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[quote][i]Originally posted by dan[/i]
[br]Research on a petty spurge product continues. Here is an abstract from Feb 2009 "PEP005 (ingenol mebutate) gel, a novel agent for the treatment of actinic keratosis: Results of a randomized, double-blind, vehicle-controlled, multicentre, phase IIa study" at http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/121644323/PDFSTART The link has pictures.

"The sap of the plant Euphorbia peplus is a traditional remedy for skin conditions, including actinic keratosis. The active constituent of the sap is ingenol mebutate (ingenol-3-angelate), formerly known as PEP005. This randomized, double-blind, vehicle-controlled, phase IIa study investigated the safety (and secondarily the efficacy) of two applications of ingenol mebutate gel in 58 patients with biopsy-confirmed actinic keratosis. Five preselected lesions were treated with ingenol mebutate gel, 0.0025%, 0.01% or 0.05%, or vehicle gel, on days 1 and 2 (Arm A) or days 1 and 8 (Arm B). There were no significant differences in tolerability or efficacy between Arms A and B. Treatment was well tolerated. The most common local skin responses were dose-related erythema, flaking/scaling/dryness and scabbing/crusting. Efficacy was greatest with ingenol mebutate gel, 0.05%, which resulted in complete clinical clearance of 71% of treated lesions (P < 0.0001 vs vehicle gel). In addition, 67% of patients treated with ingenol mebutate gel, 0.05% had clinical clearance of at least four of five treated lesions (P = 0.0185 vs vehicle gel). Ingenol mebutate gel is being developed as a short-course topical therapy for actinic keratosis and non-melanoma skin cancer.

In conclusion, ingenol mebutate gel shows the potential to be a convenient and well-tolerated new topical therapy with a short treatment course, favourable safety profile, acceptable local effects, and good efficacy and cosmetic outcomes."

It is amazing that good results were obtained with just 2 applications.
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dan	Posted - 01/08/2008 : 00:17:16 Petty Spurge is one of the most promising and so far successful home remedy treatments for skin cancer. People use a drop of sap from the plant directly on skin cancers. If you want to try this remedy, it is probably best to obtain the seeds from known good plants and grow your own plants. A source of seeds is http://www.beautanicals.com.au/Petty%20spurge.html The following is part of the original introduction from drbeckl along with a picture of petty spurge from Irene. Be very careful not to get any sap in the eye. I found this link from 2004 in drbeckl's list worthwhile reading http://plantmed.blogspot.com/ 68.24 KB http://waynesword.palomar.edu/trmar98b.htm Petty spurge (Euphorbia peplus), an erect garden weed in southern California with alternate leaves and milky sap. Originally native to Europe, this prolific seeder has become naturalized throughout North America. The urn-shaped cyathium bears crescent-shaped, 2-horned glands on its rim. There are no petaloid appendages. Many members of the euphorbia family, including the genus Euphorbia, contain a poisonous milky-latex sap. The toxin is a mixture of diterpene esters, and contact with the skin may cause inflammation and a blistering rash. An Australian company called Peplin Biotech is conducting research on the sap of E. peplus as a simple topical treatment for certain skin cancers, such as basal cell carcinomas and squamous cell carcinomas. These are the most common human cancers, particularly in people who spend a lot of time outdoors in direct sunlight. For years, people in Australia have used the milky sap of E. peplus to cure cancerous spots on their skin. The fresh sap from E. peplus is applied directly to the cancerous spot. After a few days the area develops into an enlarged, swollen sore, followed by a scab that eventually dries and falls off. According to Peplin Biotech, the sap penetrates the skin and destroys the malignant tissue. ------------------------------------- http://www.iron-clay.com/milkweed.html Milkweed Petty spurge, cancer weed, radium weed Euphorbia peplus Warning: Plants may cause contact dermatitis. Also it is paramount that euphorbia�s sap be kept away from the eyes, as there are also cases of Euphorbia sap keratouveitis, which is a sight-threatening infection. Keratouveitis is a term used when there is a combination of keratitis and uveitis. Keratitis occurs when the cornea of the eye becomes inflamed. Uveitis is an inflammation inside the eye. The sap can affect the cornea �window� of the eye, which is always covered with a protective layer of tears, but it can be affected more seriously by inflammation because it is easily scarred and can lose its clarity of vision. Euphorbia peplus has traditionally been used as a treatment for skin conditions. A recent study has shown that this herb has treatment potential for non-melanoma skin cancer. Early results are promising with basal cell carcinoma and squamous cell carcinoma. The white sap is excellent on skin cancers and insensitive external tumors. Milkweed produces a milky sap which contains chemicals that can control cell growth and death (apoptosis). An extract of petty spurge has been tested against cancer cells taken from eight patients with acute myeloid leukaemia, a particularly aggressive cancer of bone marrow stem cells. In seven of the eight samples it killed between 56% and 95% of the cancer cells at the top end of the scale. These results were even achieved using low concentrations of up to a hundredth of those that would damage healthy cells. The sap extract works by activating an enzyme called protein kinase C which triggers controlled cell suicide. -------------------------------------- http://www.rirdc.gov.au/comp02/eoi1.html Project Title: Growing Milkweed, a plant with prospective anti-cancer properties RIRDC Project No: DAQ-281A Researcher: Dr Craig Davis Organisation: Centre for Food Technology 19 Hercules Street, Hamilton 4007 Qld Phone: (07) 3406 8611 Fax: (07) 3406 8677 Email: craig.davis@dpi.qld.gov.au Objectives: * To review the traditional use (and toxicity, where reported) of Euphorbia species in medicine and survey their potential for agricultural cultivation. Background: Recent research by a small Brisbane-based, Australian-owned company Peplin Biotech Ltd in conjunction with the Queensland Institute of Medical Research has found that extracts from milkweed (Euphorbia peplus) and potentially other Euphorbia species (e.g. E.esula, E.lathyris, E.terracina and E.lagascae) have significant anti-cancer activity in mice and humans. Euphorbia is a large genus of some 2000 species with milky sap, often with poisonous or medicinal uses. It includes beneficial as well as weedy plants, of which some 45 species are found in Australia. Although milkweed and the other promising Euphorbia spp. are new to agriculture, environmental requirements for their cultivation have been established in the course of earlier research by Peplin Biotech and QIMR. The active compounds are unable to be synthesised on a commercial scale and have been patented by Peplin Biotech. An early version of the product has given >90% complete responses on skin cancers in a Phase II clinical trial. Research: A comprehensive literature review has been prepared with information being sourced from the resources of the Agricultural (DPI) and the Medical (QIMR) database systems as well as from the considerable library on the topic which is held by Peplin Biotech. This review discusses the presence of anti-cancer activity, the previous testing undertaken and the potential toxicity of the product. Outcomes: Peplin Biotech has discovered a novel class of natural compounds, purified from Euphorbia, which show great potential in the laboratory as a potent treatment for a wide range of human cancers including breast, prostate cancer and skin cancers. An early clinical trial on thick and thin non-melanoma skin cancers has confirmed that the compounds are very effective in producing long-term (possibly permanent) responses in human patients without any evident systemic toxicity when applied topically. E.peplus is one of a number of plants in the Euphorbiaceae family that has attracted attention as a home remedy for skin cancer because of its milky sap. However, a survey by Peplin Biotech of over 200 species of the Euphorbiaceae family has shown that only E.peplus has the desired attributes of anti-cancer efficacy. In addition, E.peplus is not a noxious weed, it grows rapidly, produces harvestable seed and it is potentially suitable for large-scale agricultural production. Methods have been developed by Peplin Biotech for the extraction and purification of compounds from E.peplus in the laboratory, and these are currently being scaled-up for commercial production. It is anticipated that the overall cost of producing the active ingredient in pure form will result in a commercially viable treatment, provided the cost of agricultural production can be kept low. Currently, the plant is sown and harvested by hand and tended in small plots. The limiting factor in capturing commercial value from these discoveries is therefore the availability of plant feedstock for the extraction of active compounds. Developing large-scale agricultural production can solve this problem. Implications: Anti-cancer compounds from a common but tractable weed are being developed by a Brisbane-based, Australian-owned biotechnology company (Peplin Biotech) with the assistance of the Queensland Department of Primary Industries and the Queensland Institute of Medical Research. The present project may result in a unique opportunity for primary producers to contribute to their own wellbeing through the development of an effective treatment for non-melanoma skin cancer. A new, specialist crop might also emerge. We plan to evaluate methods for complete mechanisation of E.peplus cultivation and sap production. This will include methods of seed production, since the current supply of seed will need to be greatly expanded. The requirements for large-scale agriculture will be ascertained, using the expertise and equipment pooled from the wide variety of specialists in the DPI. The next critical step is to develop methods suitable for broad-acre, mechanised production. ------------------------------------------------------------- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphorbia_peplus Euphorbia peplus From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Euphorbia peplus Scientific classification Kingdom: Plantae Division: Magnoliophyta Class: Magnoliopsida Order: Malpighiales Family: Euphorbiaceae Genus: Euphorbia Species: E. peplus Binomial name Euphorbia peplus L. Euphorbia peplus (Petty Spurge) is a species of Euphorbia, native to most of Europe, northern Africa, and western Asia, where it typically grows in cultivated arable land, gardens, and other disturbed land. It should not be confused with the similarly spelled Euphorbia peplis (Purple Spurge). It is an annual plant growing to between 5�30 cm tall (most plants growing as weeds of cultivation tend towards the smaller end), with smooth hairless stems. The leaves are oval-acute, 1-3 cm long, with a smooth margin. It has green flowers in three-rayed umbels. The glands, typical of the Euphorbiacae, are kidney-shaped with long thin horns. The milky latex sap is toxic, and used as a therapeutic agent for the removal of warts on the skin[citation needed]. Recent work also suggests that it may also be effective in treating superficial basal cell carcinomas. Outside of its native range it is very widely naturalised and often invasive, including in Australia, New Zealand, North America, and other countries in temperate and sub-tropical regions.
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mrosen	Posted - 05/17/2013 : 11:37:40 Just following up on some of my previous posts wondering if anyone out there knows of anyone succesfully using PS on Basal Cell Carcinoma that was a more infiltrative type? I noticed that svanip had success and his was multifocal superfiscial BCC,My BCC area looks different and covers a larger area maybe the size of a nickle where there is AK and now BCC.Also i believe Waverider has had success on superfiscial BCC?Its hard to get info as some have left forum and i dont know what outcomes were and weather they new if they were treating a more invasive BCC with the PS? MY BCC area is very angry right now i think all this stress and anxiety is making it worse...i need to start moving forward on some type of treatment and may start VITC paste(dmso?)at least i think it may hold BCC area till i can get some PS or get MOHS (which i am trying to avoid)The iodine looks interesting also...My BCC goes around my left nasolabial fold which is under left nostral(and against)and wraps around left side. Mrosen
redman9	Posted - 05/16/2013 : 13:44:16 Just found forum thread today. Joined up. Have used PS (found after much googling) found growing in mother's backyard by the ton, in Petaluma, CA. I live in Hollywood. I have not found it locally ...yet. I brought back a large shallow pot that I packed full of mature PS plants on my last visit to see my mom. I have used the sap on quadrants of my face. One section at a time. I heal very quickly and one week is all it takes from application to new skin. Maybe 8 days... I LOVE this plant! I have LOTS of ruined skin from living in Mexico for 8 years, young and dumb, without any sunscreen etc. I am of Irish descent. 'Nuff said. My plants have now gone to seed, turning yellow, getting gangly, etc. I will attempt to repot with some of the same soil and see if I can get them to regrow here in the LA heat/summer. Guess I'll snap some pics to help others as I am always so appreciative when others do so. Note: Some of my worst areas bubbled up a lot, and had whitish raised "spots" or odd little shaped areas. I can only guess that these areas were the most cancerous as they reacted the most and took the longest to heal, revealing much deeper damage than the surrounding skin, which seemed to be just "turniing over" like a skin peel. Anyway, I have done left cheek, left side above that, left half of forehead, and am on third day and application on right side of forehead. My plants are about sapless now so I will have to wait to continue. I plan on doing my neck, shoulders, and forearms, as sap permits. I also just bought 90 seeds from Beautanicals. Why not? Will keep posting as time and updates occur.
mrosen	Posted - 05/16/2013 : 12:49:48 anivoc, i wanted to let u know i was able to pick up lab report from DErms office today...Diagnosis: SKIN BIOPSY,Left Nasolabial Fold- Basal Cell Carsinoma...thats all it says? There is no BCC type listed. I tried calling the lab directly but they refered me back to DErm Doc. So in terms of finding out if i have one of the BCC subtypes that the PEPLIN TRIAL doc mentioned Petty Spurge wouldnt work on ...I dont know? Maybe the trials were set up and conducted to market a product for only superfiscial issues at this point? People are using the sap directly here and some for longer or more frequently with some success on what assume are not all superfiscial BCC but go deeper? Anyones thoughts on this would be appreciated...Thanks Mrosen quote: Originally posted by mrosen anivoc...Actually let me clarify, the derm doc said my biopsy report just says BCC and when i go for the MOHS they will find out what kind it is? I am going to go to derms office monday to get report anyway and call lab directly to see what info they have? anivoc..you had some MOHS done? Around nose area? Thanks for info Mark
mrosen	Posted - 05/05/2013 : 09:19:03 anivoc...Actually let me clarify, the derm doc said my biopsy report just says BCC and when i go for the MOHS they will find out what kind it is? I am going to go to derms office monday to get report anyway and call lab directly to see what info they have? anivoc..you had some MOHS done? Around nose area? Thanks for info Mark
anivoc	Posted - 05/04/2013 : 20:41:29 Mrosen...I was a referring to what the Doc told you..that he would find out what type you had before the Mohs surgery.. I wonder how many dermatologist actually know all of the varieties and sub species..
mrosen	Posted - 05/04/2013 : 15:16:06 anivoc...i should have read info u sent more closely. The part: Basal Cell Carsinoma Groups talks about the 3 subtypes which corosponds with Jilly info...Mark
mrosen	Posted - 05/04/2013 : 14:38:02 anivoc, Thanks for info...greatly appreciated...Pretty scary stuff and i used a different word then Yikes! Superficial Basal Cell Carcinoma is the only one listed where Euphorbia Peplus is indicated...? The Australian Doc(from the Peplin trial) that talked to Jilly mentioned those 3 that wouldnt work with PS and would need MOHS...does that mean all those others would(i dont think so?)...theres so many. Theres no way of Knowing what kind of BCC people who post here and were succesful(unless indicated) have? Some of the posts on this forum that looked succesful(i hope they still are) using PS werent just superfiscial,atleast according to the discriptions of the twelve? Very frustating for sure... anivoc,you mentioned you wanted to see my BCC lab report,did u mean from the biopsy i already had or if get MOHS? Mark
anivoc	Posted - 05/04/2013 : 12:38:13 Mrosen, You bring up a VERY overlooked and important topic....There are many different types of basal cell carcinoma...and that is scary.. I went into this thinking there were three types of skin cancer. This was from my dermatologist years ago...Basal, Squamous and Melanoma with Basal being the least likely to be deadly..Well recently I have been learning there are several different types of Basal Cell Carcinoma...and that probably holds true for Squamous and Melanoma.. After reading your post I did a quick google and came up with this on Basal cell ... There are 12 different types! Yikes... No wonder some of the things that work for some people don't work for others...I have never had a biopsy that detailed what type of basal cell carcinoma I had...I am curious to see what your lab report comes back with... Basal-Cell Carcinoma: Typically found on the head, neck, and torso basal-cell carcinomas, small, solid elevations of the skin that grow into eroding, crusting, and bleeding craters, are considered malignant diseases because they can cause significant destruction of affected body parts, especially nerves, disfigurement, and invade surrounding tissues, however, basal-cell carcinomas rarely metastasize or kill the patient, and fair-skinned people with a family history of the disease are at a much higher risk for contracting basal-cell carcinoma than non-fair-skinned people are. Aberrant Basal-Cell Carcinoma: Basal-cell carcinoma can be divided into twelve types including Aberrant basal-cell carcinoma, a cutaneous condition that generally occurs in the axilla, armpits, nipples, scrotum, vulva, and perineum, and may lack any apparant carcinogenic factors. Nodular Basal-Cell Carcinoma: Nodular basal-cell carcinoma, the Classic example of the disease, is a cutaneous condition that occurs most commonly on the head, neck, and other sun-exposed body areas. Cystic Basal-Cell Carcinoma: Cystic basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with dome-shaped, blue-gray cystic nodules. Pore-Like Basal-Cell Carcinoma: Pore-like basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with carcinomas that look like enlarged pores. Polypoid Basal-Cell Carcinoma: Polypoid basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with polyp-like structures generally found on the head or neck. Cicatrical Basal-Cell Carcinoma: Cicatrical basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition that is aggressive with unique histologic and clinical appearances. Fibroepithelioma of Pinkus: Fibroepithelioma of Pinkus is a cutaneous condition commonly found on the patient's lower back. Infiltrative Basal-Cell Carcinoma: Infiltrative basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with aggressive deep infiltration of tissues. Rodent Ulcer: Also known as Jacobi's Ulcer this nodular basal-cell carcinoma is characterized by central necrosis. Micronodular Basal-Cell Carcinoma: Micronodular basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with micronodular growth patterns. Pigmented Basal-Cell Carcinoma: Pigmented basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with increased melanization. Superficial Basal-Cell Carcinoma: Superficial basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with erythematous red patches that commonly occurs on the patient's trunk. Basal-Cell Carcinoma Groups: Basal-cell carcinomas can be subdivided into three main groups including Infiltrative Basal-Cell Carcinomas that contain micronodular and morphea forms of the disease, Superficial Basal-Cell Carcinomas that are the only forms of the disease effectively treated with topical chemotherapies, and Nodular Basal-Cell Carcinomas that cover all other forms of the disease and may have multiple morphologic features of many variants of basal-cell carcinomas in the same tumor. Causes: Typically presenting as a shiny, pearly nodule, a red patch, thickened skin, or scar tissue basal-cell carcinoma is caused by mutations in the cell's DNA that leads to the formation of molecular lesions known as thymine or cytosine dimers that make skin cells reproduce rapidly and continue growing, instead of being pushed to the surface of the skin by newly formed skin cells, and dying like they normally would. Other possible causes of basal-cell carcinoma include ultraviolet radiation from sunlight or tanning beds, commercial tanning lamps, exposure to various toxic substances, genetic mutations in the protein patched homolog-one gene that inhibits the hedgehog signaling pathway from providing information to embryotic cells on how to properly develop, and Smoothened-G protein-coupled receptor genes that help prevent abnormalities of physiological developments. Additionally, radiation therapy treatments and immune suppression therapies may also cause the disease. Symptoms: The symptoms of basal-cell carcinoma may include such things as sores that do not heal or repeatedly bleed, waxy white bumps with blood vessels in or around them, a reddish patch that may itch, hurt, crust, or have no discomfort at all, a smooth elevated growth with a rolled border and an indented center, a pearly, transluscent, red, pink, white, black, brown, or tan nodule, and yellow, white, or waxy scar-like areas on the skin that have poorly defined borders. Diagnosis: Basal-cell carcinomas may be diagnosed through such means as a family history of the disease, physical examinations, and skin biopsies performed under local anesthesia. Treatment Options: Based on the location of the tumor, the size of the tumor, the age of the patient, and other contributing factors, cryosurgery with a temperature probe and cryotherapy instruments that typically produce a very successful cure rate, repeated electrodesiccation and curettage that may include up to five cycles, photodynamic therapy with the application of photosensitizers such as methyl aminolevulinate, immunotherapy using euphorbia peplus, or imiquimod cream, for the treatment of superficial basal-cell carcinomas, radiation therapy to eradicate the disease through internal brachytherapy or radiotherapy, chemotherapy with such medications as 5-flurouracil, microscopically-controlled Mohs surgery that produces up to a 99 percent cure rate of primary basal-cell carcinomas, Johns surgery that may remove several layers of skin until there are no signs of the cancer left, and surgeries with frozen section histologies, or parrafin-implanted fixed tissue pathologies, are available treatment options for basal-cell carcinomas. Risk Factors: Common risk factors for basal-cell carcinomas include long term daily exposure to the sun, having had several severe sunburns early in life, family members with a history of the disease, having many moles on the patient's body, overexposure to x-rays or radiation, red or blonde hair, freckled skin, light-colored skin, and gray, green, or blue eyes. Prognosis: The progosis for basal-cell carcinoma typically depends on how early the disease was diagnosed, and patients with the ailment should receive regularly scheduled check-ups, and perform monthly self-examinations, to ensure the cancer has not returned. Sources: This Article was compiled from several websites that provide much more information about basal-cell carcinoma including: www.cancercenter.com/basal-cell-carcinoma/basal-cell-carcinoma-symptoms.cfm" target="_blank">http://.www.cancercenter.com/basal-cell-carcinoma/basal-cell-carcinoma-symptoms.cfm http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/basal-cell-carcinoma/DS00925/DSECTION=causes http://www.healthscout.com/ency/1/199/main.html http://www.basalcellmohs.com/basal_cell_3.html http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medicineplus/article/000824.htm
mrosen	Posted - 05/04/2013 : 11:29:02 Hi,thanks for response!My question could have been stated diferrently!! As i tried something 2 years ago that didnt work its understandable that i am getting more pressure (wife,family)on the MOHS...Interesting post by JILLY on 2/9/12 about info she got from Australian Doc who was part of Peplin trials... that there are 3 types of Carcinomas that require MOHS where nothing will work. She thinks he said that the BCC subtypes that need to be operated on are Morpheic/Infiltrating and Micronodular,Perineural Invasion? After reading this i called derm bk to get more specific analysis of my BCC biopsy report and they said it just says BCC? He said they will find out and tell me when i have the MOHS? Pretty frustating... Mark quote: Originally posted by Thomas Haugen Mark, not me, but think about it. Maybe your doc has a better method to biopsy, but several of mine have done biopsies, mostly by surgically removing tissue (is that a duh?) Therefore, if the petty spurge works and your skin heals up with only a red area and maybe a minor depression where the cancer cells died, why would you let a doctor cut up that area to see if anything remains? I got rid of several lesions with spurge and seven months later the skin is like it never happened, a doc would have a hard time telling that anything was there. So a doc would have no indications to warrant a biopsy.
mrosen	Posted - 05/04/2013 : 11:00:42 dfi...if your still out can u update us your treatment areas as more time has past...Thanks Mark quote: Originally posted by dfi News flash!!! LEO Pharma which acquired Peplin Biotech several months ago has just obtained FDA approval to market a new product called Picato. The active ingredient in this product is Ingenol Mebutate which is the same ingredient found in the sap of the petty spurge weed. The product should be out by late March. Unfortunately, they only got approval of the product as a quick and effective treatment for actinic keratosis and not for superficial basal cell or squamous cell skin cancers for which we all know petty spurge successfully treats as well. Picato comes in two strengths 0.015% Ingenol Mebutate for facial application and 0.05% for other body areas. Time will tell to see if any brave dermatologists will write prescriptions for the higher strength Picato and tell their patients to try it on their facial basal or squamous cell cancers. At the very least the FDA approval is a start and it validates the effectiveness that most people in this forum (including myself) have experienced using the sap from the Petty Spurge weed. Here is the link to the announcement: http://www.biospace.com/news_story.aspx?StoryID=247271&full=1 Thanks to this forum and especially the entries by SoFl and Waverider for giving me the courage and knowledge to try the sap from the Petty Spurge weed which I serendipitously had been removing from my back yard the day before I discovered the forum. Fortunately, I had not removed all of it and am now treating it like the gold that it is. Starting in March of 2011, I successfully treated both a diagnosed basal cell carcinoma on my forehead and a squamous cell carcinoma on my scalp both of which my doctor wanted to remove via MOHS surgery. Had I had the MOHS surgery on my forehead, it would have easily left a scar the size of a US quarter. Within 4 months of using the petty spurge sap (1 application daily for 3 days on my forehead and 1 application daily for 5 days on my scalp), you could not tell there was ever any cancer. The skin erupted pretty violently in both locations, but now looks and feels completely normal.
Thomas Haugen	Posted - 05/03/2013 : 21:08:22 Mark, not me, but think about it. Maybe your doc has a better method to biopsy, but several of mine have done biopsies, mostly by surgically removing tissue (is that a duh?) Therefore, if the petty spurge works and your skin heals up with only a red area and maybe a minor depression where the cancer cells died, why would you let a doctor cut up that area to see if anything remains? I got rid of several lesions with spurge and seven months later the skin is like it never happened, a doc would have a hard time telling that anything was there. So a doc would have no indications to warrant a biopsy.
mrosen	Posted - 05/03/2013 : 12:02:16 Does anyone know of anyone who was biopsied and diagnosed with BCC then treated with Petty Spurge (PS)and biopsied to check results?
willwill	Posted - 05/03/2013 : 03:03:34 Willwill, please let us know your results with transplanting. I have a theory that cultivated (non-wild) plants don't like to be transplanted so that may be the reason they often languish at about 2" to 4" tall for many months. I'm starting my seeds in 10" tall pots so they won't need to be transplanted or disturbed. Hmmm, hadn't heard that before. That would be a shame, I have hundreds of them. Will post transplanting results.
Thomas Haugen	Posted - 05/02/2013 : 23:17:02 Willwill, please let us know your results with transplanting. I have a theory that cultivated (non-wild) plants don't like to be transplanted so that may be the reason they often languish at about 2" to 4" tall for many months. I'm starting my seeds in 10" tall pots so they won't need to be transplanted or disturbed. Tom
mrosen	Posted - 05/02/2013 : 19:48:07 Hey, WillWill i sent some info and my contact info thru your email address...Mark quote: Originally posted by willwill I have petty spurge plants and seedlings. I wintered them over in a terrarium and they have reseeded themselves like crazy. As soon as the weather warms a bit I will be giving them their own raised bed garden. I live about 20 miles north of NYC. Please contact me if you need some, I am happy to share, free of charge. (I am fond of all things Irish, Guinness, Jamesons, etc, hint hint).
willwill	Posted - 05/02/2013 : 17:36:03 I have petty spurge plants and seedlings. I wintered them over in a terrarium and they have reseeded themselves like crazy. As soon as the weather warms a bit I will be giving them their own raised bed garden. I live about 20 miles north of NYC. Please contact me if you need some, I am happy to share, free of charge. (I am fond of all things Irish, Guinness, Jamesons, etc, hint hint).
mrosen	Posted - 05/02/2013 : 15:50:10 Did u use any plants u found to treat(BCCorSCC,Keratosis)and were u succesful.. I do need to do some more looking on this site to see if there is anyone relativily close that might have many plants? Thanks for your thoughts...Mark quote: Originally posted by TIsmalltown Is there no one in Maryland who can connect with you mrosen? I looked all over for petty spurge and literally found it growing in my backyard a few years ago ... I am in upstate NY. But I think it is too early for it to grow here. I am guessing another month or so, it's a very tender plant.
TIsmalltown	Posted - 05/02/2013 : 15:35:50 Is there no one in Maryland who can connect with you mrosen? I looked all over for petty spurge and literally found it growing in my backyard a few years ago ... I am in upstate NY. But I think it is too early for it to grow here. I am guessing another month or so, it's a very tender plant.
mrosen	Posted - 05/02/2013 : 15:30:24 Just got call from Derm and the biopsy is BCC...Guess i already new that but am still very upset. Its kind of ironic he called while i was out driving around everywhere looking for Petty Spurge. He said he is sending my file over to the MOHS clinic he recommended and wants me to call his office bk to confirm when my app. is. When he did the biopsy He told me if it came bk BCC i needed to get MOHS...Little history here: He biopsied this spot 2yrs ago which indicated Hypertrophic Actinic Keratosis(i was told a very deep keratosis/now i think there must have been BCC there also)and wanted to try MOHS or topical chemo cremes(i was afraid of the possible systemic issues)..I told him i was trying Curaderm(he wasnt interested).Did Curaderm for several weeks 8-12..This is a really hard place to treat(right up against my nose/left side around nostrel) with creme/tape...Thought i had cleared the area(obviously not). Anyway, can talk about BEC5 later...Sorry i am rambling here...guess i am venting or just upset...Pretty sure this Derm wont see me anymore if i dont follow his recommendations.In the recent past i lost both partents(not cancer related).But in the last few years 2 sisters and one brother got cancer(one terminal)none were skin cancers...I guess this is why i am getting extra pressure from family...I need to find a faster way to get PS?
mrosen	Posted - 05/02/2013 : 14:24:12 xxxxxx
mrosen	Posted - 05/02/2013 : 07:21:47 Thanks for your response Tom and thank u for all the great info u have shared!! I went to the local big plant garden shop (with pics and info)to see if anyone was familiar with PS,and no luck...also spent some time calling around here.Not sure i will find any around here but will look today...Under some pressure from family to move forward (MOHS)as this has been going on for awhile... BE BACK LATER have to go now....THANKS again for your input....Mark quote: Originally posted by Thomas Haugen Mark, better than growing to look for weeds that will be growing in your neighborhood, wet shady areas more likely. I can send you some seeds from USA but it takes months for them to germinate and grow, maybe September before you can pick off them. Tom
Thomas Haugen	Posted - 05/01/2013 : 23:43:23 Mark, better than growing to look for weeds that will be growing in your neighborhood, wet shady areas more likely. I can send you some seeds from USA but it takes months for them to germinate and grow, maybe September before you can pick off them. Tom
mrosen	Posted - 05/01/2013 : 22:55:27 Hi, Susan ...I am a new member and am grateful for all the info from so many people... I am dealing with Hypertrophic actinic keratosis and what looks like BCC (according to the derm doc)right next to my nose left side. Doc wants Mohs...not being a big surgery fan. And i dont see how they could find any borders without chopping into my nose..After reading postings on PS i ordered seeds but am concerened about the time frame to grow(no green thumb)plus i live in maryland which is headed for warm humid weather. It sounds like u got your seeds and things went smoothly. Did u get seeds from australia? Also,what part of the country do u live in(climate)did u grow indoors? Hows treatment going now? Thanks for any input its appreciated ...Mark
mrosen	Posted - 05/01/2013 : 22:22:01 quote: Originally posted by susanc I would like to say that I got some seeds, grew the seeds into plants, and I made my first application to a biopsied BCC that was returning after surgery. _____________________ cancer tissues
mrosen	Posted - 05/01/2013 : 22:19:33 quote: Originally posted by susanc I would like to say that I got some seeds, grew the seeds into plants, and I made my first application to a biopsied BCC that was returning after surgery. _____________________ cancer tissues
Brigid	Posted - 04/26/2013 : 06:21:12 I also treated a spot on my leg. In the morning applied the sap by cutting a leaf right at the tiny stem that joins it to a small branch. I put that on the tip of a metal nail file and applied it to the leg. Then because trousers would have rubbed away and absorbed the sap that I want to stay on, I covered it with a bit of gauze and tape until the evening, then applied sap again and covered it again for the night. After about a week of this, the spot was gone and never came back. It took months for the pink skin to become the same color as the rest of my leg. Bt it did. You can re-apply the sap again, but I like to wait til the skin is healed to re-apply. quote: Originally posted by kate HI. HAVING READ THE FORUM i DECIDED TO HAVE A GO TREATING A SMALL PATCH OF SUPERFICIAL BCC ON MY LOWER LEG. I TREATED IT WITH SAP FOR 3 DAYS. LEAVING IT UNCOVERED (BUT WAS WEARING TROUSERS). THE AREA BECAME RED BUT WAS NOT NOTICEABLY PAINFUL. IT DID NOT BLISTER OR BLEED OR SEEM TO REACT VERY STRONGLY. A VERY LIGHT SCAB THEN FORMED OVER THE AREA. 3 WEEKS LATER THE SCAB HAS COME AWAY BY THE LOOK OF IT, EXPOSING PINK SKIN UNDERNEATH THAT LOOKS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS THE SPOT BEFORE APPLYING THE SAP. ANY SUGGESTIONS? SHOULD I WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS? DO PEOPLE RE APPLY SAP TO THE SAME SPOT TWICE IF IT DOESNT WORK FIRST TIME? TRY A PLANT FROM ANOTHER AREA? OR GO TELL DOC THE STORY AND SEE WHAT THEY OFFER (I TURNED DOWN THE CHEMO BREAM OFFERED HAVING READ HORROR STORIES ON THE INTERNET ABOUT IT) I LIVE IN THE UK BUT INFACT USED SAP FROM A PLANT IN SPAIN WHILE ON A TRIP THERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ANY ADVICE / SUGGESTIONS!
kate	Posted - 04/22/2013 : 06:53:48 HI. HAVING READ THE FORUM i DECIDED TO HAVE A GO TREATING A SMALL PATCH OF SUPERFICIAL BCC ON MY LOWER LEG. I TREATED IT WITH SAP FOR 3 DAYS. LEAVING IT UNCOVERED (BUT WAS WEARING TROUSERS). THE AREA BECAME RED BUT WAS NOT NOTICEABLY PAINFUL. IT DID NOT BLISTER OR BLEED OR SEEM TO REACT VERY STRONGLY. A VERY LIGHT SCAB THEN FORMED OVER THE AREA. 3 WEEKS LATER THE SCAB HAS COME AWAY BY THE LOOK OF IT, EXPOSING PINK SKIN UNDERNEATH THAT LOOKS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS THE SPOT BEFORE APPLYING THE SAP. ANY SUGGESTIONS? SHOULD I WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS? DO PEOPLE RE APPLY SAP TO THE SAME SPOT TWICE IF IT DOESNT WORK FIRST TIME? TRY A PLANT FROM ANOTHER AREA? OR GO TELL DOC THE STORY AND SEE WHAT THEY OFFER (I TURNED DOWN THE CHEMO BREAM OFFERED HAVING READ HORROR STORIES ON THE INTERNET ABOUT IT) I LIVE IN THE UK BUT INFACT USED SAP FROM A PLANT IN SPAIN WHILE ON A TRIP THERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ANY ADVICE / SUGGESTIONS!
ruby	Posted - 03/22/2013 : 11:57:13 As far as I understand, those white dots are the bcc itself. Not filled pores. The bcc has roots, so you are just seeing the visible top part. The oetty spurge will aim to follow the bcc all the way down. I didn't get all of mine on the first round of treatment, But its OK to wait a while and try again (meaning if you see something growing back). Or as this forum has educated me, you can apply orange oil and the skin will light up showing the white areas where there is bcc present. I really wouldn't pick at anything there.
LindsayLondon	Posted - 03/20/2013 : 03:57:34 Thanks for the quick reply Ruby. Where was your bcc? How long did it take fr the white dots to disappear? I just wondered if they might be pores that get filled with pjs because of the healing process. But you think it's the bcc itself? Should I pick them out, do you think?
ruby	Posted - 03/19/2013 : 16:34:25 My diagnosed basal cell looked like white dots when I took the scab off. So its one good guess that you are seeing the BCC. When I use orange oil on BCC, it does sting alot and gets very red. I would let it alone for some days before adding another treatment to give it time to do some work. Also, back a few years, I had a spot on my face biopsied and confirmed as BCC. It started to grow back after the biopsy and got raised and pearl- like, so I hit it with Petty Spurge which made it go away- now going on 2.5 years. I mentioned to another dermatologist that I had some BCC but did a natural treatment. He pressed me on what I did and I finally told him about the Petty Spurge. He insisted that it was the biopsy that got rid of it. I just didn't bother to argue.
LindsayLondon	Posted - 03/19/2013 : 08:31:02 Hello. Writing to update on my progress. My petty spurge plants are very small at the moment. I got a bit impatient so crushed up a vt C tablet and applied to my chin where the bcc is. The bcc is superficial, flaky and never-healing and about 9mm by 2mm. Anyway, the next day it had turned black, was about 20% larger than before, weeping liquid that was a bit black/red, my chin had swollen up, and my left 'jowl' had swollen too. The swelling had even pushed my lower lip up on one side, so that i looked a bit fed up (which was pretty accurate.) The gland under my chin was sore as well. I got most of the black off my chin, which wasn't easy because it was flush with my face, it wasn't sticking out like a scab. I put vt C on again and it stung like mad and turned black again. So then I decided to use my tiny petty spurge plants, as the stinging and ever-growing black area was getting alarming and I thought petty spurge might sting less. The area was now about as big as a ten pence piece (about 2cm diameter) and the inflammation was very circular, although the black area was more raggedy shaped amd ovoid. I got off as much of the black as possible (which wasn't at all like a scab, as what I pulled off felt like slightly harder skin, sort of like toughened elastic, so I believe it was necrotic flesh), and I applied a tiny amount of petty spurge sap. Literally the size of about four pin-heads of sap. I then put the leaves on the wound and a bandage over the top. At this point, I was still swollen, and the area was tender and weeping. So, the petty spurge certainly didn't hurt, not like the vit C. When I took the bandage off the next day, the top half of the circle had turned white and was very wet looking. The lower area was scabbed, like a normal wound. i pulled off the scab and the white area was attached, so that came with it. This was a bit sore, amd a couple of small areas bled slightly. the flesh underneath is pink raw with loads of little white heads visible. Absolutely loads of them, covering almost the whole of the 10 pence piece sized area. Does anyone know what these are? The raw area has a couple of slight dents where it looks like the vit C / sap has eaten away, but at the moment it's not very deep. I'm surprised, as my bcc is over ten years old. I applied more tiny amounts of sap and covered with a bandaid. I'm halfway through day 4 of treatment (2 days of vit C, two days of sap), so I wonder if it'll go deeper. Can anyone give me their opinion on the white dots, and why there are so many of them? Also any advice on what I can expect next? Thanks everyone, this forum has been a godsend.
susanc	Posted - 03/12/2013 : 00:55:21 I would like to say that I got some seeds, grew the seeds into plants, and I made my first application to a biopsied BCC that was returning after surgery. _____________________ cancer tissues
Brigid	Posted - 03/02/2013 : 07:32:06 I've treated 3 X with PS and have felt a little under the weather each time. Being weak from surgery and then using the PS might have taxed your system--you would have had fewer reserves to throw off the bcc. And I think the type that's called invasive BCC can come back. For that reason, I'm a believer in biopsies, although it may (or may not) be true that biopsies spread the cancer. I feel sqeamish about pulling scabs off too. Wonder if there's a homeopathic remedy or herb for sqeamishness. Probably! (But many herbs take 6 weeks to work.) Also if you have burning pain from the PS, homeopathic belladonna from a health store helps. Maybe, less pain, less sqeamishness? In my experience so far (diagnosed about 6 years ago) building up immunity has helped to keep the cancer in check. And I apply topical coconut and neem oil when it flares up. quote: Originally posted by Brigid quote: Originally posted by BBirdz I haven't posted in a while- been taking a break after unsuccessfully treating with petty spurge two times. I now have a window to try again with either PS (or Vit. C ) and wondered if I could get some feedback from those with experience with PS. I started with a small raised bump, just above and touching the edge of my lip. It bled a couple times when washing my face so I was pretty sure it was basel cell though never biopsied. I originally treated it a year ago this past August with PS for 3 days. It seemed to go textbook, excavating a small hole which I then let heal, eventually leaving a flat pink, then white scar that was bigger than the original lesion. However within months it began to grow a raised surface again. So I treated again this past February. This time I was much more aggressive and went a full 10 days, one or two applications a day. Again, I left the area covered with a bandaid during treatment so it never developed a scab. There was a huge reaction like last time but covering an even bigger area into my lip, with more pus and draining. However, it never seemed to go very deep. After 10 days I let the spot heal over and scab. But when the scab fell off, unlike last time, the bump was still there, unchanged. Since then it is slowly growing but is no larger than the first time I treated-about 3mm. I saw my dermatologist in July and he thinks it's a basel cell and wants to biopsy it in December if it gets larger. (I was glad but surprised as all my other derms have been extremely aggressive and would have done it right then.) So my questions are: Has anyone else had PS not work in this way? I was having other health issues and recovering from surgery the last time which may have affected my immune system. Could this have been the problem? Should I have left the wound uncovered during treatment? (like the instructions are with Picata?) I'm squeemish about removing scabs during treatment so that's why I went the other route. Any other ideas or input welcome. I don't have a lot of time to try both PS and Vit. C and I don't know if trying the PS again makes sense. I have also considered bloodroot but I'm scared about trying that for the first time on my face, so close to the lip. I'm worried that this may have spread deeper or into my lip after all this time and I've not found much info about lip tissue being treated with either PS or black salve. THANKS for any insights anyone can offer!!!
Brigid	Posted - 03/02/2013 : 07:08:45 quote: Originally posted by BBirdz I haven't posted in a while- been taking a break after unsuccessfully treating with petty spurge two times. I now have a window to try again with either PS (or Vit. C ) and wondered if I could get some feedback from those with experience with PS. I started with a small raised bump, just above and touching the edge of my lip. It bled a couple times when washing my face so I was pretty sure it was basel cell though never biopsied. I originally treated it a year ago this past August with PS for 3 days. It seemed to go textbook, excavating a small hole which I then let heal, eventually leaving a flat pink, then white scar that was bigger than the original lesion. However within months it began to grow a raised surface again. So I treated again this past February. This time I was much more aggressive and went a full 10 days, one or two applications a day. Again, I left the area covered with a bandaid during treatment so it never developed a scab. There was a huge reaction like last time but covering an even bigger area into my lip, with more pus and draining. However, it never seemed to go very deep. After 10 days I let the spot heal over and scab. But when the scab fell off, unlike last time, the bump was still there, unchanged. Since then it is slowly growing but is no larger than the first time I treated-about 3mm. I saw my dermatologist in July and he thinks it's a basel cell and wants to biopsy it in December if it gets larger. (I was glad but surprised as all my other derms have been extremely aggressive and would have done it right then.) So my questions are: Has anyone else had PS not work in this way? I was having other health issues and recovering from surgery the last time which may have affected my immune system. Could this have been the problem? Should I have left the wound uncovered during treatment? (like the instructions are with Picata?) I'm squeemish about removing scabs during treatment so that's why I went the other route. Any other ideas or input welcome. I don't have a lot of time to try both PS and Vit. C and I don't know if trying the PS again makes sense. I have also considered bloodroot but I'm scared about trying that for the first time on my face, so close to the lip. I'm worried that this may have spread deeper or into my lip after all this time and I've not found much info about lip tissue being treated with either PS or black salve. THANKS for any insights anyone can offer!!!
llfrog	Posted - 03/01/2013 : 21:36:25 Hello Mike, I know it has been a long time since you posted the offer for the seeds. If you still have some please let me know. I would like to get some from you. I live in East Tenn. So you can let me know what you have to have for them. Thanks! Bobby My e-mail is b-mp@juno.com (Thanks Again) quote: Originally posted by mikE1 Hi All: Just to update eveyone on my Petty Surge results, my nose and forehead are just about cleared up. If anyone needs seeds, let me know. Also, you who have grown plants to maturity will notice the tiny flowers and seed pods that form. If you will put a large sheet of white cloth or paper under your pot, you can catch the tiny seeds which 'explode' from the pods at muturity. They are about 1/16 to 3/16 inch long, greyish and oblong - like a tiny watermelon. I have to use tweezers to pick them up. They have now seeded the floor of my greenhouse and plants are coming up everywhere. (It turns out this plant is not only a blessing for skin cancer - it's also a pest!)
LindsayLondon	Posted - 02/28/2013 : 07:49:56 By the way, I'm based in London, so if there are any UK sufferers who need help getting seeds, I should be able to help soon. I get my plant on Friday from my gardener friend, and assuming my non-green fingers don't kill it too quickly, I' will see what I can do with regards to harvesting seeds. This forum has certainly reassured me a lot, and am happy to help others.
LindsayLondon	Posted - 02/28/2013 : 07:00:42 Hello again. So I'm scheduled for a biopsy on my chin for suspected bcc on the 5th. I'm so sure that it's bcc that I'm almost reluctant to go, as I'm collecting a petty spurge off a gardener friend on Friday and I'm tempted to just start treating it. But I imagine this is the right thing to do, to get absolute confirmation from the doctors first? Any opinions from those who have had biopsies? Has anyone just started treating without a biopsy? Many thanks, Lindsay
LindsayLondon	Posted - 02/25/2013 : 08:24:09 Hello, I'm so encouraged to read about petty splurge. I've got a suspected bcc that's been there for over ten years, so surgery would be hideous. Consequently I want to try this first. However, I'm in London and I can't find anyone in the Uk who sells the plant or the seeds. I know it's a common weed but I don't trust myself to just go out and identify it (plus I live in London, limited green spaces.) Can someone help me please? I'd be so grateful. Is there anyone in the Uk who could mail me some seeds? I'd pay for the postage and be so so grateful!
rhall85286	Posted - 02/20/2013 : 22:19:06 I would like to know who in the Phoenix area is growing the Petty Spurge plant. I contacted the AZ extension service at the UofA but they have little or no experience with this weed. Is there a source of this plant in Arizona?
rhall85286	Posted - 02/20/2013 : 22:09:54 quote: Originally posted by janagain I wanted to give my take on growing Petty Spurge, as some have indicated trouble getting it to germinate/grow. I initially got some seeds from a very nice person on this site and couldn't get them to germinate at all. So I bought them from the Aussie website. I live in the Phoenix area where it is very hot in the summer. I have a north facing patio where I started the seeds last summer when it was VERY hot--over 110 degrees for weeks. The seeds came up, I watered them daily and with some benign neglect they prospered. I haven't had a bcc to use them on, but offered to try to get rid of a wart on the toe of a friend which was the size of a small pea! He had this growth for years. After three or four applications he went for a pedicure and when it was rubbed with a file, the wart completely fell off. Gone! The plants continue to thrive with little care, even though the temperatures are now in the 30s and my patio is getting no direct sunlight at all. So, the PS seems to grow with little effort in hot, cold, sunny, shady climate. The one thing I do is make sure the soil never completely dries out, and I amended the soil with the granule things that hold water. After six months, I have yet to see any flowers or seeds and am wondering why not....? I do not have a green thumb yet am living proof the PS can be grown with little effort.
Mr Pig	Posted - 11/12/2012 : 16:56:39 By the way It grows like a weed here, very easy to find.
Mr Pig	Posted - 11/12/2012 : 16:54:21 HI there, I just wanted to tell you my story, I have a BCC that I have had on my nose for many years approx 15 had it looked at by several DRs, as it kept scabbing up not that you could ever see it much as it was kind of clear and flaky and would leave a very small red pin dot when it came off, But the Drs never told me it was a BCC It was my reasearch. Anyway I tried the PS and straight away it reddend up like sunburn I applied it x2 a day for 3 - 4 days and it scabbed up and eventually came off, ( hated going to work like that lol) and hey it went for the first time in many years went for about two months and now its come back so I am now trying round two. I welcome your comments. :)
Jilly	Posted - 11/08/2012 : 13:37:58 Hi there, I have seeds if you need them. Cheers, Jilly quote: Originally posted by sunni quote: Originally posted by Thomas Haugen I also hope to soon have seeds to send to those who need them. Tom Hi Tom, How can I contact you about the seeds? Thanks
sunni	Posted - 11/08/2012 : 06:09:16 quote: Originally posted by Thomas Haugen I also hope to soon have seeds to send to those who need them. Tom Hi Tom, How can I contact you about the seeds? Thanks
Jilly	Posted - 11/05/2012 : 23:16:13 Hi there, What I did was apply once a day in the morning and leave on until the night. I did NOT sleep with it on for fear it may rub off in my eyes. After the 4th day the immuno response kicked in. I of course thought I had a massive infection. The pain was an intense throbbing which I took as my signal to stop applying. It was just too painful. I was also pretty freaked out that I thought it might be infected so I applied antibiotic ointment and burn cream (for 2nd degree burns silverdeen or something like that) at night. It cleared up pretty quick. I then did reapplications every six weeks for a total of 3 or 4 more times following the same protocol. On the 4th day of applying the PS the tumor did fall off leaving a oozing large area which I thought to be infected though it wasnt. Hope that helps. quote: Originally posted by dolfan I just used PS for the first time and had the same reaction as BBirdz. The bump was like a pimple and stung when I put orange oil on it, so I assumed that it was a new BC. In the middle of the night, the pain and pus that was coming out woke me up. The next day the pus continued and now I'm afraid to put any more on it. I don't know what to do now, the spot has doubled in size and has a small blister it the middle of it. I need advice also
Thomas Haugen	Posted - 11/05/2012 : 21:02:04 I recently used PS for the first time with a similar reaction. I do not have to appear in public so appearance was not a concern. Even so, it was difficult to clean off the wounds every day and re-apply the PS once a day. I did so for 3 days and got good results. My face was a mess with the wounds, redness and swelling but it killed all but my oldest BCs, some being 20 years old. I believe I might have gotten complete results if I had re-applied twice a day to the open wounds as others have recommended. I plan to do another course of PS twice a day for 3 days on the remaining BCs. Tom
dolfan	Posted - 11/05/2012 : 18:19:11 I just used PS for the first time and had the same reaction as BBirdz. The bump was like a pimple and stung when I put orange oil on it, so I assumed that it was a new BC. In the middle of the night, the pain and pus that was coming out woke me up. The next day the pus continued and now I'm afraid to put any more on it. I don't know what to do now, the spot has doubled in size and has a small blister it the middle of it. I need advice also
BBirdz	Posted - 10/11/2012 : 15:15:03 I haven't posted in a while- been taking a break after unsuccessfully treating with petty spurge two times. I now have a window to try again with either PS (or Vit. C ) and wondered if I could get some feedback from those with experience with PS. I started with a small raised bump, just above and touching the edge of my lip. It bled a couple times when washing my face so I was pretty sure it was basel cell though never biopsied. I originally treated it a year ago this past August with PS for 3 days. It seemed to go textbook, excavating a small hole which I then let heal, eventually leaving a flat pink, then white scar that was bigger than the original lesion. However within months it began to grow a raised surface again. So I treated again this past February. This time I was much more aggressive and went a full 10 days, one or two applications a day. Again, I left the area covered with a bandaid during treatment so it never developed a scab. There was a huge reaction like last time but covering an even bigger area into my lip, with more pus and draining. However, it never seemed to go very deep. After 10 days I let the spot heal over and scab. But when the scab fell off, unlike last time, the bump was still there, unchanged. Since then it is slowly growing but is no larger than the first time I treated-about 3mm. I saw my dermatologist in July and he thinks it's a basel cell and wants to biopsy it in December if it gets larger. (I was glad but surprised as all my other derms have been extremely aggressive and would have done it right then.) So my questions are: Has anyone else had PS not work in this way? I was having other health issues and recovering from surgery the last time which may have affected my immune system. Could this have been the problem? Should I have left the wound uncovered during treatment? (like the instructions are with Picata?) I'm squeemish about removing scabs during treatment so that's why I went the other route. Any other ideas or input welcome. I don't have a lot of time to try both PS and Vit. C and I don't know if trying the PS again makes sense. I have also considered bloodroot but I'm scared about trying that for the first time on my face, so close to the lip. I'm worried that this may have spread deeper or into my lip after all this time and I've not found much info about lip tissue being treated with either PS or black salve. THANKS for any insights anyone can offer!!!
bright1	Posted - 10/05/2012 : 10:33:39 Hi Anivoc, sorry I didn't take any pictures. I wish I had now but at the time I was too scared to even look in the mirror much less commit what I saw to permanent record. It looked horrific but fortunately I was treating in the summer and a pair of oversized sunglasses covered it nicely.
anivoc	Posted - 10/05/2012 : 09:30:53 Bright1...what an awesome report back.. Don't know if you did but Pictures are SOOOOO helpful in giving others coming here the proof and thus the courage to try something other than what their doctors will tell them to do..I am noticing more derms are coming to be more open to other methods but there are still many that will actually use scare tactics (Very possibly in sincere concern that you would be making a mistake using these alternative) to get you not to try these other ways to treat. I know it's weird putting pictures of an ugly wound on your face on the internet..If it wasn't for the brave people before me, I probably would have never tried the bloodroot paste that I used. Because of that I took pictures and posted mine and have been thanked hundreds of times since for doing so. If you did take pictures post them..
Thomas Haugen	Posted - 10/05/2012 : 09:10:32 Anivoc, I too found this weed growing without care and just a little water now and then, plus part sun and afternoon shade. In Spokane, WA. The most mature plants are turning yellow and finally have started throwing seeds. Since there is plenty I am offering still green plants to registered users of this site, paying it forward. I'm not certain about collecting seeds, will know soon if my seed collecting method is working. I don't quite understand why people have to order seeds from Australia when the seeds are readily available for collecting here in The US. An anonymous person in Florida sent me seeds but I had the usual problems germinating and growing up the seedlings. Finally got one mature plant.
anivoc	Posted - 10/05/2012 : 08:41:31 Tom I am finding this stuff growing all over the San Gabriel Valley and saw some down in Encinitas last week. I had several nice ones growing in a patch behind my garage but too direct exposure to sun so summer killed them.. Yesterday I was across the street talking to my neighbor and there several growing in his front yard planter. Point being for us here in Cali the gettin is good all over the place. To date only the sap has been used as a treatment..I am curious/ suspect there may be other ways to get the active ingredient out of the plant.. certainly if the plant dies the active ingredient is still in the plant...( maybe the ingredient becomes ineffective by I doubt it) just my thoughts on it. I have a dozen or so dried up plants in the back yard to experiment with... At this time I am trying a few other protocols ( vitamin c) ( the caffeine and red clover mix that a poster spoke of having remakable results with)...for me...so far.. not near the good results of petty spurge or blood root paste
bright1	Posted - 10/05/2012 : 03:23:02 Hi, I wanted to come back here a year after successful treatment of a bcc on my face to say how grateful I am to the many posters on this thread. Your shared experiences gave me such great courage at a time when I felt terribly alone and scared. I have as yet had no re-occurrence of the bcc and my dermatologist was pretty confident that it had been completely excised by the petty spurge applications. I now have a permanent (slight and irregular shaped)depression in my skin leading away from the original site of the nodule right across my cheek just under my cheek bone about three inches long. I believe this was the extent of the cancer as it was the area that 'lit up' a bright beetroot red with the original application. I am so happy to have found petty spurge which is now allowed to grow wantonly in my garden and which I address lovingly every time I see a new seedling appear. Thanks again to everyone who responded to my original mail and to all who have experimented with PS and added their success stories for others to benefit. God bless.
Thomas Haugen	Posted - 10/04/2012 : 23:52:19 OK, is anyone desperate enough to try the technique of mashing the leaves in order to get the sap? (Read old posts in this thread for the technique.) I have small (6" high) plants with developed seeds in Spokane, WA and will overnight mail the newly pulled plant to you via USPS fast mail (you choose and pay the cost.) Sap from these plants works right after they're pulled, I know. I dunno if sap exudes freely from the plant after it has been uprooted, soil washed off the roots and put in a plastic bag to travel. You do the research on it and assume all the risks. I'm the Good Samaritan, don't blame me if this doesn't work. I have had an eBay feedback rating of 100% since 1998 and will accept Paypal or USPS money order for the postage plus nominal packing/handling. In exchange you get a formerly live plant with developed seeds and you agree to share your experience with this forum. At the worst you should be able to plant the seeds and grow your own. I also hope to soon have seeds to send to those who need them. Tom
willwill	Posted - 10/04/2012 : 17:32:54 I have been following this thread for quite some time and wanted to share my experience, perhaps it can be of some help to someone. I am 60 years old and have pretty badly sun damaged skin. I have had some very severe sunburns. I've been having bcc's removed since I was 30, probably 15-20. I also have large numbers of actenic keratoses on my face, especially on my forehead & nose. Years ago I went through treatment with Efudex. It did a pretty good job, especially on my forehead, but it was torture. After a while I couldn't take it anymore. The last time I was diagnosed with bcc,about ten years ago, the doctors insisted I undergo MOHS surgery. They cut off a good sized chunk of my nose. When they took off the bandages, I almost died. It was completely disfiguring. Fortunately I still had insurance which covered reconstructive surgery, but it still left a pretty ugly scar. For the past few years the actenic keratosis has been appearing again, most notably on my nose. At the site of the MOHS, there was a spot that wouldn't heal, it would just bleed spontaneously. I didn't get it diagnosed, but I've had enough experience to know that it was probably a bcc. I no longer have insurance and cannot afford to go to the doctor, much less surgery. After hearing about a new "wonder" drug for sun damaged skin, I investigated and wound up here. I was unable to obtain any plants, so I got the seeds from Beautnicals. I got one of those seed starter kits from Home Depot. All the seeds I planted germinated, but they are very delicate and only three survived. It took all summer to get them to a usable size. They now seem to have reseeded themselves and there are quite a few seedlings growing in the bottom of the pots. When you cut off the leaf from the stem, there is the tiniest little bead of sap. I collected it, as another contributor suggested, with the point of an artist's brush and applied it to the spots. Over the course of the next few days the treated areas blistered up, kind of like sunburn. The site of the previous MOHS reacted the most violently. It wasn't really painful, just kind of irritated. A few days after, everything scabbed over. Today, after about three weeks, the last of the scabs came off. It's all gone. At the site of the suspected bcc, there is a bit of a crater, but it seems as if it will fill in. Needless to say, I'm elated. When I think about how hard I fought against having the MOHS (and how hard the doctors fought FOR it), it makes me sort of angry. Out of all the cancers I've had removed, this is the only one that returned. And the idea that someone can buy the rights to something that grows wild, make it illegal for anyone else to have it and then charge $800.00 a dose is obscene. I think we've all been conditioned to the idea that the mainstream medical community is always right and has nothing but our best interests at heart. I'm not saying that they don't, but stuff like this makes you wonder sometimes.
DaveW	Posted - 09/13/2012 : 05:48:10 Hi Brigid, thanks for the suggestions on growing them. I'll try it with some of the remaining seeds. I was hoping to track down a source in part due to the timing. Unfortunately we've hit our deductible this year with some issues with my wife's health, so the surgical option to remove the superficial BCC wouldn't run nearly so much. I'd rather give this a shot before going under the knife, but need to give the process time to work and still have time to schedule a surgery if it doesn't. So, if someone had a plant they were willing to part with, it would let me try this first :) Regards, Dave
Brigid	Posted - 09/12/2012 : 22:41:24 Give them more time---a couple of months to get big enough to transplant. Keep them in an air conditioned room, as cool as possible, not right in front of the AC. Soil: 1/3 topsoil, 1/3 sand, 1/3 vermiculite mixed all together. Light: a bright north or east facing window is enough. South or West windows is too much sun at this point. Water very sparingly or just mist until they're bigger. They don't like damp feet. quote: Originally posted by DaveW Hi all, Just checking to see if anyone might have some PS they are will to part with. I ordered up the seeds from Beautanicals and planted them in a seed starter tray. Now several weeks later I have three spindly things that are about the size of a heavy sewing needle that just won't grow any more. I tried picking up an aerogarden to see if that would work to get them going and no luck there. I've got them growing inside to avoid the Texas heat, but something just isn't working for them. So, I figured I would ask if anyone has some PS they would be willing to part with? I can send a check for shipping or if you happen to be anywhere close to Houston, I would be happy to head your way. I don't know if folks have had any luck shipping the PS? Anyhow, figured I would ask. Thanks in advance. Regards, Dave
DaveW	Posted - 09/12/2012 : 21:39:02 Hi all, Just checking to see if anyone might have some PS they are will to part with. I ordered up the seeds from Beautanicals and planted them in a seed starter tray. Now several weeks later I have three spindly things that are about the size of a heavy sewing needle that just won't grow any more. I tried picking up an aerogarden to see if that would work to get them going and no luck there. I've got them growing inside to avoid the Texas heat, but something just isn't working for them. So, I figured I would ask if anyone has some PS they would be willing to part with? I can send a check for shipping or if you happen to be anywhere close to Houston, I would be happy to head your way. I don't know if folks have had any luck shipping the PS? Anyhow, figured I would ask. Thanks in advance. Regards, Dave
dolfan	Posted - 09/06/2012 : 19:23:32 I got my seeds today. Boy are they small.
anivoc	Posted - 08/26/2012 : 10:52:38 quote: Originally posted by evienyc I didn't want to risk it getting any larger while trying other remedies people speak about on this website, so last week I went in for mohs surgery. It is a shame that Petty spurge did not work...To clarify you mention that the first biopsy the derm saw clean margins...The only way to know if they were clean is if he looked at them under a microscope which IS what they do in mohs surgery. That's the catch...With Mohs or with the alternatives...there are no guarantees only improved chances. I've had both Mohs and alternative removals reoccur and I have alternative and traditional removals that were permanently successful..at least 10 years so far permanent anyway.. Here's a link to a good site on the various types of BCC.. http://dermnetnz.org/lesions/basal-cell-carcinoma.html Hope the best of results on the outcome of your latest surgery.
Alexis Fecteau	Posted - 08/25/2012 : 20:14:27 I've actually not heard of the petty spurge not working where Mohs did. Seeds were legitimate Euphorbia Peplus and not something close like Peplis? Alexis Fecteau
evienyc	Posted - 08/25/2012 : 15:56:29 Hi Everyone, I want to share my story in case it's helpful. I had a recurring BCC on the side of my nose. It was first biopsied in 2007 by a plastic surgeon who got "clear margins". Over the past few years, what I at first thought was a little scar tissue, turned out to be the bcc that had grown back. In April, after he did a biopsy, my dermatologist recommended Mohs. I didn't want to because I had seen a woman who was disfigured by Mohs. My research led me to this website and I grew a Petty Spurge plant. I used the sap for about 9 days at which point a scab had formed and did not seem to be getting bigger. After the scab fell off, I could see that the bcc was still there. I did another round of alternating Petty Spurge and Cymillium until the scab seemed to be done growing. After it fell off, I saw that not only was the bcc still there, but it was growing tentacles. There are different kinds of bccs and apparently mine was the kind that looks whitish on the surface, like a scar, but grows underneath. Somewhere I read that there's a faster rate of growth on some kinds of bccs when they've been disrupted by biopsies. I didn't want to risk it getting any larger while trying other remedies people speak about on this website, so last week I went in for mohs surgery. So far it looks like the scar will heal well and be unnoticeable...
thanks01	Posted - 07/30/2012 : 16:11:33 Checking in again after some absence. Naturally, went to my favorite thread - Petty Spurge. I am currently using it for a spot on my chest which developed since my last posting, so I'll try to come back with a progress report. My comments to those trying to grow PS: Remember - COOL, DAMP, Mostly SHADY. I have managed to get a little self-seeding "perennial" plot in a shady spot, which returned this spring. It almost did not die out, until we got the last frosts. Also, if you grow it inside, study the shelf or surface around the pot. If you refrain from dusting, you will find the ejected seeds there. My original seeds came from Australia and I live in New England.
DaveW	Posted - 07/11/2012 : 17:57:02 Hi all, Interesting reading here. I've ordered some seeds from Beautanicals,but was curious if there was anyone in the Houston area that might have had luck growing the plants here. In looking through the thread it seemed there might be some folks locally. Any tips for dealing with our weather here would be appreciated, since it looks like I'm trying to get started at just the wrong time :) Otherwise, figure I might give this a shot versus rushing to the knife as recommended by the local dermatologist for a nickel sized superficial ulcerated BCC on the shoulder. Regards, Dave
jimbob68	Posted - 07/02/2012 : 12:41:45 Hi, I found this site researching a nail fungus I have. I have been glued reading everything. I have 'spots' also, small ones, but never dx. I studied photos from links and believe I have bcc's. I ordered some seeds from Au., couldn't find them on ebay. As I wait for them, I am doing the vit c treatment and will document it. The fungus connection is very interesting! My toenail fungus started right after a trauma to my foot-an elderly man ran it over w/his lark scooter. The 'spots' appeared after a bad sunburn. I believe that stress/trauma can make these appear. I am so very happy I found this place. Dr. I SlashForCash probably isn't though;)
jazzplayer	Posted - 06/29/2012 : 15:26:51 Hi, I'm new here. I bought a petty spurge plant on ebay and it was just big enough to treat a very small spot on my face.. and it did work well. I have a spot on the left side of my face about the size of a dime. I really need to treat this quickly. I have some seeds but fear it will take to long to grow and use. Is there "anywhere at all" that I could buy and get shipped to South Texas ASAP? I just need to buy a bigger plant if anyone has one since the ones from Ebay are so small and don't survive the trip well. I feel a large plant will stand a chance. Please help!! Mike
Brigid	Posted - 06/14/2012 : 16:55:39 I haven't used Cymillium. For Petty Spurge you don't cut the main stem, you snip the little stems the leaves grow out of. Or you can snip a bigger branch if you have them---not likely on a 5" plant. Most people find 1 drop per spot is enough, once or possibly 2X a day for several days or up to a week. So you probably have enough leaves. I use the smooth tip of a metal nail file to get the bead of sap off the plant and onto my face. Recovery time depends on how long you treat it. Looking at some of the photos people have posted will give you an idea. I think it was a couple of weeks until the scabs fell off but more like a month until it looked pink but mostly normal.
evienyc	Posted - 06/14/2012 : 14:43:33 Hello, Has anyone here tried both Cymilium and Petty Spurge? I have been reading through these boards and so far deduced that they both worked for more people than the other things posted here and/or they had less risk of pain and/or scaring and/or recurrence. I have a bcc on the side of my nose that is recurring after it was biopsied 5 years ago with "clear margins". I really don't want to have Mohs as the dermatologist is recommending. So I grew some Petty Spurge which now has little plants that are about 5 inches tall. Is that big enough? I don't want to break the stem of one only to find it's too small for sap. I have about 7 little plants... While I was waiting for the Petty Spurge to grow, I bought some Cymilium. Which should I try first? Any recommendations? Which has the shortest recovery? Thanks to you all who post here.
Brigid	Posted - 06/14/2012 : 08:47:17 CMunz, Did you receive my emails? I had said I have seedlings which I could try sending you if you let me know the details of how you'd like me to package and ship them. You would need to reimburse me for overnight shipping, if you want that, or priority. I would think the less time in transit the better. We also have UPS nearby. I also have a few seeds from a year and a half ago or so, not sure exactly. You might want to find out how long theyre viable before I send them. Brigid quote: Originally posted by CMunz BCC,,, Have two spots on my face. Had MOH's three years ago,,,:( new spots on other side of face, if anyone has seeds please contact me. I don't want to do the surgery again.
waverider	Posted - 06/07/2012 : 19:09:34 CMunz: If none of the posters above who had plants last spring can help you, the more conventional way of getting the seeds (which many of us have used successfully) is from Beautanicals in Australia. You can order it online and it takes ~ 2 weeks to arrive to most locations in the states. Petty spurge (formal name: Euphorbia Peblus) is also called Radium Weed in Australia. Here's the link to Beautanicals: http://www.beautanicals.com.au/RadiumWeed.html Many of us have looked for a stateside commercial source for the seeds but as far as I know nobody has ever found one. If I was going to try to grow PS in the summer�at least here in the S. Calif heat�I think I'd try to grow it indoors in A/C and pre-germinate the seeds. I don't think PS likes hot weather, at least that's my experience. But I'm sure it's cooler in WI. Also, if you read thru this lengthy thread you may find additional planting/growing advice. Good luck.
CMunz	Posted - 06/07/2012 : 16:15:39 BCC,,, Have two spots on my face. Had MOH's three years ago,,,:( new spots on other side of face, if anyone has seeds please contact me. I don't want to do the surgery again.
CMunz	Posted - 06/07/2012 : 15:20:22 quote: Originally posted by Brigid Will, Are you talking to me, Brigid? I have some seeds and plants you can have. I live in MA. You can try sending me an email thru this forum, I don't know if it will work, or you can send me your contact info and I'll get in touch with you. What kind of cancer do you have and has it been biopsied? Petty spurge does not work on all skin cancers. quote: Originally posted by willwill Steve NH Just saw your post about PS plants. If you still have them available I will drive there almost immediately. Please let me know. Thank you in advance. Hi, I am also looking for a plant or seeds, I am not having any luck sourcing it in WI. I had MOH's 3 years ago and left with a large scar,,, :( on my face. Now have several spots showing up,,, Thanks!
Brigid	Posted - 05/26/2012 : 10:55:01 Will, Are you talking to me, Brigid? I have some seeds and plants you can have. I live in MA. You can try sending me an email thru this forum, I don't know if it will work, or you can send me your contact info and I'll get in touch with you. What kind of cancer do you have and has it been biopsied? Petty spurge does not work on all skin cancers. quote: Originally posted by willwill Steve NH Just saw your post about PS plants. If you still have them available I will drive there almost immediately. Please let me know. Thank you in advance.
willwill	Posted - 05/26/2012 : 09:42:34 Steve NH Just saw your post about PS plants. If you still have them available I will drive there almost immediately. Please let me know. Thank you in advance.
Brigid	Posted - 05/03/2012 : 10:12:26 Hi Jilly, Could you possibly ask your doctor which the 3 types of skin cancer are that don't respond to petty spurge? I have squamous cell carcinoma and invasive basal cell carcinoma, and so far after 3 or 4 treatments, it has not disappeared. For a number of months the original tumor site just above upper lips is less puffy after my treating it, but eventually I get itching and redness around my nostrils, a sign that it's still there. Thanks! quote: Originally posted by Jilly Hi there, Yes I meant my 3rd round. Each round I waited until the skin healed enough before starting, that is now open wound or scabbing. I kept retreating because even though the external part of the tumor fell off, it is still there underneath the skin. I can see it, its white and is directly under where the external part fell off. My skin is now healed again and I see that unfortunately it is still there. I was told that there are three types of carcinomas that require MOHS, where nothing will work. The Dr. who told me this happened to run part of the Australian trials of Peplin. As I haven't had a biopsy yet of the tumor I don't know for sure which one i have. I just know its still there underneath. I did the applications once a day for three days. I tried this last 3rd time to sleep with it one night. I stop usually when I see the area become extremely inflamed. (immune response maybe) I'll post photos tomorrow. Hope that answers your questions. quote: Originally posted by BBirdz Jilly- When you say you are starting your third application do you mean of your second treatment round or is this actually a third round of treating the same spot? I had to delay re-treatment as I got sick and didn't want to treat when my immunity was low. I am wondering how your retreatment has been going,how many applications you did the second time around and how you are determining the need to treat a third time (if this is your third round) Thanks and wishing you all the best with your treatment!
evienyc	Posted - 04/30/2012 : 20:36:43 Hi Steve NH, I tried to email, but the thing wouldn't let me... I would come up to Albany to get one of your plants, if you could give me a couple of days notice. I'd be so grateful, I'm really bad at growing plants! Thanks, Eve
Steve NH	Posted - 04/30/2012 : 18:08:55 The only part of NY I ever get to is Albany - expect to try to get out there within the next 3 weeks (I hope) I started these in December this was my third attempt A few of the keys I think made a difference Temperatures - 75 day - 55-60 at night (one problem with most home grown plants is temp never fluxuates much - most plants in natural enviroment would have day/night temps - triggers growth mechanisms Grown in 100% organic professional growing media (not in potting soil) Bought a good high quality grow light - on timers 14 hrs light per day Plants never dry out completely (bottom watering once established) Two rounds of pinching - that probably delayed them being ready for use a bit - but I believe it produced a nice bushy plant
evienyc	Posted - 04/30/2012 : 14:21:36 Hi Steve NH, I would love to have one of your plants! Any chance you come towards NY ever? If not, I may come up to you. I am a little anxious to get my treatment started since Dr Hacker is pushing mohs at me and my plants are almost microscopic. How fast do these grow, anyway? Anyone have tips? I'm not the green thumb type. I have them in a pot outside. They get the morning sun and I water them everyday...
Steve NH	Posted - 04/30/2012 : 13:25:29 Anyone in New England need a few fully developed plants? After 3 tries I think I got it right - but now have a bit too many I have nine (9) pots similar to this one Image Insert: 66.19 KB If you are located in New England I am sure we could make arrangements to get a couple of these to you.
evienyc	Posted - 04/28/2012 : 16:04:15 Hi Anivoc, Thanks so much! I'm not in the area that's on the map, but it says it's not fully documented, so I think I will go for a hike and look. I actually checked my pot of seeds that I'd given up on earlier and I saw the tiniest little sprout! Still, I don't want to wait if possible...I'll keep you posted.
anivoc	Posted - 04/28/2012 : 14:30:16 Hi Evie... A quick search shows that Petty Spurge does grow in New York just not everywhere..http://plants.usda.gov/java/county?state_name=New%20York&statefips=36&symbol=EUPE6 Not sure where you are in NY but take a look at the map and maybe take a weekend field trip / hunt for the stuff growing wild.maybe Right now is a perfect time of the year to find it. I have some growing in my back yard in California bit not sure it would fare well shipping it to New York. Get real familiar with what you are looking for and do the field trip. If you are unsuccessful hopefully some here on the BBS can help you out.
anivoc	Posted - 04/28/2012 : 14:09:34 Hi Evie... A quick search shows that Petty Spurge does grow in New York just not everywhere..http://plants.usda.gov/java/county?state_name=New%20York&statefips=36&symbol=EUPE6 Not sure where you are in NY but take a look at the map and maybe take a weekend field trip / hunt for the stuff growing wild.maybe Right now is a perfect time of the year to find it. I have some growing in my back yard in California bit not sure it would fare well shipping it to New York. Get real familiar with what you are looking for and do the field trip. If you are unsuccessful hopefully some here on the BBS can help you out.
evienyc	Posted - 04/28/2012 : 12:12:09 Hi, I am new to this forum. I have a bcc that was biopsied with clear margins in 2007 and it grew back. The dermatologist is recommending mohs. I really don't want mohs! I know a lady who's face is disfigured because of mohs. From the info I read several weeks ago, I bought seeds for petty spurge from AU and planted them, but unfortunately, I am green-thumbless! It was more than 3 weeks ago and I watered the pot regularly, but nada. I kinda skimmed through the posts and saw there are some people who were able to grow it and/or found it growing wild. I live in NY. Does anyone know if it grows wild around here? If not I'm willing to travel to buy a plant. Will someone sell me one? I'm really scared of mohs...
tkdbob	Posted - 04/26/2012 : 10:56:51 I also have been using PS for a SCC on my scalp. My last visit to the Derm showed the lesion is much better. I have also been following the 3 day application and cutting the base of the leaf. The now available Picato is a deriviative of PS and was recommended by my derm. Has anyone tried it? It is very expensive ($600) after discount but might be more controllable and standardized. Any thoughts/opinions? quote]Originally posted by BasalBoy Still using petty purge? What kind of brush do you use? quote: Originally posted by SoFl I have some updated information based on my continuing research. - I was initially cutting off a branch and sticking a small paintbrush against the plant side of the branch to extract the sap. I have since found that all I have to do is to cut off a leaf at its base and that is much more efficient and much better. The sap is white but it is fairly viscous. It isn't thick like latex. It's watery like mineral spirits. It absorbs into a brush in an instant. I have also found that the leaves contain the active ingredient and if I don't have enough sap I can mash up a leaf in a teaspoon and add a drop of water and that appears to me to have the same therapeutic effect. - I have been in contact with someone from Australia who has used it on many occasions, and he told me he used it in a way such that he applied it once a day until the suspect area scabbed over and healed. In other words he used it until there was no more reaction.For me that was important information since I stopped my head treatment after only 3 treatments. - I have finished off the biopsied bcc on the head. This treatment has had the benefit of removing the biopsy scar and although the area is still peeling (not completely healed) it looks all brand new like nothing ever happened at the site. At this point it looks like an abraision happened. My head seems to heal very fast so I expect within a week there will be no visible evidence of any prior treatment...we'll see. - I am now using it on what I suspect to be a slow growing SCC on my lower leg. My suspicion is based on having biopsied confirmed ones before. The leg is much less reactive. I have been using it for about a week so far and it has eaten a large crater within the treatment area that now appears to be improving (becoming less reactive). On this one I plan to keep using until there is no more reaction but based on the reaction so far, it has already eaten deeper than my (now ex) dermatologist would have cut out with a knife. It has swollen very slightly but so far it has been completely painless although it looks pretty ugly right now. -summary...I am ecstatic about this plant. I have at this point abandoned all other treatments and experiments because for me, I believe this is a cure, I just need to do more work to figure out the optimum way to extract and use it. I will continue to post my experience with it. [/quote]
BasalBoy	Posted - 04/23/2012 : 19:02:20 Still using petty purge? What kind of brush do you use? quote: Originally posted by SoFl I have some updated information based on my continuing research. - I was initially cutting off a branch and sticking a small paintbrush against the plant side of the branch to extract the sap. I have since found that all I have to do is to cut off a leaf at its base and that is much more efficient and much better. The sap is white but it is fairly viscous. It isn't thick like latex. It's watery like mineral spirits. It absorbs into a brush in an instant. I have also found that the leaves contain the active ingredient and if I don't have enough sap I can mash up a leaf in a teaspoon and add a drop of water and that appears to me to have the same therapeutic effect. - I have been in contact with someone from Australia who has used it on many occasions, and he told me he used it in a way such that he applied it once a day until the suspect area scabbed over and healed. In other words he used it until there was no more reaction.For me that was important information since I stopped my head treatment after only 3 treatments. - I have finished off the biopsied bcc on the head. This treatment has had the benefit of removing the biopsy scar and although the area is still peeling (not completely healed) it looks all brand new like nothing ever happened at the site. At this point it looks like an abraision happened. My head seems to heal very fast so I expect within a week there will be no visible evidence of any prior treatment...we'll see. - I am now using it on what I suspect to be a slow growing SCC on my lower leg. My suspicion is based on having biopsied confirmed ones before. The leg is much less reactive. I have been using it for about a week so far and it has eaten a large crater within the treatment area that now appears to be improving (becoming less reactive). On this one I plan to keep using until there is no more reaction but based on the reaction so far, it has already eaten deeper than my (now ex) dermatologist would have cut out with a knife. It has swollen very slightly but so far it has been completely painless although it looks pretty ugly right now. -summary...I am ecstatic about this plant. I have at this point abandoned all other treatments and experiments because for me, I believe this is a cure, I just need to do more work to figure out the optimum way to extract and use it. I will continue to post my experience with it.
Anka	Posted - 04/16/2012 : 13:11:09 Thank you for information, I buy it quote: Originally posted by waverider Anka, As far as I know, Beautanicals in Australia remains the only reliable source for Petty Spurge seeds (unless you can find it growing wild.) However, it is inexpensive from them and they do ship internationally. Here's the link: http://www.beautanicals.com.au/RadiumWeed.html
waverider	Posted - 04/13/2012 : 22:29:15 Anka, As far as I know, Beautanicals in Australia remains the only reliable source for Petty Spurge seeds (unless you can find it growing wild.) However, it is inexpensive from them and they do ship internationally. Here's the link: http://www.beautanicals.com.au/RadiumWeed.html
Anka	Posted - 04/13/2012 : 10:52:28 Hello everyone, my name is Anka I live in Poland in Europe. I need Your help. My grandmather is sick she has skin cancer. She is 94 old so the doctor say that she is too old to surgey. Her cancer is growing and look very bad.... this plant is my last hope If anyone could me help and send me spurge seed or told me how i got it. I will be very grateful. If you applied a Erivedge? it is efficacy? it is available in drug stor? Please answer me if you could help me. my e-mail krolanka@wp.pl Anka
Jilly	Posted - 03/13/2012 : 15:18:23 Hi there Waverider, Yes so far so good. I started another round today and will post after. Regarding the tincture. I did make one with alcohol and crushed leaves and lots of droplets of sap (too many to count). Its a painstakingly long process! Now that I am in harvest mode I intend to add more sap to the original mixture which I have kept in the fridge. Thanks for the info regarding the seeds. I did figure it out, boy do those seeds fly when ejected. It's absolutely amazing. I now figured out that the only way to go about it is to place the branches in sealed paper bags. Today I had the pods together with the seeds in an envelope and I could actually hear the pods when they release the seeds. If anybody is in need of seeds let me know. Cheers, quote: Originally posted by waverider Jilly: Great pics, great results. So good to see all these positive outcomes. I still see good use for high-potency vitamin C in some small cases of BCC and maybe black salve (though I haven't tried it.) Aside from that, it's becoming abundantly clear that petty spurge is the best treatment for basal cell carcinoma in most cases. Just a pain to have to get seeds, wait for it to grow, etc. I've been hoping for someone with experience to give us some guidance re whether a tincture in alcohol or some other preservative could be made and stored in the refrigerator. Of course, the only way one could test the efficacy of this is on some existing BCC and (fortunately) I am clear at the moment. But it would be an interesting experiment. Re your seeds picture. Yes, the seeds are the tiny gray/black objects on the left. Under magnification, they look sort of like very small grenades. The pods are on the right. Of course, the pods contain the green seeds and eject them when the seeds are mature. Congrats on a good crop. My plants from new seeds this year didn't do well -- most of them keeled over from some sort of mold or something. But the ones that grew from last year's seeds are springing up all over the place and look healthy. Here's a picture of PS seeds (magnified greatly): http://130.226.173.215/cp/graphics/ImageDatabase/EPHPE-SEE-700.JPG
waverider	Posted - 03/13/2012 : 12:08:17 Jilly: Great pics, great results. So good to see all these positive outcomes. I still see good use for high-potency vitamin C in some small cases of BCC and maybe black salve (though I haven't tried it.) Aside from that, it's becoming abundantly clear that petty spurge is the best treatment for basal cell carcinoma in most cases. Just a pain to have to get seeds, wait for it to grow, etc. I've been hoping for someone with experience to give us some guidance re whether a tincture in alcohol or some other preservative could be made and stored in the refrigerator. Of course, the only way one could test the efficacy of this is on some existing BCC and (fortunately) I am clear at the moment. But it would be an interesting experiment. Re your seeds picture. Yes, the seeds are the tiny gray/black objects on the left. Under magnification, they look sort of like very small grenades. The pods are on the right. Of course, the pods contain the green seeds and eject them when the seeds are mature. Congrats on a good crop. My plants from new seeds this year didn't do well -- most of them keeled over from some sort of mold or something. But the ones that grew from last year's seeds are springing up all over the place and look healthy. Here's a picture of PS seeds (magnified greatly): http://130.226.173.215/cp/graphics/ImageDatabase/EPHPE-SEE-700.JPG
busymom	Posted - 03/13/2012 : 02:06:37 Thanks, Jilly. I will e-mail you tomorrow.
Jilly	Posted - 03/13/2012 : 01:53:58 Hi there and welcome, I too read far and wide and I must say that out of all I was drawn most to PS, mainly because of the Australian scientist who set out to commercialize the enzyme and then sold the company for millions. This for me was validation plus meeting one of the Dr.s who ran the trial in OZ who emphatically said it does work for non-melanomas. Over here there are literally forests of PS everywhere so I just pick the plants right out of the ground and take them home. I'd be happy to send you seeds, Im assuming the seeds are the little ones to the left and that they fall out of the PODS. I wasn't actually able to find any photos on the internet, just of the pods. You can email me at jillyrubenstein (at) gmail (dot) com I would definitely try alternatives first, but keep your appointment with the Dermo in order to verify which type it is. Cheers, Jilly quote: Originally posted by busymom Hi All, I am new here to this website. I have found an incredible amount of information since I began reading about a week ago. I posted a question over on the Vit. C board yesterday. Anyway, I have a potentially diagnosed SCC on my forehead. My alternative care doc said that's what she thinks it is and she made me an appt. with a dermotologist for March 27. I am not much one for doctors (not "regular" ones anyway) and so I already was not sure I wanted to do that. After reading all of these posts here, I am now sure that I do not want to go that route. So, I am definitely sold on Petty Spurge. I have contacted my local County Extension office about locating this plant here in Alabama, but did not get a reply back yet. I am currently treating the SCC with vit c powder and aloe vera gel. The scab came off last night and I retreated again last night and this morning. I am not really sure what to do at this point. It has kind of dried over again, swollen and red around the perimeter. Today is day 4 of treatment. Does anyone have any thoughts? Jilly, your lip looks very nice. Looks like Petty did a good job, and that is a good report from the doc. Hope it all continues to go well. In reading through this entire thread, I did notice that SoFl did a lot of talking about collecting the seeds, etc., of the plants. Also Irene. I think they both mentioned that the seeds fall very far away from the plant as the pods project them out. I think it was SoFl that mentioned that he crawls around on his hands and knees collecting them. Maybe you can read back and find their postings to get more detail. Also, Jilly, I am wondering if you would be interested in mailing me some seeds. I'd be glad to pay you, and especially for shipping. I live in Alabama. As I mentioned, I am hoping to find the plant here because I want to go ahead and possibly retreat the area that I have been treating with vit. c powder. However, I want to plant my own plants and get them going. Then I'll be able to share as well. Thanks so much to everyone who has posted here and shared your lives and your stories. Karen
busymom	Posted - 03/12/2012 : 22:19:44 Hi All, I am new here to this website. I have found an incredible amount of information since I began reading about a week ago. I posted a question over on the Vit. C board yesterday. Anyway, I have a potentially diagnosed SCC on my forehead. My alternative care doc said that's what she thinks it is and she made me an appt. with a dermotologist for March 27. I am not much one for doctors (not "regular" ones anyway) and so I already was not sure I wanted to do that. After reading all of these posts here, I am now sure that I do not want to go that route. So, I am definitely sold on Petty Spurge. I have contacted my local County Extension office about locating this plant here in Alabama, but did not get a reply back yet. I am currently treating the SCC with vit c powder and aloe vera gel. The scab came off last night and I retreated again last night and this morning. I am not really sure what to do at this point. It has kind of dried over again, swollen and red around the perimeter. Today is day 4 of treatment. Does anyone have any thoughts? Jilly, your lip looks very nice. Looks like Petty did a good job, and that is a good report from the doc. Hope it all continues to go well. In reading through this entire thread, I did notice that SoFl did a lot of talking about collecting the seeds, etc., of the plants. Also Irene. I think they both mentioned that the seeds fall very far away from the plant as the pods project them out. I think it was SoFl that mentioned that he crawls around on his hands and knees collecting them. Maybe you can read back and find their postings to get more detail. Also, Jilly, I am wondering if you would be interested in mailing me some seeds. I'd be glad to pay you, and especially for shipping. I live in Alabama. As I mentioned, I am hoping to find the plant here because I want to go ahead and possibly retreat the area that I have been treating with vit. c powder. However, I want to plant my own plants and get them going. Then I'll be able to share as well. Thanks so much to everyone who has posted here and shared your lives and your stories. Karen
Jilly	Posted - 03/12/2012 : 05:19:46 Does anybody know which are the seeds, is it the pod or the other little things next to them? Thanks! Image Insert: 84.79 KB
Jilly	Posted - 03/12/2012 : 04:01:36 (Accidentally posted in wrong thread before) Hi All, Well I just got back from my Dermo who examined my BCC post PS applications and while she said it is still important to do a biopsy (punch) she did say that it looked like the only thing remaining was a scar. Not counting my chickens before they hatch but I was pleased. Meanwhile the MOHS surgeon (I delayed the biopsy/surgery until May 1st) will only give me a biopsy of the area on the day of the surgery. (that one was with private insurance) I am posting current photos now. I am contemplating doing one last treatment now that the area is recovered to see the reaction. Also decided to harvest the MASSIVE forest of PS that exists all over here. Anybody have any experience with making tinctures and collecting seeds? Image Insert: 86.88 KB Image Insert: 86.1 KB
Jack Riggs	Posted - 03/10/2012 : 14:37:36 I just want to post a message on this site in acknowledgement that if it weren't for this site my face would be a subject to a horror film. I ordered my seeds (Radium Weed) from Australia to treat my bcc on my nose and right temple and they were spreading fast. THANK GOD for these little miracle plants. Took about 4 months for the little fellers to sprout and produce sap. I want to thank you all for your postings and providing me with comfort in knowing that I wasn't alone in this path down fright night. Clear as a babies butt now. God Bless Jack from Georgia
seven	Posted - 03/07/2012 : 07:40:59 Hi everyone, I began growing PS about 3-4 weeks ago, and they now look like this (about 2-3" each). They are getting longer every day, but some of them are starting to fade/dry, and they look like sprouts rather than developing a proper stem. They seem to be growing higher but not deepening their roots, and I am not sure if that's normal, or maybe my soil is too tight and they grow outwards (?) I wonder if that how it looked when you start growing yours? Any advise is welcomed. Image Insert: 79.22 KB
waverider	Posted - 03/01/2012 : 13:04:26 That's good news. I wonder, however, why indications for this useful, naturally-occurring substance are being limited only to AK -- and not extended to BCC? I have grown cynical enough to wonder if the dermatologist industry will embrace a natural product which could put a huge hit on profitable cash cows like Mohs, etc. It will be interesting to discover, also, what the cost of an Rx will be for this less-potent, big-pharma version. Given that most anyone can obtain unlimited, full-strength amounts at home from a 3-buck bag of seeds!
dfi	Posted - 02/29/2012 : 19:18:52 News flash!!! LEO Pharma which acquired Peplin Biotech several months ago has just obtained FDA approval to market a new product called Picato. The active ingredient in this product is Ingenol Mebutate which is the same ingredient found in the sap of the petty spurge weed. The product should be out by late March. Unfortunately, they only got approval of the product as a quick and effective treatment for actinic keratosis and not for superficial basal cell or squamous cell skin cancers for which we all know petty spurge successfully treats as well. Picato comes in two strengths 0.015% Ingenol Mebutate for facial application and 0.05% for other body areas. Time will tell to see if any brave dermatologists will write prescriptions for the higher strength Picato and tell their patients to try it on their facial basal or squamous cell cancers. At the very least the FDA approval is a start and it validates the effectiveness that most people in this forum (including myself) have experienced using the sap from the Petty Spurge weed. Here is the link to the announcement: http://www.biospace.com/news_story.aspx?StoryID=247271&full=1 Thanks to this forum and especially the entries by SoFl and Waverider for giving me the courage and knowledge to try the sap from the Petty Spurge weed which I serendipitously had been removing from my back yard the day before I discovered the forum. Fortunately, I had not removed all of it and am now treating it like the gold that it is. Starting in March of 2011, I successfully treated both a diagnosed basal cell carcinoma on my forehead and a squamous cell carcinoma on my scalp both of which my doctor wanted to remove via MOHS surgery. Had I had the MOHS surgery on my forehead, it would have easily left a scar the size of a US quarter. Within 4 months of using the petty spurge sap (1 application daily for 3 days on my forehead and 1 application daily for 5 days on my scalp), you could not tell there was ever any cancer. The skin erupted pretty violently in both locations, but now looks and feels completely normal.
BBirdz	Posted - 02/14/2012 : 00:42:46 Thanks again, Jilly. I look forward to your next progress update. quote: Originally posted by Jilly I think he said that the BCC subtypes that need to be operated on involve Morpheic/Infiltrating and Micronodular, perineural invasion.
Jilly	Posted - 02/12/2012 : 14:45:26 I think he said that the BCC subtypes that need to be operated on involve Morpheic/Infiltrating and Micronodular, perineural invasion.
Jilly	Posted - 02/12/2012 : 14:27:52 Hi, No unfortunately he didn't and in fact he said that while the trials were successful he wouldn't recommend that I go pluck a plant and use the sap. I did not cover with a bandaid but maybe I should have. My scab formed immediately upon application and I too most likely had a nodular BCC. I do have the three types written down somewhere so I'll try to find them and post in addition to the photo of my current state. Cheers. quote: Originally posted by BBirdz Jilly-Thanks for clarifying. Did the doctor you met tell you anything about how to use the PS? When I used the sap I covered it with a bandaid so a scab wouldn't form which I don't think they did in the peplin trials. I did have an open pit form where the nodule had been but by the next morning it had filled in with white. I wonder now if that was the core of the cancer I was seeing. Do you know the names of the types of cancer that don't respond? I thought they were mostly testing it on superficial basal cell. The one I have is most likely nodular. quote: Originally posted by Jilly Hi there, Yes I meant my 3rd round. Each round I waited until the skin healed enough before starting, that is now open wound or scabbing. I kept retreating because even though the external part of the tumor fell off, it is still there underneath the skin. I can see it, its white and is directly under where the external part fell off. My skin is now healed again and I see that unfortunately it is still there. I was told that there are three types of carcinomas that require MOHS, where nothing will work. The Dr. who told me this happened to run part of the Australian trials of Peplin. As I haven't had a biopsy yet of the tumor I don't know for sure which one i have. I just know its still there underneath. I did the applications once a day for three days. I tried this last 3rd time to sleep with it one night. I stop usually when I see the area become extremely inflamed. (immune response maybe) I'll post photos tomorrow. Hope that answers your questions. quote: Originally posted by BBirdz Jilly- When you say you are starting your third application do you mean of your second treatment round or is this actually a third round of treating the same spot? I had to delay re-treatment as I got sick and didn't want to treat when my immunity was low. I am wondering how your retreatment has been going,how many applications you did the second time around and how you are determining the need to treat a third time (if this is your third round) Thanks and wishing you all the best with your treatment!
BBirdz	Posted - 02/10/2012 : 01:42:56 Jilly-Thanks for clarifying. Did the doctor you met tell you anything about how to use the PS? When I used the sap I covered it with a bandaid so a scab wouldn't form which I don't think they did in the peplin trials. I did have an open pit form where the nodule had been but by the next morning it had filled in with white. I wonder now if that was the core of the cancer I was seeing. Do you know the names of the types of cancer that don't respond? I thought they were mostly testing it on superficial basal cell. The one I have is most likely nodular. quote: Originally posted by Jilly Hi there, Yes I meant my 3rd round. Each round I waited until the skin healed enough before starting, that is now open wound or scabbing. I kept retreating because even though the external part of the tumor fell off, it is still there underneath the skin. I can see it, its white and is directly under where the external part fell off. My skin is now healed again and I see that unfortunately it is still there. I was told that there are three types of carcinomas that require MOHS, where nothing will work. The Dr. who told me this happened to run part of the Australian trials of Peplin. As I haven't had a biopsy yet of the tumor I don't know for sure which one i have. I just know its still there underneath. I did the applications once a day for three days. I tried this last 3rd time to sleep with it one night. I stop usually when I see the area become extremely inflamed. (immune response maybe) I'll post photos tomorrow. Hope that answers your questions. quote: Originally posted by BBirdz Jilly- When you say you are starting your third application do you mean of your second treatment round or is this actually a third round of treating the same spot? I had to delay re-treatment as I got sick and didn't want to treat when my immunity was low. I am wondering how your retreatment has been going,how many applications you did the second time around and how you are determining the need to treat a third time (if this is your third round) Thanks and wishing you all the best with your treatment!
Jilly	Posted - 02/09/2012 : 13:12:18 Hi there, Yes I meant my 3rd round. Each round I waited until the skin healed enough before starting, that is now open wound or scabbing. I kept retreating because even though the external part of the tumor fell off, it is still there underneath the skin. I can see it, its white and is directly under where the external part fell off. My skin is now healed again and I see that unfortunately it is still there. I was told that there are three types of carcinomas that require MOHS, where nothing will work. The Dr. who told me this happened to run part of the Australian trials of Peplin. As I haven't had a biopsy yet of the tumor I don't know for sure which one i have. I just know its still there underneath. I did the applications once a day for three days. I tried this last 3rd time to sleep with it one night. I stop usually when I see the area become extremely inflamed. (immune response maybe) I'll post photos tomorrow. Hope that answers your questions. quote: Originally posted by BBirdz Jilly- When you say you are starting your third application do you mean of your second treatment round or is this actually a third round of treating the same spot? I had to delay re-treatment as I got sick and didn't want to treat when my immunity was low. I am wondering how your retreatment has been going,how many applications you did the second time around and how you are determining the need to treat a third time (if this is your third round) Thanks and wishing you all the best with your treatment!
BBirdz	Posted - 02/06/2012 : 15:36:53 Jilly- When you say you are starting your third application do you mean of your second treatment round or is this actually a third round of treating the same spot? I had to delay re-treatment as I got sick and didn't want to treat when my immunity was low. I am wondering how your retreatment has been going,how many applications you did the second time around and how you are determining the need to treat a third time (if this is your third round) Thanks and wishing you all the best with your treatment!
Alexis Fecteau	Posted - 02/02/2012 : 08:11:35 quote: Originally posted by Jilly Thought this may be of interest for those of you here http://pharmabiz.com/NewsDetails.aspx?aid=67290&sid=2 Those prices are downright criminal, especially considering the Euphorbia Peplus. I found some growing wild around a house here in downtown Seattle, though would not have know it was the correct one unless I had grown it first from seeds from Beautanicals. Alexis Fecteau
Jilly	Posted - 02/02/2012 : 07:44:48 Thought this may be of interest for those of you here http://pharmabiz.com/NewsDetails.aspx?aid=67290&sid=2
Jilly	Posted - 02/02/2012 : 07:41:11 Hi there, yes I have found it in other places, actually little forests of it, pic to follow. I just wish I could somehow send it to other people who need it. I just started the 3rd application to the same spot and hope this will get to the root of it. One thing is certain it DEFINITELY works, no doubt. Interestingly I stumbled across this today, http://articles.boston.com/2012-01-31/business/31004809_1_fda-approval-richard-pazdur-basal-cell The price tag is ridiculous but I wonder how effective it is. Cheers, Jilly quote: Originally posted by BigD Hello Jill, I had a similar experience wth finding PS growing in the back yard. Since becoming more experienced with recognising the plant I have been amazed to find that the plant is available virtually all year round. In the hotter months if u look for the more sheltered locations with a little more water u may find the plant growing locally even in the off season. regards David
BigD	Posted - 02/02/2012 : 04:28:16 Hello Jill, I had a similar experience wth finding PS growing in the back yard. Since becoming more experienced with recognising the plant I have been amazed to find that the plant is available virtually all year round. In the hotter months if u look for the more sheltered locations with a little more water u may find the plant growing locally even in the off season. regards David
Jilly	Posted - 01/20/2012 : 14:36:44 Yup truly amazing, there just happen to be loads, though it will no doubt be short lived. I may have to dig some up and try to replant in a planter box in my apartment before the gardner comes to clean it all up. I did get a confirmation today from a botanist dr. from the link you posted so thanks for that. Serendipity, Gods will, plain ole good luck, it seems my meeting with PS was meant to be. I didn't include this in the original post but in between going to the dermo and MOHS dr's I also had the good fortune to consult with a Dermo/Surgeon from OZ who just happened to be holidaying in Israel...after doing some due diligence before meeting him it turns out that he ran some of the trials for Peplin before it was bought and was the FDA liaison. Small world really. quote: Originally posted by waverider Looks like a pretty close match with this: http://www.calflora.net/bloomingplants/pettyspurge.html Amazing to have them in your own backyard, so to speak. They look very sap-worthy. You should go into the seed business. Remember to wash your hands after even handling these plants like that as they exude sap residue without even cutting them. Definitely don't rub your eyes accidentally afterwards, like I did.
waverider	Posted - 01/20/2012 : 13:46:02 Looks like a pretty close match with this: http://www.calflora.net/bloomingplants/pettyspurge.html Amazing to have them in your own backyard, so to speak. They look very sap-worthy. You should go into the seed business. Remember to wash your hands after even handling these plants like that as they exude sap residue without even cutting them. Definitely don't rub your eyes accidentally afterwards, like I did.
Jilly	Posted - 01/20/2012 : 04:59:29 Hi All, Following on from my plant verification thread, im posting some much clearer photos of what I think is PS. I'm also posting days five and six (no treatment since day three) Image Insert: 73.81 KB Image Insert: 74.51 KB Image Insert: 54.33 KB Image Insert: 72.32 KB
Jilly	Posted - 01/20/2012 : 04:21:19 Hi Waverider, thanks for your input. The plants are only a few weeks old, most of the year its dry here and the gardner comes every few months and cleans up the building area so there is never really any growth except in winter. Its quite extraordinary if it is PS as I did try to look far and wide here though Herbalists and Nurseries to no avail, and voila, its right under my nose. I will post more photos today. The scab is now off and I can see that it did exactly as you say, nodule is gone and it looks as if it stopped at the dermis. I can see the remnants of the tumor below as one white mass probably 4mm in diameter (not scar tissue) so I will need to reapply. I will start next week once the skin is a bit more healed. I thought that might be the case as when the first scab fell off I did not see a "pit". Will keep posting photos Thanks again for taking the time to respond. I appreciate it. quote: Originally posted by waverider Jilly, Hard to tell if its PS by the pics but it certainly bears some resemblance. The 10 cm height ( ~ 3 inches) seems short but, you�re right, some PS does have dwarf genes. I�ve grown a few that never got more than 5 inches full grown. As for the red/purple stem, that tends to be more evident on mature plants and I don�t know how old yours are. The genus name for petty spurge is Euphorbia Peplus. This page has pictures of the Israeli variety which is probably local to you. It seems to flourish there: http://flora.huji.ac.il/browse.asp?action=specie&specie=EUPPEP&fileid=6795 All varieties of spurge/milkweed produce milky sap and all of it is caustic on your skin. However, only petty spurge has the specific chemotherapeutic properties against skin cancer, we know that for sure. In your case, it looks like it nuked the nodule pretty well and excavated down into the dermis, which is consistent with the action of PS as I�ve experienced it. By the way I never got pain or any particular response until the third day. The first day it just acted like I had squeezed some inert milky substance on it which produced no reaction. Certainly by day 3 I saw major combat going on. PS does not "burn" away the cancer, it induces the cancer cells to destroy themselves, so its a messy process. I�ve always seen no downside in stopping treatment, letting it heal up, then evaluating results. It�s really hard to tell what you�ve got until you do that as the caustic properties of PS may continue to cause inflammation and keep the wound open as long as you keep relentlessly applying it. This may create the impression there�s still active BCC present, when actually what you�re seeing is reaction to the caustic action of the PS. After it heals up a little, the use of orange oil as mentioned by others is a good test to see if any residual BCC remains. If it turns out there are still some hot spots -- as was my experience -- you can always hit it with another round as a mop up action. It seems to function just as well the second time around.
waverider	Posted - 01/19/2012 : 18:51:19 Jilly, Hard to tell if its PS by the pics but it certainly bears some resemblance. The 10 cm height ( ~ 3 inches) seems short but, you�re right, some PS does have dwarf genes. I�ve grown a few that never got more than 5 inches full grown. As for the red/purple stem, that tends to be more evident on mature plants and I don�t know how old yours are. The genus name for petty spurge is Euphorbia Peplus. This page has pictures of the Israeli variety which is probably local to you. It seems to flourish there: http://flora.huji.ac.il/browse.asp?action=specie&specie=EUPPEP&fileid=6795 All varieties of spurge/milkweed produce milky sap and all of it is caustic on your skin. However, only petty spurge has the specific chemotherapeutic properties against skin cancer, we know that for sure. In your case, it looks like it nuked the nodule pretty well and excavated down into the dermis, which is consistent with the action of PS as I�ve experienced it. By the way I never got pain or any particular response until the third day. The first day it just acted like I had squeezed some inert milky substance on it which produced no reaction. Certainly by day 3 I saw major combat going on. PS does not "burn" away the cancer, it induces the cancer cells to destroy themselves, so its a messy process. I�ve always seen no downside in stopping treatment, letting it heal up, then evaluating results. It�s really hard to tell what you�ve got until you do that as the caustic properties of PS may continue to cause inflammation and keep the wound open as long as you keep relentlessly applying it. This may create the impression there�s still active BCC present, when actually what you�re seeing is reaction to the caustic action of the PS. After it heals up a little, the use of orange oil as mentioned by others is a good test to see if any residual BCC remains. If it turns out there are still some hot spots -- as was my experience -- you can always hit it with another round as a mop up action. It seems to function just as well the second time around.
Brigid	Posted - 01/19/2012 : 13:29:58 Hi everyone. I haven't been on the forum for a long time. Curious about red stems--my petty spurge from Australian seed and from Irene's seed never had red stems. Is that maybe more powerful? I'm feeling it's time to treat again b/c some areas are itching again. Sure sign. And also when they turn red from applying coconut oil. For me that's a great diagnostic too (painless) for knowing where it's spread. The spurge just doesn't hold me, I have to keep repeating every so often. The one tumor with invasive bc AND scc has not gone away. Time to go back and read Dan's info at the beginning of this wonderful website. (Thanks Dan!) Jilly for pain if you treat again, try taking homeopathic belladonna. It's for burns and it works for me. Sometimes I've had to take it every 15 minutes. You can't overdose on it. If you haven't taken homeopathy before, read up on how to take and what to avoid. Has anyone heard from Judy in Australia? Wondering if she's OK.
Brigid	Posted - 01/19/2012 : 13:18:18 quote: Originally posted by Jilly Hi there, thanks for the input. Its looking MUCh better today and the scabbing is already starting to come off again. Will post photos tomorrow. Its hard for me to see if there is a pit or not as once the initial hard scab fell off, it re-scabbed again the same day! I did keep applying the antibiotic spray and then I covered it with silver sulfadiazine cream for burns. I do believe that this accelerated the healing process. I will wait until all scabbing is off and then determine whether to retreat with the PS. I delayed my apt. with the MOHS dr. until the end of Feb. Regarding the plant, yes it definitely does have rounder leaves then the ones from OZ and these do not have red stems though they have only just sprouted up in the last three weeks or so with the rain. I live in Israel where it only rains in Jan and Feb so not much "weedage" during the rest of the year. I can only assume that it is PS as it worked in exactly the same way as described here in the forum. I will try to take a close up of the whole plant. I basically just pull them out from the root and then once I get home I break the stem (there really only ever is one for now) and the sap forms a droplet. Interestingly if I try to break the stem in another part higher up after its already been broken, no sap comes out. Its like a one snap sap weed. I would really like verification of the plant, I may email a photo to the OZ seed place and see if someone can verify. quote: Originally posted by BBirdz Jilly- For what it's worth, I treated a unbiopsied nodular BCC in almost the same location as yours last August. I only treated for 4 days. After a pit formed and then filled in over night I decided to stop treating and see where I was. I am just starting to re-treat the same spot today as I don't think I got it all the first time. It still stings slightly when orange oil is applied and is starting to raise again slightly. However the lump was and is completely gone after treatment, leaving a slightly larger flat white footprint or scar where it had been. My spot looked almost identical to yours at day 4 with bubbling white blisters surrounding the main area. The pit was not even visible anymore. Your plant photos look a little different than mine which were grown from the austrailian seed. They started with green stems but all had red stems once they were matured a month or so. It's hard to tell the size or age of these plants from the photo. The leaves on my plants are also more tapered- seem less rounded on the end. Hope this helps. Please keep us posted on your progress. Might be good to get a few others impressions as there may be variations in how the plant looks.
Jilly	Posted - 01/19/2012 : 12:01:35 Hi there, thanks for the input. Its looking MUCh better today and the scabbing is already starting to come off again. Will post photos tomorrow. Its hard for me to see if there is a pit or not as once the initial hard scab fell off, it re-scabbed again the same day! I did keep applying the antibiotic spray and then I covered it with silver sulfadiazine cream for burns. I do believe that this accelerated the healing process. I will wait until all scabbing is off and then determine whether to retreat with the PS. I delayed my apt. with the MOHS dr. until the end of Feb. Regarding the plant, yes it definitely does have rounder leaves then the ones from OZ and these do not have red stems though they have only just sprouted up in the last three weeks or so with the rain. I live in Israel where it only rains in Jan and Feb so not much "weedage" during the rest of the year. I can only assume that it is PS as it worked in exactly the same way as described here in the forum. I will try to take a close up of the whole plant. I basically just pull them out from the root and then once I get home I break the stem (there really only ever is one for now) and the sap forms a droplet. Interestingly if I try to break the stem in another part higher up after its already been broken, no sap comes out. Its like a one snap sap weed. I would really like verification of the plant, I may email a photo to the OZ seed place and see if someone can verify. quote: Originally posted by BBirdz Jilly- For what it's worth, I treated a unbiopsied nodular BCC in almost the same location as yours last August. I only treated for 4 days. After a pit formed and then filled in over night I decided to stop treating and see where I was. I am just starting to re-treat the same spot today as I don't think I got it all the first time. It still stings slightly when orange oil is applied and is starting to raise again slightly. However the lump was and is completely gone after treatment, leaving a slightly larger flat white footprint or scar where it had been. My spot looked almost identical to yours at day 4 with bubbling white blisters surrounding the main area. The pit was not even visible anymore. Your plant photos look a little different than mine which were grown from the austrailian seed. They started with green stems but all had red stems once they were matured a month or so. It's hard to tell the size or age of these plants from the photo. The leaves on my plants are also more tapered- seem less rounded on the end. Hope this helps. Please keep us posted on your progress. Might be good to get a few others impressions as there may be variations in how the plant looks.
BBirdz	Posted - 01/19/2012 : 04:31:26 Jilly- For what it's worth, I treated a unbiopsied nodular BCC in almost the same location as yours last August. I only treated for 4 days. After a pit formed and then filled in over night I decided to stop treating and see where I was. I am just starting to re-treat the same spot today as I don't think I got it all the first time. It still stings slightly when orange oil is applied and is starting to raise again slightly. However the lump was and is completely gone after treatment, leaving a slightly larger flat white footprint or scar where it had been. My spot looked almost identical to yours at day 4 with bubbling white blisters surrounding the main area. The pit was not even visible anymore. Your plant photos look a little different than mine which were grown from the austrailian seed. They started with green stems but all had red stems once they were matured a month or so. It's hard to tell the size or age of these plants from the photo. The leaves on my plants are also more tapered- seem less rounded on the end. Hope this helps. Please keep us posted on your progress. Might be good to get a few others impressions as there may be variations in how the plant looks.
Jilly	Posted - 01/18/2012 : 08:03:40 Here are days 2-4, unfortunately I didn't photograph the first day of what it originally looked like. it was basically a raised, (3 or 4 mm ht, 5mm width )nodular BCC, smooth and white. Image Insert: 49.26 KB Image Insert: 46.08 KB Image Insert: 54.5 KB
Jilly	Posted - 01/18/2012 : 06:51:06 the plant, taken with iphone so not the best quality Image Insert: 51.12 KB Image Insert: 53.19 KB Image Insert: 36.04 KB

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