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Mexico
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 Posted - 06/29/2007 : 12:45:59
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I was researching the use of topical vitamin C and found this interesting text at http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer02/VitaminC.html
Vitamin C Treatment
When Vitamin C comes into contact with a skin cancer or external tumor (e.g. basel cell carcinoma), it hardens the tumor and forms a crust, such that the scab falls off in 2 weeks or so depending on how big the tumor is and how aggressive you get with the Vitamin C.
The solution is made by adding 1/8 tsp (teaspoon) of pure Vitamin C crystals to 1 tsp of water (a ratio of 1:8). Add any more and the Vitamin C won't dissolve. This should make enough solution to last all day. If more is made than is needed you should store it in a closed container in the refrigerator.
Even better, put 1 or 2 ounces of water (30-60 ml) in a small glass bottle and add 1 tsp of Vitamin C for each ounce of water (that is a 1:6 ratio). If after mixing you don't see any crystals on the bottom then add more Vitamin C until the water won't dissolve anymore. This insures a saturated solution of Vitamin C.
The treatment is to apply the mixture (using a cotton swab or Q-Tip) to the tumor. This should be done 2 or 3 times a day. It is best to put a bandage or other cotton covering over the tumor after each treatment, if possible.
On the skin cancer the bandage is just to keep the lesion wet with Vitamin C until the next treatment. If there is an infection you should change the bandage more often. Ascorbate is also anti-infective and is used topically and IV for burn patients. You would therefore be curing the cancer and infection at the same time.
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fforest
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Posted - 06/29/2007 : 15:06:56
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| I do not know if any one has tried applying highly concentrated vit-c water to a raw cancer site..In my experince I can say the pain is unbearable... |
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ardenlester00
USA
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 11:12:17
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My cat has skin cancer under his eye. It is past what the vet can do except more cautizing (burning off cancer eruptions)
I have been making a paste from green tea extract mixed with triple antibiotics and sterile water and applying the paste to the silver dollar size affected area. It seems to be soothing to him, looks much, much "nicer" than the open wound - and seems to be slowing down the growth.
The cancer itself only "seeps" and doesn't crust or scab (only slight crust at times. He is not in any seeming pain, has been eating (and hunting - tho' first operation at vets made him blind)
I wanted to mix in Vitamin C with the "paste" I apply daily or twice a day - but the hurts intently comment scares me.
Can anyone elaborate on that? He is not hurting - but will die eventually from this, I'm sure. He is my "buddy" for 12 years so I want to prolong his life if it is still quality life and no pain.
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Dennis |
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ardenlester00
USA
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 11:16:12
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My cat has skin cancer under his eye. It is past what the vet can do except more cautizing (burning off cancer eruptions)
I have been making a paste from green tea extract mixed with triple antibiotics and sterile water and applying the paste to the silver dollar size affected area. It seems to be soothing to him, looks much, much "nicer" than the open wound - and seems to be slowing down the growth.
The cancer itself only "seeps" and doesn't crust or scab (only slight crust at times. He is not in any seeming pain, has been eating (and hunting - tho' first operation at vets made him blind)
I wanted to mix in Vitamin C with the "paste" I apply daily or twice a day - but the hurts intently comment scares me.
Can anyone elaborate on that? He is not hurting - but will die eventually from this, I'm sure. He is my "buddy" for 12 years so I want to prolong his life if it is still quality life and no pain.
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fforest
103 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2007 : 18:09:19
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I know people all get a warm and fuzzy feeling when they think of vitamin-C...
A little vitamin-C water on a problem spot if its not to strong sure cant hurt any thing and it may help ....
If you make your mix as stong as you can in order to kill a BCC or some other nasty thing this is a whole different ball game....
A highly concentrated vitamin-C mix is so ascitic it will burn your skin like a acid..Healthy skin and bad..If you put it on a open sore the pain is quite bad... I burned the *rap out of my skin with this..My skin healed just fine but its not some thing I want to do again...
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simple_me
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2007 : 15:55:08
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| Yes, I too try highly concentrated vitamin C on my cancer site. Burned badly! I couldn't take the pain, had to cleanse it right away! Just posting my experience for others. Thanks. |
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drbeckl2
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Posted - 11/30/2007 : 11:44:57
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Hello;
Here is skin cancer formula using Vitamin C, and the protocol on how to use it:
quote:
http://www.cancervictors.net/resources/news.asp?filteryear=2007&filtermonth=11
November 10, 2007
Topical Vitamin C Stops Basal Cell Carcinoma
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, November 9, 2007
Topical Vitamin C Stops Basal Cell Carcinoma(OMNS Nov 9 2007)
The most common form of skin cancer, basal cell carcinoma, often
responds to a remarkably simple, safe, at-home treatment: vitamin C.
Physicians and patients report that vitamin C, applied directly to
basal cell skin cancers, causes them to scab over and drop off. [1]
Successful use involves a highly-concentrated vitamin C solution,
directly applied to the blemish two or three times a day. Vitamin C is
selectively toxic to cancer cells, but does not harm healthy skin
cells. This is also the basis for high-dose intravenous vitamin
therapy for cancer. [2]
Even higher concentrations of vitamin C can be obtained by direct application.
The use of topical vitamin C to kill basal cell carcinoma has been known at least since 1971. Frederick R.Klenner, MD, wrote: "We have removed several small basal cell
epithelioma with a 30 percent ointment" of vitamin C. [3]
One person, who reported that a 2mm diameter spot on the nose would not heal for months, had it disappear within a week with twice-daily concentrated vitamin C applications. Another patient reported that after dermatologist- diagnosed multiple spots of basal cell carcinoma were coated with vitamin C, the spots fell off within two weeks. [4]
Basal cell carcinomas are slow growing and it is rare for them to metastasize. This provides an opportunity for a therapeutic trial of vitamin C, provided one has proper medical diagnosis and follow-up.
Preparation of a water-saturated vitamin C solution is simple.
Slowly add a small amount of water to about half a teaspoon of vitamin
C powder or crystals. Use just enough water to dissolve the vitamin
C. Using less water will make a paste. Either way, application with
the fingertip or a cotton swab, several times daily, is easy. The
water will evaporate in a few minutes and leave a plainly visible coat
of vitamin C crystals on the skin.
Consult your doctor before employing this or any other self-care treatment. A physician's diagnosis is especially important, since other forms of skin cancer, such as melanoma, are faster growing and more dangerous. If the vitamin C treated area is not improved after a few weeks, a doctor should be consulted once again.
References:
[1] William Wassell, MD:
Skin cancer and vitamin C. Cancer
Tutor,http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer02/VitaminC.html
[2]Riordan NH, Riordan HD, Meng X, Li Y, Jackson JA: Intravenous ascorbate as a tumor cytotoxic chemotherapeutic agent. Med Hypotheses1995; 44: 207-2 13. http://www.brightspot.org/cresearch/intravenousc2.shtml
and http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/riordan-nh-etal-med_hypotheses_1995-v44-p207.htm and also
http://www.doctoryourself.com/riordan1.html
[3]Fredrick R. Klenner,MD: Observations on the dose and administration of ascorbic acid when employed beyond the range of a vitamin in human pathology. Journal of Applied Nutrition Vol. 23, Nos3 & 4, Winter 1971.
http://yost.com/health/klenner/klenner-1971.pdf and
http://www.doctoryourself.com/klennerpaper.html
[4]Age spots, basal cell carcinoma and solar
keratosis.http://www.doctoryourself.com/news/v5n9.txt
Nutritional
Medicine is Orthomolecular Medicine Orthomolecular medicine uses
safe, effective nutritional therapy to fight illness. For more
information: http://www.orthomolecular.org
The peer-reviewed
Orthomolecular Medicine News Service is a non-profit and non-
commercial informational resource. Editorial Review Board: Carolyn
Dean, M.D., N.D.Damien Downing, M.D.Harold D. Foster, Ph.D.Steve
Hickey, Ph.D.Abram Hoffer, M.D., Ph.D.Erik Paterson, M.D.Thomas Levy,
M.D., J.D.Bradford Weeks, M.D. Andrew W. Saul, Ph.D., Editor and
contact person. Email:omns@orthomolecular.org
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Vybes
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Posted - 01/07/2008 : 17:16:09
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I was recently diagnosed with Superficial Basal Cell Carcinoma on my rightside forehead just at the hairline...my dermatoligist was away for the holidays and so I decided to take the opportunity to try a home remedy during the interim...I purchased powdered Vit.C (ascorbic acid) and followed the procedure as described above...
Upon initially applying the Vit.C paste to the area, I was impressed how quickly it reacted, immediately defining the healthy tissue from the basal inflicted area...there is no visible lesion, so I just spread the paste over a broader area to ensure coverage...the burning sensation was enough to get my attention, but certainly not unbearable...periodically I dabbed moisture on the paste to re-wet it and keep it active...swelling in the immediate area was quite obvious...
After the first session (I reapplied the paste a few times over a 3 hour period in the evening), the affected area was larger than I expected and it was now reddened and slightly recessed as though some skin was removed...I applied pure aloe vera gel to soothe the area...
...the second night I followed the same procedure...this time the burning was just a bit more intense (like putting alcohol on an open wound) but still bearable...after about an hour, I noticed the area was turning grayish-black...I rinsed it off and most of the gray/black was washed off leaving freshly exposed pink skin below...I reapplied the paste 2 or 3 times, and each time the grayish-black color returned...it seemed as though it was oxidized skin which washed away fairly easily...the area was now more reddened and so I applied some antibiotic ointment and later some more aloe to calm the reddening...swelling was less than the previous night...
...by the third night of applications, I noticed the area that was reacting to the paste was getting a bit smaller...the outer perimeter of skin was returning to normal skin color and the center of the area continued the "grayish" response to each application...it also appeared that the area was a bit more recessed as though more skin had been removed...once allowed to dry, the area began to dry out and form a thin scab...I decided to skip a day and see how it healed...the swelling again was less than the night before...
...on the fifth day, after a shower I noticed the area was a bit more pink and I decided to reapply the paste again...this time the area that reacted was again smaller and the reactions were less intense...still a bearable burning sensation, but more restrained than before...after multiple applications on this day alternated with aloe vera to soothe, the area was now taking on a white-ish tone and swelling was minor at best...I allowed it to dry out and a thin scab-like covering became apparent...the area was taking on the look of a healing wound now...that is as far as I have gotten, but I believe the results so far are promising...
...each day that I apply the Vit.C paste, the area of reaction is a bit smaller and the reaction is less intense...I'm very impressed with how the paste only reacts within the area of the shrinking wound, and the outlining areas are not at all affected...the ascorbic acid really seems to go right to the root of the problem...knowing that ascorbic acid is used topically in the treatment of severe burns gives me the confidence to continue this process...I will update my results as they progress...I have a scheduled consultation with a cosmetic surgeon (in about a week from now) at the recommendation of my dermatologist, but I'm not convinced that that's the best option...
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anivoc
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Posted - 01/09/2008 : 02:32:05
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| Awesome ! Keep us posted! |
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Vybes
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Posted - 01/09/2008 : 16:42:25
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| ...OK...2 days later and I have become more selective in where I apply the Vit.C paste...there is now about a 1/4" perimeter of fresh pink skin around the wound...the center is a grayish-beige color which I am presuming is dead tissue...I don't want to apply the paste to the fresh skin because although the Vit.C doesn't react to healthy tissue, the area is tender and I want to give it a day or two to continue to heal...I will then focus on applying the paste to the center area which still looks as though it isn't fully treated yet...the concentration of Basal Cell seems to be in this center tissue (a lttle less than a 1/2" in diameter)...again, the progress is quite noticeable and I am committed to continue this process until I go to see the surgeon next week...in the meantime I am applying antibiotic ointment to aid in the healing of the fresh tissue... |
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meg101
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Posted - 01/23/2008 : 21:30:58
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| What Vitamin C product are you using? |
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Vybes
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Posted - 02/06/2008 : 18:47:08
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OK...obviously it's been almost a month since I last posted (I never did bother to see the plastic surgeon, and thankfully so)...I don't have ample time right now to go into to detail, but I will say that I continued my routine for a total of 3 weeks and then decided to allow for the healing process to begin...
...it's now been about 2 weeks of "healing" and there's major improvement...what was once easily the size of a quarter is now about half the size of a dime and continuing to heal...the area no longer responds to the Vit. C paste, as all the superficial basal appears to have been destroyed (I will be going back to the Dermatologist for a follow-up exam as soon as the wound is completely healed)...
...I used essentially 3 products:
1. GNC Vitamin C Crystals with Rose Hips (Ascorbic Acid) 8oz. Jar
2. a generic bottle of clear Aloe Vera Gel (Walgreens)
3. a generic triple-antibiotic ointment (Walgreens)
...I will log in again when I have ample time to wrap-up and go into further detail as to my exact routine (basically described above) and the time frame involved...
...suffice to say, the results appear to be very promising... |
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krissy
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Posted - 02/09/2008 : 12:50:06
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Hi everyone!
I too have been useing the vitamin C therapy for a bump on my nose. It's been about 3 days and the bump is shrinking.
Vitamin C kills mold, and parasites.
Refer to Hulda Clark Ph.D.,DN.D; A Cure For All Diseases-www.newcenturypress.com |
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Luxy
USA
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Posted - 05/17/2009 : 15:28:38
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On using vitamin C on skin cancers:
I have been using Vitamin C on my facial BCC's. At first I just rubbed a wet vitamin C tablet on the lesions. When dry, the lesions were completely covered in the white dust of the C tablet. About three or four times a day, I put water on my finger and dabbed the white dust to wet it again and make it active. If I didn't feel a little sting, I rubbed the wet C around, working it into the lesion. Once I could feel a sting, I assumed that it was working, and let it alone to dry. Each morning, I washed everything off, and re-applied a new dose of vitamin C.
After two days, the lesions began to get hard, and formed a crust (but not yet a scab). I decided to try a more intensive approach, and on one site (the biggest lesion - between the size of a nickel and a quarter, located near the hinge joint of my left jaw) I wet a vitamin C tablet, rubbed the site with it, and then bandaided it into place, tightly up against the lesion. I kept it wet by either dripping water onto the tablet inside the bandaid, or spraying it with a colloidal silver spray. Again, after each wetting, I rubbed the wet vitamin C tablet (inside the bandaid) against the lesion until it stung.
On the other sites, I continued to just rub a vitamin C tablet on them, as before. These are just normal drugstore 500 mg vitamin C tablets.
The next day I could feel something more happening under the bandaid. There was more of a crust, and it was turning into a scab. It felt like it was burning into my flesh. I left the bandaid on, and the same tablet in place. By the next morning there was a definite scab. Throughout the day, I re-wet the tablet under the bandaid, and also rubbed the non-bandaided spots, as before.
By comparing what was happening to the non-bandaided spots to the one under the bandaid, it was clear that more progress was being made by keeping the wet tablet right against the lesion. I now had a raised dried blood scab the same size as the original lesion, under the bandaid, while the non-bandaided spots were still slowly forming a crust. I admit that there was more pain under the bandaid, as the vitamin C ate away the lesion, than there was on the other spots. But it was not unbearable, and I was happy to have such a quick response.
Once the scab was a good thick dried-blood crust, with a flat rim of hard pink swelling around the perimeter (three days under the bandaid - with two days prior to that just being rubbed with a vitamin C tablet, and re-wet several times a day...five days in all) I took the bandaid off, washed the site, applied lavender essential oil to the spot, and left it alone. By the next morning, the pink hard swelling had softened, and by that evening the scab's edges had begun to flake off a little. It is now two days later, and there is no swelling at all, the scab is reduced by half and appears to be healing like any normal wound. There is no stinging tenderness there at all when I rub my finger across the site, like there was before I started this whole process.
Tomorrow I see my doctor and will be interested to have his take on the process. I am curious to know if I got it all.
Note: I also am taking 1,000 mg of vitamin C 3 times a day, and sometimes 4 times a day, along with an alkalinizing diet, heavy on greens. |
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PHK
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Posted - 05/19/2009 : 19:40:48
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If Vybe is still out there, would be curious to hear how things turned out with the Vitamin C therapy.
I just started reading this forum yesterday, dealing with a BCC issue right now and searching for information, and so much good stuff is here that I am taking a serious look at.
One theme I do seem to notice from many threads are people trying a therapy and reporting on their progress...and then not reporting the final results. I imagine in some cases...they aren't successful and succumb to the knife, and therefore don't have any interest in coming back here. Or perhaps (and I hope!) where successful and without malice, left this site behind. Though I'd like to think that success stories would be something they would want to share...so I really wonder how many really just aren't successful and they wind up going with traditional medicine.
Just food for thought. I read threads that are encouraging, but wind up leaving the outcome unknown.
I am just getting started and hope I can make some contribution here as I go through this process...but to start out will probably just ask questions.
Thanks to all. |
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PHK
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Posted - 05/19/2009 : 19:51:41
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Luxy, I look forward to hearing how you make out.
One question I have for you and others...there seems to be a consensus that because there is stinging and scabbing, that it's "the cancer getting killed."
Are there any thoughts that these reactions to some of these therapies...vinegar, vitamin c, eggplant, etc...is due to the acidic or other effects on lesions, and causing removal and scabbing and eventual healing of the top layer of skin...but the cancer is still there in the basal layer?
I have a lot of reading to do here, but are there any threads anyone is aware of where the writer tried a topical therapy, got results, and a subsequent clean bill of health at the end, and/or at least no visible evidence of cancer many months later?
For instance, I have used efudex, and all appeared well after the site healed...but invevitably the lesion returned albeit many months later.
Thanks to all.
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Baileyone
USA
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Posted - 09/26/2009 : 22:21:43
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| Just wanted to share some of my experience. BCC on my right temple had grown to about 3/4 of an inch long with a ragged outline. It also had become black. I decided to look for alternative measures to treat it. I purchased a bottle of Vit - C (1000 mg tablets). I crushed them and blended up a rather watery mix. After a few days I could see very promising action taking place. The black was gone and the area had been reduced. After a few more days I added more powder and made the mixture much more potent. The area started to sting and burn for a few minutes after I applied the mixture. After two weeks the area was about a 3rd of the original size. I now am letting it rest. It has been 4 days and the area has scabed over. I expect it to fall off sometime next week. I will keep everyone posted. My co-workers and family are amazed with the results. I do have an appointment with a skin specialist in Oct. |
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Baileyone
USA
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Posted - 10/03/2009 : 19:07:18
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| Greetings from CT... It has been (1)week and 3 days since I stoppped using the Vit. C paste. The area is absolutely clean. There is no build up under the skin. I only have a slight pink color where the BCC was growing. Looking back you can determine when its time to stop treatment and let it heal when the burning and stinging becomes intense. I believe that when the BCC cells are gone, your healthy cells are what is reacting to the paste. I should also add that during the (2) week treatment period I started a fasting program. I would fast for 12 - 16 hours each day. Sounds... a little over the top perhaps, but I could feel a overall change in my body's ability to help with the healing process. EG... If I had a snack around 8PM then I would not have anything until 12 noon the next day. Tom |
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dan
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Posted - 10/06/2009 : 00:32:24
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Tom, thanks for sharing your good results with vitamin C paste. Hopefully the healing will continue. I think I understand the ending criteria but it doesn't seem like there would be a clear enough signal for me. But I guess you could perhaps alternate rest and treatments for a while just to be sure it is gone. Also, have you applied the vitamin C paste for 2 weeks total so far?
Interesting about the daily fasting helping the healing process. There could be lots of reasons for this. Fasting reduces levels of blood sugars that feed cancers. Daily fasting also lets your pancreas supply more systemic enzymes that I think are the body's front line defense against cancers, instead of these enzymes being devoted to digestion. Less time to eat food results in less body fat and that means lower levels of free estrogens to fuel cancer growth.
Anyway, we really appreciate your posts and I am sure they will help others. Please let us know how it goes from here. |
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Baileyone
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 22:03:08
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| Greetings from CT. Coming up on 3 weeks and no sign of any return or other issues. Thank you Dan for your comments. Looking back I actually treated (2) problems in the same area. I had a classis BCC nodule with a dimple and a raised Actinic Keratose area next to it. I treated both areas at the same time. The KC cleared up first, but the BCC took about a week longer to dry up and fall off. Both were growing at the time I began the treatment. I can't tell you how excited I was to watch both disapear. There is no doubt that this approach works. The healthy cells around both spots suffered absolutely no impact from the treatment. People who had seen it stop and just can't believe the change. I will keep up my comments and I hope that things do not change... Feel free to email me... Tom |
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Baileyone
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 22:40:58
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I am in a sharing mood. So here is my approach. Each day I would get home about 5:00 PM. I would applied the mixture and let it dry. After an hour I would wash it off and reapply. I would do this all evening until bed time. The last application stayed on all night. During the day I allowed it to stay dry. This was to avoid having to explain the white paste on the side of my face... Friends were already familar with the growth. (2) weeks does not seem very long for the process to be complete, but that was it. I stopped and the area continued to disapear. I should explain that about (5) years ago I had what I will call a sunburst removed. The Dr. said it might grow back bigger etc. What actually grew back was the BCC and AK. I absolutely recommend this approach. Just try it. Play with the mixture until you get the desired results. I wish I had taken some pictures. One day I had a black raised Actinic Keratose 3/4 inch long with a ragged edge, and below it a round BCC with a dimple in it. After (2) weeks both were gone. The area under the BCC has normal color and texture. The skin under the AK area has a slight pick tint to it. Similar to a healed scar. Friends stop me and ask who the doctor is that treated me, because it looks that good.
Thank you for reading my information... Tom |
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Shafah
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Posted - 11/10/2009 : 02:06:34
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I would like to thank everyone for sharing their experiences with the Vitamin C treatment. I really like this approach and I will start it on my BCC on my chest. Also, is it recommended and advisable to do the Vitamin C treatment on more than one location at the same time? I feel that there are some smaller ones on other areas of my chest as well as some on my back left shoulder.
Any feedback from personal experiences would be highly appreciated.
Thanks. |
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justthisonce
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Posted - 06/26/2011 : 03:36:42
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It has been a year since I used the information on this site to clear up the Basal cell carcinoma on my cheek.
Having left it for over a year, far too long, thinking that perhaps it was an insect bite or something similar, I eventually had to admit that it was an issue. It was diagnosed as a Bcc but I was scheduled for treatment for 6 months in the future.
In the mean time, having read about Vitamin C, I gave it a go. I used a paste made from pure ascorbic acid and a few drops of water.
It got to work immediately and within a fortnight the ulcerous scab was gone and the 1 centimeter crater was beginning to heal. Within 2 months it was clear that the cancer had lost the battle.
I have waited until the specialists have had a look and even taken a biopsy before making this post.
I am currently clear of the lesion, it was apparently defeated by nothing more than daily treatment with vitamin C paste.
Thanks for the information at this site, I am pleased to report my own experience and hope that it will help anyone finding themselves in a similar situation.
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johnnyboy11
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Posted - 09/06/2011 : 16:02:23
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This is my first post to this forum...my story is not new here. Dermotologist confirmed BCC on the tip and bridge of my nose 2 weeks ago. He informed me that Mohs surgery would remove all of the BCC and that a plastic surgeon could repair the damage. After meeting with the plastic surgeon the ugly truth was revealed....very likely a forhead flap that folded over my entire nose for a month followed by at least 2 maybe 3 more surgeries to get it to look right. The plastic surgeon told me that if it were his nose he would look at alternatives. First alternative is electron beam radiation therapy, that Dr. said that he could kill all of the BCC with 90% or better success and with very good cosmetic results. In the meantime I've read the forum on Vitamin C paste and tried it on the nodular BCC on the bridge of my nose. I am amazed at the reuslts thus far (8 days). The C paste seems to eat away at the cancer and leave the healthy skin unharmed. The BCC on the bridge has gone from size of a pencil eraser protruding from my nose to a rather messy scabbed patch that is now flat and even with the profile of my nose. My question now is...how do I know when to stop applying the vitamin C paste and let this heal. My assumption is that if Vitamin C does not harm healthy skins cells that I'll be complete when the "etching" of the area stops. Any input form those here would be appreciated.
Best Regards......................
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waverider
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Posted - 09/06/2011 : 17:47:08
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JB11:
Vitamin C is so benign to non-cancerous cells that I think there's no downside to using it as long as you feel like it. I used it successfully on bridge of the nose, also, during a time of the year when I couldn't grow petty spurge, which I consider to be the definitive remedy. I went with keeping the Vitamin C solution in a liquid state (vs. a paste) + used it in conjunction with DMSO for better absorbing.
As far as the "when to stop" question, that's a big question mark around here for almost all treatments. Lots of varying opinions. One thing you might use the search function for are the posts by Dan, the founder of this forum, on the topic of "orange oil." It has some good reports as a treatment but, even more interesting, it seems to act as a reliable indicator for the presence of BCC. You can put orange oil on a gaping cut or other skin abrasion and you won't feel a thing. Apply a few drops anywhere there are abnormal cells like basal cell skin cancer, however, and after a few minutes you feel a noticeable stinging that lasts about 20 minutes. It penetrates very deep, too. Therefore it might be used as a tool after treatment to determine if you've wiped out all the BCC. Theoretically, no sting = no cancer. This may or may not be 100% and no scientific tests that I'm aware of have ever been done to confirm this. (I'm sure a dermatologist would boot you out of the office for even asking about it!) So do your own research + draw your own conclusions. As for me, if I don't feel any sting response with orange oil after a course of treatment using Vitamin C or petty spurge, I'm inclined to say "finished" and just let it heal up. You can always hit it again if it recurs. Orange oil is available at health food stores or at places like Whole Foods Market in little bottles for about $3.00. I think Dan mentions some other sources or commercial products that contain it, too.
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johnnyboy11
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Posted - 09/06/2011 : 18:47:16
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Waverider...thanks much, I'll try the orange oil as an indicator for other BCCs. I think I may go antoher 2 or 3 days and post the results of the Vitamin C paste...maybe I can help break some ground as far as a determination of when to stop applying the C and calling the BCC dead. Thanks for your reply its most appreciated.
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Khbsrt
USA
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Posted - 11/02/2011 : 14:21:47
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i have used the vit c paste for 5 days now. it makes a gooey scab, then i wash it off and apply the vit c paste again. then repeat. no
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waverider
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Posted - 11/02/2011 : 21:54:19
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| Yes, I think there's a point where you need to back off. Let the smoke clear, the dust settle, etc and see what you've got after it heals up. Ascorbic acid is an irritant and will sting on even non-malignant sites like paper cuts, etc. It might be keeping it from healing. You may have already knocked out some/all of the BCC without yet knowing it because the high-potency vit C is keeping it in the raw, open wound state. I can't speak for apple cider vinegar but I know there's sound research about the effectiveness of topical vit C against skin cancer cells. This is the planting/growing season for petty spurge -- which I and many consider the gold standard for natural BCC treatment -- so if you've bought yourself some time with the vit C you might consider acquiring some seeds and growing some for the full knockout. Just my 2 cents. Not a MD. |
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lisaca99
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Posted - 02/04/2012 : 19:03:40
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Hi, I'm new to posting, this site is really interesting. Thanks so much for posting your experiences.
I have been using a DMSO/sodium C/aloe plant mixture on a closed BCC on my nose for 9 days. Things began scary as the area swelled up like a balloon initially,(size of a quarter) , has since opened up in several places and has decreased the entire mass by 50%.
At night I am covering it with aloe and sometimes making a C/water paste to apply to it. It seems like things are going fairly well, not any terrible pain. I'm applying the mixture daily for 8-10 hours a day.
Also, taking 12 grams of C orally, with fish oil and eating no sugar,dairy,or meat.
I would like to ask someone on this board, if it is a good idea to debride the wound? Basically I moisten the scabs and then rub them off until they are open again, then put more of the mixture onto it.
Or should I just let them scab over? |
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husky
USA
4 Posts |
Posted - 02/19/2012 : 20:58:26
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| Hi I am new to this forum. The past summer I notice a raised lesion about the size of a pencil eraser on the middle of my forehead. I first thought that it was some kind of blemish so I let it go thinking it would resolve on its own. About 6 months later it was still there. About 2 months ago I went to see a dermatologist and she said it was basal cell carcinoma and needed to take a biopsy I was not too happy to hear that I would have to go under a knife. I did some research on basal cell and found that vitamin C was effective. So I bought the Vitamin C and followed the procedure on how to apply. I first used water base with vitamin C and applied a wet solution under a band aid the first day and did that a few times in 1 day. Before I took a bath I took the band aid off and noticed a more pronounced redness there was some sting to it. Th second day I gently rubbed a wet tablet on the lesion & 5 minuted latter I noticed a small black spot. Will the rest of the lesion blacken and do I need to continue the same re-applying till the entire lesion forms black scab and wait for it to fall off? |
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busymom
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Posted - 03/11/2012 : 15:07:32
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Hi, I am also new to this forum. I am sooo glad to find this website and all the info available. I've been reading for several days before even making this post.
My story is that a couple of years ago I had a "blemish" pop up on my forehead (just like Huskey mentioned). I thought it was a typical deep zit type of blemish and did not worry about it. However it never came to a head, nor did it disappear. It got a tiny bit larger as time as gone on and at times it would be a little reddish. It is not very big -- about half the size of a pencil eraser. I could feel that it was deeper than a regular blemish. I went for my annual checkup with my alternative care doc last month and I decided I would mention it to her. She pretty much immediately said it looked like SCC to her, but just to be sure she set up an appt. with a dermatologist for March 27. I have never been to a derm doc, but I already try to stay away from docs as much as possible anyway, so I figured they are no different.
So, all that to say that I've been researching what to do. I had previously tried coconut oil for extended periods of time, garlic oil and garlic taped to my forhead, ACV, fig stem sap (similar to how the petty spurge is described) and I had no results with any of these. I have a book called "Cancer - Step Outside the Box" and I was reading up on skin cancer when I saw that it mentioned the vit. c paste. So, that's how I ended up here and I'm so happy to read that others have had such good results.
I have read pretty much all 10 pages of the forum on petty spurge and have already sent an e-mail to my local county extension office about locating this plant. I live in Alabama and the map shows that it grows here, so hopefully I can find some locally. If not, I will order from Australia like everyone else has. I want this plant growing around my house all the time from now on, whether I have an active cancer or not. :-) Anyway, I, like Huskey and Lisa, am not sure whether to keep treating my spot or not. I had been treating it for about 3 days with 35% hydrogen peroxide and so the spot was already irritated. Then I did the vit. C paste and went to lay down for a nap (about 2 hrs). When I got up, there was a dark black spot in the middle of the treated area. I was so happy that something was happening so fast! I don't know if it reacted so quickly because I had already been treating it with the h202 or not. So, I washed it off and applied more. I did this a couple of more times before bedtime that night, then again the next day. The dark area was scabbing and I just put the vit. c paste on top of it and the surrounding perimeter. The perimeter was irritated and a little red and swollen, but it was not reacting like that center "core" part with the scab, which was the exact spot of the "blemish." It burned pretty intensly for a while each time I applied the paste, so I figured that was good -- no pain, no gain, right? So, now about 2 days later the scab is a little bigger and I've stopped putting anything on it. I wanted to try and pick the scab off like people mentioned on the petty spurge forum, but it is hard and thick and flat with my skin. It will not peel away. I soaked it down in coconut oil last night and put a bandaid on thinking it might help it come off, but no.
So, I am just wondering if I should just wait and let it heal up and see if the area is clear. I just want to do this right. I suppose I can always retreat it if it isn't gone, but I'd really rather do it right the first time around. Also, I have the Cancer Salve book and I have a friend that did the bloodroot thing a few years ago. Ingrid had told her that she needed to get it all the first time because once the area closed up and healed with scar tissue that the bloodroot would not go back down through the scar tissue. That kind of scares me because I sure don't want cancer cells hiding under scar tissue.
Okay, I'm done with my long-windedness! If anyone has any thoughts or experience with this vit. c info and the scab issue, I would really appreciate it.
Best to you all,
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husky
USA
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 21:33:34
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| After my last post I did reapply vitamin c paste 2 or 3x's a day for about 2-3 more days until it formed a scab which fall off, and left it alone for a while. Now what used to looked like a raised lesion (basal cell) on my forehead has now flattened and does not look as nearly as bad as before. There still is a small tiny scab in the middle of the basal cell, but in my opinion it looks better than it did before I used Vitamin c paste. The outer portion has a flesh color tone to it. Not perfect but better in appearance. I will post latter to see if more of it heals. P.S. I looked at it through a thick magnifying glass and it did get smaller... |
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busymom
14 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2012 : 00:09:07
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I am now on day eight since I first applied the vit. c paste to the bump on my forehead. I applied the mixture a few times a day for the first couple of days, then a rest day. A black spot appeared within a couple of hours after the very first application. I wasn't sure what to do after a scab formed, but I left it alone until it was ready to flake off -- that was on about day 4 or so. Then I applied more paste. Now most of the second scab has come off. There is a small scab in the center (just like Husky mentioned on his) and I am waiting for that to dry up enough to come off and then I will know for sure how it all turned out. But as best as I can tell, the bump is completely gone. When I rub my finger across the area it is totally smooth, except for the small scab that is almost not visible.
I am very impressed with how the vit. c worked. I have the appt. with my dermatologist on March 27th, so I will post back to inform of what he had to say. For anyone thinking of trying this, I say you've got a very good chance of eradicating your skin cancer. Just spend some time reading the information on this site and reading the forums of what people have tried and reported. Best wishes to everyone.
Karen |
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busymom
14 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2012 : 00:22:05
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| I also wanted to report another bit of information about the vit. c paste. I had a diagnosed basal cell skin cancer on the back on my leg, almost behind my knee. It wasn't very big at all and my doc had said it was really nothing to worry about because it was very slow growing. I had tried coconut oil, apple cider vinegar, fig stem sap, all to no avail. So, when I was treating the bump on my forehead, I decided I might as well try it on my leg as well. So, I applied a little bit one day and left it. Then, the next day I applied some more. It never did sting at all, it never turned red, it never did anything. Those were the only two times I put the vit. c on it. Then, yesterday, I decided to check it and it felt smaller and also kind of hard. When I rubbed it with my finger, it fell off!! I still cannot believe it. Now all that's left is some roughness on my leg where is was. I will plan to treat the area again just to be sure it all goes away. I would say that is amazing results. Two random treatments and it falls off!! Vit. c is awesome. It's too bad the whole world doesn't know about this. I will be telling everyone I know. |
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bonder
USA
174 Posts |
Posted - 04/02/2012 : 12:51:51
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WHY VITAMIN C MAY NOT HAVE WORKED FOR EVERYONE YOU KNOW...
I thought it a good idea to share a bit why many people might give up on Ascorbic acid therapies etc.
Hyperglycemia has been shown to inhibit ASC transport.
This inhibition seems somewhat paradoxical given the evidence
suggesting that insulin promotes both ASC and dehydroascorbic
acid (DHA) uptake by cells. The inhibition of ASC
uptake by hyperglycemia was demonstrated in vitro in the
absence of insulin and may not, therefore, be important in
normal physiology. But, if a high plasma ASC in IDDM is
uncoupled from insulin replacement then the hyperglycemic
inhibition could have substantial implications for uptake.
Hyperglycemia is also known to enhance renal ASC losses
http://www.jacn.org/content/17/2/105.full.pdf
Many people won't pick up much vitamin C with their current body chemistry and this fellow in this video explains it a bit with low PH which once again speaks for a more alkaline body chemistry to fight any sort of cancer.
He also is a proponent of a (distilled water wash out) to get better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_3lHARRvbM&feature=related
Also, I thought it a good idea to incorporate what I decided to do over the decades as I take care of my personal Neuro-Problem and that is to learn from what experts (not connected with a group) had to say.
Here is a very good vid about the brain and nutrition (around an hour) which will give a pretty understandable report of how our inside chemicals work and in my opinion,one of the reasons why we need to keep replenishing vitamin C regardless if it comes from an orange or broccoli. Dr Blaylock is not an advocate of artificial sweeteners just like me and explains here how so many prisoners of today started out with bad nutrition.
Can you imagine looking back and discovering that all you needed to do was to say (no) to too much candy or sugar-free drinks to keep your kid out of the slammer ????
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2963728494205235281
http://www.rense.com/general92/lungl.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Blaylock
Be Well Always,
Bonder |
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vampire
USA
4 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2012 : 21:55:42
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| on the vitamin c for bcc cancer i have had on my chest for years it itches and is red size of a nickel or a little bigger will this vitamin c work on it as i have had for so long? thank you |
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Menoly
USA
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Posted - 04/18/2012 : 21:07:41
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I am a 55 year old woman who has spent as much time in the sun as I could. I was diagnosed with a small basal on the bridge of my nose last week, and am to have moh's surgery next week, using a flap from my forehead to cover the debried area. After much reading I decided to give the vit-C regimine a shot.
I went to Walgreens looking for tablets or powder, and noticed Nature Made 500mg softgels (vit C in soybean oil). I decided to give them a try, thinking it might save me the trouble of making a paste, or taping a tablet to my nose. I snipped the tip off the top of the softgel and applied the rather lotion-like goo to the basil. I was now left with a still nearly full softgel and figuring it might not save well, and because I have other small spots that concern me, I decided to apply it to the rest of my face. It left no white residue, but did elicit the slight burning sensation I was expecting.
The next morning I looked in the mirror and was very surprized to see that the basil had leaked a black liquid (dried blood?) down the side of my nose, and that I had several other tiny black dots on my face. It was as if the basal cells had just exploded! In addition, my face was not as red as it is typically (I am one who's face is always red).
I have continued to use this "lotion" twice a day for two days. I must admit the burning is rather intense, and lasts about 20 min. but this seems a small price to pay. The flakey patches are sluffing off and my skin in general seems improved. Because it doesn't turn white and the soybean oil keeps it from drying out, I can put my sunscreen on right over it and get on with my day.
If things continue on this way, I may cancel my surgery! I'll let you know. |
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bonder
USA
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vampire
USA
4 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2012 : 19:24:39
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bonder thank you for the info on vitamin c and bcc
vampire |
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dan
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Posted - 04/20/2012 : 00:06:37
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| Menoly, also thanks for the post! Breaking open a softgel of vitamin C would be perfect if it works. I am looking forward to any updates. |
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bonder
USA
174 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2012 : 09:34:47
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Vampire, "Y.V.W.", the thing I had to learn the hard way was...
Regardless of if it is legal or illegal drugs, most people will have side-effects.
Sadly, most of the legal drugs that sneak up on us as adults to make us ill are inside of what we consume at the grocery or gas station.
And the worst part about it is that quite often it starts out because of what we beg our parents for from the television commercials !
There are national reports of higher increases in daily artificial sugar intakes than ever before along with obesity being at a sort of (epidemic)level for children. If you listen to Dr. Blaylock, it looks like much of it is because of what is happening to our brains...
I never knew until recently that treating the hypoglycemia for many alcoholics gave them almost(3)times the odds at sobriety than going to a well respected plan like (A.A.) according to studies that were done.
So, bottom line is our nutrition is crucial at recovery...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2963728494205235281
Be Well Always,
Bonder |
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wime
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Posted - 04/22/2012 : 03:37:14
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I had a "patch" on my temple. I think it was either bcc or acinitic keratoses. I had the Dr look at it. He simply said keep an eye on it and come back if it grows. Its on my temple next to my hairline. It was slightly raised and basically flesh colored but it did seem to be possibly growing. It did start to seem itchy. Now that I no longer have insurance I took matters into my own hands and became my own vitamin c guinea pig. My husband thinks I'm crazy and I'm burning my face off. I at times have wondered that too... Also as a side note I have a relative who had a suspicious mole checked out the Dr insisted it was nothing to worry about but my uncle insisted to get a biopsy...turned out to be melanoma that spread...he's still alive but after radiation and surgery...still spreading...(any prayers are appreciated)
I am on I think day 5 or 6? I have applied ascorbic acid (vitamin c crystals from trader joes) with a little msm powder and water approximately 3-4 times a day (washing it off then reapplying). At first I didn't cover it but now I have been. After the first day it raised the patch and it became two bumps. Then the next day or so I was expecting a horn to grow out of it. It was raised and started to scab. I picked the scab which then made me look like I was shot in the head. Wont try that again. I kept reapplying and the bump grew larger. Then it slowly started to subside. I noticed a vein buldging from my forehead for a few days which has now gone down. My throat and ears were also itchy like I felt like I was getting sick. Maybe its non related idk.
Anyways. Whatever day I am on I have a multicolored scab but mainly yellow on a flat surface. No more devil horn. Although I am still treating it with vitamin c and am using a bandaid to cover it..my daughter's strawberry shortcake...I figured that was a little better than white crust. Ps By day 3 or 4 it started to hurt like hell. Its pretty sore now. I'm definitly ready to stop the application.
This will be my last application I think. I'm going to let it heal on its own starting in the morning and wait for the scab to fall off.
I will try to post my results whether positive or negative. |
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bonder
USA
174 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2012 : 07:15:30
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Wime, glad to seeya !
The thing to remember here when trying to heal naturally is to summarize what a famous scientist once said....
"For every action, there is an opposite reaction" You may be experiencing what is called a "healing reaction"
http://www.cellhealthmakeover.com/understanding.html I have never bought anything here but, it explains this quite well.
I personally started with a few days of aches and pains along with sinus trouble and popping ears when I became serious about changing the nutrients inside of myself. I was about to go back and eat a hamburger until I told myself to hold on and look it up on the internet.
vitamin C is no candy tablet especially if it is in the crystal formation. If you look around on this site, you will find many folks talking about how things immediately looked worse right before they started to heal. But, I bet you have seen your cuts and bruises get (bigger) before they get smaller a lot over your past right?
Seems like a natural process. If you google vitamin C therapy I'll betcha it will be pretty hard to find a case that talks about overdosing from a topical application. If it were me and I knew I had a basal cell or squamous cell problem I'd want to catch it early rather than later.
I'm no doctor but, I needed to study cancer quite intensely and decided that I needed to take the pain for a while as well...
Be Well Always,
Bonder |
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waverider
50 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2012 : 11:59:34
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| I like the dissolved TJ crystals in water better than the capsules containing liquid C in a soybean oil base. While soybean oil may provide a good medium for suspension, as well as for absorption in the digestive tract, I'm not sure it's the best thing for topical use when what you want to do is promote *penetration* down into the skin to the basal level. I like a high-octane concentration of water-dissolved crystals, immediately preceded and followed by a sloppy swab of DMSO. There's no question Vitamin C is skin cancer-toxic, the science is known and too many people have had success with it (including me, also on the bridge of my nose). However, if/when C doesn't work it is often attributed to failure to penetrate sufficiently. It's a fairly large molecule and applying it suspended in oil might further retard penetration. Just my 2 cents. |
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vampire
USA
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Posted - 04/22/2012 : 18:34:06
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| thanks waverider i am having surgery 4 a couple bcc lesions on wed. thanks vampire |
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wime
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Posted - 04/22/2012 : 22:56:38
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bonder
thanks for the link. I totally agree. These past few years I have slowly changed my eating habits to healthier choices (whole foods) I'm a Vegetarian but that doesn't necessarily mean healthy. I have also been switching to bath/beauty products containing less chemicals or as natural as possible. (Which is a HUGE transition for me). The past few months I have been taking 5000mg vitamin c and 5000mg msm powder total daily (morning/night) to detox my body. I have taken vitamin c in high doses previously but I think the msm powder helps allow my body to absorb more... I have noticed a huge difference in energy levels as well as breathing since I started the msm powder. I did go through some detox symptoms initially. What I find odd is that my breathing problems came back these past few days. Also slightly blurred vision and somewhat of a racing heart (which I have experienced before). For the past few years I felt shortness of breath-after childbirth really bad then it slightly subsided. Msm powder got rid of that within the first few days of taking it until now. I'm thinking of slightly up-ing the dose... I also wonder if treating this "lesion" has kicked my thyroid into overdrive and maybe I have an underlying hyperactive thyroid condition. I don't think its anxiety but who knows. Or maybe my body is using everything it has to try and cure this so there's a shortage somewhere else?.. Anyways, I agree that there needs to be an overall approach to healing. I think our bodies are bombarded with toxins its no wonder so many experience degenerating health. Can't just pop a vitamin pill and live on Cheetos. Then take meds just to cover "symptoms" :)
waverider- Re the soybean oil...I also wonder since 90% of soy products are GMO's and our bodies could try to reject these foreign man-made substances/dna change whatever you call it..maybe it could also play a part in hindering the vitamin c's job?... |
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Rafinjax
USA
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Posted - 04/28/2012 : 19:55:14
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quote:
Originally posted by waverider
I like the dissolved TJ crystals in water better than the capsules containing liquid C in a soybean oil base. While soybean oil may provide a good medium for suspension, as well as for absorption in the digestive tract, I'm not sure it's the best thing for topical use when what you want to do is promote *penetration* down into the skin to the basal level. I like a high-octane concentration of water-dissolved crystals, immediately preceded and followed by a sloppy swab of DMSO. There's no question Vitamin C is skin cancer-toxic, the science is known and too many people have had success with it (including me, also on the bridge of my nose). However, if/when C doesn't work it is often attributed to failure to penetrate sufficiently. It's a fairly large molecule and applying it suspended in oil might further retard penetration. Just my 2 cents.
I was diagnosed with BCC on my back and was scheduled for removal 3 weeks later. I used solution saturated sodium adsorbate in a 1oz bottle. I tapped it to prevent sunlight since it is photosensitive. I added 5 drops DMSO to the mix. Applied throughout the day. When I went to the dermatologist for removal he could not find it. He knows I do CAM and said good job, but did not care to know the details, he probably already knows. I use it for Actinic keratosis also.
My daughter has a BCC on her forehead that has a reoccurring black scab. Since using the above formula the scab has not been falling off except when rubbed off by accident. It is taking longer with her and I did not put DMSO in her mix due to her being pregnant. I need to take photos of hers and trck its progress. |
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HereIsHelp
USA
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Posted - 08/06/2012 : 07:59:15
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REGARDING DEBRIDEMENT OF SCABROUS TISSUE
I am a registered nurse who has worked with a Dermatologist. Here is what I recommend regarding removal of scabs during this process:
First, know that avoiding scabrous tissue formation is by far the best in order to avoid scarring of the healed, healthy flesh. This is accomplished by keeping the treated area moist at all times or as much as humanly possible. This also increases the efficacy of the Vit. C treatment, too. GENTLY removing a soft, moist, loose scab is fine.
Black or gray tissue is necrotic (dead cancerous tissue) and should be removed immediately as it contains toxins that can affect the emerging healthy tissue.
If a scab is really hard, dry and firmly attached, I would not recommend pulling it off. Rather soften the area with long, warm soaks and continue with the Vit. C under a bandage keeping the area moist. Be patient, the scab will soften in a couple of days, max. I would recommend using 4" x 4" gauze cut and folded in half and apply to the treated area with a 1/8" perimeter to ensure that underlying undetected cancer is being reached. A double piece of gauze slows down evaporation and thus requires less frequent moistening.
Your local drugstore has albeit somewhat costly occlusive dressings that are very effective at sealing the treated area and thus locking in the moisture for a longer period of time. You may get away with saturating the gauze once a day with this type of dressing. Ask the pharmacist where to find it if you do not see it on the wound care isle.
Lastly, I would not use apple cider vinegar or H2O2 topical dressings as both will increase scabbing and it may be overkill because Vitamin C is already proven to cause tumor necrosis. Antibiotic ointments should not be necessary, either. Bacteria cannot grow in a highly acidic environment like ascorbic acid. Applying aloe or a purified petroleum based product like aquafor to the site is a fantastic idea. Most Dermatologists do not recommend antibiotic ointment application after removal of cancerous or pre-cancerous lesions anymore.
One word at making your vitamin C paste. Great if you can get a high enough concentration. However, if you are not seeing a good response, it is likely too weak. In that case, I would recommend buying 20% Vitamin C serum. It is not cheap but it goes a long way as one is typically using a couple of drops. Also, it is oil based so it doesn't evaporate as quickly and is great to apply to the skin to prevent skin cancer because it stops free radical damage that leads to cancer and wrinkles, too. It also is a potent anti-viral rapidly killing cold sores and HPV lesions.
Hope this helps! 
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busymom
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Posted - 08/06/2012 : 20:03:37
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Hi everyone,
I apologize that it has been so long since I've posted an update on my forehead condition. But, I do want anyone reading this to know that it turned out very well. :-)
I did the Vit. C paste (vit. c powder mixed with aloe vera gel) on and off for about 2 weeks. When a scab would develop, I would let it scab, pick it off when it flaked, and then start reapplying the Vit. C paste again. I had read on a different forum on this site about using orange oil to possibly help detect if there was still any cancer there, so I headed to the health food store and purchased some orange oil. I applied it and nothing happened. No burning or stinging. It actually helped heal the area, so that was good.
After "testing" the area with the orange oil and not having any stinging, I decided to let it heal up and see how it was. So, after about 2 weeks, I let it heal. That only took a view days and the scab was getting smaller and smaller, until only the tiny little center was left. I did start putting vit. E oil and aloe vera on it to help with healing and scarring. After a few more days, the little center scab came off and that was it. There was a scar there, about the size of a dime maybe, and I did feel inclined to wear my hair with my bangs down on my forehead instead of combed over to the side. :-)
So, the whole process was done in about a month and I canceled the dermatologist appt. because there was absolutely NOTHING for him to see except slight scarring. I didn't want to spend the money, and I figure he would have thought I was nuts anyway. LOL!!
Using the vit. E oil and aloe vera for about a month longer took care of the slight scarring and now my forehead looks totally normal, just like it did before I ever even got the cancer spot. My skin is perfectly smooth and all scarring has vanished. I have tested several times with the orange oil and it never stings or burns, so I am hoping that is a good indication that I did get all of the cancer and it's all done. My friends have been amazed, and I am as well.
I appreciate this website and I want to say a HUGE "thank you!!" to everyone who has shared their experiences and made it possible for me, as well as others, to find a natural treatment to help ourselves. I know this may not work for everyone because we are all different, but I am blessed that it was even an option and that it did work in my case. As someone posted earlier that she was her own guina pig, I agree. :-) I would rather be my own guina pig.
I did get some petty spurge seeds, but I am waiting until cooler weather to plant them. It is soooo HOT here in Alabama and I don't want them to die before they get a chance to sprout. I will notify everyone at some point if they grow well this winter and I will hopefully have some seeds to share. :-)
@ HereIsHelp - Thanks for your info about the scabbing issue. I kind of muddled through it with limited knowledge, but I think it turns out I did right, according to what you have posted. Your info and wisdom as a nurse who worked for a dermatologist is very helpful.
Thanks again to everyone for all of the great information posted here.
Karen
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anivoc
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Posted - 08/06/2012 : 20:46:13
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| Karen wow! Congratulations... now the big question...did you document with pictures? If you did please post before and afters and in between's if you have them.it really helps provide "proof of the pudding" |
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busymom
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Posted - 08/06/2012 : 23:57:35
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| @ Anivoc -- Yes! I actually did take pictures. Not a whole lot, but some. I had intended to do it every day, but I wasn't that diligent. Anyway, I'm with you -- I like to see pics, too, because it just helps to really "see" what's it's all about and to be sure the testimony is real. However. the pics were on my daughter's camera and she dropped her camera in the pool a while back. But maybe she had taken them off before she drowned it. :-( I can't believe I forgot to ask her. I will check with her tomorrow and post back, either with pics or with the sad news they they aren't available. Somehow, I now feel like I'm giving the excuse that "the dog ate my homework!!" LOL!! |
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CarlosinReston
USA
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Posted - 08/17/2012 : 13:52:43
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Hi All,
This week, I’ve been diagnosed as having a BCC lesion and a pre-cancerous actinic keratosis lesion. The BCC is in outer ear canal of my left ear (see picture), oddly enough. I’ve probably have had it for a couple of years at least. I just didn’t know it was there. The AK lesion is on my left arm.
Of course, when I found out I had skin cancer; I panicked and started learning all I could about BCC and treatments. I came across this forum and topic specifically. Thanks to all that have posted.
I will be beginning topical treatment of a saturated Vitamin C solution on both lesions and will post updates with photographs.
One immediate question: I bought powdered, buffered ascorbic acid, but have seen in an online article (http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer02/VitaminC.html) that only the mineral ascorbate form of Vitamin C (e.g. sodium ascorbate) is effective. Have I wasted my money? Should I buy this other kind of Vitamin C powder?
Thank you.
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Posted - 08/17/2012 : 14:23:57
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Carlos, my alternative doctor told me to use powdered ascorbic acid. Not buffered. I use Allergy Research Group brand.
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CarlosinReston
USA
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Posted - 08/17/2012 : 14:35:16
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Carlos, my alternative doctor told me to use powdered ascorbic acid. Not buffered. I use Allergy Research Group brand.
I would think the location of that BCC would make it difficult to treat with vit C, but good luck.
Thanks Gloe. Yeah, it was hard for the ENT to get at it to do a biopsy. Fortunately, my wife will be able to do the treatments there for me. I would have a tough time seeing the lesion and applying the treatments by myself. |
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hot in texas
USA
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Posted - 08/17/2012 : 17:34:12
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I live in Texas where the sun is hot and ferocious and so the chance of developing skin cancer here is great. I had Mohs surgery on 2 BCCs on my face several years ago and didn't want to go that route again when I spotted one on the top of my head, if I didn't have to.
About 2 years ago, I came across a product called Perrin's Blend when I was looking for topical solutions to skin cancer when my husband developed 2 spots on his face. That product worked. The down side of using Perrin's Blend is that it is very slow to work... it took several months to remove the tumors with it and it is very messy. It stains whatever it comes in contact with and doesn't wash out.
Over the past summer, both my husband and I developed skin cancer again. We started using the Perrin's Blend again, but then I read about the Vitamin C treatment and decided to try it this time. I ordered the Life Extension's Buffered Vitamin C Powder and have been applying it to the cancer spots on our heads for about a week so far. It seems to be working. I have a BCC on my head where my hair is parted and he has two big ones on the top of his scalp(he is balding on top)and many rough spots that could become BCCs if left untreated. He also has one BCC on his right ear lobe. I usually put about 1 tablespoon of water in a glass jar and keep adding vitamin c powder until it becomes paste-like. Then I use a cotton swap to apply the paste to the spots and then refrigerate any paste that is left. I re-apply the vitamin c paste several times a day whenever I can. At first I was concerned because the solution has never burned either one of us when I have applied it and I was afraid that it wasn't working. However, it does seem to be shrinking the spots. The BCC on my head is crusting up and steadily shrinking daily. My husband's spots are responding a little slower because they were bigger to start with. One spot on the back of his head had what looked like a big red sore with like thin black strings coming out of it after 3 days of applying the paste. I cleaned the black off and then reapplied the paste to it and then covered it with a band aid. This morning it looks better and the red spot appears to be smaller and healing. The other spot on his head is now flat and seems to be healing also. The one on his ear is small but is also shrinking daily. Since he has so many rough places on his head, I usually swab the rest of his head with the paste to get rid of whatever I can. They all seem to be crusting up and healing too. So, I am very pleased with the progress the vitamin C has made towards eradicating the BCCs. The nice thing about the Vitamin C is that it washes out with water and does't stain anything. I will let you know how it goes, but at this point I am anticipating a full recovery for both of us by the looks of the spots so far.
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busymom
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Posted - 08/18/2012 : 18:05:09
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Hey Everyone -- I am back to post pics of my forehead!! (I've got to figure this out) My daughter had loaded them onto her computer before she drowned it in the pool. LOL!! So, here are pics showing the progress of my forehead over about a 2 week time period, then pics after scabbing and scarring are all gone. I don't have pics of the actual "healing" time after the scab was off and it was only a scar. But after that scabbing was off, there was a reddish spot that was definitely noticeable for another few weeks. It was not sore or itchy or anything, just a red scar. Maybe I shouldn't even use the word "scar" because it was not scar tissue, but it was a red "spot" where the cancer had been and encompassed the whole treated area. I said above that it was about the size of a dime, but in looking back at the pictures now, I guess it was bigger than that. I do not have pics of the actual cancer before I started treating it. I wish I had taken pics of it, but just didn't think of it at the time. If I come across some pics of me just in general where it shows, I'll post those later. And please excuse how terrible I look in these pics. I wasn't feeling good in general, plus having this irritation on my forehead, so......
@ Carlos -- I hope it goes well with your ear and your arm. Definitely your wife will have to treat your ear. Just be careful not to get the vit. C down in your ear. I wouldn't think that would be good. As you'll see from the pics of my forehead, it grows beyond what the cancer is. I think it is similar to what black salve does, but not as severe and not so fast. My alternative care doc had advised me not to use black salve because she was afraid it would spread to my eye socket. Thankfully, the vit. C powder seems much more gentle and it stayed contained to my forehead. The Vit. C powder that I used is "pure ascorbic acid." I am wondering if that is why it burned, because HotInTexas above says that she is using buffered vit. C and she says it does not burn. Maybe both work. I guess it's another experiment on ourselves.
@ HotInTexas -- It sounds like it's going really well with you and your husband. I'll look forward to your updates.
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Posted - 08/18/2012 : 18:21:09
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hot in texas
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Posted - 08/18/2012 : 20:42:20
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I just posted yesterday for the first time after a week of the vitamin c treatment and today, the scab fell off the spot on my head. Now what was once raised and about the size of a pencil eraser is now flat and flesh colored once again. I can still feel a little roughness when I touch the spot and there is still a little dot in the middle of the spot but it looks great...compared to what it looked like just a week ago. I am going to keep applying the vitamin c paste to it until everything appears to be gone.
My husband's spots are still looking better. Today, the one on the back of his head had a blackish looking scab on it, which fell off when he took a shower. It looked a little raw tonight when I looked at it so I have decided to let it rest for a day or so and treat it with some aloe vera. Then I will proceed with the vitamin c paste again. I am using fresh aloe vera since I have some plants growing in my kitchen window. He still has a ways to go but I am seeing a response on his skin. I usually spread the vitamin c paste all over his head with a q-tip to get all the little spots that could turn into skin cancers later and then I put a heavy paste on the two main BCCs and cover them with a band-aid. I also apply a thin paste on the spots before he goes to work each day and put a heavier paste and cover them at night. I keep a thick paste on mine all the time which may be why mine is healing a little faster than his. I have never been able to cover my BCC with a band-aid because of the hair surrounding the spot...but it seems to be healing fine never-the-less. All and all I am still pleased with the progress that has taken place. As far as I can tell the buffered vitamin c doesn't cause any pain when applied, but works none-the-less. |
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CarlosinReston
USA
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Posted - 08/20/2012 : 08:05:16
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Originally posted by busymom
@ Carlos -- I hope it goes well with your ear and your arm. Definitely your wife will have to treat your ear. Just be careful not to get the vit. C down in your ear. I wouldn't think that would be good.
Hi Karen, thanks! I think that's a good tip, about being careful not to get that stuff into my ear canal. I hadn't thought of it.
Thank you for the pics and the good news of progress. It's encouraging. I ordered the Vitamin C powder last week, but haven't received it yet. Hopefully today. I'll post more pics after I start treatment.
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CarlosinReston
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2012 : 08:07:19
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Originally posted by hot in texas
I ordered the Life Extension's Buffered Vitamin C Powder and have been applying it to the cancer spots on our heads for about a week so far. It seems to be working.
That's the same thing I ordered. Hope it works for me too. Thanks for posting the pics and notes on your great progress!
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CarlosinReston
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2012 : 11:01:52
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Well, the Vitamin C that I had ordered (see pics below) arrived yesterday and last night, I mixed the powder with distilled water to form a paste. I had an experience, however, that differs from what I’ve seen posted on here and it’s making me wonder whether I have the right kind of Vitamin C powder.
I added about 1/8 of a teaspoon of distilled water to enough Vitamin C powder to make a paste. However, once I added the water, the powder started fizzing. That’s something I didn’t expect. Also, the paste never dried out once I had applied it. Instead, it became kind of a sticky, gooey substance on my skin. Also, it didn’t sting when I applied it to the BCC in my ear. If anything, it tickled a bit (possibly because it was still fizzing).
I haven’t read that anyone had a similar experience, and am wondering why mine differs. Any thoughts would be appreciated. I’d hate to have to buy another Vitamin C product, but will if it seems this stuff is not effective.
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busymom
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Posted - 08/22/2012 : 13:09:10
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Hey Carlos,
In looking at the pic you posted of your buffered vit. c, I noticed it has other ingredients - calcium, magnesium, zinc, & potassium. I am definitely no expert here, but I have read a lot of the threads on this website and I don't recall anyone using anything other than pure vit. c. The one that I used says "pure ascorbic acid" and there are no other ingredients. I can only vouch for the fact that mine worked. But the one you have chosen might work as well. Mine did dry up and leave "crystals" on my forehead, which stayed there even through napping and working around the house. Mine was not pastey or sticky or fizzy. You could just try yours for a couple of days and see what happens. If it doesn't start working, you can always get a different kind and use the one you have now to take internally. I read on one thread where someone taped or band-aided a vit. c tablet to the cancer spot. Others have crused tablets and used the powder. Just play around and see what works for you. I'm pretty sure you'll know when it's working!! :-)
Keep us posted. Have a great day!
Karen
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anivoc
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Posted - 08/22/2012 : 16:06:09
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Hi Karen,
Awesome! Thanks for the pictures...They are proof of the pudding!
This Vitamin C thing is amazing...Years ago long before I came to topical info I believe it was Dr. Weil ( don't quote me on that) that recommended using a combination of vitamin C and A mixed with DMSO.
It was early years of my battle with these lesions. It did not work on all of them but one that I believe was a BCC just shrunk up and became a indented white spot. My dermatologist had never seen anything like it and this is a guy who had 20 years as a derm. The combo didn't work on the big ones but maybe it was just that I didn't hit them long enough or hard enough. I am currently using a diluted version of just Trader Joes Vitamin C crystals and water and it is causing all kinds of havoc in areas I did not think I still had problems.
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hot in texas
USA
6 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2012 : 17:30:58
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Carlos,
You are using the exact same vitamin c that I am using. It does fizz when you add the vitamin C powder to water. I put in a tablespoon of water and then keep adding powder until it looks white and milky like a paste. I just wait a couple of minutes until the majority of the fizzing subsides and then I apply it with a q-tip on and around the the spot as thick as I can. I apply it as many times a day as I can. I can't cover it with a band aid because it is in the part of my hair. I have never had pain when applying it. I have been applying the paste about a week and a half and what once was raised and the size of a pencil eraser is now flat and almost gone. I will continue to apply the paste until I don't see or feel anything. It is still a little rough, so I don't think it is time to quit yet.
I am also treating several places on my husband's head and one on his ear lobe. The one main spot on the back of his head is healing nicely and getting smaller every day. I am applying fresh aloe vera to it right now to give it a rest and to see if that is all that is needed now for that one. The other spot on the top of his head was much bigger originally, but is shrinking every day, so I will continue to treat it as well as the area all around it. I also put a thin coat of the paste all over his head as he has many small spots, that would probably eventually become a skin cancer, that have become more pronounced as I have applied the paste so I know it is working on them too. The paste has never burned him either, but works.
I am thrilled at the results that I am getting. Who knew something so relatively cheap and simple could work so well? Keep applying the paste. I think it will work for you too. It make take a little while, but eventually, I think it just might get rid of the BCC and heal the skin. Good luck. |
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hot in texas
USA
6 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2012 : 17:43:43
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Carlos,
I forgot to add, besides the fizzing...the vitamin c that I am using is also sticky when enough vitamin c is added to the water. When I apply it to the spot on my head, it forms a sticky paste which eventually hardens wherever you apply it. When I want to reapply, I just wet the area or take a shower and then re-apply the paste. I put any unused paste in the refrigerator in a closed class container. |
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hot in texas
USA
6 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2012 : 17:48:23
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Carlos,
You are using the same Vitamin C that I am using and it seems to be working for me. So, I think you should give it a try. |
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CarlosinReston
USA
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Posted - 08/24/2012 : 12:57:42
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Originally posted by hot in texas
Carlos, You are using the same Vitamin C that I am using and it seems to be working for me. So, I think you should give it a try.
Hi Hot in Texas,
Thanks for your messages. I was thinking of going to Whole Foods to see if they had pure Vitamin C powder, but then it occurred to me that I could just crush the Vitamin C tablets that I'm already taking orally each day and use the powdered tablets instead on my BCC. I'm not sure why I didn't think of it before (d'oh!). The tablets are each 1000 mgs of pure ascorbic acid.
So, that's what I did. It's working fine. I didn't like the fizzy effect in my ear. It tickled and the gooey stuff on my arm was a bit messy. So, I'm happier now with what I'm doing.
And with the Buffered Vitamin C powder that I'd bought from Life Extension, I'm now taking that orally. It actually tastes pretty good. It's got sort of a lemony flavor to it, and each rounded teaspoon is 4000 mg. I was already taking about five grams of Vitamin C each day in tablet form, and the powder is easier to take than the horse-size pills I was swallowing.
I will do this each day from now on and hope to get similar results to what you and others have experienced. I wish I could do it several times a day, but it's not really doable while I'm at work. I'll just do it a couple of times during the evening, and maybe in the morning too.
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hot in texas
USA
6 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2012 : 19:31:49
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Carlos,
Glad you found some form of Vitamin C that works for you. As of today, the BCC that used to be on my scalp is gone. My husband's head is looking better and better every day. I think all forms of Vitamin C seem to work, so it just depends on what seems to work best for each individual. The form I used is a little sticky, but it doesn't sting and gets rid of the problem. So I am thrilled! |
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CarlosinReston
USA
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Posted - 08/24/2012 : 23:08:42
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Originally posted by hot in texas
Carlos,Glad you found some form of Vitamin C that works for you. As of today, the BCC that used to be on my scalp is gone. My husband's head is looking better and better every day. I think all forms of Vitamin C seem to work, so it just depends on what seems to work best for each individual. The form I used is a little sticky, but it doesn't sting and gets rid of the problem. So I am thrilled!
I'm really happy for you! I think you're right. Any kind of Vitamin C seems to work. That's really amazing.
I'm looking forward to being able to report back on the difference using the treatment makes. For me, the ear lesion stings a little bit when I have the Vitamin C paste on there, but it's not too uncomfortable. I'm not feeling anything for the lesion on my arm, though, which is actinic keratosis (pre-cancer). Maybe since it's not cancer yet, it won't be affected in the same way as the BCC in my ear.
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CarlosinReston
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 08/31/2012 : 13:33:09
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UPDATE:
Hi all, here's an update. It's been about a week since I starting treating the BCC in my ear and the actinic keratosis (AK) on my arm. I've only been applying the Vitamin C paste once each day (at night before going to sleep). I guess the lesion in my ear must have bled at one point, because a crusty scab grew over it. I resisted scraping it off for several days and it finally came off by itself. The skin below it was reddish. I'm home from work today, so I just now applied the first application for today and will do it again tonight before going to bed. The area is stinging quite a bit. I'll try to have a picture taken and post it online within the next day or two. The AK on my arm was already pinkish and stings a little.
So, bottom line, it seems to be working, even though I've only been applying the Vitamin C once a day. I'll keep doing it and post pics soon.
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dolfan
USA
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Posted - 09/01/2012 : 07:17:32
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gavin
USA
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Posted - 09/03/2012 : 19:01:13
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Hi, all.
New to this forum but wanted to thank all for the helpful info on vitamin c for scc, esp thanks to busymom and hereishelp for all posts. I discovered a spot on my upper thigh that looked like an scc to me. While awaiting my derm appt, found this forum and followed the vit c instructions to the letter. Sure enough, after starting topical vit c on 9/1 I'm noticing it turning very black and flat. I can't describe how much of a game-changer it feels to be able to do something this helpful vs worrying and waiting to see the MD. I tried to take pics but my camera wouldn't go up close. Just wanted to thank everyone so much for this helpful forum. Much health to you all. Still will f/u w/my derm MD but can't wait to tell her abt this. |
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CarlosinReston
USA
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Posted - 09/04/2012 : 07:54:07
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Carlos, are you still using the buffered C?
Hi Dolfan, no, I'm no longer using the buffered C. I didn't like the fizzyness and stickiness on my skin. I'm now crushing tablets of 100 mg Ascorbic Acid. They're just pure Vitamin C. No additives. I'm taking the buffered C internally, and like it's lemony taste. :-)
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dolfan
USA
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Posted - 09/04/2012 : 14:28:23
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CarlosinReston
USA
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Posted - 09/04/2012 : 14:35:42
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Originally posted by dolfan
I rescheduled my MOH's surgery for my temple area. I figured that at least between know and then, that anything I use should give me a good idea as to where I stand after treating it topically.
Seems like a good idea to try topical treatments at first. A lot of people have had strongly positive results. For my BCC, I’ve had the lesion crust up twice, with each time the scab falls off, the lesion is smaller and lighter in color (it had been dark brown). I only apply the Vitamin C paste once a day. People have had dramatic and quick results in a matter of days when applying the paste multiple times throughout each day.
Good luck!
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anivoc
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Posted - 09/05/2012 : 09:19:27
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Interesting how vitamin C has suddenly really become a good succesful tool.
For those of you trying this method.... before , during and after PICTURES really help those coming here who are new, scared and unsure. Generally the medical community will poo poo these kind of approaches so it's hard to take the leap. Pictures are definitely worth a thousand words and though it's a little weird putting your face out on the net with skin cancer lesions it is amazing the power it has to help people overcome the fear of trying the alternative approaches.
I'm a bloodroot paste poster child and my pictures are gross but the end results pretty impressive. If it wasn't for all the people before me I would have not had the courage to try it myself. |
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EFabian
USA
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Posted - 09/12/2012 : 05:32:07
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Well The global demand for supplement vitamins is growing at a staggering rate.
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CarlosinReston
USA
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Posted - 09/15/2012 : 22:16:52
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For those of you trying this method.... before , during and after PICTURES really help those coming here who are new, scared and unsure. Generally the medical community will poo poo these kind of approaches so it's hard to take the leap. Pictures are definitely worth a thousand words and though it's a little weird putting your face out on the net with skin cancer lesions it is amazing the power it has to help people overcome the fear of trying the alternative approaches.
Here are two pics of the BCC lesion in my ear. I've been using a paste made with 100% Ascorbic Acid and distilled water, applied once a day (at night before going to bed).
This is the first one, taken when I began on August 5, 2012.
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As you can see, it's changed quite a bit. There's still something there, and I continue treating it once a day just before I go to sleep. During the past month, it crusted up twice, and the scab fell off mostly by itself, leaving pinkish skin beneath it.
The treatment stings a little, but it's not bad at all. I'm pleased with the results and will continue until it's completely gone.
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busymom
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Posted - 09/15/2012 : 23:23:50
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@ Carlos - Your ear is looking much better!! Looks like the vit. c is doing a great job. I am thinking that on the weekends, or whatever your days off are, you might want to try treating the spot two or three times a day. That might speed things along and the vit. c might attack the spot a little more aggressively. Just a thought, but it looks good anyway. Keep us posted.
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kam197
USA
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Posted - 09/30/2012 : 15:48:26
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Hello All - thank you sooooo much for all your diligent and thoughtful posts. I recently had a biopsy for a small crater (about a pencil head eraser size) I have had next to my nose for several months (I thought it was a zit I picked but then it never healed). It was diagnosed as basal cell carcinoma. I'm supposed to get Moh's but I'm going to try the Vitamin C regimen first. I have no idea how deep this thing goes and I was wondering if anyone knew if the Vitamin C thing worked only on extremely superficial carcinomas? Also, have I waited to long to try this?
Thanks for your help!
A special thanks to Here Is Help - much appreciated info coming from a nurse!
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HereIsHelp
USA
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Posted - 09/30/2012 : 20:38:41
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Hi Kam,
There is a plethora of information regarding the efficacy of vitamin C on many forms of cancer at VitaminCfoundation.org. Another resource was listed by a physician replying to a post on this site in 2007:
http://www.cancervictors.net/resources/news.asp?filteryear=2007&filtermonth=11
November 10, 2007
Topical Vitamin C Stops Basal Cell Carcinoma
Whereas this is generally true, diabetics with high blood sugar levels will likely not succeed in eliminating basal cell carcinomas with Vitamin C.
If you do not see a response within a few days of applying vitamin C onto your lesion, there is another alternative to MOH's surgery. Imiquimod is an immune modulated topical medication that will kill cancer cells without affecting healthy surrounding tissue. It's a prescription medication that is pretty expensive but your insurance should cover most of it.
I had basal cells pop up on both my arms at the same time and decided to try the imiquimod. It has to be applied twice daily for 45 days but I am now cancer-free. The cancerous tissue will turn bright red and may slough off. Once the creme is absorbed, an oil based makeup will hide the redness. Make sure you wear good sunscreen as this area will be very photosenstive. I slathered vitamin E on the sites every night after the med was absorbed and really had no sloughing, the skin stayed hydrated and it also helps in preventing scarring.
You're correct in being concerned about the underlying size of the cancer. It can be quite a bit larger than the external lesion and they won't know until the biopsy is clear of cancer. I have seen patients undergo four biopsies before it showed clear. Moh's would be my choice of last resort especially given that this area is on your nose.
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kam197
USA
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Posted - 10/01/2012 : 12:07:39
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| Here Is Help - thanks so much for the info! My lesion is definitely responding to the Vit C but I'm also going to talk to my doc about the Imiquimod. Seems some docs are quick to cut (perhaps to cover themselves). After the topical treatment(s), I'll get another biopsy to be safe. I'll post my progess. |
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kam197
USA
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Posted - 10/01/2012 : 13:03:30
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Question to anyone who has done Vitamin C treatment for BCC on the face...
If I've read correctly, the paste should not harm healthy tissue. I put the paste on an area slightly larger than the lesion and it appears that the lesion has turned black along with more skin around the lesion. I trust this means the Vitamin has 'found' the rest of the BCC and is working on it? Or can the Vit C turn good skin black? Thanks for any help.
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HereIsHelp
USA
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Posted - 10/01/2012 : 14:56:10
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Kam,
Hello again. As I'm sure you know, Vitamin C is a powerful antioxidant and therefore cannot harm skin. In fact, it is very beneficial to apply vitamin C to the skin underneath your sunscreen to effectively reverse any free radical damage that the sunscreen may not block. Free radical damage is what causes squamous and basal cell carcinoma as well as melanoma.
You hit the nail on the head with your comment: "I trust this means the Vitamin has 'found' the rest of the BCC and is working on it". I would recommend extending the border of treatment until the skin no longer reacts to the vitamin C. Otherwise, you will find that the BCC will return.
If this site goes deep, you may need to treat the area a couple of times before it is completely clear. This is purely my opinion (no medical data to back it up) but I would do two weeks on, allow it to heal, and if it returns do another course of two weeks. That should do it. The rationale of allowing a break in therapy is to prevent a large amount of scabrous tissue to form which can leave you with a scar.
Incidentally, there are dermal fillers that a plastic surgeon can use to fill the crater once it is healed, too. They're not too expensive and there is one that does not get reabsorbed by the body. I do not recommend using this particular dermal filler for wrinkles but for something like this, it could work very nicely to make the crater disappear. If you are considering doing this, do not go to anybody but a plastic surgeon. There are horror stories out there pertaining to people trying to save a little bit of money and being badly scarred by a practitioner that hasn't received more than a one week in-service on how to do it.
I'm glad to hear the Vitamin C is working for you and you probably will not need to use the Imiquimod. Nevertheless, it's good to know that there is a back-up, right? |
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kam197
USA
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Posted - 10/01/2012 : 17:14:53
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Thanks again!
More questions... I've read online that the imiquimod is only for superficial BCCs (which are on the trunk of the body, not the face). I'm sure I'll find out if that's the case on Friday when I meet with the doc on that.
Mine seems to match the photos online of a "noduloulcerative" BCC.
More worrying however is that I also read that a BCC sore may be just the 'tip of the iceberg', that there could be a lot of cancer under there. If this area heals with the Vit C, should I get some sort of deep biopsy? A punch biopsy? Or is there a needle aspirant or something?
Thanks again.
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jomac30
USA
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Posted - 11/26/2012 : 10:23:58
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| I was diagnosed with BCC on my lower eyelid for the 6th time. Now the mohs surgeon want to use Carac for 60 days instead of doing surgery. This is scary. It says not to use Carac near eyes. What can I do? |
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busymom
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Posted - 11/26/2012 : 19:56:36
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Hi Jomac,
I'm sorry, but I have no idea about cancer on the eyelid. That is definitely a sensitive spot. Hopefully someone else here on the forum will have some thoughts or info about that. I'm praying for you to find a solution to this. Best wishes to you.
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HereIsHelp
USA
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Posted - 01/16/2013 : 06:28:55
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Jomac,
You may want to investigate a new therapy called Phosphorus-32. It is a form of radiation that will not affect underlying tissues. It is a patch that is designed to the dimensions of your particular BCC. The initial clinical trial of 8 patients revealed 100% efficacy! This therapy is very rapid and is specifically for difficult to treat facial cancers of the eyelids and nose. There was no scarring, too. Dr. George Segall, head of Nuclear Medicine at Stanford U gave a presentation on this treatment in June, 2012.
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Originally posted by jomac30
I was diagnosed with BCC on my lower eyelid for the 6th time. Now the mohs surgeon want to use Carac for 60 days instead of doing surgery. This is scary. It says not to use Carac near eyes. What can I do?
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jomac30
USA
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Posted - 01/16/2013 : 13:50:52
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| I think I left out an important detail about my basal cell cancers. They usually cannot be seen on my skin. I can tell when it's there because the skin gets very itchy. The dermatologist and the Moh's surgeon think I'm crazy when I go in and ask for a biopsy on an area where they can't see anything. They make me draw a circle where i want the biopy. Then they shake their heads and say, "it's nothing but I'll do the biopsy just to make you feel better" They are surprised when it comes out positive. How would I put a cream on something that isn't visible to the naked eye? Has anyone else experienced "invisible" or "hidden" basal cell cancers? |
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HereIsHelp
USA
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Posted - 01/17/2013 : 15:00:25
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It is not very common but some BCC's will be clear or white in coloration. However, I can assure you that if you apply a small amount of vitamin C liquid (or liposomal C) that dries quickly to avoid issues with your cornea and sclera, the site will turn red pretty quickly. Pharmaceutical therapy for basal cell CA advises that you extend the lotion slightly beyond the area that is noticeably affected and the same holds true for Vitamin C application as the cancer usually is larger in the dermal layer. It is possible that attempting to apply Vitamin C to the site prior to MOH's may change the tissue. I know that one of my more stubborn BCC's was diagnosed as squamous cell when it returned and the Dermatologist biopsied it. I just stuck with the Vitamin C daily for 2 months and it finally got it.
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Originally posted by jomac30
I think I left out an important detail about my basal cell cancers. They usually cannot be seen on my skin. I can tell when it's there because the skin gets very itchy. The dermatologist and the Moh's surgeon think I'm crazy when I go in and ask for a biopsy on an area where they can't see anything. They make me draw a circle where i want the biopy. Then they shake their heads and say, "it's nothing but I'll do the biopsy just to make you feel better" They are surprised when it comes out positive. How would I put a cream on something that isn't visible to the naked eye? Has anyone else experienced "invisible" or "hidden" basal cell cancers?
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dolfan
USA
39 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2013 : 07:03:10
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| I have been using "Solaray" vitamin C powder from Whole Foods market and have been having intense reaction to it on a couple of spots. One has scabbed over but is going to need a lot more work to knock out. The stuff is pure ascorbic acid with no fillers and no excipients.....what ever that means LOL. The first time I used it, I did not feel anything and thought that it was not worth my time. I then kept reapplying it and then the burning took of and all hell broke loose. The spot bleed and turned black, then brown. I think it is going to take a long time to knock it out completely, but I feel that at least I have something to use that I know is causing a reaction. I will keep you guys posted. |
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anivoc
449 Posts |
Posted - 01/27/2013 : 11:09:54
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HI Dolfan,
Cool!
I am using a mixture of Vitamin C, baking soda, MMS and zinc cloride....YIKES!
I apply it in a liquid form once a day on some major BCC. It burns as bad as Bloodroot paste, maybe worse for about 20-30 minutes..then it subsides..IT has actually made me sick / nauseous from the Ouch factor...but IT is shrinking some of these and smaller ones without a doubt..I've been messing with several recipes and just holding my lesions at bay..for sure I am finally going in a positive direction again. When I realized things were starting to work I snapped some pictures and will try to do a weekly picture update as a record. If this protocol works I'll post, but to be honest I don't think I'd recommend this for most people because it is just too painful. I am going to continue through to see if I get the kill. THink I am going to on this one. It doesn't burn on small bumps just open sores and works on both..It's the open sore burn that feels like a hot cigarette burning you that makes me just dread doing this each day. |
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anivoc
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Follysurfer
USA
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Posted - 02/21/2013 : 15:53:37
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This Vitamin C stuff is causing some really strong reactions to me. I'm using the Ascorbate form since I heard it is less caustic and is the ingredient responsible for killing the cancer not the acid. Anyway, had a small spot on my chest that I was working on, and decided, hey why not just smear it all over my chest...well, it broke out like poison ivy or something. Welps, itching, etc. the only relief was to take an extremely hot shower.
Has anyone else experienced this type of reaction? Small red bumps, some welps, and alot of itching..have to stop for now and apply calamine and topical antihistamine. My wife says I look like I got Leprosy! |
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Goldfinger
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2013 : 22:57:17
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| I had a basal Cell growth on my chest for several years. It would itch and cause me trouble on occasion. I finally got serious about it several months ago. I crushed up vitamin C tablets into a fine powder, mixed with Hydrogen Peroxide to create a tacky paste. I would apply it twice per day. At first the pain got worse, and the growth actually burst open at one point, and some black stuff ooozed out. The center of the mass healed. However, the borders continued to itch. I grew weary of fighting this little devil. Over time the paste slowly pounded away at the growth. I can now apply apply the paste with no sting or pain after the application. I'm quite sure the growth has lost the battle. This stuff really works, but you have to go through the pain. It takes a long time to heal. You have to be mentally tough, and keep fighting the little skin devil. |
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gloe
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Posted - 03/02/2013 : 09:02:45
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I am adding my 2 cents because something unusual has happened.
I have had a "trouble area" on the side of my nose for a few years. Not an open sore, just a small bump that would not go away.
Twice in the past I used Vit C paste once a day (leaving it on all night). After just a few days I would get a thick scab, very much burning and redness in the whole area, so I stopped and let the scab fall off naturally. Then I would have no problems in ther area for about a year. Then I would get a rough patch of skin; retreat, get a scab after a few days of the paste, then gone.
This time, I got another bump and let it go too long before retreating with vit C. When I did start with the C, Rather than use the paste, I made a solution of vit C powder (pure ascorbic acid powder from Allergy Research Group) kept adding more until it would no longer dissolve any more C. I was swiping the area 2-3 times a day. Kept it in the fridge in a glass bottle. Doing this a very large area got very red and was slowly forming a thin scab.
Since it was so slow going, I switched to the paste, making it fresh at night and leaving it on all night, washing it off in the morning and just putting the vit C water on the area during the day (so I don't have to walk around with a glob of paste on my face.)
Last night was the third night I used the paste. I got up and my mother told me my face was black. I washed my face and I had a large black scab over the treated area. I never got any black scab or skin before using the vit C paste. I was scared at this and I read the post from the derm nurse who said black is necrotic cancer (dead) and should be removed because it contains toxins. So I did try to remove the scab, got most of it off. My face looks a mess. This is the first time I picked at a scab for the vit C treatment, and I can say I regret it. My face is open and burning. The black scab didn't look great either, but at least it didn't hurt. I think I should have just put more C paste on it and really get aggressive with the thing like never before.
There is no way I will let a doc cut this cancer out because it seems like the affected area is very large. Much larger than I thought, as I only had a tiny area of scaly skin, no bigger than an pencil eraser. Now I have a huge area going from the side on my nose (starting almost at the top of my nose) down into my cheek.
People say the vit C and other topical treatments will find hidden skin cancer. That certainly seems to be true.
I am going to let this heal for a few days then hit with the paste again and not pick off any scabs, no matter what color.
The reaon I waited so long this time before retreating with vit C was because I was using orange oil on the area for quite a while. 2 -3 times a day, with Now brand orange oil. It never did sting or burn or get any reaction at all so I wasn't sure it was cancer. I also thought the orange oil would act as a treatment even if it was cancer. Well, the area got worse during the time I used the orange oil, so it obviously did not work for me, not even as an indicator of cancer.
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HereIsHelp
USA
6 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2013 : 12:36:49
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Hi Gloe,
I would highly advise you to consult with a dermatologist. Nodular basal cell carcinoma, if left untreated for an extensive period, can invade underlying tissue. In my opinion, the key to successful treatment of BCC's with Vitamin C are as follows:
1. Treat the affected skin immediately and continue for 2 weeks after you note the disappearance of the cancerous tissue.
2. Treat the surrounding tissue, too. Remember that the cancer starts subdermal and spreads to the surface. Therefore, the smallest area will be what you can see.
3. Covering the site will allow more of the vitamin C to absorb because less will evaporate. HOWEVER, provided that you use sufficient potency of the paste, six to eight hours should be sufficient. During the daytime hours, I would highly recommend applying aquafor jelly to the site and keep it covered. This will prevent scabbing and discourage necrosis as it gently removes dying cancerous tissue. Do not use an antibiotic ointment as this can cause scarring. Due to its acidity, Vitamin C generally prevents infection.
4. I know pulling off the scab is very tempting but, as you now realize, it should never be done. Point # 3 completely prevents scabbing from taking place.
Gloe, it is possible that the cancer goes deeper than the dermal layer. If that is the case, surgery is absolutely the best option and, with plastic surgery, it is likely that it won't be disfiguring.
Good luck. I will be praying for you!
I am adding my 2 cents because something unusual has happened.
I have had a "trouble area" on the side of my nose for a few years. Not an open sore, just a small bump that would not go away.
Twice in the past I used Vit C paste once a day (leaving it on all night). After just a few days I would get a thick scab, very much burning and redness in the whole area, so I stopped and let the scab fall off naturally. Then I would have no problems in ther area for about a year. Then I would get a rough patch of skin; retreat, get a scab after a few days of the paste, then gone.
This time, I got another bump and let it go too long before retreating with vit C. When I did start with the C, Rather than use the paste, I made a solution of vit C powder (pure ascorbic acid powder from Allergy Research Group) kept adding more until it would no longer dissolve any more C. I was swiping the area 2-3 times a day. Kept it in the fridge in a glass bottle. Doing this a very large area got very red and was slowly forming a thin scab.
Since it was so slow going, I switched to the paste, making it fresh at night and leaving it on all night, washing it off in the morning and just putting the vit C water on the area during the day (so I don't have to walk around with a glob of paste on my face.)
Last night was the third night I used the paste. I got up and my mother told me my face was black. I washed my face and I had a large black scab over the treated area. I never got any black scab or skin before using the vit C paste. I was scared at this and I read the post from the derm nurse who said black is necrotic cancer (dead) and should be removed because it contains toxins. So I did try to remove the scab, got most of it off. My face looks a mess. This is the first time I picked at a scab for the vit C treatment, and I can say I regret it. My face is open and burning. The black scab didn't look great either, but at least it didn't hurt. I think I should have just put more C paste on it and really get aggressive with the thing like never before.
There is no way I will let a doc cut this cancer out because it seems like the affected area is very large. Much larger than I thought, as I only had a tiny area of scaly skin, no bigger than an pencil eraser. Now I have a huge area going from the side on my nose (starting almost at the top of my nose) down into my cheek.
People say the vit C and other topical treatments will find hidden skin cancer. That certainly seems to be true.
I am going to let this heal for a few days then hit with the paste again and not pick off any scabs, no matter what color.
The reaon I waited so long this time before retreating with vit C was because I was using orange oil on the area for quite a while. 2 -3 times a day, with Now brand orange oil. It never did sting or burn or get any reaction at all so I wasn't sure it was cancer. I also thought the orange oil would act as a treatment even if it was cancer. Well, the area got worse during the time I used the orange oil, so it obviously did not work for me, not even as an indicator of cancer.
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anivoc
449 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2013 : 08:46:55
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Well I am having success to some degree..In some cases very PAINFUL success but success nonetheless.
I am not suggesting anyone use the concoction I am using! On open wounds this burns as bad as Bloodroot paste or anything else I have used other than a red hot iron poker. But for knowledge and consideration of what I am using here goes.
I am applying a mixture of vitamin C crystals from Trader Joes mixed with Baking soda ( 2 parts Vit C, 1 part Baking Soda, 3 parts water)I measure this using a level teaspoon, MMS ( @ 27% sodium Chlorite 73% water) and a 50% solution of Zinc chlroide and water.
In all mixtures I am using purified water.
I mix the Vit c and baking soda together in a coffee cup, add the water ( it starts to bubble) then microwave it for @ 30 secods to liquify it. I then add just a few drops of "everclear" grain alcohol to it to help preserve it.
I mix the various liquids in larger amounts and keep them in glass bottles. I uses empty Visine bottles to keep the solutions handy in the medicine cabinet..Just pop off the dropper top part, fill and pop the dropper head back on.
The mixture is 1 part MMS, 1 part Zinc Chloride and 3 parts Vit C and Baking Soda. I have a tile countertop so I usually just clean a tile then mix the solution there. I then apply on any trouble spots.
Small aks and bcc's that are not open wounds may get red but don't burn or anything. On these the solution definitelyis shrinking them and over a long period of time eradicating them. Probably one of th most impressive ones it has nearly eliminated was what I belie to have been a BCC on my lower lip. I could feel a half pea sized bump that hurt when I bit down on it. It would open up off an on and bleed. The pea sized bump is gone and the area does not hurt any more..this particular problem area was smooth and EZ.. I just wish it worked as painlessly on the big open wounds.. not so much ;(
I started this protocol without the Zinc Chloride about 3 months ago.
It was by chance that I had a small bcc on my face that I could not get to stop bleeding. I had found that applying a little zinc chloride would help stop the bleeding so I added a few crystals to some Vitc C juice and applied to the bleeder. It stopped the bleeding and the BCC turned white..yep like with the bloodroot. And it burned. Only difference was under these conditions unlike with bloodroot paste the effect was only superficial..it did not go deep and kill all the bad tissue just the top layer.
So...I started adding the zinc Chloride to my daily mix....YIKES! Now it really burned.. Zinc Chloride is caustic and will burn healthy skin in a strong enough solution. Diluted not so much..
Well when I realized this was looking like it might work I snapped pictures ..some with a ruler to show size and marched forward. so before and after will come when I have reached ..after
It has been about 3 weeks..IT burns BAD I take 3 ibuprofen @ 20 minutes before I treat. I have 4 area I am treating. A nearly 2 inch nodular on my forehead...a much smaller nodular on my forehead a pea sized one on my ear and a very good sized one on my shoulder.
Well I believe I may have been getting somewhere VERY slowly pre zinc Chloride... I am definitely getting somewhere post zinc chloride.
The shoulder one is half its size and thus does not burn as bad as it did. The smaller one on my forehead continues to shrink and hurts less and less...
The ear one is shrinking but is still very much there...It is not an open wound most often just a bump that gets flakey ..but it is getting smaller.
On all of these larger lesions I apply the concoction, let it dry out a bit over 10 minutes as I writhe in pain and then put some of my homemade beeswax / coconut oil slave on it and cover with micro pore tape.
OK the good and bad news on the big daddy 2" lesion... I am eradicating it.. It is slowly dissipating..It is a big open wound. I was curious why in the early part of this new protocol it was not hurting as much as the shoulder one...not so any more..I think the nerves where just not getting hit yet.. Now that I am really eating away at this it hurts REALLY bad...and causes pain all the way back to the back of my head..scary... The skin looks healthy on my scalp but it is very tender ... I am hoping, praying this is not a sign that the BCC has spread underneath the scalp..The first few times the pain went away after a few hours... now the scalp is tender throughout the day..It is not red and looks healthy but is tender to the touch and just slightly aches. Maybe it is just nerves reacting maybe not..
This did happen on the smaller one on my forehead, it would radiate out about an inch.. this has stopped... I am hoping and praying as I continue forward the same happens with this..
Please keep me in your prayers as I trudge forward.
All the best!
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gloe
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Posted - 03/04/2013 : 09:28:53
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I've ordered a couple of different kinds of vit C to experiment with taking orally as I continue to treat topically with just the pure ascorbic acid powder. Also ordered Allergy Research Group brand Glucose Tolerance to lower my blood sugar. My fasting blood sugar is on the high side of normal (though I rarely eat anything with sugar in it). I just read an entire book about vit C and the author did say that it is poorly absorbed if you have high blood sugar.
My face did quickly form new scabs. Looks either black or maybe very dark red. I am using just the vit C water solution now a few times a day. It burns a little as it penetrates the scab. So it is still getting treated while I give myself a rest from the paste routine. Then will hit it again with the paste. |
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gloe
16 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2013 : 12:46:15
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HereIsHelp, I just saw your post in reply to mine. Thanks for the advice about the aquaphor and the continuous treatment. I am going to get aggressive with this with the topical C plus oral C. Also taking pancreatic enzymes orally on an empty stomach; eating lots of veggies, no meat (just eggs, a little cheese, lots of beans).
I don't want surgery. Given the area that is reacting to the vit C, I think surgery would be devasting. It is right in front of my face. |
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logicman
USA
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Posted - 03/08/2013 : 16:58:16
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Re http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer02/VitaminC.html quoted below.
I made a batch of Na C6H7O6 (sodium ascorbate) saturated 500g/L serum as follows:
Put 15g AA in a measuring cup. Add enough distilled water to bring up to 30 mL. Then add about 7g NaHCO3 (baking soda). Stir a few times. When it stops bubbling off CO2 and is clear pour into amber bottle and store in refrig. I am applying to a biopsied SCC after first applying DMSO. DMSO is a penetration enhancer that will be in your blood stream in 15 minutes pulling in small molecules less than 1000 daltons. Ascorbate has a molecular weight of 175.
BTW somebody put their serum in microwave. Heat above say 115 destroys the ascorbate.
Ran across this phase at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9703900
"These data suggests that cell death might not be simply induced by the intracellular incorporation of ascorbate, but rather initiated by the rapid elevation of intracellular Ca2+ concentration"
Suggest to me to try CaAscorbate.
" Topical vitamin c does kill basal cell carcinomas. It doesn't matter what cation you have coupled with the ascorbate, it is the ascorbate that does the killing. I have used ascorbic acid, sodium ascorbate, C-salts, and buffered C from Life Extension Foundation. They all are effective.
The solution is saturated which means no more of the vitamin c will dissolve in the solution. The saturated solution will contain about 500mg vitamin c/ml. The amount of vitamin c in the blood after IV infusion of 15 grams of vitamin c in about 1.2mg/ml. A 60 gram infusion will produce a blood level of 3.0mg/ml. Tumors begin to die when levels of about 2.0mg/ml are reached. |
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anivoc
449 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2013 : 03:39:37
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Hi Logicman..
You mention heat above 115 degrees destroys the ascorbate..I have seen mention of it on different sites but never seen factual evidence or heard a legitimate explanation of how it would destroy the effectiveness of it. Do you have any info on this?
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trueson
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Posted - 03/17/2013 : 06:42:12
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I have been using a sodium ascorbate solution 3 times per day on a BCC on the edge of my lower eyelid for about 3 weeks now and I have noticed no real change to the BCC. If anything, it may have become slightly larger but not by alot. Should I expect to have seen some change by 3 weeks? |
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BBirdz
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Posted - 03/19/2013 : 00:14:08
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ANyone ever have the Vitamin C solution turn black? I bought magnesium ascorbate and mixed it with reverse osmosis water. I used the directions @ cancer tutor site. Within a minute it began turning grey and then completely black shortly after. I dumped that and tried mixing it with aloe. It turned black instantly. I presume this is oxidation? If so that would render it useless or even toxic I think. Maybe this particular mineral ascorbate just doesn't work?
Also should I have used distilled water or will reverse osmosis water work as well?
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anivoc
449 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2013 : 16:04:49
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Bbirdz
Nope using the Trader Joes Crystals just turns a little orange / yellow |
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