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skinnygirl1
USA
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 Posted - 11/22/2009 : 12:11:55
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I'm new, but I have been reading this site for a couple of weeks.
Calling all people who have successfully treated facial BCC and kerotosis with Vitamin C. I started this treatment on Thursday, today is Sunday. I have a diagnosed BCC and a large keratosis under neath it, the keratosis is the size of a quarter and the BCC is about 5 mm.
I am using ascorbic acid crystals purchased from Swanson. I started out by puting the Vitamin C only on the BCC spot, which is small, but apparently the whole keratosis, including areas I did not even know were there are becoming involved. I am experiencing now a very large spot the size of a quarter or a little bigger of white/gray depression and a quarter inch ring around it that is very red and swollen. This red area is very painful to the touch. This thing looks very mad and is 10 times the size of my original spot. HELP... Also it is very swollen, the area is about an inch and a half below my right eye and my eye area are swelling.
So here's the deal, should I continue with the Vitamin C solution on the "White-depressed" area today, or should I lay off for a day to let this thing calm down. Also, any an encouragement about the fact that this thing will eventually heal and not leave a ginormous scar, would also be helpful : )
thank you in advance.
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jbprof
USA
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Posted - 11/24/2009 : 12:16:27
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Having done Vitamin C treatment on an upper-back BCC, I can tell you that it did cause any scarring for me. I am not sure I would do Vitamin C again though because of the long drawn out weeks of pain. The treatment certainly killed off cancerous cells, but it did not 'cure' the lesion per se. What I did get as about shrinkage of the lesion and about 3 months of no growth after stopping the Vitamin C treatment.
I can't recall how long I kept up treatment for, but I did it two separate times over an 18 month span. This effectively kept the lesion in check.
My only recommendation would be to take a week off ocassionally. During these off periods, the skin in/around the lesion would harden and fall off. This included a blackened ring of skin around the margins of the lesion. The margins of this legion were always more problematic than the center. I attribute this to the fact that the center of the lesion was mostly removed during the biopsy.
Overall, I would probably try other treatments vs. the Vitamin C approach in the future. This is primarily due to the long drawn out nature of this treatment type coupled with pain. If I am going to have that sort of pain, I will elect a more dramatic treatment like bloodroot or petty spurge. |
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skinnygirl1
USA
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Posted - 12/02/2009 : 11:28:49
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| Well, things are looking much better. I started this process two weeks ago, and I am now down to a small scab that is about twice the size of the original spot. It is definitely still healing. No scarring around the area and the swelling has gone down. |
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skinnygirl
USA
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Posted - 12/23/2009 : 09:59:29
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The orginal lesion is completely closed, but a second one opened up right next to it that is twice as big. But, now I have confidence that what I am doing is going to work. Amazing. Using, Vitamin C, neosporin and aloe vera.
Thanks everyone for all the interesting posts. |
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Grace2Go
USA
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Posted - 12/25/2009 : 20:30:29
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I am very happy to hear that this treatment is working for you. I have a couple of questions about the process.
1) Has the pain you mentioned lasted for the duration of the treatment, or did it calm down after awhile?
1) Also, have you experienced any itching with the healing process?
Thanks!
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Originally posted by skinnygirl
The orginal lesion is completely closed, but a second one opened up right next to it that is twice as big. But, now I have confidence that what I am doing is going to work. Amazing. Using, Vitamin C, neosporin and aloe vera.
Thanks everyone for all the interesting posts.
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skinnygirl
USA
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Posted - 01/04/2010 : 10:38:26
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Now the additional spot is completely closed except for two little dots. There is no scarring and no other residual effects excepts for dryness. The pain is bad when you are putting on the vitamen c wet. After it dries, it subsides. But everytime you treat it, more pain. You have to be able to self induce pain. I actually took a q-tip and dug into the lesion with the vitamin c. This really sped things up and I got well a lot quicker. I only had moderate itching. I recommend getting a real aloe vera plan, the thin with spotted stalks. It also increased the healing significantly.
Take care all. |
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Grace2Go
USA
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Posted - 01/04/2010 : 11:12:17
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Thank you for the update, I'm so glad to hear you've had such great results! It must be a huge relief to see the bcc almost gone!
I'm familiar with self-inducing pain, and have to do that almost daily in the cleaning/peeling process of my bcc. I just wanted to know ahead of time what to expect, so I can plan the applications accordingly. I've made the mistake of putting something very painful on at bedtime, then ended up being awake most of the night while it burned or stung, then itched like poison ivy.
Wishing you a cancer-free 2010,
Grace2Go
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Originally posted by skinnygirl
Now the additional spot is completely closed except for two little dots. There is no scarring and no other residual effects excepts for dryness. The pain is bad when you are putting on the vitamen c wet. After it dries, it subsides. But everytime you treat it, more pain. You have to be able to self induce pain. I actually took a q-tip and dug into the lesion with the vitamin c. This really sped things up and I got well a lot quicker. I only had moderate itching. I recommend getting a real aloe vera plan, the thin with spotted stalks. It also increased the healing significantly.
Take care all.
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skinnygirl
USA
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Posted - 01/04/2010 : 12:39:58
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grace2go,
Here's what I did, I ordered the straight ascorbic acid (powder form)from Swanson or it can be gotten just about any health food store. I put a teaspoon or so in a small cup and then took a Qtip and "scooped" up the wet powder, not the liquid, on the end of the Q tip and set the "blob" of C right onto the spot. If your lesion is closed, you will need to wet it many times a days to get it open, as the vitamin c will dry very quickly. Don't let the water run down your face as it is acid and can stir up some stuff that you might not want to deal with right now.
Now, I wet the powder or put on new powder at least 10 times a day at the beginning. Be prepared, this will probably turn into a huge legion. Mine went from a 5mm circle closed lesion, to at least a 20 mm open lesion that would scab over and puss and bleed. I was terrified. Because it was so unslightly I kept it covered when at work, but it is not really necessary. At least once a day or more wash it completely and put on the aloe vera, I also used neosporin, but it will make the scab very slimy.
Over time it just kept getting smaller and smaller. The covering or scab came off many times. This does work. It can take some patience cause just when you think you are done, it flare up right next to it.
If you have any questions, don't hesitate to write, I'm here for you. |
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dan
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Posted - 01/05/2010 : 00:51:14
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skinnygirl, good job! It takes courage to keep going when it looks like things are getting worse. I wonder what is up with the two little dots that you mentioned because the same thing has happened to me before especially with fast growing lesions. Maybe they are somehow double ones or have polarity like a magnet.
Now that it is tiny, you might consider switching to a round of orange oil to see if it is really gone. |
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skinnygirl
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2010 : 12:50:13
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| Thanks Dan. The two new spots are not near the original lesion which is so weird. I had a very big kerotosis and sun damage in that area and exactly symetrical on the other cheek. I remember the two days that damage was done when I was 15 years old. Two days in a row to the lake, double sun burn, all to see a boy, I still remember his name, but he probably doesn't remember me. Go figure. Also, I've led a pretty stressful life and haven't been a stickler about my health. This was a wakeup call for me about taking better care of myself so that I don't have these things, in this case BCC, that stop me in my tracks. My husband is a Chiropractic Physician and we went for alternative treatments first, I'm so glad I did. Thanks for you support everyone. Even if you didn't want to post, I know that you were with me in spirit. We are all in this skin and life thing together. I am going to attack the other cheek next. I'll take lots of pictures so I can post my progress. Have a great, cancer free new year. |
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Grace2Go
USA
50 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2010 : 16:37:51
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skinnygirl:
I found "Carlson Mild-C Crystals", 6 oz jar from Swanson Health Products. Is that it?
Thanks for the detailed info about the process you followed and the results you've had using the Vitamin C.
Grace2Go
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Originally posted by skinnygirl
grace2go,
Here's what I did, I ordered the straight ascorbic acid (powder form)from Swanson or it can be gotten just about any health food store. I put a teaspoon or so in a small cup and then took a Qtip and "scooped" up the wet powder, not the liquid, on the end of the Q tip and set the "blob" of C right onto the spot. If your lesion is closed, you will need to wet it many times a days to get it open, as the vitamin c will dry very quickly. Don't let the water run down your face as it is acid and can stir up some stuff that you might not want to deal with right now.
Now, I wet the powder or put on new powder at least 10 times a day at the beginning. Be prepared, this will probably turn into a huge legion. Mine went from a 5mm circle closed lesion, to at least a 20 mm open lesion that would scab over and puss and bleed. I was terrified. Because it was so unslightly I kept it covered when at work, but it is not really necessary. At least once a day or more wash it completely and put on the aloe vera, I also used neosporin, but it will make the scab very slimy.
Over time it just kept getting smaller and smaller. The covering or scab came off many times. This does work. It can take some patience cause just when you think you are done, it flare up right next to it.
If you have any questions, don't hesitate to write, I'm here for you.
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skinnygirl
USA
10 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2010 : 17:30:08
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No, what is got is the following:
Swanson Premium 100% Pure Vitamin C Powder
SW1130
16 oz (454 grams) Pwdr
$15.99
In Stock
I copied this off of the Swanson Website.
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Grace2Go
USA
50 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2010 : 00:34:30
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I found it now, thanks! That didn't come up in my initial search of their products.
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Originally posted by skinnygirl
No, what is got is the following:
Swanson Premium 100% Pure Vitamin C Powder
SW1130
16 oz (454 grams) Pwdr
$15.99
In Stock
I copied this off of the Swanson Website.
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NaturalSAHM
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2010 : 10:47:29
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Skinnygirl1, I am trying this method as well and am experiencing the same things that you have experienced. Some things that I'm doing differently is that I'm using a crushed up Vitamin C with Rose Hips from Whole Foods. 1000mg Vit C, 50 mg Dog Rose (rose hips). I'm also mixing it with Aubrey Organics Pure Aloe Vera instead of water. This product is a clear, thick liquid. (the ingredients are: organic barbadenis (aloe) leaf juice, citrus grandis (grapefruit) seed extract, & tocopherol (vitamin E). I did this mostly because I was scared that using the Vit C topically would burn so I added the aloe to help soothe the skin. Also, I read somewhere that when Vit C is taken internally along with aloe, it helps with bio-availability so I was hoping it would be similar if applied topically. Its definitely doing something. I noticed that when I treated a larger area, that the lesion was a little larger than I thought. When the scab does come off, when you apply the vit c "paste" that the area under it will turn black. Its a little scary. I do want to add that I've not experience any bad pain or burning or anything. However, I did mix one of the tablets with water to see how that reacted and it pretty much reacted the same as the vit c/aloe combo.
I've tried other things listed on this website including EV, orange oil, and an esocaric salve that contains a small amount of bloodroot, along with peroxide, aloe, vitamin e, etc. and nothing happened. I mean, it would react but not enough to knock it out.
I do want to add that this is an undiagnosed non-melanoma lesion on my nose. If this treatment does not work after a couple of weeks, (started this past Tuesday) I'll be going to a dermatologist for a biopsy and go from there. This lesion has been present for less than 1 year. My 2010 goal is to get this lesion GONE. I'm not opposed to surgery but it will only happen after I've tried alternatives first. I'll definitely keep everyone updated.
Thank you to all that contribute to this site. Awesome stuff!!! |
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skinnygirl
USA
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Posted - 01/09/2010 : 11:35:46
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NaturalSAHM,
I think your concoction sounds awesome. Usually you can just rub the black off. I had to debrid my wound fairly often. I'm surprised that the Vitamen C doesn't burn on the open lesion. Let us know how it goes. I also have a regimen of taking high quality aloe from Univera on a daily basis and have for a long time as well as a supplement of grapeseed extract. Good luck, looking forward to updates. |
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NaturalSAHM
USA
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Posted - 01/11/2010 : 10:28:58
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Scab peeled off this morning so I put on some aloevera/supraclens and let it dry. I then applied vit c/aloe combo and I'm feelin a sting. Not pain but sting. Today is day #7. Wish me luck!
Skinnygirl, how's your spot doing? What are your daily treatments like these days? |
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skinnygirl
USA
10 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2010 : 12:21:18
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| everything is closed up now and I am treating several times a day with aloe vera. Looking really good |
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NaturalSAHM
USA
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 15:21:06
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Hi all. My lesion is now closed and appears healed. I am now doing as Skinnygirl is doing and applying aloe several times per day. There is a small divot where the spot originated. It looks as though I've had a biopsy but never have. I wouldn't go so far as to say its gone because only time will tell but it sure appears that way right now. In a couple of weeks, I'll apply either my topical vit c concoction or orange oil to make sure there is no reaction. I'll update again after that.
Thank you all so much for posting your stories here. If it weren't for all of you, I would have never thought to go this route and feel comfortable doing so, especially after losing my mother to metastatic SCC of the nasal septum.
God bless.
Here are some pictures that I took during the Vitamin C/Aloe paste treatment.
http://s862.photobucket.com/albums/ab183/naturalsahm/nose%20pics/ |
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skinnygirl
USA
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Posted - 01/21/2010 : 19:31:20
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| You poor baby. Could there be a worse place for one of these darn things. It looks really good, I wouldn't be surprised if you don't find over time that that divet starts to fill in completely. I am so happy with your progress. So happy that things are looking better for you. |
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dan
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Posted - 02/13/2010 : 01:42:30
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Here's a theory why skin cancer may respond to topical vitamin C and aloe. Cancer cells are deficient in many enzymes that normal cells have in abundance. Catalase is one of those enzymes lacking in cancer cells which facilitates changing hydrogen peroxide into oxygen and water (and back). Hydrogen peroxide is a by-product of many normal metabolic processes. Catalase is extremely efficient at enabling this conversion.
High doses of ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) result in the production of peroxides in and around cells. Healthy cells use hydrogen peroxide for certain metabolic needs and the excess is converted into water and oxygen by catalase. Since cancer cells produce little or no catalase, they are unable to convert the hydrogen peroxide into water and oxygen and consequently are oxidized and killed. http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer02/VitaminC.html
Cancer cells are also ravenous for the sugar glucose. Aloe vera is able to reduce blood glucose levels.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16819181 Applied topically, the effects of aloe may substantially increase locally.
So it is not crazy that this Vitamin C and aloe paste treatment works for skin cancers. It is also not surprising that topical ascorbic acid may not work for every skin cancer if the cancer cell is still able to produce some catalase. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalase , one molecule of catalase can convert millions of molecules of hydrogen peroxide to water and oxygen per second!
Other catalase inhibitors include acetate, ascorbate, ethanol, formate, methanol, and nitrite. http://www-saps.plantsci.cam.ac.uk/records/rec279.htm Perhaps this is also the mechanism for some success of vinegar (acetic acid) on skin cancers. http://my-ecoach.com/online/resources/3945/catalase_enzyme_procedure_and_data_table.pdf.
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Dr. Ascorbate
USA
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Posted - 02/14/2010 : 01:10:08
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Several years ago I put the information about killing basal cells with vitamin C on several web sites, most notably the cancertutor.com and vitamincfoundation.org. The vitamin C I used was sodium ascorbate, not ascorbic acid. Both will kill cancer cells. Ascorbic acid burns on open sores like lemon juice. Sodium ascorbate does not burn. I now put 1 tsp. (5ml) of sodium ascorbate in 1 Tbs. (15ml) of clean water and apply to lesion as often as you want. I can put this solution directly in my eye with no burn or pain. I tried this because of a lower eye lid bcc I was treating.
Vitamin C is the ascorbate ion which has a charge of -1. It is paired up with a positive ion usually hydrogen or a mineral salt such as sodium, calcium, magnesium, zinc, potassium, etc. Ascorbic acid has a pH2. This is like lemon juice. It will burn like hell The pH of sodium ascorbate is 7 or neutral. If sodium ascorbate is put in a water with pH lower than 7 it will bring it up to 7 as it acks like a buffer. Sodium ascorbate will not burn a cut any more than saline solution. Hydrogen ascorbate or ascorbic acid will burn like lemon juice or vinegar or salt. In the future please use sodium ascorbate on skin lesions to avoid pain. It is the acid or H+ that burns, not the ascorbate.
Hydrogen peroxide put directly on any skin cancer will kill it. It is H2O2 created by vitamin C that does the killing anyway. H2O2 alone may not penetrate to kill the roots of the cancer unless it is very shallow. I would use both.
Happy Hunting,
Dr. Ascorbate
Somehow the fact that you use sodium ascorbate and not ascorbic acid
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Originally posted by Dr. Ascorbate
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Originally posted by skinnygirl1
I'm new, but I have been reading this site for a couple of weeks.
Calling all people who have successfully treated facial BCC and kerotosis with Vitamin C. I started this treatment on Thursday, today is Sunday. I have a diagnosed BCC and a large keratosis under neath it, the keratosis is the size of a quarter and the BCC is about 5 mm.
I am using ascorbic acid crystals purchased from Swanson. I started out by puting the Vitamin C only on the BCC spot, which is small, but apparently the whole keratosis, including areas I did not even know were there are becoming involved. I am experiencing now a very large spot the size of a quarter or a little bigger of white/gray depression and a quarter inch ring around it that is very red and swollen. This red area is very painful to the touch. This thing looks very mad and is 10 times the size of my original spot. HELP... Also it is very swollen, the area is about an inch and a half below my right eye and my eye area are swelling.
So here's the deal, should I continue with the Vitamin C solution on the "White-depressed" area today, or should I lay off for a day to let this thing calm down. Also, any an encouragement about the fact that this thing will eventually heal and not leave a ginormous scar, would also be helpful : )
thank you in advance.
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dan
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Posted - 02/14/2010 : 21:49:48
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Dr Ascorbate, thanks for pointing out that the mineral ascorbate types of Vitamin C should produce a better result for topical skin cancer treatments. Mineral ascorbates are vitamin C attached in a non-acidic form to other molecules such as sodium, calcium or magnesium. The neutral pH of the ascorbates should make the treatment less painful, at the very least.
There are even more vitamin C choices to consider. One supplement, Ester-CŪ contains mainly calcium ascorbate, but also contains small amounts of the vitamin C metabolites dehydroascorbate (oxidized ascorbic acid), calcium threonate, and trace levels of xylonate and lyxonate. The metabolites are supposed to increase the bioavailability of vitamin C. Ester-CŪ should not be confused with ascorbyl palmitate, which is also marketed as "vitamin C ester".
Ascorbyl palmitate is a vitamin C that has been esterified to the fatty acid palmitic acid, resulting in a fat-soluble form of vitamin C. Ascorbyl palmitate has been added to a number of skin creams due to interest in its antioxidant properties as well as its importance in collagen synthesis. http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminC/
skinnygirl and NaturalSAHM reported good results here with regular ascorbic acid vitamin c. It sounds like sodium ascorbate, calcium ascorbate, or magnesium ascorbate may be better choices for topical skin cancer treatments. There are lots of options with Vitamin C, and it may make sense to combine or alternate different types as well as apply hydrogen peroxide directly as Dr Ascorbate suggested. |
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skinnygirl
USA
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Posted - 02/15/2010 : 12:32:39
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| It's great to hear that there could be a vitamen c that doesn't hurt so much. I have to admit that the pain was pretty bad, but I was pretty sure I didn't want a 3 inch scar across my cheek. I have kerotosis on the other check in the same place, anyone recommendend anything for this that isn't as painful as ascorbic acid. |
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RidgebackDogs
USA
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Posted - 02/15/2010 : 16:39:56
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Originally posted by NaturalSAHM
Skinnygirl1, I am trying this method as well and am experiencing the same things that you have experienced. Some things that I'm doing differently is that I'm using a crushed up Vitamin C with Rose Hips from Whole Foods.
NaturalSAHM Hi!
Just wondering what kind of vite C is in the Whole Foods Vite C w/rose hips that you crushed up.
Is is Ascorbic Acid, Sodium Ascorbate etc or a mix of them?
Thanks for the reply!
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NaturalSAHM
USA
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Posted - 02/16/2010 : 10:53:26
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Originally posted by RidgebackDogs
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Originally posted by NaturalSAHM
Skinnygirl1, I am trying this method as well and am experiencing the same things that you have experienced. Some things that I'm doing differently is that I'm using a crushed up Vitamin C with Rose Hips from Whole Foods.
NaturalSAHM Hi!
Just wondering what kind of vite C is in the Whole Foods Vite C w/rose hips that you crushed up.
Is is Ascorbic Acid, Sodium Ascorbate etc or a mix of them?
Thanks for the reply!
Hi Ridgebackdogs. The Whole Foods Vit C I used is ascorbic acid. 1000 mg.
Its been a few weeks since I've posted here but I want to update now. I haven't treated my lesion with anything for a few weeks after stopping the vit c/aloe paste to see if healing continued. Do I think the lesion has completely healed? No. Its not bigger or smaller. It still looks like it did in the last pictures I posted. It doesn't hurt or itch. It never really did, even during treatment. Its just kinda still there, doing nothing. (which is good I suppose) I'm not sure what my next plan of action is. I know the lesion did react to the vit c/aloe paste but I don't know exactly what was going on. Is it possible that my lesion has a barrier that the treatments I've tried just won't penetrate? At times, I've rubbed supraclens on the lesion just before treatments that I've used.
Anyway, I'll post an update when I decide what route I'm taking. I just wanted to let everyone know that personally, I don't feel like the Vit C/Aloe worked for me. Keep in mind though that I have not had a biopsy so I don't know if I'm dealing with BCC or SCC. My lesion seems very stubborn. |
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ad3jd
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Posted - 07/21/2010 : 19:59:30
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| I started the vit. c yesterday and already the center has formed a scab. While I was applying more vit. c, the scab fell off and now I have oozing and bleeding. Can anyone tell me if I should continue putting the vit.c on the spot now that it is open? I'm a little confused. Need some help. Thanks! |
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skinnygirl
USA
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Posted - 07/23/2010 : 16:31:43
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Hello, fellow explorer,
First of all are we talking about BCC or something else. Is the oozing clear or green or yellow, mine was nasty green and yellow pus. keep doing it...you can intermittently clean with antiseptic lotion and put on aloe vera, but I would keep using the C every day several times, until it starts getting smaller and going away. Best wishes for healthy skin. |
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ad3jd
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Posted - 07/24/2010 : 11:31:21
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| Thanks so much for your reply. I would say it's the same kind of oozing that occurs when you peel off a scab. I have continued with the Vit. C and as you mentioned in one of your first posts, the center has gotten larger and indented. It has lightly scabbed. I kind of rubbed the scab off and put more C on it and wow did it hurt! I hope all of this works. |
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river
Australia
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Posted - 08/05/2010 : 07:49:56
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| I started using Sodium ascorbate today as advised by Dr. ascorbate. My lesion is 8cm.dia. I keep it covered with micropore but it dries out and is difficult to remove the tape. Should I mix some cream with the sod. ascorbate to keep it moist? Can some one please advise me. Thanks, River |
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marsha
USA
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Posted - 08/05/2010 : 11:24:15
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| When I use the tape and it dries, and since I cant seem to keep my hands off it, I always wash the tape area with soap and water before I remove it. it softens it up and it comes right off. I've never used the vit c, but couldn't you mix it in coconut oil instead of water? |
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Help - Vitamin C and BCC It's HUGE
