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fforest

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Posted - 04/14/2007 :  19:20:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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I felt I wanted to give all people who are considering using a bloodroot paste on skin cancer a clear warning here..I am tired of reading all the half baked or poorly worded warnings you read on countless internet sites........

A bloodroot paste should only be used as a LAST resort.Try C-herb as a 2nd to last resort..In my opinion C-herb is only 30 to 40% as painful as a bloodroot paste,plus the wounds heal better and faster...Start out with non invasive things and work your way up...

Anyone who has spent much time going to a dermatologist office knows how degrading and expensive this can be...Dermatologist are busy people..They get rich off your problems..I think only rarely does a person only have one skin cancer problem spot in their life...So people have to go back more and more and more...Even though I loath going to the dermatologist..I think they do offer a few good things like freezing cancers with nitrogen..The only problems with freezing is it many not go deep enough to get the problem...Or what if the doctor freezes 2 spots then you realize only one of the spots was frozen deep enough.So you go back for more freezing and testing and waiting.Maybe when waiting you find 1 more new cancer spot ...The whole process can drive you mad.....

My point being (besides blowing off some steam)look at all your options including surgery before rushing off and using a bloodroot paste on skin cancer...

If you use bloodroot on a single spot the size of a dime or less you can make it through that with out to much trauma provided the spot is not on your face...

Do not be a idiot like me and treat a lot of cancer spots on your face with bloodroot and think your life will go on it will not...I can not tell you how traumatizing it can be to have open sores on your face for months......

If you are treating a large cancer spot or and number off small ones your need something to treat the pain with..You can have very serious pain and sickness here...I do not care how big and strong you are the pain can be very bad.....

Lets not beat around the bush here the best things to use for very strong pain are Morphine and Demerol...These 2 drugs would take care of your pain problems straight away...The only problems with using these drugs is they are hard to get hold off..Doctors do not want to give them out and you can not buy them on the internet...

There is a drug called Tramadol that will work well for pain management..Not as good as Morphine but good enough...Tramadol has a low schedule so doctors may write scripts more easily and you can buy it on the internet or over the counter in 3rd world countries...I have used this and it works well....Overall Tramadol should take care most all of your pain management needs in regards to using bloodroot or C-herb...

I hope this information helps....





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dan

611 Posts

Posted - 04/16/2007 :  00:26:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank Forest, this is a very useful warning. Was the bloodroot pain continuous 24/7? When I used orange oil, it hurt on a pain scale at about a 6-8 out of 10 but only for twenty five minutes after applying. This sounds more painful.
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fforest

103 Posts

Posted - 04/17/2007 :  00:27:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well if you only use a small amount of bloodroot paste on a single spot it hurts for sure but you can make it with out any painkillers...

If you treat a large area or many areas yes it hurts 24/7 for many days... The pain can be so bad you can do little more than sleep or watch T.V... With painkillers things are a lot lot lot better.Even though you can still do little more than sleep or watch T.V,you feel a lot better doing it.(or is that doing nothing?)


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FullySilenced

2 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2007 :  22:55:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I used a bloodroot salve from altcancercream .com on my nose. The bcc was about 1/8 inch in diameter and I got an almost imediate reaction. It kinda stung for an hour or so but was not anything that a motrin would not take care of. The skin cancer is gone now for almost 3 yrs and has not returned. I would reccomend the Original Cream Company's products to anyone.
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anivoc

668 Posts

Posted - 04/28/2007 :  19:46:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Agreed and fair warning as a bloodroot paste user on my face..

OUCH!

I will say I had a basal cell removed on my forehead surgically and it was no walk in the park.

Depending on the size of the affected area it is painful and you should plan on swelling that will decrease over the first couple weeks, oozing and bandages for a month.
If you have several cancers don't do them all at the same time or you will end up like fforest..in a lot of pain

It hurts but does do the job.

I wish this was a more precise science but being as the FDA shuts down people. Some of the really well designed paste manufacturers don't exist anymore.

I just received a tube of the sunspot ES and will report back how it works
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anivoc

668 Posts

Posted - 04/28/2007 :  20:12:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by dan

When I used orange oil, it hurt on a pain scale at about a 6-8 out of 10 but only for twenty five minutes after applying.



Dan was the orange oil a success? If so Recipe please.

Tom
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dan

611 Posts

Posted - 04/30/2007 :  01:14:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think the orange oil was a huge success for me. I used it on different big sections (chest, scalp, face, neck, and back) of skin over several months (one at a time). It did not hurt so bad that I was afraid of using it, and I valued the feedback the stinging gave. When I first started with the topical pancreatin, I wished there was some type of "skin cancer meter" to check whether I was making any progress. To me, orange oil is that meter (and a treatment too).

At first, if there were skin anomalies (cancer, AK?), the stinging pain started after about a minute. After a week or two the pain started after several minutes and became duller as well. I imagined this was because it first attacked the skin cancer nearer to the surface. Later, only the deeper skin still had cancer, hence the delay. One of he nice attributes of orange oil is its ability to penetrate skin deeply. In any case, the pain subsided like clockwork after about 25 minutes. Eventually, I could apply it to the previously affected areas with no pain.

One thing I did not like was the orange smell. It's not a bad smell, but it was hard to be discrete. Orange oil also inflamed the affected areas, even areas which I had no idea were problem areas before. At first I wondered if I was allegic to the orange oil. But I could apply it to other skin areas and not have any reaction at all.

I think it is important to incorporate several rest days after several treatment days to provide a balance of killing cancer cells and healing. Some of the previously treated areas came back after a few months but were rather easily "mopped up" with a second round of orange oil.

I used several products straight out of the bottle once or twice a day including Ecover Natural Citrus Cleaner, NOW Orange Oil (weaker), and Organic Orange TKO Cleaner (my favorite). These products cost around $10 a bottle. To do a simple experiment, one could try squeezing the oil from an organically grown orange peel directly onto the skin.

Try orange oil topically at your own risk. So far no one has confirmed that orange oil works for skin cancer, so please tell us about your experiences if you do try it.
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Rusty

Australia
1 Posts

Posted - 09/26/2008 :  02:54:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have just used Cansema on a spot on my nose and it has inflamed, so no doubt is a cancer. i am confused on how many times i apply the Cansema though. Is it only the once, then cover. I have been re-applying it after my daily shower as it comes off, but is it necessary, as i have read that after 24 hours the cancer is dead and the rest of the time is just the cancer drawing out. So should i just renew the bandage. Can someone help me. Oh it doesn't seem to hurt as much as others have said on the site, bit stingy but defineatly don't need pain killers!!!!
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tarbabby

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 10/03/2008 :  15:33:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have also just finished using Cansema on my arm and the 24 hours after applying it were very painful and the size of the spot that I went after was just a tiny red area the size of a pencil lead,I applied the Cansema over the area and past it to the size of a dime and the scab that formed was the exact size of the applied site.10 days later I applied another round of Cansema because the first round didn`t finish the job,after the second round of pain I got the chunk of dead flesh to come out,a dime sized chunk of flesh that was as deep as the muscle.I then went to the doc and of course she did not like the Cansema and told me that it was no cure but that Aldara was the way to go,she also said that peroxide is no good and am starting to think that anything that Doctors can`t make money on is no good for us,I have been using peroxide all my life and will continue to do so.I am not sure if I will ever trust a Derm again I am very confused about the way things are going.I will report in on the healing of this area and I thank everyone out here for their input and support.
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janagain

USA
16 Posts

Posted - 10/04/2008 :  20:49:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
...well, that's pretty weird about the peroxide. When I was using aldara, my dermatologist had me using peroxide during healing of the biopsies. Does make one wonder who we're supposed to believe...
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anivoc

668 Posts

Posted - 10/05/2008 :  10:34:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Think of doctors as Auto mechanics.

All of them have some level of skill, experience and knowledge.
If you put 2 of them in the same room you are going to have 2 different opinions, perceptions and preconceived ideas of how to diagnose and repair the problem.
The how to diagnose and repair is where it gets tricky,it can be dangerous and waste a lot of time and money running unnecessary test or taking the longer or wrong path to the root of the problem/ This because it is wide open to previous experience and conjecture on the part of the diagnostician. An educated guess if you will.
Some are smarter than others.
Some are honest,some are not.
Some will rip you off in a heart beat and some would never dream of it.
They all have opinions and they will differ.
Just like auto mechanics there are laws that restrict them from doing certain things even though in reality it could quickly solve the problem in a faster and less expensive way.

With the power of the internet it is now possible to learn a lot about what is wrong with you car or your body before you go see the mechanic.

Blind faith is a wonderful thing and for simple things like getting oil changed or a cholesterol test I'm not going to dig to deep. When it gets to serious stuff like major engine trouble or cancer... I'm going to do my due diligence..

Edited by - anivoc on 10/05/2008 10:36:27
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gmiller

USA
9 Posts

Posted - 12/13/2008 :  20:14:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Like FullySilenced above I used blootroot paste from altcancercream.com on a small spot on my nose and it work perfectly with only very minor itching pain. See my note in the forum for treatment expectations by day. It does seem different people have different reactions, but for me it was the fastest method of treatment and it seemed to target only the cancer cells.
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Lovecansema

Australia
1 Posts

Posted - 01/15/2009 :  20:54:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We purchased cansema in 2000. I have been a super sick person basically since the day I started school (I can't really remember when it all started - that long ago). I've always had Migrains since back then. They've always been life threatening - it affected my life to a big degree. Mum took me to a specialist and was told I had childhood migrains, just take panadole straight away. Anyway years later they got worse. I was constantly at the doc and being given prescriptions for every different thing they could think might be the course. My husband didn't really like me taking all this medication and I truthfully didn't feel better. One day 18 months later I happen to be looking in the mirror and saw this huge dry spot on my forehead. Since I'd just washed my hair I knew I shouldn't have been there. My husband said right that needs cansema on it. This spot was the size of a 5 cent piece. Yes the pain was big - felt like someone was holding a cig-lighter to my head. 3/4 of my head swelled. No I didn't worry because this gear was going exactly where all my migrains had been. With cansema or similar product the instructions MUST be obeyed or you will be introuble. The instruction DO say attack one at a time. You may apply twice but NO more. You're basically waisting it other wise. I could feel it burning down and circlating my spine - I'd had serious back trouble. At the end of the week this scabby thing popped out. I cannot tell you how great/well I felt. I cut open a Vit E oil capscule and let it drop into the raw part and by the end two week of applying twice a day it was basically healed up. Since then I've come across one person who had a similar experience and theirs was a 5 degree melanoma. Well I'd say that's what I had. Since I've done a lot of research to why I got it. At one time I was put on vioxx & aldara. I was sent an email warning about it so since I didn't even know what the product was I did a search. Well to my astonishment Vioxx & aldara were banned of the chemist shelves and the drug company had 9700 court cases against it because each person had died of cancer. I actually predicted 6 months to live for myself. After that experience I don't visit doctors.
Unfortunately the FDA has made it hard for the original company. So the instruction aren't AS CLEAR as they use to be - thus bringing confusion and mismanagement of products. At New Year time I attacked another one - on my arm. It in, around and under my shoulder blade. It came out leaving a 5mm cavity and as big as a 10 cent piece. Today it's growing new skin - two weeks later. I will say that the pain you get basically tells you how bad the cancer is. Some people get hear core things come out - apparently they are skin cancers. If your pain goes more than 5cm away, it's a melanoma. Why don't I show a doctor? They have all said it's nothing to worry about. Oh I'll just say I havent' had one more Migrain since, of which is really incredible.

Lovecansema
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drbeckl2

96 Posts

Posted - 01/26/2009 :  02:01:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
fforest; and others;

The big problem is that the instructions provided with the salves were ignored ........... or the salves came with no instructions. ... and the victim thot they were using a ordinary skin cream. ... and did not use the hoxsey salve/black salve in the specific manner that it must be used in.

The salve is very powerfull, and it must be used on small areas, and these small areas must be bandaged very well, with a tape that has strong adhesive .... and will not let the salve leak to surrounding tissues ... I use duct-tape, and only a good duct tape with strong adhesive. Tegaderm bandages are mentioned a lot by Dan Raber, et al. .

2ndly; you must only treat 1 sore/cancer spot at a time. you do not smear the salve all over your face in a effort to get many sores at once.

3rdly, you can use it on internal cancers, and draw them out thru the skin, if you know how. Even brain cancers have been drawn out thru a hole at the base of the skull. Liver cancers have been drawn out thru the abdominal wall.

So, .... make damn sure you know HOW TO use it, before you use it. Or you will end up in trouble, scarred, and writhing in pain.

When use in a controlled manner, the hoxsey salves are less painfull than 90% of the other remedies mentioned on this message board, and give reliable, sure, superior, fast results.

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Warning:
The hoxsey/black salve/cancer salve that you buy will probably not come with directions for use. This is because the seller is trying to stay out of court, out of jail. The seller is trying to protect himself from financial ruin. The FDA mafia is out to seek and destroy him. The industrial-military-pharmaceutical complex that president IKE tried to warn you about is now in firm control of your government. The legislature, the courts and the police are now their GESTAPO. As a consequence of this fact, YOU will have to seek out the directions for the salve's use, on your own; because the seller of the salve may be afraid to be the one who gives you those instructions. [to stay out of jail].

The internet has several sources of the directions for applying the salve. Ingrid Naiman sells a book called "cancer salves" with the directions for applying it. $50 @ www.cancersalves.com. It is a large, detailed book. Do not use the salve unless you know exactly how it is supposed to be applied. ....

Using it is like doing chemical surgery on yourself. YOU can not apply the salve as if it were a skin cream, or hand lotion, or any other medical type salve you have ever used. It is very powerfull. You must be instructed/guided on how to use it properly. Just using Common sense does not work in this procedure.

.... YOU must control the number of cancers treated at any one time, and limit it to one cancer area per treatment. [for those that have multiple skin cancers] ....

YOU must control the size of the area to be anointed with the salve.

YOU must control the bandaging of the area to be anointed with the salve.

YOU must know exactly how to do these things. If you can not, or will not, or do not want to, find out how to do these things .... then DO NOT USE THIS SALVE. Go to a naturopathic type doctor instead, and let him apply it to you. Or go to a herb doctor and let him apply it to you.

Failure to correctly apply this salve can and will result in a catastrophe that will cause you pain, scarring, and suffering. If you can not obtain and follow the directions for using it, then do not use it.




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anivoc

668 Posts

Posted - 01/26/2009 :  10:55:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Agreed that there is a protocol and to smear this paste all over your face could turn out to be a real nightmare. I have treated up to 3 areas at once... ugh!

One spot at a time may take longer but probably a better way to do it.



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fforest; and others;

The big problem is that the instructions provided with the salves were ignored ........... or the salves came with no instructions. ... and the victim thot they were using a ordinary skin cream. ... and did not use the hoxsey salve/black salve in the specific manner that it must be used in.

The salve is very powerfull, and it must be used on small areas, and these small areas must be bandaged very well, with a tape that has strong adhesive .... and will not let the salve leak to surrounding tissues ... I use duct-tape, and only a good duct tape with strong adhesive. Tegaderm bandages are mentioned a lot by Dan Raber, et al. .

2ndly; you must only treat 1 sore/cancer spot at a time. you do not smear the salve all over your face in a effort to get many sores at once.

3rdly, you can use it on internal cancers, and draw them out thru the skin, if you know how. Even brain cancers have been drawn out thru a hole at the base of the skull. Liver cancers havbe been drawn out thru the chest wall.

So, .... make damn sure you know HOW TO use it, before you use it. Or you will end up in trouble, scarred, and writhing in pain.

When use in a controlled manner, the hoxsey salves are less painfull than 90% of the other remedies mentioned on this message board, and give reliable, sure, superior, fast results.





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Jeni

New Zealand
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Posted - 02/05/2009 :  19:49:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Hello, I've never had the need to share on a forum before but REALLY want to now! I'm a very well informed (I thought) person who has studied anatomy & physiology, many natural thrapies, both natural and allopathic treatments of many different illnesses including cancer. I have a friend who has been terminal for 10 years and done everything imaginable, including removing large tumors using bloodroot paste (3 different brands with varying speeds of result), as well as radiotherapy and chemo, both minimally. My Mother has used Aldara cream from the doctor with similar results to bloodroot but ONLY visually...now to me; I had one spot on my forearm that was red and became itchy and annoying every time the sun hit it for the last few years. The other was a flat mole or blemish on my chest just on the top of left breast that had become raised on one side and looked a little unusual. With the exprience of my friend who had used the bloodroot and I'd seen the process (in all it's gruesome glory) remove a golf ball sized tumor from her chest, and mums basal cell carcinoma on her forehead scabed up and came off with the aldara cream, I thought I'd get rid of these "moles"? with bloodroot paste myself...just in case they were cancer or would turn into it later in life. BIG MISTAKE. Application 1: a tiny amount of paste on both, covered with tegaderm patches, 24 hrs later, one burns, other itches. Application 2: cool, it's working, pretty sore though, oh well I'll put a bit more on this time to make sure I've covered it all. The spots were both very small to begin with. Day 3 through 6 was extremely painful but I was too scared to stop because it had said 7 - 28 days on the web site. I HAD to stop on day 6 because I hadn't slept for 24 hrs with the pain. I e-mailed company and never got a reply. I have 2 full time kids and 2 step children every fortnight to look after, and I work 20 hrs per wk for Hospice. WHY does it not state anywhere that I've read (until discovering this forum) that you should allow down time during the process in case you react badly? My friend never had pain with her big tumors, Mum only had suface pain with the aldara cream, my pain has been extreme with my left breast becoming completely inlammed and the breakthorough pain was not manageable with paradex, tramadol, nurofen plus, and panadol rapid all used in varying combinations...to put it mildly, I was trollied for three days and still in pain. Both sites are settling down 4 days afetr stopping the paste application. Redness is contained around the wound sites, one has some puss, the other is a crater, they are about the size of a soft drink cap/lid. They are dark in parts but not really black and the scabs haven't started lifting yet. I am using Homeopathics and painkillers still, and keeping the wounds clean without actually touching them. I can't have them covered unless I go to work because the plaster glue creates more pain while on, and when pulling off.
I feel more than a little STUPID considering I work within the medical system, have good friends who are qualified Naturopaths, a Homeopath, and I've been working toward becoming a Counseller myself. Luckily I can deal with the sores, and if I have to I'll get medical help too. My worry is that there are people out there about to use bloodroot casually, because it is such a great herb and known healer of many things, the problem, as has already been said in this forum, is that on an individual basis, we just don't know what our reaction will be until we do it. The reason I feel stupid is not that I gave it a go, it's that I don't even know if my sites were cancerous before I started, and am led to believe that if the paste works then it's cancer. Personally, I feel that if there is ANY abnormality in that area, be it infection, or any other altered cell state, it will react. If this is so, and you have to experience what I have to eliminate a mole or similar, then it would be advisable to at least have something life threatening to begin with. Better still, and even with a cancer diagnosis, there are internal treatments out there without the side effects of paste, e.g tumor x enzyme protocol, to push the cancer out from the inside, with the bloodroot paste as a last resort. For moles, skintags etc, as of now I'll be paying for removal rather than self mutilation. If I was ever to use paste again it would be on a KNOWN tumor site.
I will keep anyone interested, posted on what happens from here with my wounds and if any scarring.
Thanks fforest for your caution.
Jeni NZ


I felt I wanted to give all people who are considering using a bloodroot paste on skin cancer a clear warning here..I am tired of reading all the half baked or poorly worded warnings you read on countless internet sites........

A bloodroot paste should only be used as a LAST resort.Try C-herb as a 2nd to last resort..In my opinion C-herb is only 30 to 40% as painful as a bloodroot paste,plus the wounds heal better and faster...Start out with non invasive things and work your way up...

Anyone who has spent much time going to a dermatologist office knows how degrading and expensive this can be...Dermatologist are busy people..They get rich off your problems..I think only rarely does a person only have one skin cancer problem spot in their life...So people have to go back more and more and more...Even though I loath going to the dermatologist..I think they do offer a few good things like freezing cancers with nitrogen..The only problems with freezing is it many not go deep enough to get the problem...Or what if the doctor freezes 2 spots then you realize only one of the spots was frozen deep enough.So you go back for more freezing and testing and waiting.Maybe when waiting you find 1 more new cancer spot ...The whole process can drive you mad.....

My point being (besides blowing off some steam)look at all your options including surgery before rushing off and using a bloodroot paste on skin cancer...

If you use bloodroot on a single spot the size of a dime or less you can make it through that with out to much trauma provided the spot is not on your face...

Do not be a idiot like me and treat a lot of cancer spots on your face with bloodroot and think your life will go on it will not...I can not tell you how traumatizing it can be to have open sores on your face for months......

If you are treating a large cancer spot or and number off small ones your need something to treat the pain with..You can have very serious pain and sickness here...I do not care how big and strong you are the pain can be very bad.....

Lets not beat around the bush here the best things to use for very strong pain are Morphine and Demerol...These 2 drugs would take care of your pain problems straight away...The only problems with using these drugs is they are hard to get hold off..Doctors do not want to give them out and you can not buy them on the internet...

There is a drug called Tramadol that will work well for pain management..Not as good as Morphine but good enough...Tramadol has a low schedule so doctors may write scripts more easily and you can buy it on the internet or over the counter in 3rd world countries...I have used this and it works well....Overall Tramadol should take care most all of your pain management needs in regards to using bloodroot or C-herb...

I hope this information helps....





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BlondeAmbition3

USA
53 Posts

Posted - 08/30/2009 :  02:25:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dr. Beck, My Skin Cancer(s) keep returning... one in particular (on my left temple.. really large!) and this has me very worried... you infer in a previous post that internal Cancers can be drawn out through the Skin? Do you think I may have an internal Cancer due to the fact my skin Cancers are everywhere and some keep coming back?
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dan

611 Posts

Posted - 08/31/2009 :  01:26:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
BlondeAmbition3, I hope you don't mind me responding. Anyway, as far as I know, there are no "Dr."s on this board, it is just people affected by skin cancer trying to help each other.

You have the same worry most of us here have had at some point, that the cancer could be extensive. There is no way for anyone here to assess your specific condition. The lifetime risk of developing any invasive cancer is about 42%. Previous basal cell or squamous cell cancer statistically increases the likelihood of dying from any cancer by 30%, according to a 1998 study. That's the bad news.

I think the best way to deal with thoughts of extensive cancer is to try to make your body cancer proof. There are several pages on this web site that provide an overview and specific practical strategies that you may find helpful, starting at http://www.topicalinfo.org/index.htm The good news is that these strategies can work, at least they did for me.

I think any cancer depends on three factors: cell damage, the balance of certain hormones, and a compromised immune system. Cell damage from ultraviolet light is known to cause skin cancers. The cell damage may be more extensive if the diet is overloaded with omega 6 polyunsaturated fats. Vitamin D acts as a hormone to control cancer growth and female hormones fuel cancer growth. I think a primary part of the immune system to battle cancers is pancreatic enzymes made by the pancreas. The health of the pancreas and adequate levels of pancreatin enzymes are greatly affected by diet and eating habits. Pancreatin enzymes can be supplemented, even topically in the case of skin cancer, until the pancreas is again effective. Of course, there is a lot more but that is a quick start.


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BlondeAmbition3

USA
53 Posts

Posted - 09/19/2009 :  23:15:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dan

BlondeAmbition3, I hope you don't mind me responding. Anyway, as far as I know, there are no "Dr."s on this board, it is just people affected by skin cancer trying to help each other.

You have the same worry most of us here have had at some point, that the cancer could be extensive. There is no way for anyone here to assess your specific condition. The lifetime risk of developing any invasive cancer is about 42%. Previous basal cell or squamous cell cancer statistically increases the likelihood of dying from any cancer by 30%, according to a 1998 study. That's the bad news.

I think the best way to deal with thoughts of extensive cancer is to try to make your body cancer proof. There are several pages on this web site that provide an overview and specific practical strategies that you may find helpful, starting at http://www.topicalinfo.org/index.htm The good news is that these strategies can work, at least they did for me.

I think any cancer depends on three factors: cell damage, the balance of certain hormones, and a compromised immune system. Cell damage from ultraviolet light is known to cause skin cancers. The cell damage may be more extensive if the diet is overloaded with omega 6 polyunsaturated fats. Vitamin D acts as a hormone to control cancer growth and female hormones fuel cancer growth. I think a primary part of the immune system to battle cancers is pancreatic enzymes made by the pancreas. The health of the pancreas and adequate levels of pancreatin enzymes are greatly affected by diet and eating habits. Pancreatin enzymes can be supplemented, even topically in the case of skin cancer, until the pancreas is again effective. Of course, there is a lot more but that is a quick start.






I appreciate your response Dan... and I'm very happy you responded! I guess I'll always be plagued with the fear that the extensive Skin Cancers that I'm battling could also be internal.. and I guess that's the worst part of it.. dealing with the 'fear'. I thank GOD for this Forum however... and the courageous People sharing their experiences... and the Products that could very well be leading to their healing. I'm determined not to 'die' from Cancer.... and I'm hoping, with the help of this Forum (and others like it).. (and GOD!)... I can at least learn to 'live' with it. Contrary to popular belief, I'm now persuaded we can do that.

If any of you would like to actually 'see' some of the Skin Cancers I've had to deal with over the past year.. by all means check them out here: http://picasaweb.google.com/RebornGoddess/EvesSkinCANCER2008?feat=directlink

WARNING! Some of these images are quite GRUESOME so please don't view them if you have a weak stomach.. and the Lesion that was in the center of my forehead.. that pretty much encompassed my entire forehead!.. is now a nicely healed, barely noticeable scar.. which would NOT have been the case if a traditional Dr. would have gotten hold of me!) Blood root paste may not be a gentle healer.. but it GETS the Cancers!.. and I've applied all over my body (not at once mind you!) and it is very selective and does NOT attack normal healthy skin.

(I'm still adding photos of the huge Lesion on my Left Temple that I've had to treat with Blood root THREE Times now (once the skin gets to the heal over stage)... and each time I get more Cancer! I just can't 'treat' the spot anymore as I just can't take the pain ... so I'm hoping when it 'heals' over this time.. it will do so this time completely.. unlike the last time when a new 'tumor' popped up right when it reached a nice 'heal-over' stage.. there it was.. like a 'worm' under the skin.. I was mortified!... It's very depressing)

I'm using TKO Orange Oil now.... doesn't sting at all on healthy skin it appears... my face is doing great... but my SCALP (in areas) especially around the Left Temple area..(a few inches above it) burns like MAD for about thirty minutes or so.. and I've noticed little white lesions that form and then disappear... so, while I don't know 'what' the orange oil is doing, it's doing something..
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dan

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Posted - 09/22/2009 :  01:16:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, it doesn't look like you are having much fun, but you are making progress. You have done a great job documenting with the pictures. It's too bad bloodroot has such bad pain because it does work. I admire your courage to even try it once, let alone three times.

I have used orange TKO on skin cancers and I have a lot of faith in it. It took me some time, several weeks, before I knew for sure that it was going to work. The pain was temporarily intense but at least it went away after a half hour. It seemed like the second and third weeks were the most painful. I tried to work out or walk or bike for that half hour. After a while, I noticed the pain took longer to start, then it became less intense too. And of course the lesions were getting smaller.

I applied orange TKO once a day about four times a week, rinsing after the pain had subsided. If the area became too raw, I would wait a couple of days. That kind of strikes a balance between healing and killing the cancer. Another nice thing about orange oil is that it spreads easily to find all the problem areas. I was able to get a lot of encouragement from the before and after photos as I got into the fourth week.

I hope others will join me in praying that you will be successful.
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BlondeAmbition3

USA
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Posted - 09/22/2009 :  08:56:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by dan

Well, it doesn't look like you are having much fun, but you are making progress. You have done a great job documenting with the pictures. It's too bad bloodroot has such bad pain because it does work. I admire your courage to even try it once, let alone three times.

I have used orange TKO on skin cancers and I have a lot of faith in it. It took me some time, several weeks, before I knew for sure that it was going to work. The pain was temporarily intense but at least it went away after a half hour. It seemed like the second and third weeks were the most painful. I tried to work out or walk or bike for that half hour. After a while, I noticed the pain took longer to start, then it became less intense too. And of course the lesions were getting smaller.

I applied orange TKO once a day about four times a week, rinsing after the pain had subsided. If the area became too raw, I would wait a couple of days. That kind of strikes a balance between healing and killing the cancer. Another nice thing about orange oil is that it spreads easily to find all the problem areas. I was able to get a lot of encouragement from the before and after photos as I got into the fourth week.

I hope others will join me in praying that you will be successful.



Thank you Dan for your always helpful AND! informative responses!
The prayers are much appreciated also.

I thought I might add (for the benefit of others) that this method of treatment (Blood root Paste) for larger Skin Cancers is excruciatingly painful! (I can not emphasize this enough! For me, the pain seldom let up during an 8-10 day period.. for the largest lesion it was like 21 days! Even with Oxycontin I sometimes cried in utter frustration from the pain.. and I tell you this NOT for sympathy.. but so you might be better prepared than I was as I didn't have enough pain management meds to see me completely through this... ) Please please please have some form of pain management available to you if you apply blood root!... regardless of how SMALL the area seems to be when you first apply the blood root... as I discovered within TWO days after application that TWO of my treatment areas were HUGE compared to the initial blood root application! In retrospect, I guess I was pretty brave.. as I had no idea in advance just how extensive these things went!.. and they COULD HAVE very easily been worse I'm aware! (lol)... Having no health care Insurance.. and not enough CASH to pay for this type of extensive Skin Cancer treatment & therapy, I felt I had no other choice than to take the Action I took. I don't believe any other topical treatment (for "me" anyways) would have been nearly as effective as the Blood root Paste... I thank GOD everyday for having led me to it! .. as I think most can see by my photos that my skin Cancers appear to all be quite large and/or advanced or both. Blood root may not be a gentle healer, but I respect it for it's AGGRESSIVE and UNFORGIVING attitude towards CANCER... and CANCER, it appears to me, is certainly no match! Yes, I suffered from the Blood root, but I feel I have suffered little in comparison to the "consequences" had I NOT used the BR paste! I've now changed my Diet to more RAW and whole foods, nothing processed, nothing white (like flour or sugar).. nothing artificial (such as ANY sweeteners like Splenda, Aspartame or Saccharin).. and am working very hard to alkalize my system as I do believe WHAT we eat is one of the primary causes of CANCER and certainly instrumental in the cure. I can't tell you how many People I discuss the importance of proper Diet in the prevention & cure of Cancer and get responses like: "Oh, I'd rather DIE than give up the foods I love! Life is too short anyways and I'd rather have quality of Life than quantity!" and similar responses along those lines! I usually reply with: "You mean you'd rather DIE from CANCER than give up certain foods?" That's really sad isn't it?
So many People (in this Forum and others like it) have really helped me tremendously in finding the path(s)that are leading to my healing. KNOWING I'm not alone in this Battle has been helpful too.. and that's one of the reasons I'm documenting everything as best I can with photos and doing my best to 'share' what I'm learning along the way. I want to "Pay It Forward" so to speak. I KNOW Cancer can be both prevented AND cured.. if I didn't.. I wouldn't be here... TOPICALINFO has truly been a GODSEND to me and I'm so grateful to the hundreds who have posted.

Edited by - BlondeAmbition3 on 09/22/2009 10:51:34
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drbeckl2

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Posted - 12/11/2009 :  02:15:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello Blond Ambition;

I have read your posts , including the 9/22/09 one, and I went to the photo website and seen your cancer lesions.

I am not a ama medical doctor, or even a non-ama doctor. But I have used 2 versions of hoxsey-type salves to remove skin cancers.

this is my opinion:

from the photo evidence I see, I don't think you probably have a internal cancer; ........ because I did not see a drainage hole forming to the interior of your skull. Instead, It appears to go so far down and hit a bottom, a bottom of the eschar.

QUESTION; what brand, or what formula of the hoxsey salve/bloodroot salve did you use ????

Is the stuff you are using a "full-strength" formula, or some weakened down formula ?

Does it contain zinc chloride ?

Maybe the reason you had to apply the salve so many times is that it is not a full strength formula, and could not do the job in one application.

QUESTION: Did you buy the book by Ingrid Naiman, Cancer Salves, ~$50.00 to learn how to use the salve in the safest and best manner ???? Her website is www.cancersalves.com

I got the 3rd edition of that book (2005 date ?) and it is very good.

Mrs Naiman maintains a kind of downer attitude toward the use of cancer salve on her website, but I don't think she really thinks that way in her own mind. I think she is afraid of the wrath of the AMA/FDA; if she appears to endorse it too strongly.

A good website to learn about drawing out internal cancers with the hoxsey-type salves iis www.truthquest2.com

ON MULTIPLE CANCERS OF THE FACE:

2 or 3 years ago a lady corresponed with me about suddenly developing multiple skin cancers on her head area. She disclosed that her daughter had given her some in-expensive skin lotion, or perhaps cosmetics, that were made in China, just prior to her cancers beginning to appear. She believed that some chemicals in this chinese lotion had probably given her the cancers.

However; Your cancers may also be courtesy of the U.S. government. In that since the 1990's the U.S. airforce has fot 5 nuclear wars; 2 in the Balkans & Yugoslavia in Europe, and 2 separate nuclear wars in Iraq, and now another in Afganistan.

They have been exploding depleted urainium bombs on these targets, and the dust and debree , and the smitherines, from these explosions have now reached, and hover over, and are deposited upon you, and me, and our lands, and our foods. We are now the victims of our own governments insane use of atomic radiation weapons. The cancer upon your face could very well be caused by your exposure to this new radiation source. These nuclear radio-active dust and particles have a half-life of 4.5 billion years.

One dust particle falling from the sky upon your skin would be all that was necessary to give you a skin cancer. Breathed into your lungs, it will give you lung cancer, etc etc etc. Eating it on your lettuce would destroy your immune system, as in Lyme disease, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, lupus, etc. ... or some kind of internal cancer.

a third source of your skin cancers may be the chemicals sprayed upon you and your lands by chem-trail spewing aircraft. These chemicals contain carcinogenic substances, according to some people who have studied them.
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I hope this helps some; drbeckl2
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Originally posted by BlondeAmbition3

Dr. Beck, My Skin Cancer(s) keep returning... one in particular (on my left temple.. really large!) and this has me very worried... you infer in a previous post that internal Cancers can be drawn out through the Skin? Do you think I may have an internal Cancer due to the fact my skin Cancers are everywhere and some keep coming back?

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Snickers509

USA
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Posted - 12/14/2009 :  19:34:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, ok then. I don't have health insurance, but I think I have a lipoma or fatty tumor, that has begun to change in the past two weeks. The area around it is more painful every day. Today I went to a health food store and got some dmso, which I put on it about 10 minutes ago, and the surrounding area, which is my shoulder and upper ribcage - I broke 5 ribs and sternum 2.5 years ago and it's giving me fits lately. So now that the area is stinging like hell, about a 6.5 I'd say, I'm wondering if I should apply Cristopher's Black Ointment to my fatty tumor above near my shoulder blade. Hmm, I will be back.. I think it's shower time.

I read that applying dmso will carry it deeper. Yes, I've used dmso before, but not a black salve. I got it because it didn't have bloodroot in it; I'd rather be conservative.

I've been under stress lately, moreso than any time in my life, and I had refused to acknowledge that.

Snickers
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Snickers509

USA
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Posted - 12/14/2009 :  21:28:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Blonde Ambition, you are so couragous! My hat is off to you.

I have washed off the dmso and in searching the internet found an interesting article that uses dmso with colloidal silver, like not taking them at the same time. I thought CS oxygenates the tissues and cancer cells can't stand that. I know that from reading that dmso opens the cells to whatever it brings with it. So, after my near dmso bath, I've taken about a teaspoon of cl, 10ppm.

I've taken cl with great success for colds, it cut my time down to 1 or 3 days, compared to roommates that kept getting the same cold over and over again, for weeks. I've used it on my gelding (horse) that had a staph infection from a 10" puncture wound in his fanny. The cl turned the yellow pus to clear pus, helped dissipate the heat and swelling and dry up the lesion with no infection behind it. It healed on me with pus behind it and I had to reopen it, that's when I gave up on the batadine solution and flushed it with the colloidal silver.

Today I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to try Christopher's black ointment on my fatty tumor, or whatever it is.. a pustule that popped inward 10 years ago. I've noticed it reduce in size, ironically when I've been taking cl for something else.. but now it's about 2". The dmso really helped my sore ribs and muscles, almost like having a massage, but it stung like hell. So, if anyone has used that black salve before, please let me know what to possibly expect. I've read stuff online of course, but would like a mentor.

Snickers
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Snickers509

USA
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Posted - 12/15/2009 :  10:58:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Next morning: muscles feel better, but that lump is all sore now, it was just sore around it, and it seems to have gotten larger overnight and redeveloped a flat spot almost in the middle of it. I had a dream two days before it started getting red and sore than it was surgically removed. So much for the dream. I think it was telling me it needs to be removed. There are bandaids here afterall, so I guess I will try the black salve today.
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Snickers509

USA
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Posted - 12/28/2009 :  13:35:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ok, so I tried the Christopher's black ointment.. it does not contain bloodroot, but it did create a whole just large enough for pus and a fatty tumor to emerge out of my shoulder, in less than two weeks. Today, huge chunks of fatty tumor emerged from the whole, which is now virtually painless, with the exception of sore muscles. I used vicks because of the menthol in it to stimulate circulation around the lump at night, under the bandage, and put a half teaspoon of colloidal silver on the bandage where the whole is to help keep it clean. So far, so good. I used the black salve for 10 days morning OR night until the whole was formed and then just the colloidal silver. I may have the remnants biopsied when I can afford the cost. Needless to say, I'm happy it's out. :)
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djt10

USA
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Posted - 05/13/2012 :  23:26:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've got the truthquest2 dotcom site mentioned on this forum. Some of the photos on the home page are of my black salve treatment and there are links to other family member's treatments. We've been using salve since 1986. If anybody finds this forum and has some questions, contact me. We have a wider range of experience than you can imagine. I keep a quart of homemade salve in my fridge and we use it for things no one has even ventured to experiment with. Salve is selective for abnormal tissues. It doesn't "burn" big holes wherever applied. I've applied it to common moles and it just sat there doing nothing, but if you have cancerous tissue it will dig deep, but we've used it for other things--a fungal infection on the scalp, cirrhosis of the liver, infected teeth, an imbedded shard of glass, abnormal moles, brown spots on the hand--that was the only time I used it where the pain was extreme, although removing a tumor from the soft tissues on my thigh was no day at the park. It may be the poor man's treatment, but it's effective. If you want a doctor to use it as a legal treatment, MD's in the Philippines use it as part of mainstream medicine there after doctors saw it's effectiveness...and hang the pharmaceutical companies who want to see it gone.
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