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BobCA

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Posted - 04/11/2017 :  19:38:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just a FYI, tea tree oil is a known anti-fungal and anti-bacterial so it never hurts to use it but I am not sure it has any effect on PS nor skin cancers. Just sharing some info and what you do with it is totally up to you.
Personally I would stay away from DMSO because that will pull the IM into the blood stream and we want it to stay locally on the skin.
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waverider

76 Posts

Posted - 04/12/2017 :  22:51:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree. I'd be hesitant about DMSO also because I'm uncertain about what sort of chemical reaction it might have with IM at the molecular level, perhaps diminishing its effectiveness in some way we don't know.
I do think DMSO is very helpful with vitamin C -- especially sodium ascorbate -- to help it penetrate. In the past when I didn't have any petty spurge growing, I have used the SA/DMSO combination with much greater success on small outbreaks/recurrences versus just plain ascorbic acid by itself. It takes patience though.
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anivoc

643 Posts

Posted - 07/27/2017 :  21:09:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I spoke with a guy in Australia who claims he is the guy that first discovered via Australian Bushman medicine men that Petty Spurge was a powerful herb against skin cancers.

He shared a couple crazy stories of just chopping it up and using it as a poultice and knocking a huge tumor on a horse. A woman who was on her death bed made a solution from the sap and injected into her main tumor...terrible stuff and a lot of tumor fell out but she lived to tell the tale..

Of course these are anecdotal stories from a guy I met off of ebay buying some Australian herbs...he wasn't selling me petty spurge and even told me the plant I was buying ( Gumby Gumby ) would most likely have no effect on big skin cancers that I am fighting...

He is a big advocate of using petty spurge with DMSO and rubbing the sap in....

I made a poultice the other day of fresh leaves and dmso and painted it on a large nodular BCC...In his story 24 hours later everything had turned grey and the tumors just sloughed off...In my case not so much ...still very much there but definitely effected and a little eaten away. some areas white like there was necrosis ( cell death) ..The area is getting inflamed so I will give this a few more days of applications and let you all know how it's going.... I'm thinking Petty Spurge and DMSO are a good combo...and maybe not just the sap as the whole plant has the active ingredient in it....
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srains99

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Posted - 09/21/2017 :  06:00:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi all, it has been a while since I have been on the forums and 3 1/2 half years since I used Petty Spurge to successfully treat the skin cancer on my face. I have since moved to Portland Maine and I am looking for anyone in the area who has the plants/seeds. No skin cancer has returned but I would like to grow the plants for those who need it, including any future needs I may have. Of course I can order it from Australia and will if I can not get a source closer to home. Good luck and thank you all.
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agare

Australia
17 Posts

Posted - 09/21/2017 :  06:49:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dan

agare, I am happy to see another success story too! In order to help others that may be following, can you describe the pain you experienced? Did the pain persist beyond a half hour, a day, a week? Can you also provide a brand name for the tea tree oil cream? And just to be certain, can you confirm that DMSO was not part of the remedy? Congrats and thanks!


Sorry for this late reply. I did not use DMSO with my treatment. Interesting that the second or third last post in this forum is from someone who has used DMSO. He hasn't followed up with further information on the effect. The pain from using the tea tree oil cream only lasted a few minutes. I have recently treated another basal cell carcinoma on my chest, and applied the cream again. This time it did not hurt. I think my back is more pain sensitive than my chest for some reason. So far, the new treatment looks to be successful.
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Jeff Staples

Canada
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Posted - 02/03/2018 :  22:58:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
She had Petty Spurge and helped me to cure a Basil cell on my arm. I am trying to source some seeds in Ontario and read that some fo you may be able to help. I live in Collingwood and used to live in Milton so I am familiar with the Hamilton/Burlington area. Let me know if you're able to provide me with a source for plants or seeds. Thanks...Jeff
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Jeff Staples

Canada
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Posted - 02/03/2018 :  23:21:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello... The first part of my intended post was omitted so I thought I would repeat it....
I was in Bicheno, Tasmania and stayed at an Airbnb (Dr Binny). She had Petty Spurge on her property and helped me to cure a Basil cell on my arm. I am trying to source some seeds in Ontario and read that some of you may be able to help. I live in Collingwood and used to live in Milton so I am familiar with the Burlington area. Let me know if you're able to provide me with current information on where to source plants or seeds. Thanks...Jeff
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agare

Australia
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Posted - 02/03/2018 :  23:57:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am looking forward to a new post from anivoc on how the treatment combining petty spurge and DMSO. Was the treatment successful?
My last treatment of a large basal cell carcinoma on my chest was entirely successful with only one treatment (3 applications over three days) without DMSO. But it was not nodular.
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BobCA

43 Posts

Posted - 02/04/2018 :  18:17:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Quick question. How are you guys diagnosing your cancers? Ingenol mebutate (Petty Spurge) has been approved for AKs and I do believe it works well on surface SCC and BCC but without a biopsy how are people determining what kind of cancer they have and how purvasive it is? Isnít it a bit risky to self diagnose and self treat something that may require a more aggressive treatment?
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agare

Australia
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Posted - 02/04/2018 :  18:24:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I get mine assessed by my family doctor. However, after having several of these diagnosed and confirmed I think I can recognize these when I get them. I would not diagnose these in another person though.
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BobCA

43 Posts

Posted - 02/04/2018 :  23:27:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Agare, How were your previous lesions ďdiagnosed and confirmed ď? Did your doctor do a removal and biopsy? The only reason I press this issue is because a misdiagnosed SCC or even BCc for that matter can have consequences . Personally I see no harm in trying spurge on any suspected skin lesion but when I hear about mixing it with DMSO and melaleuca I get a little suspect that we may be incorrectly trying to get more out of Ingenol mebutate than itís capable of. DMSO will act as a carrier through the cells lipid layer and carry the Ingenol mebutate into the blood stream. Is that really what we want? Melaleuca (tea tree oil) is a natural anti fungal/anti bacterial and adds no benefit to the chemical action of Ingenol mebutate. Be careful when dealing with cancers, see a doc if you have any concerns.
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KMWS

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2018 :  15:54:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I tried several homeostatic treatments and/or remedies for my BCC including Ingenol mebutate (Petty Spurge) straight from the plant, unfortunately my BCC just Kept coming back bigger than before. Finally, I was forced to go for moles surgery on my chin which left a large nasty scar that probably would have been a lot smaller if I would have seen a Dermontalogist sooner. Therefore, I recommend seeing a Dermontalogist if any homeostatic treatments don't work and your skin lesion(s) don't get any better!
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agare

Australia
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Posted - 02/05/2018 :  17:46:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dear BobCA. My doctor took a sample of tissue and sent it off for analysis, that is, a biopsy. The reason I used a melaleuca cream was firstly, simply to cover the petty spurge sap, and possibly, aid in penetration because I knew from the failure with my nodular skin cancer, that if the sap can't penetrate it won't work. However, there has also been research on the use of melaleuca combined with DMSO for skin cancer carried out at the University of Western Australia which showed positive results, so this could certainly do no harm. As I remember, they used 90% DMSO, so if this gets the oil into the bloodstream, they were happy to do that. The research was discontinued because funding dried up. I have also read that using DMSO with the extract of devil's apple or aubergine improved its effect, although it is not encouraged by the main researcher on it, Dr Bill Cham, although I think he has experimented with it.
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BobCA

43 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2018 :  18:47:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for all that great personal info. I am not sure what you mean by ďnodularĒ skin cancer. Iíve not seen any research papers on SCC nor BCC that use that term. Melanoma on the other hand can create a tumor like nodule that can go very deep. We donít want to be messing around with that one. If you could, please provide a link to the research performed with Ingenol mebutate enhancers like melaleuca or DMSO. Iíd love to read up on that. DMSO was pioneered by Russian athletes back in the late 70s/early 80s to accelerate soft tissue damage. The premise was that DMSO could travel through the skin into joints or tendons and actually stimulate the would healing response, IE it is an irritant. Some users added aspirin to DMSO to get localized effects. Still not sure why we need DMSO to get IM beneath the skin. After all we are treating skin cancers. With all that said I really appreciate you taking the time to share your personal experiences. Please shoot me any research that youíve come across that is not in the mainstream journals. My basis for application and use has come from published articles. Thanks man, keep fighting the good fight.
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agare

Australia
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Posted - 02/05/2018 :  19:18:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dear BobCA, I haven't read anything on using DMSO with petty spurge except on this website. I did find something some time ago on its use with the extract from Devil's Apple, but I am not sure where. Combining it with tea tree oil was my idea after reading an article on tea-tree oil here: http://www.news.uwa.edu.au/201006292609/events/tea-tree-oil-offers-hope-skin-cancer-patients and then corresponding with the researchers for details. Here is something on nodular BCC. When my doctor saw that I had this, he immediately recommended surgery where he was happy to try petty spurge with the non-nodular form. I have not had a recurrence of the nodular form, but would like to be prepared for it, which is the reason I am interested in what could supplement petty spurge. It is weird that there is no further research on melaleuca oil given the successes reported, and going in to this I have come to realize how treatments of anything which work but don't generate big profits are not likely to get supported by mainstream medicine and are sometimes disparaged (for instance, fish oil for arthritis). The problem with alternative medicine is that its practicioners appear unable to sort out the good from the useless or bad alterntives. Google is a help in sorting this out, but it takes time.
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agare

Australia
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Posted - 02/05/2018 :  19:21:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is the reference to nodular BCC: https://www.dovemed.com/diseases-conditions/nodular-basal-cell-carcinoma-skin/ .
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BobCA

43 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2018 :  19:30:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Awesome!!!! Great article. Did you see all the different types of BCC??
Superficial Basal Cell Carcinoma of Skin
Nodular Basal Cell Carcinoma of Skin
Infiltrating Basal Cell Carcinoma of Skin
Micronodular Basal Cell Carcinoma of Skin
Fibroepithelial Basal Cell Carcinoma of Skin
Basal Cell Carcinoma of Skin with Adnexal Differentiation
Basosquamous Carcinoma
Keratotic Basal Cell Carcinoma of Skin

Anyway, topical treatment like 5,5 Flourocil and Imiquimode were recommended and if they work then IB (sold as Picato) might work even better. Different chemical action but doesnít involve weeks of treatment.
Thanks so much for this,
Bob
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KMWS

USA
18 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2018 :  19:34:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Agare did you use Ingenol mebutate (Petty Spurge) on your nodular BCC or did you have surgery to get rid of it?
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agare

Australia
17 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2018 :  22:15:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I tried petty spurge, using two lots of treatment, each treatment being three successive applications on each day, using a good amount of sap. Each time the scab came off, the nodule was still there, although slightly smaller. I tried to measure this accurately. I was told that being on my upper lip, just under my nose, it was not a good place to be because it could spread down and get into my skull, so I had surgery. I was prepared for surgery and then sent home the first time because the site was inflamed due to my treatment with petty spurge. I was told that there was about a 12% chance of recurrence after surgery, and this has not occurred, and I think it lightly that the change of recurrence after surgery was reduced by my petty spurge treatment.
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BobCA

43 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2018 :  22:44:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is s really good article on all types of BCCs. Youíll notice that they mention 5,5 Flororoucil and Imiquimode. The first is a cyctotoxic agent and the second is an immune system modifier. I have used both.
Ingenol mebutate is both cyctoxic and an immune modifier. Same clinical result when applied once per day for 3 days. Leave on for 6 hours before washing. No sweating and AVOID eyes.

https://www.dermnetnz.org/topics/basal-cell-carcinoma
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BobCA

43 Posts

Posted - 03/29/2018 :  10:00:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi All, I wanted to relay an active and ongoing story. About 3 months ago I noticed a spot on my upper chest about 8mm (1/2"). It was reddish and I suspected it was either AK or BCC so I hit it with Petty Spurge, once a day for 3 days. It reacted quite strongly, PS continues to work even after the 3 day application. I use petrolatum to keep the scab from forming and after a week or so it had cleared up nicely. Well, that same spot has returned and now it feels like it may be a little deeper. It doesn't appear to be just on teh surface. I once again hit it with PS and it cleared most of it but not all of it and since I could still feel it beneath the skin I decided to let my derm take a look. He said it looked liked BCC to him but we took a shave biopsy just to be sure. I will know in 10 days and will let you all know. If it BCC we will excise it.
On another note: I have had this scaly spot on my nose forever. Not red just scaly, tried burning it off with Ni, tried 5,5,fluororocil, and of course PS. It always comes back. Punch biopsy showed advanced AK but no BCC or SCC. I am now going to try Imiquimode as the chemical reaction is different from PS. My derm says to keep hitting with different methods to keep it at bay. He doesn't want it to go deeper and develop into BCC.
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BobCA

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Posted - 03/31/2018 :  20:38:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Follow up on the biopsy, came back positive for BCC as I anticipated. So far PS has been 100% accurate in identifying AK and BCC. Every lesion that reacted with PS that I have had biopsied has been positive for AK or BCC. When itís AK I just keep an eye on it and keep hitting every 4 months or so with PS but when itís BCC I donít mess around and have it excised. This particular lesion reacted strongly to PS so I waited 3 weeks and hit it again. This time the reaction was much less. 2 weeks after this I had the biopsy. This tells me that while PS can be effective for AKs and surface BCCs, it does not go deep enough to get all of a subsurface BCC. Probably why the FFA has it cleared as a treatment for AKs only. There are so many types of BCCs that I would guard against believing PS can completely resolve all of them. Work with your derm to stay on top of any lesions and treatment methods.
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waverider

76 Posts

Posted - 04/07/2018 :  22:30:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What a bumper crop of petty spurge here in So. California this year! I guess it is the late arrival of some semblance of cool winter + heavy rains a couple of weeks ago. In the past, I was used to seeing a few sprouts pop up the following season after I grew some plants from Australian seeds. This year, however, I have new PS growing wild literally all over my yard, in all sorts of places. Even my neighbor has petty spurge sprouts popping up between the seams of the astroturf that covers his backyard (gee, I wonder where those tiny airborne seeds originated?) As it happens, I have no skin issues of any sort this year. I haven't had a BCC outbreak since petty spurge knocked out two incidents and long-term vitamin C + DMSO took down another one. Hard to believe it's been 7 years since I started down this road with PS due to the great information on this forum. But the plant has really been a blessing to me. I'll probably end up mashing (some of) these plants up and making a tincture to keep over the winter just in case. You never know.
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BobCA

43 Posts

Posted - 04/16/2018 :  20:52:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Please excuse my digression but is anyone using Polypodium Leucotomos known as PLE to help prevent sun damage? Recent studies shows it can actually help protect the DNA from mutating and becoming cancerous. I was taking nicotinamide but the scientific studies show PLE to be more effective.
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Robiairty

USA
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Posted - 07/08/2018 :  13:17:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Agare did you use Ingenol mebutate

Edited by - Robiairty on 07/08/2018 13:18:01
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agare

Australia
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Posted - 07/09/2018 :  05:32:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ingenol mebutate is the active ingredient in petty spurge, so I was using this. But I was not using the commercial product Picato which uses an extract from petty spurge and advertises it is ingenol mebutate. I suspect that Picato utilizes a less concentrated form than would be supplied by using the sap itself.
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