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Houston
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 Posted - 06/19/2011 : 23:41:18
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I was a test subject in the 3rd phase of the Peplin study. I was only allowed to treat an area that was approximately 2" x 3" on the side of my face - cheek to the ear. The instructions were to apply once a day for 3 days. The area was not to be covered. The area reacted immediately, first going red and then opening up with fluid and what appeared to be whitehead pimples ... very similar to some of the pictures shown here. The reaction was pretty intense and frightening looking. It did itch, but it wasn't horrible. It scabbed over. About 2 weeks after treatment, most of the reaction had faded. About 2 months after treatment, there really was little indication of treatment. They kept me in the study for an additional 6 months or so to monitor. There was no return of the AKs and BCs in the area. The study was for AKs.
I asked to be called for further studies. I'm currently in the 2nd phase of a 2-phase treatment over the entire facc for a new Zyclara generic. I don't know whether I have the Zyclara or the generic. I definitely do not have the placebo. I started with 7 AKs and BCs on my face. After 2 weeks of applying once daily, there were 21 AKs and BCs. After 2 weeks of rest, there were 3 left. I'm 10 days into the 2nd phase and there are (to my eye) about 7 new inflamed ugly areas. I preferred the Peplin for several reasons. It was applied only for 3 days vs a total of 28. Other than the severe nasty ugly reaction and irritation at the site, I had no other symptoms. With the Zyclara (or the generic if I'm using that), I felt ok for the first 3 days. After that, I had (sorry) nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, cold sores, horrible fatigue. Who'd think a topical could make me feel so badly. The side effects persisted almost 10 days after finishing the 1st phase. The doc advised that I try taking Unisom each evening for the 2nd phase. While still tired and nauseous with some diarrhea, it is not nearly as bad as the first phase.
So now I've purchased some Petty Spurge seeds, and I will attempt to grow them indoors. I have so many areas of concern after years of black-red sunburns on fair skin. Unfortunately, these research studies don't treat the entire problem -- only the areas selected by the doctor. |
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Houston
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Posted - 06/19/2011 : 23:44:23
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I was a test subject in the 3rd phase of the Peplin study. I was only allowed to treat an area that was approximately 2" x 3" on the side of my face - cheek to the ear. The instructions were to apply once a day for 3 days. The area was not to be covered. The area reacted immediately, first going red and then opening up with fluid and what appeared to be whitehead pimples ... very similar to some of the pictures shown here. The reaction was pretty intense and frightening looking. It did itch, but it wasn't horrible. It scabbed over. About 2 weeks after treatment, most of the reaction had faded. About 2 months after treatment, there really was little indication of treatment. They kept me in the study for an additional 6 months or so to monitor. There was no return of the AKs and BCs in the area. The study was for AKs.
I asked to be called for further studies. I'm currently in the 2nd phase of a 2-phase treatment over the entire facc for a new Zyclara generic. I don't know whether I have the Zyclara or the generic. I definitely do not have the placebo. I started with 7 AKs and BCs on my face. After 2 weeks of applying once daily, there were 21 AKs and BCs. After 2 weeks of rest, there were 3 left. I'm 10 days into the 2nd phase and there are (to my eye) about 7 new inflamed ugly areas. I preferred the Peplin for several reasons. It was applied only for 3 days vs a total of 28. Other than the severe nasty ugly reaction and irritation at the site, I had no other symptoms. With the Zyclara (or the generic if I'm using that), I felt ok for the first 3 days. After that, I had (sorry) nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, cold sores, horrible fatigue. Who'd think a topical could make me feel so badly. The side effects persisted almost 10 days after finishing the 1st phase. The doc advised that I try taking Unisom each evening for the 2nd phase. While still tired and nauseous with some diarrhea, it is not nearly as bad as the first phase.
So now I've purchased some Petty Spurge seeds, and I will attempt to grow them indoors. I have so many areas of concern after years of black-red sunburns on fair skin. Unfortunately, these research studies don't treat the entire problem -- only the areas selected by the doctor.
Correction - the original Peplin study lasted 6-8 months. They added on an additional year. |
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clearlake
USA
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Posted - 06/20/2011 : 10:24:30
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| Wow Houston! Great Post! Everyone here who's tried Petty Spurge already feels like a guinea pig, but now we're hearing from a guinea pig who's gotten guidance! Very interesting that the treatment time is 3 days (for AKs). Interesting they did not have you cover it. I thought Peplin was supposed to come out with their product by now? Do you have any inside info on this? Please keep posting on your continued experimentation with Petty Spurge and let us know if the previously treated area is "cured" or what over time. Your skin sounds so much like mine, with all the problems . . . |
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Houston
USA
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Posted - 06/20/2011 : 10:58:54
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Hi - I am now about 2 years post Peplin treatment. (Just went on a woman's retreat last month and was really ugly for the same retreat 2 years ago!) I've seen nothing returning in the Peplin-treated area. The Zyclara/or Zyclara generic treatment has not pulled up anything new in this area either. Are you in Clear Lake, Texas? or somewhere else? I ask because the doctor is still taking patients for the Zyclara research. They tell me that my side reactions are not common. Nausea today.
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Wow Houston! Great Post! Everyone here who's tried Petty Spurge already feels like a guinea pig, but now we're hearing from a guinea pig who's gotten guidance! Very interesting that the treatment time is 3 days (for AKs). Interesting they did not have you cover it. I thought Peplin was supposed to come out with their product by now? Do you have any inside info on this? Please keep posting on your continued experimentation with Petty Spurge and let us know if the previously treated area is "cured" or what over time. Your skin sounds so much like mine, with all the problems . . .
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clearlake
USA
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Posted - 06/20/2011 : 15:14:12
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| No, I'm located in Florida. I've tried Aldara a few times, which Dan posted is similar to your Z stuff and I reacted strangely also. Aldara made me very hyper, if I applied it at night as they directed, it kept me up all night. If I applied by day it was just a weird day, and I guess it was hyping up my obviously slow immune system. I've read some negative things on this forum about Aldara side effects, and I'd just as soon stay away from it. |
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Houston
USA
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Posted - 06/20/2011 : 17:50:42
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| I also read Dan's Aldara post and was pretty frightened by it. I believe the Zyclara is a lesser strength of the IQ. I can deal with the nausea, headaches, exhaustion, etc., but more than this would be horrible. |
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julielshepard
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Posted - 06/26/2011 : 21:50:00
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OK, I am posting for the first time. Do not try this at home just had to try it. I have put up with AC since last November and now it is almost July. The constant itching, sloughing skin made me scared. Keep in mind my skin is very thin and pale and I avoid sun like crazy, so when I did the 6 mile walk on the hot day with no hat, well I got the AC on my forehead and nose. I tried the route of Apple Cider Vinegar first, with Mother, which is supposed to work, but it did not. So I looked for Petty Spurge and yesterday I sat in my car with a plastic pen lid. The little stick end that holds it to a shirt pocket is a perfect applicator. I slathered 10 plants' sap all over the forehead and nose. I'm sure I did the whole three day treatment in one day.
Day 1- One hour later the jalepeno sensation began and my forehead and nose got very hot. Four hours later the veins and muscles were standing up and throbbing. The throbbing continued all night long and I could not sleep well.
Day 2- Pizza Face comes to mind. Bubbled skin, raw underneath. I won't put more on because this reaction is so over the top already, I can't imagine how people apply it for a week. I would have no skin left.
Now the end of the day and the oozing is very bad. I am so scared for secondary infection that aloe vera went on first to help the intense itching, and now neosporin is my best friend. I have to pick the ooze back to stay at the eyebrow line because I know that will turn into a huge scab, it is already drying into a crust. I am very concerned that I rubbed the skin on my nose and it began to lift off to expose a huge pink skin like an open blister. Thus the concern for secondary infection. I have to lay back and watch my face swell like a huge bee sting. I want to cry because I am so scared, but I am hearing stories of surgeons much scarier than this, so I will trust those who have already been doing this. Here is a pick of day 2 pizza face. The red dots on nose and forehead have all ben replaced by uniform red swelling, oozing, jelly like skin under the initial dermis, and I feel like a clingon with that fat forehead piece on. |
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julielshepard
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Posted - 06/26/2011 : 22:24:05
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I keep trying to insert the image. here goes again for day 2 pizza face... As you will notice, my eyes have also swollen a bit, as has my whole face. I am very sensitive to any medications, which is why I better not put more on. My whole forehead is already a liquid ooze. You can see my nose also inflamed.
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julielshepard
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Posted - 06/26/2011 : 22:35:47
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I am attaching this pic of a petty spurge with my hand behind because I don't think people who look for it realize how tiny this plant really is. I found fully grown ones 8 inches high and fully seeding plants only three inches high.
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Brigid
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Posted - 06/26/2011 : 23:13:41
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Julie,
Sap from 10 plants is waaaaay too much. Where did you make cuts to get the sap? From the main stems?
The way most people apply the sap on this forum is to just get a drop---sometimes a tiny drop smaller than a straight pin head. You can cut a single leaf at the base, on the tiny stem that holds it to the larger stem. No need to cut any of the stems. One drop is enough for a little bump on your face. (For larger areas, one poster here has had a lot of success on himself and family members by crushing up some leaves, putting them on the larger areas and covering them with a bandage.) But glad you're stopping for now.
I understand wanting to get it all out at once. But it's often a process, and better to go slow with it. The max I've used is 7 drops on different areas at one application, and that was too much. (Just to give you some idea.)
It seems hard to believe when you're going through it but your face really will heal. If you look at the posts on this forum, you'll seem some pretty nasty sores and posts where people were scared too. They do heal. Check out the posts from the beginning. There's a lot of helpful info here.
Besides what you're already doing to prevent infection, you could take 2 - 5 grams of vitamin C, and an herbal antibiotic as well, such as echinacea or D-Lenolate, and keep sugar, peanut butter, cream, butter, coffee, colas (inflammatory foods) and any food allergens out of your diet while treating. Eating fresh ginger and raw olive oil helps reduce inflammation. I cooked with a lot of ginger while treating. Onions and mushrooms (or mushroom extract) also strengthen immunity.
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OK, I am posting for the first time. Do not try this at home just had to try it. I have put up with AC since last November and now it is almost July. The constant itching, sloughing skin made me scared. Keep in mind my skin is very thin and pale and I avoid sun like crazy, so when I did the 6 mile walk on the hot day with no hat, well I got the AC on my forehead and nose. I tried the route of Apple Cider Vinegar first, with Mother, which is supposed to work, but it did not. So I looked for Petty Spurge and yesterday I sat in my car with a plastic pen lid. The little stick end that holds it to a shirt pocket is a perfect applicator. I slathered 10 plants' sap all over the forehead and nose. I'm sure I did the whole three day treatment in one day.
Day 1- One hour later the jalepeno sensation began and my forehead and nose got very hot. Four hours later the veins and muscles were standing up and throbbing. The throbbing continued all night long and I could not sleep well.
Day 2- Pizza Face comes to mind. Bubbled skin, raw underneath. I won't put more on because this reaction is so over the top already, I can't imagine how people apply it for a week. I would have no skin left.
Now the end of the day and the oozing is very bad. I am so scared for secondary infection that aloe vera went on first to help the intense itching, and now neosporin is my best friend. I have to pick the ooze back to stay at the eyebrow line because I know that will turn into a huge scab, it is already drying into a crust. I am very concerned that I rubbed the skin on my nose and it began to lift off to expose a huge pink skin like an open blister. Thus the concern for secondary infection. I have to lay back and watch my face swell like a huge bee sting. I want to cry because I am so scared, but I am hearing stories of surgeons much scarier than this, so I will trust those who have already been doing this. Here is a pick of day 2 pizza face. The red dots on nose and forehead have all been replaced by uniform red swelling, oozing, jelly like skin under the initial dermis, and I feel like a clingon with that fat forehead piece on.
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julielshepard
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Posted - 06/27/2011 : 01:31:18
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Well, the itching stopped at the end of day 2. To answer your question, my A.k. had gone on for 8 months now and the itching was getting so intense that I was finally willing to try this. I didn't think it was this potent. I broke the fresh plant off near the top and took the drop of white sap, then another break and sap, and another break and sap until I had gotten down all major stems (IT DRIPS OUT)and gotten all the sap. I used pure sap, not ground leaves, because I had collected lots of plants and was able to give myself a large dose. I now see that the sun damage goes across my whole forehead and down the left side of my face, consistent with the direction we walked on a 6 mile march when the sun was at full noon (very stupid, I might add, while the young people still swear skin cancer is made up by the government, and they do not fear it) Here is a pic of the end of day 2 and the skin all coming off. The oozing has slowed and we are getting ready for a huge scab. I look like a large blister. Keep in mind the ac was across my whole forehead, not one or two dots, so I could not see where one started and the other ended- single dots would not have worked for me.It really was quite severe.
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Juls
USA
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Posted - 06/29/2011 : 17:46:52
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It has been a year since I last posted with my hopes of growing some PS. My first ones that I ordered from Aus. did not have much success. I grew them in the house in a room that was kept between 75 and 72 degrees. Built a ledge on a window for them so they got good light but not direct sunlight. They only got about 2-3 inches high then all wilted. I then ordered 4 more packs from Australia. Finally got around to planting them 8 weeks ago. This time however I have done them all outside. Mind you I live in Galveston,Tx and it is very hot here. Heat index in the 100's. They are on a little table out of direct sun and seem to be doing very well inspite of all I've read they do not like heat. But on the same note as was stated they like air thus not doing so well inside. I keep a very close eye on them and if I see they may not be doing well I will bring them in during the day and put them out at night.
In the big pot I put a whole pack of seeds in with just straight Miracle grow potting soil, In the 2 smaller pots I used a half of a pack in each. Their soil is mixed half with Miracle grow Violet potting soil(which is high in alkaline)and half regular Miracle grow potting soil. Now the big pot with a whole pack only half came up, the 2 small pots with a pack divided with the mixture of soil they ALL came up. Wasn't expecting them to all come up thus in small pots, so need to repot them soon. Hate to disturb them but will watch them on how they are doing if I need to repot. I still have 2 packs of seeds on stand by, but so far these seem to be doing ok outside in this heat.
Also read to pinch the tops which I read to late to do to make them a more bushy plant. Will next time.
Attaching photos I took today of them as the leaves seem so small right now. Wanted to know when you are able to start using them?
Also attaching photos of some of my cancer spots that are rather large and if anyone has used the PS on such large spots. I have numerous smaller places all over my arms,hands,chest, and face. The one on my lip I did have removed years ago. Was very small. They cut my lip in half and was only the size of a large pimple then. Said they got it all. Well it came back and a BAM and exploded. In the last year I am having a explosion of outbreaks coming out all over. Which I believe it is in my system spreading everywhere. Bad sign.
I'm not scared to try this PS because the way I look at it as you see from the photos they are now quite large and very ugly to look at, so what a doctor would do to me I would lose my lip and such with their surgery now. The large ones are extremely painful, one on my lip as you can see now starting to eat my lip and the one on my arm that is in the fold of my arm is very painful as where it is with moment.I am embarrassed to go out anymore. Haven't been fishing in over a year now which is my favorite thing to do. I avoid the sun and have become a prisoner in my own home. I have tried some of the other home treatments on here, from eggplant,vitamin C,amonia,vinager,you name it, was posted on here I tried it. I really don't care about any scaring from the PS as you can see anything would be an Improvement from what I look like now. People look at me like I have something contagious.
So anyway just wanted to share and ask if the plants were big enough and when I start I will keep photos of my progress of such large spots.
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clearlake
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Posted - 07/03/2011 : 16:15:42
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| Juls, are you sure it's cancer? Have you had a biopsy to confirm? Awfully rapid acceleration for Basal Cell - supposedly so slow growing. Looks almost like Eczema. |
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waverider
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Posted - 07/03/2011 : 19:59:34
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Not a doctor and not playing one, but this has a resemblance to superficial basal cell.
http://www.dermapics.com/superficial%20basal%20cell%20carcinoma.html
Superficial BCC is less common than the nodular or ulcerative BCC that most people get. It really likes to spring up on the shoulders and upper back. As the name implies, superficial spreads horizontally just beneath the top of the skin vs. digging down deep vertically like nodular BCC does. It typically covers more real estate than other types but spreads wide, not deep. For what its worth, it is my recollection that superficial BCC is easier to treat with topicals for that reason. For example, if you read the literature, all the early tests of the Peplin petty spurge gel were done on superficial BCC, not on nodular or ulcerative. I think petty spurge is reputed to be effective on superficial because there is less requirement for it to be absorbed so deep into the skin as with other forms of BCC. I would google and research it specifically as "superficial basal cell," because it's distinctly different from more common types of BCC.
I can't tell from the camera angle how tall your PS plants are, Juls. But they look healthy and juicy and, consider that they probably aren't going to get much higher than 12 inches anyway before their life cycle times out. My crop is already dead stalks in this heat. |
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BigD
Australia
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Posted - 08/10/2011 : 23:19:15
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Radium weed/Milkweed mentioned on the news in Australia today. A 2 minute piece giving some background on how it has been used as a treatment for years by ppl in the know and then a cut away to a lab in QLD that is continuing with research (getting correct dosage and length of treatment). Quote from the intervewee was "expect the topical cream to be available to the market early next year". Hopefully good news for those that are unable to grow the plant locally.
A note to those that are attempting to grow from seed, I did the same thing myself last year. This year now that I had a good idea on what the plant looked like in the flesh, not just pictures on the net, I had a closer look around where I live. To my surprise the plant is everywhere, prefers slightly shaded conditions, loose soil and loves cleared earth. I live on the coast in Western Australia. |
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Just Turned 50
USA
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Posted - 08/11/2011 : 11:12:05
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| That sounds almost too good to be true. I'm so hopeful. I just ordered the seeds a few days ago. This could be wonderful for all of us. |
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TIsmalltown
USA
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Posted - 08/13/2011 : 22:16:19
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Hi all, I am a rank newbie to PS compared to all of you, although I have done a lot of reading through this forum over past weeks -- what a powerful resource. I've been applying PS to a BCC on my lower leg, and found through trial and error that I really have to apply this stuff strongly to that area to get it to work; also the BCC ended up being much larger than I thought but that's a familiar story.
Anyhow, I somehow missed the fact that PS responds much, much differently on the face, and (being a hopeless experimenter) decided to apply it to my nose, since I've burned the skin there so many times ... just to see if it found something. Well, I'm getting quite a reaction (ouch!), with my entire nose now resembling a puffy tomato.
So my question is, should I take this as evidence that PS found some things it didn't like on my nose, or is this simply how it reacts there? I feel like I understand the process on my leg pretty well, but the face seems to be a whole different animal.
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marsha
USA
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Posted - 08/14/2011 : 10:26:32
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| waverider, I really think your right on about the differnt types of bc,s and degreas of dephth. |
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marsha
USA
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Posted - 08/14/2011 : 10:29:26
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| waverider, I really think you are "right on" about the differnt types of bc,s and degreas of depth. |
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Alexis Fecteau
USA
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Posted - 08/14/2011 : 18:00:45
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I hope you don't have the pleasure of exploring the infrequent side effects that are found in the clinical trials that some people experience! It works magic in most people, but I would definitely use very little in sensitive areas if the reactions are so severe. I think that if the area recovers rapidly after application is stopped, you should be ok.
That is what happened with mine when I overdid it on a bcc, used so much that the healthy skin surrounding started peeling, but it recovered miraculously fast once the applications stopped.
It is quite powerful medicine, don't underestimate it.
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BigD
Australia
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Posted - 08/15/2011 : 00:08:11
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Originally posted by TIsmalltown
In my experience putting the sap onto any area of the face, especially the nose, upper cheeks and forehead has led to redness, scabbing and peeling. Of course if you have already experienced skin cancer there then your initial thought is there must be something there to cause it to react. That may be the case but the sap has a highly corrosive nature as well so the more delicate skin of the face is probably going to react anyway. Something like a strong chemical peel which contributes to the improved appearance of the skin once treatment is finished. As I've posted before I tend to do a whole area instead of isolated spots and have noted that the nose, upper cheeks and forehead will always react and peel. |
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TIsmalltown
USA
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Posted - 08/18/2011 : 20:06:07
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| Thank you Big D, I wondered if it was something like that, I guess there's no way to tell for sure if it "found something" or not, but you can bet I will be more deliberate in the future before applying it to the face. |
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Just Turned 50
USA
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Posted - 08/19/2011 : 00:20:47
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| I just got my seeds in the mail today. I'm so excited to try this! |
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Jack Riggs
USA
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Posted - 08/24/2011 : 17:41:20
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| I am wondering if anyone has tried Perrins Cream Complete for their BCC. I've been using it for about two weeks now and it seems to curtail the size somewhat. I've ordered the Petty Surge seeds and got them today in mail and have sowed the seeds. I've been reading from all the post's about the PS treatment and am anxious to try this plant but in the meantime I'm using the Perrins cream. Has any body had luck with this cream. Jack |
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Overthere
USA
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Posted - 08/25/2011 : 10:26:12
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I'm in eastern Nebraska near Omaha.
I would (desperately) like to purchase a Petty Spurge plant for immediate use.
My seeds just arrived from Australia, but I have an immediate need. I figure the plants are 2-3 months until mature...
If you have an extra plant that's healthy and producing sap now, please let me know. You can email me by clicking on my user name (at left) and sending me an email.
Thanks |
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Irene
Canada
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Posted - 08/26/2011 : 13:50:52
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You can "pinch back" your young plants when they have about 6 leaves - that will give you a tiny drop of sap from each plant.
Should not take more than about 4 weeks to get to that stage.
Link to review "pinching back": http://www.gardeningknowhow.com/gardening-how-to/pinching-plant.htm
If you want to come visit Burlington, Ontario, Canada, I can sell you a nice healthy plant! LOL
Irene
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Originally posted by Overthere
I'm in eastern Nebraska near Omaha.
I would (desperately) like to PURCHASE a Petty Spurge plant for immediate use.
My seeds just arrived from Australia, but I have an immediate need. I figure the plants are 2-3 months until mature...
If you have an extra plant that's healthy and producing sap now, please let me know. You can email me by clicking on my user name (at left) and sending me an email.
Thanks
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Alexis Fecteau
USA
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Posted - 08/26/2011 : 14:13:08
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Hi Overthere:
I may have a healthy plant in my garden, I have several that grew wild this year, and a few in a pot. If you can tell me how to send a live plant I might be able to help.
I'll check on them since I just returned from a long trip - and will see if they're still viable and producing sap.
Alexis Fecteau
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Alexis Fecteau
USA
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Posted - 08/27/2011 : 01:51:47
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Hi, I'll repost my email here to make sure you get it:
I germinated the plants within 3 days in moist soil in those little 2" peat planters and put 3 seeds in each of 10 peat starters. 20+ plants came up.
Once they're about 2" tall just take the net off the peat starter and put in the good soil. If it's warm out I recommend letting them live outside, the dew at night makes them grow like gangbusters, on the other hand, a cooler place outside would be good if possible, definitely in the shade, maybe a little sun.
No insights into growing it in winter, other than I suspect it will grow slower based on my indoor/outdoor growing experiences, however, if you mist them a couple times of day.
Alexis
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BBirdz
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Posted - 08/28/2011 : 01:38:23
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Hi All-
After waiting for my little plants to grow and a window of down time I've finally begun my first ever petty spurge treatment of a 1/8" lesion on my upper lip- probably BCC, not biopsied but I've had enough of these to be 95% sure it's what I'm dealing with. I'm documenting with photos and notes and will post at the end in the hope that it will be helpful to other first timers just as so many of the posts here have been for me. I am hugely grateful for the brave pioneering work and sharing done here.
Here's a question for some of you veterans: I have been following SoFl's treatment that he used and I'm nearing the end of Day 4. After the first day when I saw it wasn't going to eat my lip off :-) I started using the "turbo" approach with the leaf and bandaid and have not left the lesion uncovered since. Towards the end of the third day it looked like a clean pit had formed, however the next morning it was all filled in again with soft looking tissue- not a scab. I tried to gently clean it out with peroxide & warm water but it seemed pretty solid and I didn't want to scrub too hard on it in case it was new healed tissue forming. I did a fourth application over this and covered again. This time it REALLY stung and burned for the first time. So my question is how hard do you scrub on these things and how do you know if it's healing over or if I still need to go in and clean it out to get to the bottom? Does the stinging mean there is still some cancer in there? It was virtually painless up until now.
Also I see from most people here that you either allow the wound to be left open and scab from the get go or you remove scabs daily as you go but either way you eventually uncover and let it scab over once the cancer is eaten away. I've read that recent studies show a wound will heal 40% faster if left covered vs exposing it to air and allowing a scab to form. And supposedly it will have less scaring this way. Any thoughts or experience on this? Maybe this kind of treatment wound is different. I noticed that in the clinical trials mentioned above that they did not cover the lesions at any phase of the treatment. Thanks so much for any input you might have! |
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SRM
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Posted - 08/30/2011 : 23:53:45
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A wild shot here. I live in Perth WA does anyone know of the plants growing in this area?
Hi! Just found this forum and have been busy reading up in the last few hours. Did you manage to find where to get this in Perth? Sounds very promising. I too am loathe to go the Efudix route just yet. |
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BigD
Australia
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 19:49:53
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Hello SRM, Yes I found the plant, literally all over the place. I live down in Rockingham and I cant walk 50M without spotting the plant growing in either someones garden or along fence lines and footpaths. Best tip I can give is the area needs to be reasonably shaded, not full sun. At the end of this month I would say it will be coming to the end of the growing cycle for this year so you would need to get out now and find some. Take a walk around your neigborhood and check the fencelines and garden beds and you will probably find some.
P.S. Far superior to Efudix as a treatment
Hi! Just found this forum and have been busy reading up in the last few hours. Did you manage to find where to get this in Perth? Sounds very promising. I too am loathe to go the Efudix route just yet.
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SRM
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Posted - 09/03/2011 : 22:48:24
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Hi BigD...Thanks very much. Seems I may actually have some growing in my yard!(Don Burke I ain't).
Yes, I'm going to give this a try. Just need to verify it is the correct plant and get the length and duration of dosage and where to apply it sorted. Seems be some varying ways of using this stuff. I'm slightly cautious about using it, though the very encouraging reports of its effectiveness has me committed to it I think. Thanks again. |
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bright1
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/05/2011 : 08:51:17
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| Hi I found this site a few months ago when I was diagnosed with a bcc on my cheek just under my eye close to the nose. I have been treating the spot with petty spurge on and off (depending on work commitments) since then and although it has shrunk considerably, I believe the underlying problem is still there. I have just discovered a couple small white 'dots' like whiteheads on the upper rim of my eye away the cancer site. I have seen these actually in the treatment area when ps was applied but not spontaneously springing up away from the site. Does anyone have any ideas about this? |
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anivoc
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Posted - 11/05/2011 : 14:15:40
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Originally posted by bright1
I have just discovered a couple small white 'dots' like whiteheads on the upper rim of my eye away the cancer site. I have seen these actually in the treatment area when ps was applied but not spontaneously springing up away from the site. Does anyone have any ideas about this?
Definitely has occurred when I treated with Bloodroot paste 1/4 to 1/2" away from the actual application...Don't really know...maybe root ends from the original? All I can tell you is they went away and were never a real problem later. Definitely connected somehow to the application nearby..maybe just puss from the original site finding its way out via pores in the skin...not sure |
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bright1
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/06/2011 : 05:52:17
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| Thanks anivoc for your kind response. I googled white dots on eye lid and it said something about calcium depositis following conjuctivitis which I have had recently so maybe they are connected to bcc or maybe not. I guess I will have to wait and see. As this cancer is so close to my eye, I am finding the whole experience very unnerving. I have treated it five times now (3/4 days each time)since mid-July and it is still quite active as I can tell from the area of redness and blistering each time I apply ps. I keep re-reading the entries in this topic to give myself some comfort and hope that eventually it will be destroyed totally but negativity is setting in. I am seeing the consultant again at the end of January and am tempted to ask her to sharpen her scalpel.Maybe I am just going through a bit of a low not helped by the fact that everyone in my life thinks I am mad for taking this approach.. BTW where has everyone gone on this topic; it seems I joined just as everyone else was moving on. I could do with the company right now. |
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thanks01
USA
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Posted - 11/06/2011 : 15:08:00
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I have been re-visiting the site recently, spurred on by a friend who had to have a type of medical treatment all over his face. I just want to let Bright1 know that people are often here reading but not necessarily posting.
Actually I have tried Petty Spurge for the FIRST time recently on a small, un-diagnosed spot, and plan to write up the experience, which I would term "positive" in outcome.
For various reasons I am not yet ready to produce the write-up, but yes, this is a favorite website of mine and the Petty Spurge threads are the ones that I always check in on, since so far to me this seems to be one of the most convincing treatments.
I might also note for Bright1 that the location of my original (and diagnosed) BCC was in almost the exact same location as the one Bright1 describes. Even now, so close to the eye, I might not dare to use Petty Spurge there, so it would be interesting to have Bright1 post some more details on experiences and success with treatment.
At that time (nearly 3 years ago)I chose the medical alternative, and it might be worth noting that this included Mohs surgery (expensive) and cosmetic repair by a plastic surgeon (expensive). Luckily we were covered by some insurance plans, but for those who aren't, this is why the forum and its explorations are so important. |
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BigD
Australia
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Posted - 11/06/2011 : 18:48:34
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Hello Bright1, having had plenty of experience with using PS on my face plus near the eyes I would like to comment on your statement saying "˙ou are still seeing a reaction", Petty Spurge has a caustic side to its activity and in my experience if applying the sap to the delicate skin of the face, you will always get a reaction even if there is no cancer there. If you have treated for 3-4 days the PS will have done its job. You need to let the site heal and after a few weeks you should be able to judge whether the cancer has gone. In my experience it will have.
Regards BigD
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Originally posted by bright1
Thanks anivoc for your kind response. I googled white dots on eye lid and it said something about calcium depositis following conjuctivitis which I have had recently so maybe they are connected to bcc or maybe not. I guess I will have to wait and see. As this cancer is so close to my eye, I am finding the whole experience very unnerving. I have treated it five times now (3/4 days each time)since mid-July and it is still quite active as I can tell from the area of redness and blistering each time I apply ps. I keep re-reading the
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waverider
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Posted - 11/06/2011 : 22:24:15
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| I want to strongly concur with BigD. I guess it's the natural human impulse to want to knock it out in one concentrated blitz, but I feel that continued use of PS beyond 5 days is probably unnecessary and may be counter-productive. I found that the caustic side effect of PS continues to keep the area in an "open wound" state and not healing as long as you use it. This may be misinterpreted as evidence that there is still BCC present when, in fact, it is long gone. The only way you can find out for sure, however, is to discontinue treatment, allow the area to heal and then see what you've got. If it turns out (as was my experience) that there are still some small hot spots remaining, it is a simple matter to just hit them again with PS. It works just as well the second time around. After it heals you can also use orange oil to test for a sting response which is a pretty accurate indicator of BCC. I think a consensus is developing that "more" is not necessarily "better" with petty spurge. |
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bright1
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/07/2011 : 08:02:16
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| Hi and thanks BigD and Waverider for your advice. I have treated this bcc five time in total since mid-July, each time for between 3 and 5 days only, letting it heal completely in between. Each time the area healed beautifully but still with a little bit of the original lump left, getting smaller each time. I am now questioning whether it would have been better to have treated continuously in the first place and got it over with in one go as I feel it has 'gronw back' each time I stopped treating. I will know for sure in January when I will have a punch biopsy done on the site to see what's happening (my consultant knows what I have been doing). I am a little nervous however because all my plants have now set seed and are dying off so I will be without my medicine chest until they grow back in spring. I did notice this time that there was one 'thread' of inflammation going right up into my eye this time which is what has freaked me out. But yes I agree that the reaction could be just the caustic effect of the PS sap and I am worrying (and treating) unnecessarily. Has anyone got rid of a 1yr old bcc completely as proven by biopsy and if so what was the exact treatment protocol? I so appreciate the replies, makes me feel less crazy. |
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bright1
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/07/2011 : 09:22:14
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| oh and thanks to Thanks1 as well...I missed your post earlier as I was reading from bottom up and didn't quite get that far. I'd be happy to document my experiences treating my BCC if it would be of any help. In retrospect I wonder whether if I had done it continuously for a much longer time, I would have had better results. But it's all experimentation. Thankfully I only have this one lesion; if I had lots I would be very anxious by now. |
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Quercus
USA
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Posted - 11/09/2011 : 18:47:31
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Wow! New to forum. Read thru almost all the posts on PS and it sure looks promising. After spending an entire lifetime in the SoCal sun I have more then just a few spots. Removed several with Skin Answer, but need something a bit stronger for the spots on my arms. I am currently going to try the eggplant remedy on my face, but would like to obtain some PS for my arms and back. Does anyone here in the states have some seeds available or knows of a location in San Bernardino area of Calif where I might find it growing wild?
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radiologist
USA
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Posted - 11/11/2011 : 04:42:14
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| Thanks all of you.Previously I am not aware that this remedy treatments for skin cancer now i know this from you people thanks for sharing. |
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waverider
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Posted - 11/11/2011 : 10:03:15
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Originally posted by Quercus
Does anyone here in the states have some seeds available or knows of a location in San Bernardino area of Calif where I might find it growing wild?
You're probably better off just getting it from the Australian source
http://www.beautanicals.com.au/Petty%20spurge.html
Only takes about 10 days to get it to the US. Then about 6 weeks to get a plant to grow large enough to use. If you think you'll need it next year, now's the time to get seeds and plant. PS is a winter annual. Though it's apparently possible to get it to grow in summer under controlled conditions, mine always drop dead by June or July. I am in CA (LA) and have seen it randomly but never while I was looking for it. Usually in sheltered spots that are sort of damp. You will never find it growing wild in CA later than June or July. Last year I was doing some work at a house up in the hills during the winter rainy season. The backyard was untended for years and weedy, sheltered and soggy. Only got about 3 hours of sun a day. There was a small forest of PS growing there, covering half the yard. That's the kind of environment it likes. |
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Quercus
USA
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Posted - 11/11/2011 : 11:45:09
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| Thanks I will just order some if I can't find any growing near the mountains. |
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Sundazed
USA
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Posted - 11/22/2011 : 16:01:42
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| I have just been diagnosed with a few BCC lesions. Has anyone from south Florida planted PS with success? |
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lonewolf1218
USA
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Posted - 11/23/2011 : 23:39:10
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| I finally got my plants to grow after many attemps.My question is when I put the sap on do I cover with a bandaid?And how many treatments should I do? |
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chicagohit
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2011 : 13:57:49
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Just joined. After 20+ MOHS surgeries I just can't go through any more. I was given imiquimod as the first non-surgical treatment I even heard of. It worked great on a spot on my back that was not nodule. I snuck it in for one on my forehead and it worked great.
Got another spot on my back and one next to my nose. I'm running out of imiquimod and it is really expensive. I just ordered my PS seeds. If nothing else I am very glad to be actively treating, not just passively getting a biopsy and then MOHS.
There is also a Facebook PS page. It has just a few members right now.
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Thomas Haugen
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Eunice
USA
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Posted - 12/30/2011 : 12:05:21
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Originally posted by BigD
Hello Bright1, having had plenty of experience with using PS on my face plus near the eyes I would like to comment on your statement saying "˙ou are still seeing a reaction", Petty Spurge has a caustic side to its activity and in my experience if applying the sap to the delicate skin of the face, you will always get a reaction even if there is no cancer there. If you have treated for 3-4 days the PS will have done its job. You need to let the site heal and after a few weeks you should be able to judge whether the cancer has gone. In my experience it will have.
Regards BigD
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Originally posted by bright1
Thanks anivoc for your kind response. I googled white dots on eye lid and it said something about calcium depositis following conjuctivitis which I have had recently so maybe they are connected to bcc or maybe not. I guess I will have to wait and see. As this cancer is so close to my eye, I am finding the whole experience very unnerving. I have treated it five times now (3/4 days each time)since mid-July and it is still quite active as I can tell from the area of redness and blistering each time I apply ps. I keep re-reading the
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marsha
USA
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Posted - 01/02/2012 : 01:59:40
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| I also used petty spurge on a cople of spots, more than a week, they returned.They left a bump that was kind of weird.I know these places were deep. I found ps too painful, so I went back to using Curaderm. |
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Eunice
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 14:39:01
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Originally posted by lonewolf1218
I finally got my plants to grow after many attemps.My question is when I put the sap on do I cover with a bandaid?And how many treatments should I do?
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Alexis Fecteau
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2012 : 17:52:17
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I would recommend 2x per day for 3 days to start. Then see how it is going. The bandaid is likely not necessary for the spot since it will have soaked in after a few minutes, but it may be useful so you don't get sap on an unwanted body part, garment, or other object.
Alexis Fecteau
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Jilly
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Posted - 01/18/2012 : 05:48:15
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Hi All,
So like many of you after reading all the threads I decided to avoid MOHS surgery for now and try PS. I have a non-biopsied BCC on my upper lip which has been seen by three dr.s (two MoHS) Firstly, I wanted to post some photos of the plant I have found growing in abundance underneath my building as I am unsure whether they are PS. They look like the ones in most of the photos however they do not have red stems and seem more like the "dwarf" plants that have been mentioned in the thread. There is white sap but the plants themselves are about 10 cm at the most. Any input appreciated.
Secondly, I already am on day three of applying it. I have been applying once a day and leaving uncovered. I wash it off before going to sleep. Predictably the tumor formed a scab almost immediately which became thicker over the last two days. I did have other hot spots appear on my face that I treated as well but no scab formed really, just oozing. The real fear set in this morning, I woke up and the area was inflamed and looked infected. The scab came off but there was no "pit". This reaction could have been the result of me putting iodine on it last night before going to sleep after washing off the PS or not??? I also put antibiotic ointment on it as well as I was getting worried about secondary infection. I don't have an intense throbbing although it is MUCH more sore now then yesterday. The first three days were fine, no pain at all. SO the question is, should I leave it for now and wait for the swelling and inflammation and pain to subside or should I continue to treat (this would be day 4) ANY advice would be appreciated, Thanks. Photos to follow. |
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Jilly
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Posted - 01/18/2012 : 06:51:06
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Here are days 2-4, unfortunately I didn't photograph the first day of what it originally looked like. it was basically a raised, (3 or 4 mm ht, 5mm width )nodular BCC, smooth and white.
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BBirdz
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Posted - 01/19/2012 : 04:31:26
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Jilly-
For what it's worth, I treated a unbiopsied nodular BCC in almost the same location as yours last August. I only treated for 4 days. After a pit formed and then filled in over night I decided to stop treating and see where I was. I am just starting to re-treat the same spot today as I don't think I got it all the first time. It still stings slightly when orange oil is applied and is starting to raise again slightly. However the lump was and is completely gone after treatment, leaving a slightly larger flat white footprint or scar where it had been. My spot looked almost identical to yours at day 4 with bubbling white blisters surrounding the main area. The pit was not even visible anymore.
Your plant photos look a little different than mine which were grown from the austrailian seed. They started with green stems but all had red stems once they were matured a month or so. It's hard to tell the size or age of these plants from the photo. The leaves on my plants are also more tapered- seem less rounded on the end. Hope this helps. Please keep us posted on your progress. Might be good to get a few others impressions as there may be variations in how the plant looks. |
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Jilly
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Posted - 01/19/2012 : 12:01:35
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Hi there, thanks for the input. Its looking MUCh better today and the scabbing is already starting to come off again. Will post photos tomorrow. Its hard for me to see if there is a pit or not as once the initial hard scab fell off, it re-scabbed again the same day! I did keep applying the antibiotic spray and then I covered it with silver sulfadiazine cream for burns. I do believe that this accelerated the healing process. I will wait until all scabbing is off and then determine whether to retreat with the PS. I delayed my apt. with the MOHS dr. until the end of Feb. Regarding the plant, yes it definitely does have rounder leaves then the ones from OZ and these do not have red stems though they have only just sprouted up in the last three weeks or so with the rain. I live in Israel where it only rains in Jan and Feb so not much "weedage" during the rest of the year. I can only assume that it is PS as it worked in exactly the same way as described here in the forum. I will try to take a close up of the whole plant. I basically just pull them out from the root and then once I get home I break the stem (there really only ever is one for now) and the sap forms a droplet. Interestingly if I try to break the stem in another part higher up after its already been broken, no sap comes out. Its like a one snap sap weed. I would really like verification of the plant, I may email a photo to the OZ seed place and see if someone can verify. quote:
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Jilly-
For what it's worth, I treated a unbiopsied nodular BCC in almost the same location as yours last August. I only treated for 4 days. After a pit formed and then filled in over night I decided to stop treating and see where I was. I am just starting to re-treat the same spot today as I don't think I got it all the first time. It still stings slightly when orange oil is applied and is starting to raise again slightly. However the lump was and is completely gone after treatment, leaving a slightly larger flat white footprint or scar where it had been. My spot looked almost identical to yours at day 4 with bubbling white blisters surrounding the main area. The pit was not even visible anymore.
Your plant photos look a little different than mine which were grown from the austrailian seed. They started with green stems but all had red stems once they were matured a month or so. It's hard to tell the size or age of these plants from the photo. The leaves on my plants are also more tapered- seem less rounded on the end. Hope this helps. Please keep us posted on your progress. Might be good to get a few others impressions as there may be variations in how the plant looks.
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Brigid
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Posted - 01/19/2012 : 13:18:18
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Originally posted by Jilly
Hi there, thanks for the input. Its looking MUCh better today and the scabbing is already starting to come off again. Will post photos tomorrow. Its hard for me to see if there is a pit or not as once the initial hard scab fell off, it re-scabbed again the same day! I did keep applying the antibiotic spray and then I covered it with silver sulfadiazine cream for burns. I do believe that this accelerated the healing process. I will wait until all scabbing is off and then determine whether to retreat with the PS. I delayed my apt. with the MOHS dr. until the end of Feb. Regarding the plant, yes it definitely does have rounder leaves then the ones from OZ and these do not have red stems though they have only just sprouted up in the last three weeks or so with the rain. I live in Israel where it only rains in Jan and Feb so not much "weedage" during the rest of the year. I can only assume that it is PS as it worked in exactly the same way as described here in the forum. I will try to take a close up of the whole plant. I basically just pull them out from the root and then once I get home I break the stem (there really only ever is one for now) and the sap forms a droplet. Interestingly if I try to break the stem in another part higher up after its already been broken, no sap comes out. Its like a one snap sap weed. I would really like verification of the plant, I may email a photo to the OZ seed place and see if someone can verify. quote:
Originally posted by BBirdz
Jilly-
For what it's worth, I treated a unbiopsied nodular BCC in almost the same location as yours last August. I only treated for 4 days. After a pit formed and then filled in over night I decided to stop treating and see where I was. I am just starting to re-treat the same spot today as I don't think I got it all the first time. It still stings slightly when orange oil is applied and is starting to raise again slightly. However the lump was and is completely gone after treatment, leaving a slightly larger flat white footprint or scar where it had been. My spot looked almost identical to yours at day 4 with bubbling white blisters surrounding the main area. The pit was not even visible anymore.
Your plant photos look a little different than mine which were grown from the austrailian seed. They started with green stems but all had red stems once they were matured a month or so. It's hard to tell the size or age of these plants from the photo. The leaves on my plants are also more tapered- seem less rounded on the end. Hope this helps. Please keep us posted on your progress. Might be good to get a few others impressions as there may be variations in how the plant looks.
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Brigid
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Posted - 01/19/2012 : 13:29:58
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Hi everyone. I haven't been on the forum for a long time. Curious about red stems--my petty spurge from Australian seed and from Irene's seed never had red stems. Is that maybe more powerful? I'm feeling it's time to treat again b/c some areas are itching again. Sure sign. And also when they turn red from applying coconut oil. For me that's a great diagnostic too (painless) for knowing where it's spread. The spurge just doesn't hold me, I have to keep repeating every so often. The one tumor with invasive bc AND scc has not gone away. Time to go back and read Dan's info at the beginning of this wonderful website. (Thanks Dan!)
Jilly for pain if you treat again, try taking homeopathic belladonna. It's for burns and it works for me. Sometimes I've had to take it every 15 minutes. You can't overdose on it. If you haven't taken homeopathy before, read up on how to take and what to avoid.
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waverider
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Posted - 01/19/2012 : 18:51:19
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Jilly,
Hard to tell if its PS by the pics but it certainly bears some resemblance. The 10 cm height ( ~ 3 inches) seems short but, you’re right, some PS does have dwarf genes. I’ve grown a few that never got more than 5 inches full grown. As for the red/purple stem, that tends to be more evident on mature plants and I don’t know how old yours are. The genus name for petty spurge is Euphorbia Peplus. This page has pictures of the Israeli variety which is probably local to you. It seems to flourish there: http://flora.huji.ac.il/browse.asp?action=specie&specie=EUPPEP&fileid=6795
All varieties of spurge/milkweed produce milky sap and all of it is caustic on your skin. However, only petty spurge has the specific chemotherapeutic properties against skin cancer, we know that for sure. In your case, it looks like it nuked the nodule pretty well and excavated down into the dermis, which is consistent with the action of PS as I’ve experienced it. By the way I never got pain or any particular response until the third day. The first day it just acted like I had squeezed some inert milky substance on it which produced no reaction. Certainly by day 3 I saw major combat going on. PS does not "burn" away the cancer, it induces the cancer cells to destroy themselves, so its a messy process.
I’ve always seen no downside in stopping treatment, letting it heal up, then evaluating results. It’s *really* hard to tell what you’ve got until you do that as the caustic properties of PS may continue to cause inflammation and keep the wound open as long as you keep relentlessly applying it. This may create the impression there’s still active BCC present, when actually what you’re seeing is reaction to the caustic action of the PS. After it heals up a little, the use of orange oil as mentioned by others is a good test to see if any residual BCC remains. If it turns out there are still some hot spots -- as was my experience -- you can always hit it with another round as a mop up action. It seems to function just as well the second time around.
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Jilly
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Posted - 01/20/2012 : 04:21:19
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Hi Waverider, thanks for your input. The plants are only a few weeks old, most of the year its dry here and the gardner comes every few months and cleans up the building area so there is never really any growth except in winter. Its quite extraordinary if it is PS as I did try to look far and wide here though Herbalists and Nurseries to no avail, and voila, its right under my nose. I will post more photos today. The scab is now off and I can see that it did exactly as you say, nodule is gone and it looks as if it stopped at the dermis. I can see the remnants of the tumor below as one white mass probably 4mm in diameter (not scar tissue) so I will need to reapply. I will start next week once the skin is a bit more healed. I thought that might be the case as when the first scab fell off I did not see a "pit". Will keep posting photos Thanks again for taking the time to respond. I appreciate it. quote:
Originally posted by waverider
Jilly,
Hard to tell if its PS by the pics but it certainly bears some resemblance. The 10 cm height ( ~ 3 inches) seems short but, you’re right, some PS does have dwarf genes. I’ve grown a few that never got more than 5 inches full grown. As for the red/purple stem, that tends to be more evident on mature plants and I don’t know how old yours are. The genus name for petty spurge is Euphorbia Peplus. This page has pictures of the Israeli variety which is probably local to you. It seems to flourish there: http://flora.huji.ac.il/browse.asp?action=specie&specie=EUPPEP&fileid=6795
All varieties of spurge/milkweed produce milky sap and all of it is caustic on your skin. However, only petty spurge has the specific chemotherapeutic properties against skin cancer, we know that for sure. In your case, it looks like it nuked the nodule pretty well and excavated down into the dermis, which is consistent with the action of PS as I’ve experienced it. By the way I never got pain or any particular response until the third day. The first day it just acted like I had squeezed some inert milky substance on it which produced no reaction. Certainly by day 3 I saw major combat going on. PS does not "burn" away the cancer, it induces the cancer cells to destroy themselves, so its a messy process.
I’ve always seen no downside in stopping treatment, letting it heal up, then evaluating results. It’s *really* hard to tell what you’ve got until you do that as the caustic properties of PS may continue to cause inflammation and keep the wound open as long as you keep relentlessly applying it. This may create the impression there’s still active BCC present, when actually what you’re seeing is reaction to the caustic action of the PS. After it heals up a little, the use of orange oil as mentioned by others is a good test to see if any residual BCC remains. If it turns out there are still some hot spots -- as was my experience -- you can always hit it with another round as a mop up action. It seems to function just as well the second time around.
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Jilly
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Posted - 01/20/2012 : 04:59:29
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Hi All,
Following on from my plant verification thread, im posting some much clearer photos of what I think is PS. I'm also posting days five and six (no treatment since day three)
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waverider
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Posted - 01/20/2012 : 13:46:02
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Looks like a pretty close match with this:
http://www.calflora.net/bloomingplants/pettyspurge.html
Amazing to have them in your own backyard, so to speak. They look very sap-worthy. You should go into the seed business. Remember to wash your hands after even handling these plants like that as they exude sap residue without even cutting them. Definitely don't rub your eyes accidentally afterwards, like I did.
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Jilly
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Posted - 01/20/2012 : 14:36:44
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Yup truly amazing, there just happen to be loads, though it will no doubt be short lived. I may have to dig some up and try to replant in a planter box in my apartment before the gardner comes to clean it all up. I did get a confirmation today from a botanist dr. from the link you posted so thanks for that. Serendipity, Gods will, plain ole good luck, it seems my meeting with PS was meant to be. I didn't include this in the original post but in between going to the dermo and MOHS dr's I also had the good fortune to consult with a Dermo/Surgeon from OZ who just happened to be holidaying in Israel...after doing some due diligence before meeting him it turns out that he ran some of the trials for Peplin before it was bought and was the FDA liaison. Small world really. quote:
Originally posted by waverider
Looks like a pretty close match with this:
http://www.calflora.net/bloomingplants/pettyspurge.html
Amazing to have them in your own backyard, so to speak. They look very sap-worthy. You should go into the seed business. Remember to wash your hands after even handling these plants like that as they exude sap residue without even cutting them. Definitely don't rub your eyes accidentally afterwards, like I did.
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BigD
Australia
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Posted - 02/02/2012 : 04:28:16
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Hello Jill, I had a similar experience wth finding PS growing in the back yard. Since becoming more experienced with recognising the plant I have been amazed to find that the plant is available virtually all year round. In the hotter months if u look for the more sheltered locations with a little more water u may find the plant growing locally even in the off season.
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Jilly
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Posted - 02/02/2012 : 07:41:11
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Hi there, yes I have found it in other places, actually little forests of it, pic to follow. I just wish I could somehow send it to other people who need it. I just started the 3rd application to the same spot and hope this will get to the root of it. One thing is certain it DEFINITELY works, no doubt. Interestingly I stumbled across this today,
http://articles.boston.com/2012-01-31/business/31004809_1_fda-approval-richard-pazdur-basal-cell
The price tag is ridiculous but I wonder how effective it is.
Cheers,
Jilly
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Originally posted by BigD
Hello Jill, I had a similar experience wth finding PS growing in the back yard. Since becoming more experienced with recognising the plant I have been amazed to find that the plant is available virtually all year round. In the hotter months if u look for the more sheltered locations with a little more water u may find the plant growing locally even in the off season.
regards
David
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Jilly
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Alexis Fecteau
USA
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Posted - 02/02/2012 : 08:11:35
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quote:
Originally posted by Jilly
Thought this may be of interest for those of you here
http://pharmabiz.com/NewsDetails.aspx?aid=67290&sid=2
Those prices are downright criminal, especially considering the Euphorbia Peplus. I found some growing wild around a house here in downtown Seattle, though would not have know it was the correct one unless I had grown it first from seeds from Beautanicals.
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BBirdz
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Posted - 02/06/2012 : 15:36:53
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Jilly-
When you say you are starting your third application do you mean of your second treatment round or is this actually a third round of treating the same spot? I had to delay re-treatment as I got sick and didn't want to treat when my immunity was low. I am wondering how your retreatment has been going,how many applications you did the second time around and how you are determining the need to treat a third time (if this is your third round) Thanks and wishing you all the best with your treatment! |
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Jilly
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Posted - 02/09/2012 : 13:12:18
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Hi there,
Yes I meant my 3rd round. Each round I waited until the skin healed enough before starting, that is now open wound or scabbing. I kept retreating because even though the external part of the tumor fell off, it is still there underneath the skin. I can see it, its white and is directly under where the external part fell off. My skin is now healed again and I see that unfortunately it is still there. I was told that there are three types of carcinomas that require MOHS, where nothing will work. The Dr. who told me this happened to run part of the Australian trials of Peplin. As I haven't had a biopsy yet of the tumor I don't know for sure which one i have. I just know its still there underneath. I did the applications once a day for three days. I tried this last 3rd time to sleep with it one night. I stop usually when I see the area become extremely inflamed. (immune response maybe) I'll post photos tomorrow. Hope that answers your questions. quote:
Originally posted by BBirdz
Jilly-
When you say you are starting your third application do you mean of your second treatment round or is this actually a third round of treating the same spot? I had to delay re-treatment as I got sick and didn't want to treat when my immunity was low. I am wondering how your retreatment has been going,how many applications you did the second time around and how you are determining the need to treat a third time (if this is your third round) Thanks and wishing you all the best with your treatment!
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BBirdz
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Posted - 02/10/2012 : 01:42:56
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Jilly-Thanks for clarifying. Did the doctor you met tell you anything about how to use the PS? When I used the sap I covered it with a bandaid so a scab wouldn't form which I don't think they did in the peplin trials. I did have an open pit form where the nodule had been but by the next morning it had filled in with white. I wonder now if that was the core of the cancer I was seeing.
Do you know the names of the types of cancer that don't respond? I thought they were mostly testing it on superficial basal cell. The one I have is most likely nodular.
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Originally posted by Jilly
Hi there,
Yes I meant my 3rd round. Each round I waited until the skin healed enough before starting, that is now open wound or scabbing. I kept retreating because even though the external part of the tumor fell off, it is still there underneath the skin. I can see it, its white and is directly under where the external part fell off. My skin is now healed again and I see that unfortunately it is still there. I was told that there are three types of carcinomas that require MOHS, where nothing will work. The Dr. who told me this happened to run part of the Australian trials of Peplin. As I haven't had a biopsy yet of the tumor I don't know for sure which one i have. I just know its still there underneath. I did the applications once a day for three days. I tried this last 3rd time to sleep with it one night. I stop usually when I see the area become extremely inflamed. (immune response maybe) I'll post photos tomorrow. Hope that answers your questions. quote:
Originally posted by BBirdz
Jilly-
When you say you are starting your third application do you mean of your second treatment round or is this actually a third round of treating the same spot? I had to delay re-treatment as I got sick and didn't want to treat when my immunity was low. I am wondering how your retreatment has been going,how many applications you did the second time around and how you are determining the need to treat a third time (if this is your third round) Thanks and wishing you all the best with your treatment!
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Jilly
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Posted - 02/12/2012 : 14:27:52
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Hi,
No unfortunately he didn't and in fact he said that while the trials were successful he wouldn't recommend that I go pluck a plant and use the sap. I did not cover with a bandaid but maybe I should have. My scab formed immediately upon application and I too most likely had a nodular BCC. I do have the three types written down somewhere so I'll try to find them and post in addition to the photo of my current state. Cheers.
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Originally posted by BBirdz
Jilly-Thanks for clarifying. Did the doctor you met tell you anything about how to use the PS? When I used the sap I covered it with a bandaid so a scab wouldn't form which I don't think they did in the peplin trials. I did have an open pit form where the nodule had been but by the next morning it had filled in with white. I wonder now if that was the core of the cancer I was seeing.
Do you know the names of the types of cancer that don't respond? I thought they were mostly testing it on superficial basal cell. The one I have is most likely nodular.
quote:
Originally posted by Jilly
Hi there,
Yes I meant my 3rd round. Each round I waited until the skin healed enough before starting, that is now open wound or scabbing. I kept retreating because even though the external part of the tumor fell off, it is still there underneath the skin. I can see it, its white and is directly under where the external part fell off. My skin is now healed again and I see that unfortunately it is still there. I was told that there are three types of carcinomas that require MOHS, where nothing will work. The Dr. who told me this happened to run part of the Australian trials of Peplin. As I haven't had a biopsy yet of the tumor I don't know for sure which one i have. I just know its still there underneath. I did the applications once a day for three days. I tried this last 3rd time to sleep with it one night. I stop usually when I see the area become extremely inflamed. (immune response maybe) I'll post photos tomorrow. Hope that answers your questions. quote:
Originally posted by BBirdz
Jilly-
When you say you are starting your third application do you mean of your second treatment round or is this actually a third round of treating the same spot? I had to delay re-treatment as I got sick and didn't want to treat when my immunity was low. I am wondering how your retreatment has been going,how many applications you did the second time around and how you are determining the need to treat a third time (if this is your third round) Thanks and wishing you all the best with your treatment!
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Jilly
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Posted - 02/12/2012 : 14:45:26
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BBirdz
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Posted - 02/14/2012 : 00:42:46
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Thanks again, Jilly. I look forward to your next progress update. quote:
Originally posted by Jilly
I think he said that the BCC subtypes that need to be operated on involve Morpheic/Infiltrating and Micronodular, perineural invasion.
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dfi
USA
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Posted - 02/29/2012 : 19:18:52
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News flash!!! LEO Pharma which acquired Peplin Biotech several months ago has just obtained FDA approval to market a new product called Picato. The active ingredient in this product is Ingenol Mebutate which is the same ingredient found in the sap of the petty spurge weed. The product should be out by late March. Unfortunately, they only got approval of the product as a quick and effective treatment for actinic keratosis and not for superficial basal cell or squamous cell skin cancers for which we all know petty spurge successfully treats as well. Picato comes in two strengths 0.015% Ingenol Mebutate for facial application and 0.05% for other body areas. Time will tell to see if any brave dermatologists will write prescriptions for the higher strength Picato and tell their patients to try it on their facial basal or squamous cell cancers. At the very least the FDA approval is a start and it validates the effectiveness that most people in this forum (including myself) have experienced using the sap from the Petty Spurge weed. Here is the link to the announcement:
http://www.biospace.com/news_story.aspx?StoryID=247271&full=1
Thanks to this forum and especially the entries by SoFl and Waverider for giving me the courage and knowledge to try the sap from the Petty Spurge weed which I serendipitously had been removing from my back yard the day before I discovered the forum. Fortunately, I had not removed all of it and am now treating it like the gold that it is. Starting in March of 2011, I successfully treated both a diagnosed basal cell carcinoma on my forehead and a squamous cell carcinoma on my scalp both of which my doctor wanted to remove via MOHS surgery. Had I had the MOHS surgery on my forehead, it would have easily left a scar the size of a US quarter. Within 4 months of using the petty spurge sap (1 application daily for 3 days on my forehead and 1 application daily for 5 days on my scalp), you could not tell there was ever any cancer. The skin erupted pretty violently in both locations, but now looks and feels completely normal. |
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waverider
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Posted - 03/01/2012 : 13:04:26
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That's good news. I wonder, however, why indications for this useful, naturally-occurring substance are being limited only to AK -- and not extended to BCC? I have grown cynical enough to wonder if the dermatologist industry will embrace a natural product which could put a huge hit on profitable cash cows like Mohs, etc.
It will be interesting to discover, also, what the cost of an Rx will be for this less-potent, big-pharma version. Given that most anyone can obtain unlimited, full-strength amounts at home from a 3-buck bag of seeds! |
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seven
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Posted - 03/07/2012 : 07:40:59
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Hi everyone,
I began growing PS about 3-4 weeks ago, and they now look like this (about 2-3" each). They are getting longer every day, but some of them are starting to fade/dry, and they look like sprouts rather than developing a proper stem. They seem to be growing higher but not deepening their roots, and I am not sure if that's normal, or maybe my soil is too tight and they grow outwards (?)
I wonder if that how it looked when you start growing yours? Any advise is welcomed.
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Jack Riggs
USA
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Posted - 03/10/2012 : 14:37:36
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| I just want to post a message on this site in acknowledgement that if it weren't for this site my face would be a subject to a horror film. I ordered my seeds (Radium Weed) from Australia to treat my bcc on my nose and right temple and they were spreading fast. THANK GOD for these little miracle plants. Took about 4 months for the little fellers to sprout and produce sap. I want to thank you all for your postings and providing me with comfort in knowing that I wasn't alone in this path down fright night. Clear as a babies butt now. God Bless Jack from Georgia |
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Jilly
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 04:01:36
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(Accidentally posted in wrong thread before)
Hi All,
Well I just got back from my Dermo who examined my BCC post PS applications and while she said it is still important to do a biopsy (punch) she did say that it looked like the only thing remaining was a scar. Not counting my chickens before they hatch but I was pleased. Meanwhile the MOHS surgeon (I delayed the biopsy/surgery until May 1st) will only give me a biopsy of the area on the day of the surgery. (that one was with private insurance)
I am posting current photos now. I am contemplating doing one last treatment now that the area is recovered to see the reaction.
Also decided to harvest the MASSIVE forest of PS that exists all over here. Anybody have any experience with making tinctures and collecting seeds?
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Jilly
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 05:19:46
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Does anybody know which are the seeds, is it the pod or the other little things next to them?
Thanks!
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busymom
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 22:19:44
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Hi All,
I am new here to this website. I have found an incredible amount of information since I began reading about a week ago. I posted a question over on the Vit. C board yesterday. Anyway, I have a potentially diagnosed SCC on my forehead. My alternative care doc said that's what she thinks it is and she made me an appt. with a dermotologist for March 27. I am not much one for doctors (not "regular" ones anyway) and so I already was not sure I wanted to do that. After reading all of these posts here, I am now sure that I do not want to go that route.
So, I am definitely sold on Petty Spurge. I have contacted my local County Extension office about locating this plant here in Alabama, but did not get a reply back yet. I am currently treating the SCC with vit c powder and aloe vera gel. The scab came off last night and I retreated again last night and this morning. I am not really sure what to do at this point. It has kind of dried over again, swollen and red around the perimeter. Today is day 4 of treatment. Does anyone have any thoughts?
Jilly, your lip looks very nice. Looks like Petty did a good job, and that is a good report from the doc. Hope it all continues to go well. In reading through this entire thread, I did notice that SoFl did a lot of talking about collecting the seeds, etc., of the plants. Also Irene. I think they both mentioned that the seeds fall very far away from the plant as the pods project them out. I think it was SoFl that mentioned that he crawls around on his hands and knees collecting them. Maybe you can read back and find their postings to get more detail.
Also, Jilly, I am wondering if you would be interested in mailing me some seeds. I'd be glad to pay you, and especially for shipping. I live in Alabama. As I mentioned, I am hoping to find the plant here because I want to go ahead and possibly retreat the area that I have been treating with vit. c powder. However, I want to plant my own plants and get them going. Then I'll be able to share as well.
Thanks so much to everyone who has posted here and shared your lives and your stories.
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Jilly
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Posted - 03/13/2012 : 01:53:58
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Hi there and welcome,
I too read far and wide and I must say that out of all I was drawn most to PS, mainly because of the Australian scientist who set out to commercialize the enzyme and then sold the company for millions. This for me was validation plus meeting one of the Dr.s who ran the trial in OZ who emphatically said it does work for non-melanomas.
Over here there are literally forests of PS everywhere so I just pick the plants right out of the ground and take them home. I'd be happy to send you seeds, Im assuming the seeds are the little ones to the left and that they fall out of the PODS. I wasn't actually able to find any photos on the internet, just of the pods. You can email me at jillyrubenstein (at) gmail (dot) com
I would definitely try alternatives first, but keep your appointment with the Dermo in order to verify which type it is.
Cheers,
Jilly
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Originally posted by busymom
Hi All,
I am new here to this website. I have found an incredible amount of information since I began reading about a week ago. I posted a question over on the Vit. C board yesterday. Anyway, I have a potentially diagnosed SCC on my forehead. My alternative care doc said that's what she thinks it is and she made me an appt. with a dermotologist for March 27. I am not much one for doctors (not "regular" ones anyway) and so I already was not sure I wanted to do that. After reading all of these posts here, I am now sure that I do not want to go that route.
So, I am definitely sold on Petty Spurge. I have contacted my local County Extension office about locating this plant here in Alabama, but did not get a reply back yet. I am currently treating the SCC with vit c powder and aloe vera gel. The scab came off last night and I retreated again last night and this morning. I am not really sure what to do at this point. It has kind of dried over again, swollen and red around the perimeter. Today is day 4 of treatment. Does anyone have any thoughts?
Jilly, your lip looks very nice. Looks like Petty did a good job, and that is a good report from the doc. Hope it all continues to go well. In reading through this entire thread, I did notice that SoFl did a lot of talking about collecting the seeds, etc., of the plants. Also Irene. I think they both mentioned that the seeds fall very far away from the plant as the pods project them out. I think it was SoFl that mentioned that he crawls around on his hands and knees collecting them. Maybe you can read back and find their postings to get more detail.
Also, Jilly, I am wondering if you would be interested in mailing me some seeds. I'd be glad to pay you, and especially for shipping. I live in Alabama. As I mentioned, I am hoping to find the plant here because I want to go ahead and possibly retreat the area that I have been treating with vit. c powder. However, I want to plant my own plants and get them going. Then I'll be able to share as well.
Thanks so much to everyone who has posted here and shared your lives and your stories.
Karen
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busymom
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Posted - 03/13/2012 : 02:06:37
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| Thanks, Jilly. I will e-mail you tomorrow. |
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waverider
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Posted - 03/13/2012 : 12:08:17
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Jilly:
Great pics, great results. So good to see all these positive outcomes. I still see good use for high-potency vitamin C in some small cases of BCC and maybe black salve (though I haven't tried it.) Aside from that, it's becoming abundantly clear that petty spurge is the best treatment for basal cell carcinoma in most cases. Just a pain to have to get seeds, wait for it to grow, etc.
I've been hoping for someone with experience to give us some guidance re whether a tincture in alcohol or some other preservative could be made and stored in the refrigerator. Of course, the only way one could test the efficacy of this is on some existing BCC and (fortunately) I am clear at the moment. But it would be an interesting experiment.
Re your seeds picture. Yes, the seeds are the tiny gray/black objects on the left. Under magnification, they look sort of like very small grenades. The pods are on the right. Of course, the pods contain the green seeds and eject them when the seeds are mature. Congrats on a good crop. My plants from new seeds this year didn't do well -- most of them keeled over from some sort of mold or something. But the ones that grew from last year's seeds are springing up all over the place and look healthy.
Here's a picture of PS seeds (magnified greatly):
http://130.226.173.215/cp/graphics/ImageDatabase/EPHPE-SEE-700.JPG |
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Jilly
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Posted - 03/13/2012 : 15:18:23
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Hi there Waverider,
Yes so far so good. I started another round today and will post after. Regarding the tincture. I did make one with alcohol and crushed leaves and lots of droplets of sap (too many to count). Its a painstakingly long process! Now that I am in harvest mode I intend to add more sap to the original mixture which I have kept in the fridge.
Thanks for the info regarding the seeds. I did figure it out, boy do those seeds fly when ejected. It's absolutely amazing. I now figured out that the only way to go about it is to place the branches in sealed paper bags. Today I had the pods together with the seeds in an envelope and I could actually hear the pods when they release the seeds.
If anybody is in need of seeds let me know.
Cheers,
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Originally posted by waverider
Jilly:
Great pics, great results. So good to see all these positive outcomes. I still see good use for high-potency vitamin C in some small cases of BCC and maybe black salve (though I haven't tried it.) Aside from that, it's becoming abundantly clear that petty spurge is the best treatment for basal cell carcinoma in most cases. Just a pain to have to get seeds, wait for it to grow, etc.
I've been hoping for someone with experience to give us some guidance re whether a tincture in alcohol or some other preservative could be made and stored in the refrigerator. Of course, the only way one could test the efficacy of this is on some existing BCC and (fortunately) I am clear at the moment. But it would be an interesting experiment.
Re your seeds picture. Yes, the seeds are the tiny gray/black objects on the left. Under magnification, they look sort of like very small grenades. The pods are on the right. Of course, the pods contain the green seeds and eject them when the seeds are mature. Congrats on a good crop. My plants from new seeds this year didn't do well -- most of them keeled over from some sort of mold or something. But the ones that grew from last year's seeds are springing up all over the place and look healthy.
Here's a picture of PS seeds (magnified greatly):
http://130.226.173.215/cp/graphics/ImageDatabase/EPHPE-SEE-700.JPG
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Anka
Poland
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 10:52:28
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Hello everyone,
my name is Anka I live in Poland in Europe. I need Your help. My grandmather is sick she has skin cancer. She is 94 old so the doctor say that she is too old to surgey. Her cancer is growing and look very bad.... this plant is my last hope If anyone could me help and send me spurge seed or told me how i got it. I will be very grateful.
If you applied a Erivedge? it is efficacy? it is available in drug stor?
Please answer me if you could help me. my e-mail krolanka@wp.pl
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waverider
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Posted - 04/13/2012 : 22:29:15
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Anka,
As far as I know, Beautanicals in Australia remains the only reliable source for Petty Spurge seeds (unless you can find it growing wild.) However, it is inexpensive from them and they do ship internationally. Here's the link:
http://www.beautanicals.com.au/RadiumWeed.html |
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Anka
Poland
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Posted - 04/16/2012 : 13:11:09
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Thank you for information, I buy it
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Originally posted by waverider
Anka,
As far as I know, Beautanicals in Australia remains the only reliable source for Petty Spurge seeds (unless you can find it growing wild.) However, it is inexpensive from them and they do ship internationally. Here's the link:
http://www.beautanicals.com.au/RadiumWeed.html
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BasalBoy
USA
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 19:02:20
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Still using petty purge? What kind of brush do you use?quote:
Originally posted by SoFl
I have some updated information based on my continuing research.
- I was initially cutting off a branch and sticking a small paintbrush against the plant side of the branch to extract the sap. I have since found that all I have to do is to cut off a leaf at its base and that is much more efficient and much better. The sap is white but it is fairly viscous. It isn't thick like latex. It's watery like mineral spirits. It absorbs into a brush in an instant. I have also found that the leaves contain the active ingredient and if I don't have enough sap I can mash up a leaf in a teaspoon and add a drop of water and that appears to me to have the same therapeutic effect.
- I have been in contact with someone from Australia who has used it on many occasions, and he told me he used it in a way such that he applied it once a day until the suspect area scabbed over and healed. In other words he used it until there was no more reaction.For me that was important information since I stopped my head treatment after only 3 treatments.
- I have finished off the biopsied bcc on the head. This treatment has had the benefit of removing the biopsy scar and although the area is still peeling (not completely healed) it looks all brand new like nothing ever happened at the site. At this point it looks like an abraision happened. My head seems to heal very fast so I expect within a week there will be no visible evidence of any prior treatment...we'll see.
- I am now using it on what I suspect to be a slow growing SCC on my lower leg. My suspicion is based on having biopsied confirmed ones before. The leg is much less reactive. I have been using it for about a week so far and it has eaten a large crater within the treatment area that now appears to be improving (becoming less reactive). On this one I plan to keep using until there is no more reaction but based on the reaction so far, it has already eaten deeper than my (now ex) dermatologist would have cut out with a knife. It has swollen very slightly but so far it has been completely painless although it looks pretty ugly right now.
-summary...I am ecstatic about this plant. I have at this point abandoned all other treatments and experiments because for me, I believe this is a cure, I just need to do more work to figure out the optimum way to extract and use it. I will continue to post my experience with it.
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tkdbob
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Posted - 04/26/2012 : 10:56:51
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I also have been using PS for a SCC on my scalp. My last visit to the Derm showed the lesion is much better. I have also been following the 3 day application and cutting the base of the leaf. The now available Picato is a deriviative of PS and was recommended by my derm. Has anyone tried it? It is very expensive ($600) after discount but might be more controllable and standardized. Any thoughts/opinions?
quote]Originally posted by BasalBoy
Still using petty purge? What kind of brush do you use?quote:
Originally posted by SoFl
I have some updated information based on my continuing research.
- I was initially cutting off a branch and sticking a small paintbrush against the plant side of the branch to extract the sap. I have since found that all I have to do is to cut off a leaf at its base and that is much more efficient and much better. The sap is white but it is fairly viscous. It isn't thick like latex. It's watery like mineral spirits. It absorbs into a brush in an instant. I have also found that the leaves contain the active ingredient and if I don't have enough sap I can mash up a leaf in a teaspoon and add a drop of water and that appears to me to have the same therapeutic effect.
- I have been in contact with someone from Australia who has used it on many occasions, and he told me he used it in a way such that he applied it once a day until the suspect area scabbed over and healed. In other words he used it until there was no more reaction.For me that was important information since I stopped my head treatment after only 3 treatments.
- I have finished off the biopsied bcc on the head. This treatment has had the benefit of removing the biopsy scar and although the area is still peeling (not completely healed) it looks all brand new like nothing ever happened at the site. At this point it looks like an abraision happened. My head seems to heal very fast so I expect within a week there will be no visible evidence of any prior treatment...we'll see.
- I am now using it on what I suspect to be a slow growing SCC on my lower leg. My suspicion is based on having biopsied confirmed ones before. The leg is much less reactive. I have been using it for about a week so far and it has eaten a large crater within the treatment area that now appears to be improving (becoming less reactive). On this one I plan to keep using until there is no more reaction but based on the reaction so far, it has already eaten deeper than my (now ex) dermatologist would have cut out with a knife. It has swollen very slightly but so far it has been completely painless although it looks pretty ugly right now.
-summary...I am ecstatic about this plant. I have at this point abandoned all other treatments and experiments because for me, I believe this is a cure, I just need to do more work to figure out the optimum way to extract and use it. I will continue to post my experience with it.
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evienyc
USA
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Posted - 04/28/2012 : 12:12:09
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Hi,
I am new to this forum. I have a bcc that was biopsied with clear margins in 2007 and it grew back. The dermatologist is recommending mohs. I really don't want mohs! I know a lady who's face is disfigured because of mohs. From the info I read several weeks ago, I bought seeds for petty spurge from AU and planted them, but unfortunately, I am green-thumbless! It was more than 3 weeks ago and I watered the pot regularly, but nada. I kinda skimmed through the posts and saw there are some people who were able to grow it and/or found it growing wild. I live in NY. Does anyone know if it grows wild around here? If not I'm willing to travel to buy a plant. Will someone sell me one? I'm really scared of mohs... |
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anivoc
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Posted - 04/28/2012 : 14:09:34
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| Hi Evie... A quick search shows that Petty Spurge does grow in New York just not everywhere..http://plants.usda.gov/java/county?state_name=New%20York&statefips=36&symbol=EUPE6 Not sure where you are in NY but take a look at the map and maybe take a weekend field trip / hunt for the stuff growing wild.maybe Right now is a perfect time of the year to find it. I have some growing in my back yard in California bit not sure it would fare well shipping it to New York. Get real familiar with what you are looking for and do the field trip. If you are unsuccessful hopefully some here on the BBS can help you out. |
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anivoc
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Posted - 04/28/2012 : 14:30:16
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| Hi Evie... A quick search shows that Petty Spurge does grow in New York just not everywhere..http://plants.usda.gov/java/county?state_name=New%20York&statefips=36&symbol=EUPE6 Not sure where you are in NY but take a look at the map and maybe take a weekend field trip / hunt for the stuff growing wild.maybe Right now is a perfect time of the year to find it. I have some growing in my back yard in California bit not sure it would fare well shipping it to New York. Get real familiar with what you are looking for and do the field trip. If you are unsuccessful hopefully some here on the BBS can help you out. |
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evienyc
USA
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Posted - 04/28/2012 : 16:04:15
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Hi Anivoc,
Thanks so much! I'm not in the area that's on the map, but it says it's not fully documented, so I think I will go for a hike and look. I actually checked my pot of seeds that I'd given up on earlier and I saw the tiniest little sprout! Still, I don't want to wait if possible...I'll keep you posted. |
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Steve NH
USA
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Posted - 04/30/2012 : 13:25:29
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Anyone in New England need a few fully developed plants?
After 3 tries I think I got it right - but now have a bit too many
I have nine (9) pots similar to this one
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evienyc
USA
1 Posts |
Posted - 04/30/2012 : 14:21:36
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Hi Steve NH,
I would love to have one of your plants! Any chance you come towards NY ever? If not, I may come up to you. I am a little anxious to get my treatment started since Dr Hacker is pushing mohs at me and my plants are almost microscopic. How fast do these grow, anyway? Anyone have tips? I'm not the green thumb type. I have them in a pot outside. They get the morning sun and I water them everyday... |
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Steve NH
USA
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Posted - 04/30/2012 : 18:08:55
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The only part of NY I ever get to is Albany - expect to try to get out there within the next 3 weeks (I hope)
I started these in December
this was my third attempt
A few of the keys I think made a difference
Temperatures - 75 day - 55-60 at night (one problem with most home grown plants is temp never fluxuates much - most plants in natural enviroment would have day/night temps - triggers growth mechanisms
Grown in 100% organic professional growing media (not in potting soil)
Bought a good high quality grow light - on timers 14 hrs light per day
Plants never dry out completely (bottom watering once established)
Two rounds of pinching - that probably delayed them being ready for use a bit - but I believe it produced a nice bushy plant
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evienyc
USA
1 Posts |
Posted - 04/30/2012 : 20:36:43
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Hi Steve NH,
I tried to email, but the thing wouldn't let me...
I would come up to Albany to get one of your plants, if you could give me a couple of days notice. I'd be so grateful, I'm really bad at growing plants!
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Brigid
60 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2012 : 10:12:26
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Hi Jilly,
Could you possibly ask your doctor which the 3 types of skin cancer are that don't respond to petty spurge? I have squamous cell carcinoma and invasive basal cell carcinoma, and so far after 3 or 4 treatments, it has not disappeared. For a number of months the original tumor site just above upper lips is less puffy after my treating it, but eventually I get itching and redness around my nostrils, a sign that it's still there.
Thanks!
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Originally posted by Jilly
Hi there,
Yes I meant my 3rd round. Each round I waited until the skin healed enough before starting, that is now open wound or scabbing. I kept retreating because even though the external part of the tumor fell off, it is still there underneath the skin. I can see it, its white and is directly under where the external part fell off. My skin is now healed again and I see that unfortunately it is still there. I was told that there are three types of carcinomas that require MOHS, where nothing will work. The Dr. who told me this happened to run part of the Australian trials of Peplin. As I haven't had a biopsy yet of the tumor I don't know for sure which one i have. I just know its still there underneath. I did the applications once a day for three days. I tried this last 3rd time to sleep with it one night. I stop usually when I see the area become extremely inflamed. (immune response maybe) I'll post photos tomorrow. Hope that answers your questions. quote:
Originally posted by BBirdz
Jilly-
When you say you are starting your third application do you mean of your second treatment round or is this actually a third round of treating the same spot? I had to delay re-treatment as I got sick and didn't want to treat when my immunity was low. I am wondering how your retreatment has been going,how many applications you did the second time around and how you are determining the need to treat a third time (if this is your third round) Thanks and wishing you all the best with your treatment!
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willwill
USA
4 Posts |
Posted - 05/26/2012 : 09:42:34
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Steve NH
Just saw your post about PS plants. If you still have them available I will drive there almost immediately. Please let me know. Thank you in advance. |
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Brigid
60 Posts |
Posted - 05/26/2012 : 10:55:01
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Will,
Are you talking to me, Brigid? I have some seeds and plants you can have. I live in MA. You can try sending me an email thru this forum, I don't know if it will work, or you can send me your contact info and I'll get in touch with you. What kind of cancer do you have and has it been biopsied? Petty spurge does not work on all skin cancers.
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Originally posted by willwill
Steve NH
Just saw your post about PS plants. If you still have them available I will drive there almost immediately. Please let me know. Thank you in advance.
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CMunz
USA
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Posted - 06/07/2012 : 15:20:22
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Originally posted by Brigid
Will,
Are you talking to me, Brigid? I have some seeds and plants you can have. I live in MA. You can try sending me an email thru this forum, I don't know if it will work, or you can send me your contact info and I'll get in touch with you. What kind of cancer do you have and has it been biopsied? Petty spurge does not work on all skin cancers.
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Originally posted by willwill
Steve NH
Just saw your post about PS plants. If you still have them available I will drive there almost immediately. Please let me know. Thank you in advance.
Hi, I am also looking for a plant or seeds, I am not having any luck sourcing it in WI. I had MOH's 3 years ago and left with a large scar,,, :( on my face. Now have several spots showing up,,, Thanks!
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CMunz
USA
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Posted - 06/07/2012 : 16:15:39
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| BCC,,, Have two spots on my face. Had MOH's three years ago,,,:( new spots on other side of face, if anyone has seeds please contact me. I don't want to do the surgery again. |
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waverider
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Posted - 06/07/2012 : 19:09:34
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CMunz:
If none of the posters above who had plants last spring can help you, the more conventional way of getting the seeds (which many of us have used successfully) is from Beautanicals in Australia. You can order it online and it takes ~ 2 weeks to arrive to most locations in the states. Petty spurge (formal name: Euphorbia Peblus) is also called Radium Weed in Australia.
Here's the link to Beautanicals:
http://www.beautanicals.com.au/RadiumWeed.html
Many of us have looked for a stateside commercial source for the seeds but as far as I know nobody has ever found one.
If I was going to try to grow PS in the summer—at least here in the S. Calif heat—I think I'd try to grow it indoors in A/C and pre-germinate the seeds. I don't think PS likes hot weather, at least that's my experience. But I'm sure it's cooler in WI. Also, if you read thru this lengthy thread you may find additional planting/growing advice. Good luck. |
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Brigid
60 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2012 : 08:47:17
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CMunz,
Did you receive my emails? I had said I have seedlings which I could try sending you if you let me know the details of how you'd like me to package and ship them. You would need to reimburse me for overnight shipping, if you want that, or priority. I would think the less time in transit the better. We also have UPS nearby. I also have a few seeds from a year and a half ago or so, not sure exactly. You might want to find out how long theyre viable before I send them.
Brigid
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Originally posted by CMunz
BCC,,, Have two spots on my face. Had MOH's three years ago,,,:( new spots on other side of face, if anyone has seeds please contact me. I don't want to do the surgery again.
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evienyc
USA
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Posted - 06/14/2012 : 14:43:33
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Hello,
Has anyone here tried both Cymilium and Petty Spurge? I have been reading through these boards and so far deduced that they both worked for more people than the other things posted here and/or they had less risk of pain and/or scaring and/or recurrence.
I have a bcc on the side of my nose that is recurring after it was biopsied 5 years ago with "clear margins". I really don't want to have Mohs as the dermatologist is recommending. So I grew some Petty Spurge which now has little plants that are about 5 inches tall. Is that big enough? I don't want to break the stem of one only to find it's too small for sap. I have about 7 little plants...
While I was waiting for the Petty Spurge to grow, I bought some Cymilium.
Which should I try first? Any recommendations? Which has the shortest recovery?
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Brigid
60 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2012 : 16:55:39
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| I haven't used Cymillium. For Petty Spurge you don't cut the main stem, you snip the little stems the leaves grow out of. Or you can snip a bigger branch if you have them---not likely on a 5" plant. Most people find 1 drop per spot is enough, once or possibly 2X a day for several days or up to a week. So you probably have enough leaves. I use the smooth tip of a metal nail file to get the bead of sap off the plant and onto my face. Recovery time depends on how long you treat it. Looking at some of the photos people have posted will give you an idea. I think it was a couple of weeks until the scabs fell off but more like a month until it looked pink but mostly normal. |
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jazzplayer
USA
1 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2012 : 15:26:51
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Hi, I'm new here. I bought a petty spurge plant on ebay and it was just big enough to treat a very small spot on my face.. and it did work well. I have a spot on the left side of my face about the size of a dime. I really need to treat this quickly. I have some seeds but fear it will take to long to grow and use. Is there "anywhere at all" that I could buy and get shipped to South Texas ASAP? I just need to buy a bigger plant if anyone has one since the ones from Ebay are so small and don't survive the trip well. I feel a large plant will stand a chance. Please help!!
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jimbob68
0 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2012 : 12:41:45
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Hi, I found this site researching a nail fungus I have. I have been glued reading everything. I have 'spots' also, small ones, but never dx. I studied photos from links and believe I have bcc's. I ordered some seeds from Au., couldn't find them on ebay. As I wait for them, I am doing the vit c treatment and will document it.
The fungus connection is very interesting! My toenail fungus started right after a trauma to my foot-an elderly man ran it over w/his lark scooter. The 'spots' appeared after a bad sunburn. I believe that stress/trauma can make these appear.
I am so very happy I found this place. Dr. I SlashForCash probably isn't though;) |
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DaveW
USA
2 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2012 : 17:57:02
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Hi all,
Interesting reading here. I've ordered some seeds from Beautanicals,but was curious if there was anyone in the Houston area that might have had luck growing the plants here. In looking through the thread it seemed there might be some folks locally. Any tips for dealing with our weather here would be appreciated, since it looks like I'm trying to get started at just the wrong time :)
Otherwise, figure I might give this a shot versus rushing to the knife as recommended by the local dermatologist for a nickel sized superficial ulcerated BCC on the shoulder.
Regards,
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thanks01
USA
170 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2012 : 16:11:33
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Checking in again after some absence. Naturally, went to my favorite thread - Petty Spurge. I am currently using it for a spot on my chest which developed since my last posting, so I'll try to come back with a progress report.
My comments to those trying to grow PS: Remember - COOL, DAMP, Mostly SHADY. I have managed to get a little self-seeding "perennial" plot in a shady spot, which returned this spring. It almost did not die out, until we got the last frosts. Also, if you grow it inside, study the shelf or surface around the pot. If you refrain from dusting, you will find the ejected seeds there. My original seeds came from Australia and I live in New England. |
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evienyc
USA
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Posted - 08/25/2012 : 15:56:29
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Hi Everyone,
I want to share my story in case it's helpful. I had a recurring BCC on the side of my nose. It was first biopsied in 2007 by a plastic surgeon who got "clear margins". Over the past few years, what I at first thought was a little scar tissue, turned out to be the bcc that had grown back. In April, after he did a biopsy, my dermatologist recommended Mohs. I didn't want to because I had seen a woman who was disfigured by Mohs. My research led me to this website and I grew a Petty Spurge plant. I used the sap for about 9 days at which point a scab had formed and did not seem to be getting bigger. After the scab fell off, I could see that the bcc was still there. I did another round of alternating Petty Spurge and Cymillium until the scab seemed to be done growing. After it fell off, I saw that not only was the bcc still there, but it was growing tentacles. There are different kinds of bccs and apparently mine was the kind that looks whitish on the surface, like a scar, but grows underneath. Somewhere I read that there's a faster rate of growth on some kinds of bccs when they've been disrupted by biopsies. I didn't want to risk it getting any larger while trying other remedies people speak about on this website, so last week I went in for mohs surgery. So far it looks like the scar will heal well and be unnoticeable... |
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Alexis Fecteau
USA
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Posted - 08/25/2012 : 20:14:27
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I've actually not heard of the petty spurge not working where Mohs did. Seeds were legitimate Euphorbia Peplus and not something close like Peplis?
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anivoc
449 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2012 : 10:52:38
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Originally posted by evienyc
I didn't want to risk it getting any larger while trying other remedies people speak about on this website, so last week I went in for mohs surgery.
It is a shame that Petty spurge did not work...To clarify you mention that the first biopsy the derm saw clean margins...The only way to know if they were clean is if he looked at them under a microscope which IS what they do in mohs surgery. That's the catch...With Mohs or with the alternatives...there are no guarantees only improved chances. I've had both Mohs and alternative removals reoccur and I have alternative and traditional removals that were permanently successful..at least 10 years so far permanent anyway..
Here's a link to a good site on the various types of BCC..
http://dermnetnz.org/lesions/basal-cell-carcinoma.html
Hope the best of results on the outcome of your latest surgery. |
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dolfan
USA
39 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2012 : 19:23:32
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DaveW
USA
2 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2012 : 21:39:02
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Hi all,
Just checking to see if anyone might have some PS they are will to part with. I ordered up the seeds from Beautanicals and planted them in a seed starter tray. Now several weeks later I have three spindly things that are about the size of a heavy sewing needle that just won't grow any more. I tried picking up an aerogarden to see if that would work to get them going and no luck there. I've got them growing inside to avoid the Texas heat, but something just isn't working for them.
So, I figured I would ask if anyone has some PS they would be willing to part with? I can send a check for shipping or if you happen to be anywhere close to Houston, I would be happy to head your way. I don't know if folks have had any luck shipping the PS?
Anyhow, figured I would ask. Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Dave |
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Brigid
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Posted - 09/12/2012 : 22:41:24
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Give them more time---a couple of months to get big enough to transplant. Keep them in an air conditioned room, as cool as possible, not right in front of the AC. Soil: 1/3 topsoil, 1/3 sand, 1/3 vermiculite mixed all together. Light: a bright north or east facing window is enough. South or West windows is too much sun at this point. Water very sparingly or just mist until they're bigger. They don't like damp feet.
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Originally posted by DaveW
Hi all,
Just checking to see if anyone might have some PS they are will to part with. I ordered up the seeds from Beautanicals and planted them in a seed starter tray. Now several weeks later I have three spindly things that are about the size of a heavy sewing needle that just won't grow any more. I tried picking up an aerogarden to see if that would work to get them going and no luck there. I've got them growing inside to avoid the Texas heat, but something just isn't working for them.
So, I figured I would ask if anyone has some PS they would be willing to part with? I can send a check for shipping or if you happen to be anywhere close to Houston, I would be happy to head your way. I don't know if folks have had any luck shipping the PS?
Anyhow, figured I would ask. Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Dave
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DaveW
USA
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Posted - 09/13/2012 : 05:48:10
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Hi Brigid, thanks for the suggestions on growing them. I'll try it with some of the remaining seeds. I was hoping to track down a source in part due to the timing. Unfortunately we've hit our deductible this year with some issues with my wife's health, so the surgical option to remove the superficial BCC wouldn't run nearly so much. I'd rather give this a shot before going under the knife, but need to give the process time to work and still have time to schedule a surgery if it doesn't. So, if someone had a plant they were willing to part with, it would let me try this first :)
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willwill
USA
4 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2012 : 17:32:54
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I have been following this thread for quite some time and wanted to share my experience, perhaps it can be of some help to someone.
I am 60 years old and have pretty badly sun damaged skin. I have had some very severe sunburns. I've been having bcc's removed since I was 30, probably 15-20. I also have large numbers of actenic keratoses on my face, especially on my forehead & nose. Years ago I went through treatment with Efudex. It did a pretty good job, especially on my forehead, but it was torture. After a while I couldn't take it anymore.
The last time I was diagnosed with bcc,about ten years ago, the doctors insisted I undergo MOHS surgery. They cut off a good sized chunk of my nose. When they took off the bandages, I almost died. It was completely disfiguring. Fortunately I still had insurance which covered reconstructive surgery, but it still left a pretty ugly scar.
For the past few years the actenic keratosis has been appearing again, most notably on my nose. At the site of the MOHS, there was a spot that wouldn't heal, it would just bleed spontaneously. I didn't get it diagnosed, but I've had enough experience to know that it was probably a bcc.
I no longer have insurance and cannot afford to go to the doctor, much less surgery. After hearing about a new "wonder" drug for sun damaged skin, I investigated and wound up here. I was unable to obtain any plants, so I got the seeds from Beautnicals.
I got one of those seed starter kits from Home Depot. All the seeds I planted germinated, but they are very delicate and only three survived. It took all summer to get them to a usable size. They now seem to have reseeded themselves and there are quite a few seedlings growing in the bottom of the pots.
When you cut off the leaf from the stem, there is the tiniest little bead of sap. I collected it, as another contributor suggested, with the point of an artist's brush and applied it to the spots.
Over the course of the next few days the treated areas blistered up, kind of like sunburn. The site of the previous MOHS reacted the most violently. It wasn't really painful, just kind of irritated. A few days after, everything scabbed over.
Today, after about three weeks, the last of the scabs came off. It's all gone. At the site of the suspected bcc, there is a bit of a crater, but it seems as if it will fill in. Needless to say, I'm elated.
When I think about how hard I fought against having the MOHS (and how hard the doctors fought FOR it), it makes me sort of angry. Out of all the cancers I've had removed, this is the only one that returned.
And the idea that someone can buy the rights to something that grows wild, make it illegal for anyone else to have it and then charge $800.00 a dose is obscene.
I think we've all been conditioned to the idea that the mainstream medical community is always right and has nothing but our best interests at heart. I'm not saying that they don't, but stuff like this makes you wonder sometimes.
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Petty Spurge Herb sap for skin cancers
