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Oh my goodness Hoxsey. Good news that the operation went well, and you are finally seeing the start of a lovely new nose, but oh dear, the news on the left in gauze and the doctor's reaction is just terrible. I hope and pray that you get some relief soon, both physically and mentally. What you have been through, many people would have just broken down long ago, but you have just been an absolute soldier through the whole process.

BlondeAmbition - I understand where you are coming from. People tell my that my scar looks good, but to me it is quite obvious and I am self conscious about it. The only thing that keeps me going is that I am (hopefully) cancer free.... Surgery or alternative will always leave a scar.

To everyone out there - you are beautiful just the way you are, but even more so if you have fought off cancer and won. Look at your scar and say to yourself "I've done it - I have beaten cancer". Stand tall and stand proud. Look at Hoxsey, no-one could be braver than this beautiful young woman !!!!

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Thought people on here who have helped me might like to know, I am still treating my nose; it seems a little stubborn. I get lots of little white eschars off it.
also placed the salve on two small red, itchy spots on my lower legs and both had a reaction. My left leg was quite a big reaction; in fact, I felt like I had been shot in it at one point. It is now about to come out but I fear the plaster which is sticky with lots of gunk might rip it out.
I actually feel quite ill today and had to come home from work at midday. I took a first dose of Essiac tea last night. I am also using almond kernels, organic juicing and am trying to avoid toxins (no sugar). Is this a detox feeling? I just want to lie in bed and snooze.

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Originally posted by anivoc

HI Deb,

Hard to say on the nausea but I know I felt "sick" when I treated multiple areas at one time...still trying "other things" trying to find that softer gentler approach so my jar of blood root paste is on the sidelines waiting to get called in.

I know if I do bring the bloodroot paste back into the game ..I will be applying it in small amounts to one tumor at a time...

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Hey all,
Deb, I hope the nose is healing up and getting better! I can't answer any of your questions, but I would agree with blonde ambition and others, it being a herxheimer reaction.
Thank you for the image reducing help! I am feeling lazy on this rainy Sunday and don't feel like posting stuff right now, but I will update about my healing- it has really started to shrink up noticeably over the last week or so, and is becoming less and less noticeable! I still wear a small strip of skin colored tape over the most recent suture line, but I feel like I'll be tape free within a month or so...
Inkylu, thank you for your kind post, I am still in the process of waiting for my HR insurance lady to deal with my insurance company to find out why they considered most of my surgery as a 'non-covered' type of procedure, as if it was not necessary, and to hopefully get them to pay for a reasonable portion of it. As of right now, they only covered about $1,500 out of The billed $30,000 surgeons fee. Ridiculous. Once that is all done with, I will ask for itemization of charges. Thank you or your helpful information!

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Hi Kitty,
You mentioned these were small lesions...but a 1 cm lesion is @ 3/4" ( not so small) were you meaning millimeter not centimeters?

I know ductal is a more serious breast cancer. My mom had it in her 80 and and that age it was a no brainer for her to have her breast removed.

You mentioned Black Salve but did not mention a name..

There are many brands out there and not all have bloodroot and zinc chloride ( the two most important ingredients IMO.

Though I have heard bloodroot paste used for many different cancers including breast cancers, generally when I hear about breast cancer it is used internally..

You definitely have to do your own due diligence and make your best decision..

Not tooting their horn but Cansema seems to get a lot of positive feedback here...and I know they have an internal version..

Sending out good thoughts and prayers that you find your way out of this challenge you are dealing with.

All the best!

Tom

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Originally posted by julypanda

How dare you people say what you have about Hoxsey and her decision to use alternative treatment. Have you ever wondered to yourself why she chose alternative rather than conventional? Before you bag out other people and their choices, make sure you have ALL the information.
Do you not think that chemotherapy is just as deadly and debilitating as the black salve treatment. I don't see too many forums/photos of the side effects of chemo.
Freedom of speech - isn't that what we are allowed to have. Sure, you can disagree with what is posted on here, but to take personal swipes at such vulnerable people is just low and uncalled for.
I myself chose alternative therapy for my skin cancer - why?? Because as the doctor was taking a biopsy, he was already trying to line his pockets suggesting thousands of dollars of treatment for my large pores and red skin, which had absolutely nothing to do with the skin cancer.
So in conclusion, sure, have your say, but don't get personal. I was just disgusted reading YOUR forum. Was it helpful in anyway - absolutely NOT !!!

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Hey Julypanda....Clearly RUKidding me is much wiser and better informed than the rest of here....or not so much..

You mentioned freedom of speech and to that effect RUK has a right to spout off as long as he/she doesn't cross the line...

He/She is pushing it but with mass assumptions and conclusions based upon them...

Ignorance is bliss.....Dr. Mohs who set the gold standard in skin cancer surgery used bloodroot paste so it must be truly INSANE to use..

Too many real people sharing here including myself have used bloodroot paste, petty spurge and a litany of other alternative approaches with equal to or better results than traditional medical approaches.

In regards to Kitty..

ductal breast cancer is serious as noted... If it was my wife I'd probaby encourage going the surgical route only because it is so serious and we don't have any data or experience on someone who beat it with bloodroot or other alternative approach...

I suggested do your own due diligence but for my loved ones that is the route I would recommend...

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How dare you people say what you have about Hoxsey and her decision to use alternative treatment. Have you ever wondered to yourself why she chose alternative rather than conventional? Before you bag out other people and their choices, make sure you have ALL the information.
Do you not think that chemotherapy is just as deadly and debilitating as the black salve treatment. I don't see too many forums/photos of the side effects of chemo.
Freedom of speech - isn't that what we are allowed to have. Sure, you can disagree with what is posted on here, but to take personal swipes at such vulnerable people is just low and uncalled for.
I myself chose alternative therapy for my skin cancer - why?? Because as the doctor was taking a biopsy, he was already trying to line his pockets suggesting thousands of dollars of treatment for my large pores and red skin, which had absolutely nothing to do with the skin cancer.
So in conclusion, sure, have your say, but don't get personal. I was just disgusted reading YOUR forum. Was it helpful in anyway - absolutely NOT !!!

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Look, I hope you read this message because it comes from a place of good intention.

The information that is being given in this thread is dangerous and harmful.

I know that your gut reaction to that statement is to counter with the idea that chemotherapy and other medical procedures can be dangerous and harmful but that doesn't really apply to this situation. The woman in this thread, the woman who lost a large portion of her nose, would not have needed chemotherapy or any highly invasive procedures. She could have had her BCC removed in a short, out-patient procedure which would have done less damage than the salve she used. FAR less damage.

This is a fact you cannot dispute. The scar on her upper lip shows that she had such a procedure before and it's clear to anyone that the "damage" done there is dramatically less than what the salve did to her. In fact, her surgery scar is so minimal that she had to provide a close-up of it for anyone to even notice it.

If cost is the concern here, and you mention that in your post, then I'm not sure what to say to that since I can't speak from experience. I live in a country where medical costs are paid for by the government (as they should be, in my opinion). I understand that some people may not have this luxury and it's tough to afford insurance or procedures — but I have to wonder if Hoxsey's re-constructive surgery and numerous doctor visits (ultimately required because of the salve) cost more than a simple BCC removal at her dermatologist's office.

I'm betting it cost far more.

This forum's suggestion that Hoxsey should use this salve, and then encouraging her to continue with further treatments, as well as ingestion of chemically dangerous substances, then supporting her while she fasts at a time when her body is in crisis, is quite shocking for outsiders to read. Not simply because you're suggesting the use of what you call "alternative medicine" but because you're providing advice beyond that brand of "healing" that goes against established scientific fact and, I have to say, common sense.

Your intentions may be good but advice on this forum is dangerous.

Look at this poor woman's face! How many more cases of this do you need to see before you all accept that fact that this sort of treatment is not the best way to deal with these types of medical conditions - or any condition for that matter. The substance your are promoting is labelled as a dangerous material and medical boards and the FDA advise against it's use (I imagine you will rebut with a rant about the FDA being some horrible entity). Or how about the fact that the person Hoxsey was in contact with, and who advised her to ingest the salve is a convicted felon who served time in jail for the weapons possession, counterfeiting, and defrauding customers and a violation of federal health laws with the sale of items that severely and permanently disfigured other people.

That's not someone she should be getting medical advice from, don't you think?

I'm sure you think I'm just some arrogant jerk who doesn't get what this forum is all about, and that's not the case at all. I know you're trying to help. I'm only here to implore you to look at what information you're all providing and ask yourselves if it's really effective and safe.

My answer would be that it isn't.

This thread is full of contradictory information and hypocritical beliefs where "western medicine and alternative medicine" are concerned. I think you should all re-evaluate your use of these products - or at the very least your espousal of their use. You may have the right to use them yourself; but you certainly don't have enough knowledge or understanding of their side-effects, or medicine in general to be giving advice to others for how or when they should be used.

To any person who is reading this, as a curious onlooker or someone considering these "treatments"...

PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS, DO NOT USE THESE SALVES. THEY ARE NOT SAFE. THEY ARE NOT HEALTHY. LOOK AT THE PICTURES HERE. LOOK AT PICTURES ELSEWHERE ON THE NET. THE DAMAGE THAT CAN OCCUR IS SEVERE AND PERMANENT.

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Originally posted by julypanda

How dare you people say what you have about Hoxsey and her decision to use alternative treatment. Have you ever wondered to yourself why she chose alternative rather than conventional? Before you bag out other people and their choices, make sure you have ALL the information.
Do you not think that chemotherapy is just as deadly and debilitating as the black salve treatment. I don't see too many forums/photos of the side effects of chemo.
Freedom of speech - isn't that what we are allowed to have. Sure, you can disagree with what is posted on here, but to take personal swipes at such vulnerable people is just low and uncalled for.
I myself chose alternative therapy for my skin cancer - why?? Because as the doctor was taking a biopsy, he was already trying to line his pockets suggesting thousands of dollars of treatment for my large pores and red skin, which had absolutely nothing to do with the skin cancer.
So in conclusion, sure, have your say, but don't get personal. I was just disgusted reading YOUR forum. Was it helpful in anyway - absolutely NOT !!!

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Look, I hope you read this message because it comes from a place of good intention.

The information that is being given in this thread is dangerous and harmful.

I know that your gut reaction to that statement is to counter with the idea that chemotherapy and other medical procedures can be dangerous and harmful but that doesn't really apply to this situation. The woman in this thread, the woman who lost a large portion of her nose, would not have needed chemotherapy or any highly invasive procedures. She could have had her BCC removed in a short, out-patient procedure which would have done less damage than the salve she used. FAR less damage.

This is a fact you cannot dispute. The scar on her upper lip shows that she had such a procedure before and it's clear to anyone that the "damage" done there is dramatically less than what the salve did to her. In fact, her surgery scar is so minimal that she had to provide a close-up of it for anyone to even notice it.

If cost is the concern here, and you mention that in your post, then I'm not sure what to say to that since I can't speak from experience. I live in a country where medical costs are paid for by the government (as they should be, in my opinion). I understand that some people may not have this luxury and it's tough to afford insurance or procedures — but I have to wonder if Hoxsey's re-constructive surgery and numerous doctor visits (ultimately required because of the salve) cost more than a simple BCC removal at her dermatologist's office.

I'm betting it cost far more.

This forum's suggestion that Hoxsey should use this salve, and then encouraging her to continue with further treatments, as well as ingestion of chemically dangerous substances, then supporting her while she fasts at a time when her body is in crisis, is quite shocking for outsiders to read. Not simply because you're suggesting the use of what you call "alternative medicine" but because you're providing advice beyond that brand of "healing" that goes against established scientific fact and, I have to say, common sense.

Your intentions may be good but advice on this forum is dangerous.

Look at this poor woman's face! How many more cases of this do you need to see before you all accept that fact that this sort of treatment is not the best way to deal with these types of medical conditions - or any condition for that matter. The substance your are promoting is labelled as a dangerous material and medical boards and the FDA advise against it's use (I imagine you will rebut with a rant about the FDA being some horrible entity). Or how about the fact that the person Hoxsey was in contact with, and who advised her to ingest the salve is a convicted felon who served time in jail for the weapons possession, counterfeiting, and defrauding customers and a violation of federal health laws with the sale of items that severely and permanently disfigured other people.

That's not someone she should be getting medical advice from, don't you think?

I'm sure you think I'm just some arrogant jerk who doesn't get what this forum is all about, and that's not the case at all. I know you're trying to help. I'm only here to implore you to look at what information you're all providing and ask yourselves if it's really effective and safe.

My answer would be that it isn't.

This thread is full of contradictory information and hypocritical beliefs where "western medicine and alternative medicine" are concerned. I think you should all re-evaluate your use of these products - or at the very least your espousal of their use. You may have the right to use them yourself; but you certainly don't have enough knowledge or understanding of their side-effects, or medicine in general to be giving advice to others for how or when they should be used.

To any person who is reading this, as a curious onlooker or someone considering these "treatments"...

PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS, DO NOT USE THESE SALVES. THEY ARE NOT SAFE. THEY ARE NOT HEALTHY. LOOK AT THE PICTURES HERE. LOOK AT PICTURES ELSEWHERE ON THE NET. THE DAMAGE THAT CAN OCCUR IS SEVERE AND PERMANENT.

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I hope people coming here considering using Black Salve will reconsider.

Still not convinced? Take another look at the pictures.

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This Forum isn't for everyone. Bloodroot isn't for everyone. It's for those of us who have NO OTHER HOPE and/or options. It does no harm when used correctly and unlike the current "Medical Model' it allows the body to heal naturally. I recommend that all YOU PEOPLE in opposition of Bloodroot do what you feel you need to do and WE (alternative People) will do what we need to do..... continue to help others who decide to go against the medical Model and use natural Products to help rid our bodies of Cancer and other diseases. No matter how hard we try, sometimes the CANCER is just going to have already invaded and destroyed so much tissue that regardless of the Modality used, disfigurement and or irrevocable damage is bound to happen. We're not invading and disrupting your Forums, so do us the courtesy of not invading and disrupting ours. I'm alive because of Bloodroot... and I will never allow people like you to prevent me from sharing that fact, that truth, that Salvation with others.

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Bloodroot isn't for everyone. It's for those of us who have NO OTHER HOPE and/or options.

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It does no harm when used correctly

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It does no harm when used correctly and unlike the current "Medical Model' it allows the body to heal naturally.

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I recommend that all YOU PEOPLE in opposition of Bloodroot do what you feel you need to do and WE (alternative People) will do what we need to do..... continue to help others who decide to go against the medical Model and use natural Products to help rid our bodies of Cancer and other diseases.

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No matter how hard we try, sometimes the CANCER is just going to have already invaded and destroyed so much tissue that regardless of the Modality used, disfigurement and or irrevocable damage is bound to happen.

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We're not invading and disrupting your Forums, so do us the courtesy of not invading and disrupting ours.

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I'm alive because of Bloodroot... and I will never allow people like you to prevent me from sharing that fact, that truth, that Salvation with others.

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Originally posted by julypanda


This Forum isn't for everyone. Bloodroot isn't for everyone. It's for those of us who have NO OTHER HOPE and/or options. It does no harm when used correctly and unlike the current "Medical Model' it allows the body to heal naturally. I recommend that all YOU PEOPLE in opposition of Bloodroot do what you feel you need to do and WE (alternative People) will do what we need to do..... continue to help others who decide to go against the medical Model and use natural Products to help rid our bodies of Cancer and other diseases. No matter how hard we try, sometimes the CANCER is just going to have already invaded and destroyed so much tissue that regardless of the Modality used, disfigurement and or irrevocable damage is bound to happen. We're not invading and disrupting your Forums, so do us the courtesy of not invading and disrupting ours. I'm alive because of Bloodroot... and I will never allow people like you to prevent me from sharing that fact, that truth, that Salvation with others.

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Look, I have to address some of your points here because they illustrate why us newcomers are so concerned. Stay with me here and listen to what I have to say, I'll lay this out clearly and concisely:

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Bloodroot isn't for everyone. It's for those of us who have NO OTHER HOPE and/or options.

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Hoxsey had other options. She said she had a BCC removed prior and it left minimal scarring. She could have had the BCC on her nose and forehead removed the same way. She chose not to, you all encouraged that choice. She DID have a choice.

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It does no harm when used correctly

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If it does no harm when used correctly, are you suggesting that Hoxsey used this incorrectly? Everyone on this forum cheered her on and kept reassuring her that what she did was right, that her body was healing and the salve was hunting down the cancer and removing it. So which is it? Was she using it right and it just scarred her and forced her into multiple, expensive surgeries, or was she using it incorrectly while Bonder et al were telling her she was doing the right thing?

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It does no harm when used correctly and unlike the current "Medical Model' it allows the body to heal naturally.

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So, when she was forced into taking Vicodin for the pain, and then had to have surgery to remove cancer that the salve missed, then had to have plastic surgery to have her nose and forehead reconstructed - that's what you call "allowing the body to heal naturally?" It would seem to me that your jab at the "current Medical Model" is unwarranted since the "current Medical Model" was ultimately the model that eased her pain and repaired the damage done by the current "Alternative Model" that this forum pushes.

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I recommend that all YOU PEOPLE in opposition of Bloodroot do what you feel you need to do and WE (alternative People) will do what we need to do..... continue to help others who decide to go against the medical Model and use natural Products to help rid our bodies of Cancer and other diseases.

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The problem that those of us in "opposition" to the use of these salves have, is that there are forums like this that provide reams and reams of harmful advice to people who are frightened, desperate, ignorant, or unaware of safer, more effective medical treatments. If you try to contest this point, I will happily go through posts on page one that are medically erroneous and offer nothing but misinformation and bad advice. In fact, the only good advice I think I saw on the first page of this thread was that Hoxsey go to see a doctor. Hindsight is 20/20, I suppose.

The substances you all seem to think are specifically targeting cancer are doing no such thing. It's a shotgun approach that causes catastrophic tissue damage and cell death to both healthy and cancerous cells. Again, the before and after photos say everything that needs to be said in this regard. A surgical procedure would have been a far safer, less expensive, and far less damaging alternative.

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No matter how hard we try, sometimes the CANCER is just going to have already invaded and destroyed so much tissue that regardless of the Modality used, disfigurement and or irrevocable damage is bound to happen.

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As I mentioned above, this post further illustrates the complete and utter lack of understanding of how these products work. The damage done to Hoxsey's face, and anyone else who had been disfigured by these products is not cause by cancer or the salve's imagined aggressive pursuit of cancer. The damage is done by the product itself. Read that again: The products you are using are destroying your tissues whether cancer is present or not. The damage done is not linked to the amount of cancer present, it's linked to the use and abuse of the salve itself.

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We're not invading and disrupting your Forums, so do us the courtesy of not invading and disrupting ours.

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People are here "disrupting" your forum because news of this poor woman's suffering got out and spread around the net. Of all the people who have seen this story, a tiny handful have come here out of concern, sadness, and even anger. Your forum is a tiny, tiny minority who feels these practices are safe, effective, and "natural." The reason your tiny minority is feeling the heat right now is because the overwhelming majority of people learning about this story find it abhorrent, disheartening, and dangerous.

I imagine that view may reinforce your community's belief that you're all onto something esoteric and that nobody else will understand it because we've all been brainwashed by the System, or something of the sort. I certainly hope that's not the case because quite frankly, it would be an absurd notion to harbour. People freak out when they hear and see this story because it's indicative of unhealthy modes of thought and unsafe practices, period.

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I'm alive because of Bloodroot... and I will never allow people like you to prevent me from sharing that fact, that truth, that Salvation with others.

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This is the most disturbing thing you've said thus far. I'm sure you think you're alive because of bloodroot but you could have been saved by a doctor's expertise just as easily, and probably far less traumatically.

This isn't about your experience, this is about Hoxsey and all the terrible misinformation and advice the poor woman has been given by people who don't understand the chemicals they're dealing with. YOU, specifically YOU, julypanda, may have the right to share your story; but you most certainly don't have the expertise or medical knowledge to offer advice on the application of a substance that literally ate away healthy tissue and disfigured another human being. You don't have the expertise to advise on the recovery required to deal with that trauma, nor do you have the expertise to espouse the use of such products to people you've never met and/or have no clue as to what their medical history is.

Go back and look at the pictures of the damage this salve did to Hoxsey. Go back and look. If you don't go back and look, ask yourself why you aren't.

People have come to this thread voicing their concern and anger because they're upset. They just saw and read about a woman who disfigured her face because she eschewed proper medical advice and assistance in favour of a group of people who have no certification, knowledge, or experience in the proper, safe, treatment of skin cancers.

And look where it got her:

- A disfigured forehead and nose.
- Medical expenses far beyond what a Mohs surgery would have cost her.
- Weeks of pain.
- Months of concern, fear, anxiety, and emotional suffering.

If you think that's better than the "current Medical Model," the medical model that can perform a removal of a BCC in an outpatient procedure with a ~99% success rate, then I'm afraid you're beyond all hope of having any sort of reasonable discussion with.

Again, to anyone considering this type of "salve treatment" - reconsider. It isn't safe, and there are better medical options out there.

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Originally posted by julypanda


This Forum isn't for everyone. Bloodroot isn't for everyone. It's for those of us who have NO OTHER HOPE and/or options. It does no harm when used correctly and unlike the current "Medical Model' it allows the body to heal naturally. I recommend that all YOU PEOPLE in opposition of Bloodroot do what you feel you need to do and WE (alternative People) will do what we need to do..... continue to help others who decide to go against the medical Model and use natural Products to help rid our bodies of Cancer and other diseases. No matter how hard we try, sometimes the CANCER is just going to have already invaded and destroyed so much tissue that regardless of the Modality used, disfigurement and or irrevocable damage is bound to happen. We're not invading and disrupting your Forums, so do us the courtesy of not invading and disrupting ours. I'm alive because of Bloodroot... and I will never allow people like you to prevent me from sharing that fact, that truth, that Salvation with others.

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Look, I have to address some of your points here because they illustrate why us newcomers are so concerned. Stay with me here and listen to what I have to say, I'll lay this out clearly and concisely:

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Bloodroot isn't for everyone. It's for those of us who have NO OTHER HOPE and/or options.

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Hoxsey had other options. She said she had a BCC removed prior and it left minimal scarring. She could have had the BCC on her nose and forehead removed the same way. She chose not to, you all encouraged that choice. She DID have a choice.

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It does no harm when used correctly

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If it does no harm when used correctly, are you suggesting that Hoxsey used this incorrectly? Everyone on this forum cheered her on and kept reassuring her that what she did was right, that her body was healing and the salve was hunting down the cancer and removing it. So which is it? Was she using it right and it just scarred her and forced her into multiple, expensive surgeries, or was she using it incorrectly while Bonder et al were telling her she was doing the right thing?

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It does no harm when used correctly and unlike the current "Medical Model' it allows the body to heal naturally.

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So, when she was forced into taking Vicodin for the pain, and then had to have surgery to remove cancer that the salve missed, then had to have plastic surgery to have her nose and forehead reconstructed - that's what you call "allowing the body to heal naturally?" It would seem to me that your jab at the "current Medical Model" is unwarranted since the "current Medical Model" was ultimately the model that eased her pain and repaired the damage done by the current "Alternative Model" that this forum pushes.

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I recommend that all YOU PEOPLE in opposition of Bloodroot do what you feel you need to do and WE (alternative People) will do what we need to do..... continue to help others who decide to go against the medical Model and use natural Products to help rid our bodies of Cancer and other diseases.

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The problem that those of us in "opposition" to the use of these salves have, is that there are forums like this that provide reams and reams of harmful advice to people who are frightened, desperate, ignorant, or unaware of safer, more effective medical treatments. If you try to contest this point, I will happily go through posts on page one that are medically erroneous and offer nothing but misinformation and bad advice. In fact, the only good advice I think I saw on the first page of this thread was that Hoxsey go to see a doctor. Hindsight is 20/20, I suppose.

The substances you all seem to think are specifically targeting cancer are doing no such thing. It's a shotgun approach that causes catastrophic tissue damage and cell death to both healthy and cancerous cells. Again, the before and after photos say everything that needs to be said in this regard. A surgical procedure would have been a far safer, less expensive, and far less damaging alternative.

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No matter how hard we try, sometimes the CANCER is just going to have already invaded and destroyed so much tissue that regardless of the Modality used, disfigurement and or irrevocable damage is bound to happen.

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As I mentioned above, this post further illustrates the complete and utter lack of understanding of how these products work. The damage done to Hoxsey's face, and anyone else who had been disfigured by these products is not cause by cancer or the salve's imagined aggressive pursuit of cancer. The damage is done by the product itself. Read that again: The products you are using are destroying your tissues whether cancer is present or not. The damage done is not linked to the amount of cancer present, it's linked to the use and abuse of the salve itself.

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We're not invading and disrupting your Forums, so do us the courtesy of not invading and disrupting ours.

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People are here "disrupting" your forum because news of this poor woman's suffering got out and spread around the net. Of all the people who have seen this story, a tiny handful have come here out of concern, sadness, and even anger. Your forum is a tiny, tiny minority who feels these practices are safe, effective, and "natural." The reason your tiny minority is feeling the heat right now is because the overwhelming majority of people learning about this story find it abhorrent, disheartening, and dangerous.

I imagine that view may reinforce your community's belief that you're all onto something esoteric and that nobody else will understand it because we've all been brainwashed by the System, or something of the sort. I certainly hope that's not the case because quite frankly, it would be an absurd notion to harbour. People freak out when they hear and see this story because it's indicative of unhealthy modes of thought and unsafe practices, period.

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I'm alive because of Bloodroot... and I will never allow people like you to prevent me from sharing that fact, that truth, that Salvation with others.

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This is the most disturbing thing you've said thus far. I'm sure you think you're alive because of bloodroot but you could have been saved by a doctor's expertise just as easily, and probably far less traumatically.

This isn't about your experience, this is about Hoxsey and all the terrible misinformation and advice the poor woman has been given by people who don't understand the chemicals they're dealing with. YOU, specifically YOU, julypanda, may have the right to share your story; but you most certainly don't have the expertise or medical knowledge to offer advice on the application of a substance that literally ate away healthy tissue and disfigured another human being. You don't have the expertise to advise on the recovery required to deal with that trauma, nor do you have the expertise to espouse the use of such products to people you've never met and/or have no clue as to what their medical history is.

Go back and look at the pictures of the damage this salve did to Hoxsey. Go back and look. If you don't go back and look, ask yourself why you aren't.

People have come to this thread voicing their concern and anger because they're upset. They just saw and read about a woman who disfigured her face because she eschewed proper medical advice and assistance in favour of a group of people who have no certification, knowledge, or experience in the proper, safe, treatment of skin cancers.

And look where it got her:

- A disfigured forehead and nose.
- Medical expenses far beyond what a Mohs surgery would have cost her.
- Weeks of pain.
- Months of concern, fear, anxiety, and emotional suffering.

If you think that's better than the "current Medical Model," the medical model that can perform a removal of a BCC in an outpatient procedure with a ~99% success rate, then I'm afraid you're beyond all hope of having any sort of reasonable discussion with.

Again, to anyone considering this type of "salve treatment" - reconsider. It isn't safe, and there are better medical options out there.

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You think your arguments are valid... they aren't. I don't advocate ANYONE to use Bloodroot... each person has to make a personal decision based on their own research and due diligence ...I didn't advocate that Hoxsey use it.... merely offered consolation and support 'after' the fact. No one encouraged or advocated I use it.. I used it because I found it to be the right thing for ME to do. You're making a LOT of 'assumptions' here also.... you're assuming Hoxsey didn't get all of the Cancer with the Bloodroot.... No one can say with 100 percent certainty whether she did or didn't.... the Doctors performed surgery reconstructive surgery that probably would have had to have been performed anyway because her Cancer had already destroyed so much tissue that her nose was not able to be saved no matter what methods used. It happens... I had a Friend with breast Cancer who chose the traditional Medical Model (Chemo & Radiation) and her breast still turned black and rotted off before she died.... The 'kind' Medical Model held no hope for her. I have dozens of dead Friends from Cancer who have been POISONED, disfigured and cut to pieces using the traditional Medical Model. I also know DOZENS who are alive & well using Bloodroot and other natural methods.... It's OUR choices.... and whether you care to believe it or not is YOUR biased choice. Every one of us who choose whatever paths to our wellness have to inform ourselves to ALL of the options available and then weigh the risks accordingly. Unfortunately, there are some unhappy endings. This IS about MY experience... it's about everyone's experiences.... and you can not say with any certainty whatsoever (nor can anyone else for that matter) that Hoxsey's outcome would have been 'better' if she'd have gone YOUR recommended route. You think the traditional Medical Model is the better option out there... many of us don't. You will NOT silence my voice with yours because I KNOW that you're wrong. Nature has everything we need for our health and healing and of that I am certain. Conventional Medicine, on the other hand, is only concerned with palliative therapies and 'sick care'... and it's probably WHY you're on this Forum.... because they're tired of losing millions to the people who are genuinely HEALED because of alternative therapies. I KNOW because I shouldn't be here right now.... if I had gone the traditional Medical Route I'd already have been buried years ago. Instead, I'm CURED... spending time I wouldn't otherwise have had doing everything I'd ever planned to do with my Life.... because I still have one to plan.

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You will NOT silence my voice with yours because I KNOW that you're wrong.

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Conventional Medicine, on the other hand, is only concerned with palliative therapies and 'sick care'... and it's probably WHY you're on this Forum.... because they're tired of losing millions to the people who are genuinely HEALED because of alternative therapies.

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I KNOW because I shouldn't be here right now.... if I had gone the traditional Medical Route I'd already have been buried years ago. Instead, I'm CURED... spending time I wouldn't otherwise have had doing everything I'd ever planned to do with my Life.... because I still have one to plan.

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