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Bwakul
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 Posted - 08/02/2013 : 23:45:40
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Originally posted by cheryl21
You seem to be unaware that every time a doctor cuts out a skin cancer they are not just cutting out the cancerous cells, but also a massive amount of good skin just to be sure they have got it all. Google it on the internet and have a look at just how much healthy skin they cut out - it will just about make you sick. Black salve does not destroy healthy skin, but only the cancerous tissue.
Most people are aware that surgeons use margins of healthy tissue.
Where is the evidence that black salve does not affect healthy tissue. I think this is the main point of contention. |
Edited by - Bwakul on 08/02/2013 23:46:22 |
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Bwakul
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Posted - 08/03/2013 : 00:07:55
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I'm going to leave you guys alone now, I've just realised you are all dealing with something horrible and Hoxsey has not asked to be "defended". If you're happy with your choices, and the black salve has offered the right answers for you, the best of luck to you. I hope Myself and my family and friends do not have to suffer any more from this horrible condition and I hope the same for you and yours.
If my sister in law (the Dr. And herbalist) has anything interesting to add, I might post that information if it is useful. |
Edited by - Bwakul on 08/03/2013 03:29:38 |
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2013 : 02:53:14
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Interestingly I decided to see what was being said on reddit.
I searched bloodroot paste and zinc chloride and found NOTHING linking back to this site...
Chill would you mind sharing the link to the post you are speaking of on reddit that links back to this forum? |
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Bwakul
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Chill
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Posted - 08/03/2013 : 03:53:27
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Anivoc, I've definitely been offended by the accusations leveled at me. I would like an honest discussion, but it's difficult when the person you're expressing your opposing view to takes that as a personal attack and gets nasty.
Here's something you're not going to like, so just be prepared for it and please understand that I'm not attacking you personally, I'm simply pointing out an error. I don't have an agenda etc. etc. etc.
You've found Moh's 1976 publication. His process with Zinc Chloride was a little different from the process you guys use:
He injected a controlled amount of zinc chloride as a fixative, CUT AWAY the tissue, examined it under a microscope with a very clever plan of determining how much cancer still needed to be cut away. The process required years of training.
His use of Zinc Chloride has been replaced with freezing the excised skin.
Anivoc, honestly ask yourself if this process is equivalent to the process you guys use at home, and that you're allowed to claim the 99% rate as being yours to claim. Doesn't that seem a little disingenuous?
Here's some historical context for you:
http://books.google.co.za/books?id=u_rYwMlRogQC&pg=PA2&lpg=PA2&dq=mohs+inject+zinc+chloride&source=bl&ots=P2Lc4ue6GT&sig=ZzLx0RehFGR72MS69vtO2QewTX0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=msH8Ua_bO4yEhQfNgIH4DQ&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=mohs%20inject%20zinc%20chloride&f=false
I'm really sorry your argument doesn't work out, and I hope you don't take it personally. Just try and think of it clearly without letting emotional fervour cloud your judgment.
Please guys, if someone comes here with a post asking if severe facial swelling is normal, just tell them to perhaps go see a doctor?
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2013 : 03:55:45
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Thanks Bwakul
So basically a bunch of lay people who don't have skin cancer expounding on their ignorance. Really disturbing...reminds me of 12 year old kids ganging up on the weaker ones....
So this is where this all came from...
Only God knows for sure but based on thousands of videos on youtube of people using bloodroot paste I am going to venture an informed guess that had Hoxsey chosen Mohs surgery they would have had to take every bit as much tissue and maybe more...
We'll never know ...There is a minute amount of "bad press" and thousands of real people with real pictures and videos all over the net indicating there are a whole lot of people that have successfully used blood root paste. Using it is not for the faint of heart...
I have personally applied to a non exposed area of my skin for 24 hours with Zero effect on healthy skin...on a basal cell lesion using the same paste WHAM! in minutes of application it was tearing it up..
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2013 : 04:19:00
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Chill it appears we have gotten off on the wrong foot...Not all of the people that came here recently were as rude as others nevertheless it put several of us on the defense..
The link you posted is great...
The exact page that comes up when you click on the link says mohs applied a zinc chloride "paste" and that it had to be left overnight causing the patients GREAT pain...later when rushing to do a video he did the frozen tissue thing and decided it was better... I doubt Mohs was "only in it for the money"..He was a courageous medical innovator, the likes that could not operate legally in todays litigious world..
All you have to do is search youtube and bloodroot paste and you will find hundreds of testimonials ...a few from sellers but mostly from people like me and the other people here who came to the conclusion Bloodroot paste was a viable consideration in dealing with our skin cancer lesions...If you browse topical info you will see this site is not JUST Bloodroot but hundreds of approaches to deal with skin cancer...Bloodroot paste and Zinc Chloride are just one tool in a huge toolbox of choices and approaches...
The medical world is not a perfect system and the way it has been set up restricts what doctors like Mohs used to do...add to that the fear of lawsuits and you have a tight bottleneck for progress and experimentation. |
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Bwakul
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Posted - 08/03/2013 : 04:27:24
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I only saw the reddit posts because of the link posted on this forum. It appears that a reddit post will end up with the majority leaning one way or another and differing views get voted or shouted down. It also depends on where something is posted, for example whether it is in the alt-med sub-eddit versus a skeptics sub-reddit.
There were a few comments in there from doctors too...this one for example...which was also posted on this forum.
"I had a fairly young patient once who used "Blood Root Salve" for her breast cancer. Continued to grow until it replaced her whole breast. By the time she came to a real doc, it had invaded the ribs into the pleural cavity & all the breast skin was gone. Necrotic tumor was growing out of her armpit like a cauliflower. It bled & oozed & smelled so horrible that the Hospice House had to kick her out. She was so skinny & the tumor on her chest was just huge sucking up all her nutrients & life. She hurt like hell. She didn't tolerate chemo & antiestrogens didn't do much. As a desperate measure we irradiated it which slowed the bleeding & debulked as much as possible surgically without leaving to much of her heart & lungs exposed. Helped the pain a lot & improved the smell enough that her family could visit."
Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/1j47pd/woman_chooses_altmed_instead_of_outpatient/cbb45p5
He writes 3 long posts (in yellow) in response to a nurses post which is at the top of the linked page and makes some good points. |
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2013 : 04:38:39
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In regards to what we say when someone comes here asking for opinions from others who have EXPERIENCE....why in the world would we not share what we experienced...Do you really think the dermatologist would know how to answer that question better than we could?
Trying to understand your perspective...like we did her a disservice telling her that swelling was normal... it's what happens when you use Blood root paste. She asked, Bonder and I replied
None of us could have known the severity of her situation until she posted pictures later... even then the deed was already done ...getting to a dermatologist at that point would have had no effect on the end result or lessened what was already being eradicated.
As Doctor Larsen explained it to me ...these lesions are undetectable by our immune system...They have a sac or veil around them that hides them...when we apply bloodroot paste it removes the veil and exposes the lesion as an invader..the white blood cells attack and the body expels the invader...
It is not the blood root or zinc chloride that do the killing, it is the white blood cells doing their job... By the time she posted her question their work was done. It was then just a matter of time for the body to eject the dead tissue ala swelling and puss.
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2013 : 04:53:29
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I read the link and it is about a woman who used bloodroot paste for a breast cancer...
I chased another link about the down side of Bloodroot paste and it was about a man with melanoma.. Though there are mentions of people beating Melanoma with it...they are questionable and unproven to my knowledge.
For sure Dan ( owner of topical info) makes it clear that the alternative therapies discussed here are for NON MELANOMA "SKIN CANCERS" if you have Melanoma get yourself to your doctor ASAP...Always get suspicious lesions biopsied to confirm they are not Melanoma... |
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Bwakul
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Posted - 08/03/2013 : 05:05:56
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I did read his disclaimer, I had not noticed it at the bottom of the page. Good to see.
It would be good to see an additional warning there for those with a damaged circulatory system. Being a type 1 diabetic of 30 years. The use of something like black salve would be disastrous for me. I form eschers spontaneously from minor damage to my skin and a wound only a couple mm across cam take 6 months to heal. Too bad for me, as I could completely overlook a possible skin cancer as I have several wounds that won't heal at any one time. |
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djt10
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Posted - 08/03/2013 : 13:01:06
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| My black salve formula, and the light salve used with it to draw out toxins and help with the healing process came from a 150-year-old book owned by a chiropractor, so that formula using bloodroot, zinc chloride and flour, was published in the mid-eighteen hundreds, so it obviously wasn't "created" by Dr. Fell. It was published in our county paper in 1981, The Yakima Herald-Republic in a story about a sting operation to "catch" people using it--but the published the full formulas and instructions, so there are people all over this area who have used it including my family since 1986. We do this in private. Most people have been diagnosed with cancer, but don't return to doctors after using it. There is a good deal of information on bloodroot--it's not "caustic or corrosive" to healthy tissue. In fact they've used it in toothpaste. And all anyone has to do is some basic research on zinc chloride to find out it is not corrosive to healthy tissues, the only organic material it breaks down, as I've aleady said, is silk and cellulose, which is closely related to chitin, found in fungal and cancer cell walls, which would explain how it helps to expose cancer cells to the immune system, although there is some research that bloodroot does selectively have an impact on cancer cells. I'm going to post this link again to the medical studies on bloodroot: http://truthquest2.com/cancersalves.htm However, we've used black salve for numerous conditions. |
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djt10
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Posted - 08/03/2013 : 14:13:47
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| By the way, medical doctors in the Philippines have integrated black salve use for cancer into their conventional medical treatments after observing it's effectiveness. It is now part of mainstream medicine there, so anyone wanting to be under a licensed physician's care and can afford the trip can go there for treatment. Also, I've seen one failure. I gave some to a woman with metastasized stage 4 lung cancer, but her immune system was so far gone that despite a new application daily, her body couldn't mount a response to it other than a little redness where she pricked the skin with a sterile needle to help it penetrate through the skin. She died a week later of cancer-related seizures. |
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Control
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Posted - 08/07/2013 : 09:28:54
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Hello, everyone. I'm from reddit, too. Chill has already said a lot of what I would have said, but I wanted to give my two cents.
Firstly, this forum does have a noticeable disclaimer saying to seek professional help for treatments. So from their perspective, these people on the forum are just people who have had success or looking for alternatives to the choice they already know about, and wanted to share their experiences and spread the word of alt medicine. That's natural to want to share things with others that work. I find nothing wrong with this forum itself,nor do I find faults with the members of the discussion for the most part.
The original poster clearly had access to medical attention, but made the conscious decision to look elsewhere for the moment. She's a grown woman, that's her choice. Great! Her decision didn't turn out the best, did it? I at least was hoping to see more members clarify the seriousness of what was happening. When a normal person sees something like that, it's time to recommend a professional- it's time to say "look, I have had positive experiences with alt med but clearly it's not working out for you - I cannot give more testimony as I fear it will alter your judgment on what you should do with that serious situation. Stop posting and go to the doctor immediately!
For all I know, alt med seems to work for some, and not for others. I just feel the evidence is there that supports going to the doctor is going to result in a better ending the majority of the time. But hey- keep spreading the news about alt med, love that freedom to do so! Just make it clear before you converse with these wide eyed health seekers that while it worked for some, you cannot says with a clear conscious that it will work for them. Remind them it is a gamble with their well-being, probably similar to how some of you view modern medicine. (Which is true, too, but research is simply going to take sides with modern medicine. If there is truth to alt med, it will eventually be universally known. Humans are cool like that in large demographics - they end up with what works. while there may be many intriguing truths you could tell me regarding alt med, something tells me modern medicine will be the drug of choice, pun absolutely intended - for a very long time.
Stay healthy, everyone! |
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BlondeAmbition3
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Posted - 08/07/2013 : 22:26:25
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Originally posted by Control
Hello, everyone. I'm from reddit, too. Chill has already said a lot of what I would have said, but I wanted to give my two cents.
Firstly, this forum does have a noticeable disclaimer saying to seek professional help for treatments. So from their perspective, these people on the forum are just people who have had success or looking for alternatives to the choice they already know about, and wanted to share their experiences and spread the word of alt medicine. That's natural to want to share things with others that work. I find nothing wrong with this forum itself,nor do I find faults with the members of the discussion for the most part.
The original poster clearly had access to medical attention, but made the conscious decision to look elsewhere for the moment. She's a grown woman, that's her choice. Great! Her decision didn't turn out the best, did it? I at least was hoping to see more members clarify the seriousness of what was happening. When a normal person sees something like that, it's time to recommend a professional- it's time to say "look, I have had positive experiences with alt med but clearly it's not working out for you - I cannot give more testimony as I fear it will alter your judgment on what you should do with that serious situation. Stop posting and go to the doctor immediately!
For all I know, alt med seems to work for some, and not for others. I just feel the evidence is there that supports going to the doctor is going to result in a better ending the majority of the time. But hey- keep spreading the news about alt med, love that freedom to do so! Just make it clear before you converse with these wide eyed health seekers that while it worked for some, you cannot says with a clear conscious that it will work for them. Remind them it is a gamble with their well-being, probably similar to how some of you view modern medicine. (Which is true, too, but research is simply going to take sides with modern medicine. If there is truth to alt med, it will eventually be universally known. Humans are cool like that in large demographics - they end up with what works. while there may be many intriguing truths you could tell me regarding alt med, something tells me modern medicine will be the drug of choice, pun absolutely intended - for a very long time.
Stay healthy, everyone!
Excellent advise. I'm certainly listening and will be certain to apply these cautions you so wisely suggested Control. :) |
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Deb
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Posted - 08/10/2013 : 07:34:46
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I don't visit this page for a while and I suddenly see some abusive posts! Discussion - YES! Personal comments - NO!
What I have to offer is this - When talking to my dermatologist about black salve, she told me that a doctor in the hospital had given a presentation about 3 of his patients who had done 'do-it-yourself surgery'with the salve. The outcome he delivered was that 1 patient had been cured, one patient had a return of the cancer and the other patient had not bothered to come back to the clinic (probably cured rather than died, I think). The doctors (inc the dermatologist)I have shown my disappearing lesions to are puzzled but they look at my photographic evidence alongside and they acknowledge that something is definitely being removed. I too am regarding cancer in a holistic way and am using the salve alongside other positive health/lifestyle choices. I am also now having mistletoe therapy to boost my immune system. The doctor who administers this is also a conventionally trained doctor as well as an anthrosopic doctor. In some cases, mistletoe is available on the National Health Service in the UK. My doctor is also a little frustrated that funding for cancer research is mainly channeled away from 'alternative' or 'natural' cures. He has seen first-hand the mistletoe working. |
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dan
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Posted - 08/11/2013 : 00:40:07
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I just want to say how thankful I am to the many posters on this board. Overall, what a wonderful and caring group of people that post here! I can't say the recent flurry of personal attacks helped anything, but the ensuing discussion was welcome.
No one here thinks it turned out great for Hoxsey. Her experience left us with questions such as Does a black salve destroy only the cancer or does it also eat into normal tissue in some people? Does it affect different people, perhaps like those with diabetes, differently? Maybe we will find those answers, but I think it is important that her very real experience is there for others to consider as we look for better ways to deal with our skin cancers.
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Horrux
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Posted - 08/14/2013 : 06:05:39
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Originally posted by Bwakul
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Originally posted by cheryl21
You seem to be unaware that every time a doctor cuts out a skin cancer they are not just cutting out the cancerous cells, but also a massive amount of good skin just to be sure they have got it all. Google it on the internet and have a look at just how much healthy skin they cut out - it will just about make you sick. Black salve does not destroy healthy skin, but only the cancerous tissue.
Most people are aware that surgeons use margins of healthy tissue.
Where is the evidence that black salve does not affect healthy tissue. I think this is the main point of contention.
Surgeons use margins of healthy tissue on your FACE, but not when you have the cancer on your chest. At least, such was my case. Infinite stupidity and blatant disregard for what is best for the patient. |
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jamesd
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Posted - 08/14/2013 : 22:08:00
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| I was studing about cancer last night both my wife and I are being treated with a zinc cloride,mixed with plain white flour paste,she has breast cancer I had an old mole on my arm a new mole on my stomach both turned out to be cancers,I had read an article on cancer cell takeing in larger amounts of iron,zinc cloride being a caustic to metal,may just attact these iron ladden cells,any thoughts on this,something has to be diffrent in good cells vs cancer cells I think we over complacate things sometime |
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2013 : 02:55:59
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JamesD
You mentioned both you and your wife are "taking" a mixture of zinc chloride and white flour.
Do you mean you are both taking it internally?
Are you getting this from a Naturopath?
My knee jerk reaction is Zinc chloride is not something you would want to take internally..but I am not a doctor and don't know for sure either way.
Breast Cancer is not skin cancer and this forum is really about "non melanoma" skin cancer.
I offer hope and prayers for you and your wife and strongly urge you to get her and you to a qualified medical doctor ASAP.
Her, because it is breast cancer and you because unfortunately moles that turn cancerous are more often than not, NOT one of the less dangerous skin cancers, a bleeding or irregular growing mole is a symptom of Melanoma ....the type of skin cancer we are NOT discussing treatment of here because of it's lethal nature.
This all said
I have personally been experimenting with ZC on some superficial and also old large basal cell tumors.
I can say this ...yeouch! If I have an open wound where there is a skin cancer Zinc Chloride (just zinc chloride liquefied to a 50% solution with water) definitely creates an immediate and obvious reaction. Using pure Zinc Chloride in a 50% solution I have had MAJORLY strong results...did it kill the tumor? it definitely killed some of it...It turned white (I suspect this is white blood cells) swelled and then died off.
I had a small basal cell on my cheek I had been hitting with a long list of various ingredients for the last 2 years... One night it was being exceptionally annoying and as I was messing with it started to bleed...I knew from previous experience that the zinc chloride 50% solution worked like a styptic pencil on shaving nicks so I applied a little ...WHAM! it stung and this little 1/4 wound started to swell up something terrible..it was like there was a small marble under the skin..On this one I never covered it and it took a few weeks for it to go down...where the original tumor was it has healed up and is slightly indented... Though this area is in the best condition it has been in in a few years..it is still tender and I suspect there is still some cancer there...
The infamous Dr. Mohs documented it.. Zinc Chloride kills cancer cells..
Now on the iron thing I was not aware of it but I do find it VERY interesting because of an observation I have made this year in regards to iron rust and skin cancer.
I was repainting a wrought Iron fence and was sanding the metal...When I went in to take a shower I noticed that all the little lesions on my face had sucked up the rust like little magnets..The rust was in the air from the sanding but seemed to condense and collect on the lesions...the shower cleaned them up..
A few more times while sanding metal I noticed the same phenomenon...what that all means I don't know just an observation..
In regards to how Zinc Chloride works I base the following on what I was told by a Veterinarian who made his own Bloodroot paste with Zinc Chloride to treat sarcomas on horses successfully.
He explained it as such...Cancers have a way of tricking the immune system so that it won't attack them..It has a veil or sac that mimics natural healthy cells.. when you apply the paste it exposes the tumor as an intruder and the white blood cells attack.. the rest is a pain, swelling miserable battle between your immune system and the invading tumor cells.
If I apply the same 50% solution to healthy skin (at least in my case ) nothing happens...to a healthy wound nothing happens... a cancerous wound....WATCH OUT ...
Well that's my two cents and that about what it is worth... I do hope and pray you get you and your wife professional medical advice immediately..you can always do the alternative thing but you really should know for sure what your traditional options are and the risk involved should you decide not to go that way..
All the best to you and good luck!
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jamesd
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Posted - 08/15/2013 : 08:23:21
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| anivoc iam sorry if it sounded like i was takeing this internally we are not," applied only to skin" my family has been using this since at least 1930 my mom has cured many people we use ground flaxseed politce after frist day changed daily,washed between applications with a cup of warm water mixed with a capful brown bottle lysol never have seen infection, after cancer comes out start using a homemade healing salve. my wife is under a doctors care. its a long road, painful at times but we know cancer can do no more to you than God will allow. |
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anivoc
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Posted - 08/15/2013 : 10:33:46
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Jamesd
I would appreciate you posting your ground flax-seed poultice recipe and also your healing salve recipe if you are willing.
It was coincidental that you posted the other day as I am getting more agressive with Zinc Chloride. I was in a lot of pain when I replied yesterday...I have a very large area on my shoulder that I can't get knocked out with Vitamin C and dmso ( been successful on smaller lesions )
Using a q-tip that I first moistened with water and squeezed it out.. I dripped a few drops of the 50% solution of Zinc Chloride on it...I then dipped the tip into my Vit C DMSO solution ( about 10 drops) and applied it...OUCH! well it hazed over white and swelled up pretty bad...started throbbing..this is very diluted in comparison to bloodroot paste..I will hit it again today the same way.. The swelling has gone down some ..this area is about 1" wide and was relatively flat..after the application last night it raised up about 1/4 of an inch...
BTW this is on my shoulder so the liquid doesn't just stay on my lesion no healthy skin had a reaction...only the lesion...again this is a dilluted version but it is noteworthy that again I personally have never had standard bloodroot paste or any of my solutions of Zinc Chloride effect MY healthy skin...
As has been mentioned, results can vary widely dependent upon the person, level of health and other medical conditions... Always smart to try a test area first..
Just a footnote on Zinc Chloride as blood stopper. It does seem to have an coagulator effect like a styptic pencil...
My son-in-law had a zit he had messed with that wouldn't stop bleeding I gave him a q-tip with my 50% solution and it stopped it immediately. |
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jamesd
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Posted - 08/15/2013 : 11:15:21
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| anivoc just use ground flaxseed from foodcity. ect.make into a paste with hot water,apply to gauzepad dont use nonstick pads change daily flaxseed meal will dry out pulling cancer to a head after several days. as this increases may have to change twice daily as flaxseed meal dries it gets hard edges will get sharp. can be painful according where it at I guess not so bad on body parts that dont flex forarm back ect mix a ,thinner mix at first maybe alittle stiffer each day as it will rim and break adding is own liquid I posted the healing salve earlier in another post if you dont find it let me know |
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jamesd
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Posted - 08/15/2013 : 20:35:03
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| what we have always done is to mix very little zinc cloride about the size of a kitchen match head with a few drops of water to a thin syurp then mix with plain white flour to make a stiff paste put on gauze pad cover place 24 hours it will burn or itch at first if cancer is present it will find it, may be a lot larger than place than it was applied to you will know when pad is removed.it will be white or gray. |
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momnson
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Posted - 08/16/2013 : 15:44:21
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Hoxey, great job! I am just finishing a spot on my buttox, that blew up to be huge! It just came out last night. I will try to post some pix. I am looking at previous pix from my face - when I did it I also swelled up so much I didn't recognize myself.
How is your nose now?
Talk soon,
I logged in, will this post?
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momnson
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Posted - 08/16/2013 : 15:48:04
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[quote]Originally posted by anivoc
Jamesd
I thought the black salve was only suppose to have the 4 herbs? Why do people use the zinc chloride when it works without it?
There is so much information. My latest eschar removal has my husband and I quite concerned. Should I get a biopsy of the area before doing it again? I am trying to post pics but have to work on it.
Thanks |
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jamesd
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Posted - 08/16/2013 : 21:58:42
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| healing salve goes like this- one 3.5oz jar vaseline 10 drops carbolic acid,10 drops iodine,1/4 teaspoon copper sulphate ground to a fine powder,best to warm vaseline mix well should be a light pink.you can find copper sulphate on ebay ,carbolic acid or phenol acohol by scrip,maybe a vet,anyone have a good source please post,good iodine is hard to find I think because of meth be sure your not allergic iodine not sure about copper allergies |
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Chill
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Posted - 08/19/2013 : 06:52:56
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Hi Momnson, if you're concerned for whatever reason, please don't feel that consulting a doctor is a weak choice. The information on here is all over the place, the chemicals are hazardous and the replies might say things will work out fine when the people writing them just don't know enough about your situation.
If you and your husband have legitimate concerns, do your family a service and get it checked out.
Hope everything works out okay :) |
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hatlady
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Posted - 08/19/2013 : 12:11:06
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| I used Black Salve 6 weeks ago on a scalp lesion that was confirmed a basal cell carcinoma by a biopsy and it seemed to follow all the scenarios I have read about and seen on the Internet. the pain has left, but the eschar is still there. It has been loose for 2 weeks except for right in the center it is still attached. All the swelling seems to be going away. I am keeping it covered and coated with vasoline. I am a little concerned that it doesn't come off. Occasionally there is a little bleeding when I clean it off with peroxide each day. Thanks for any input! |
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Deb
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Posted - 08/21/2013 : 06:07:31
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| I continue to be grateful to all of the contributors to this site who have shared their real-life experiences; I have found them very helpful indeed. Using black salve has been a revelation to me. Having a choice around my treatment is essential and I think even those who have aired their strong opinions will remember this site and the discoveries that they have found. Should they be unfortunate enough to experience skin cancer and its often chronic nature, they may exercise their choice in a way that they protest fiercely against now. Of course, they would disagree with this possibility. However if they walked in the shoes of those with skin cancer..... |
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cheryl21
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Posted - 08/22/2013 : 17:25:22
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Chill,
This site presents "skin cancer treatment and prevention information to enable NATURAL healing of squamous or basal cell carcinoma". So, consequently the people who visit this site who are dealing with skin cancer and posting on the forum are asking questions and seeking advice regarding ALTERNATIVE ways of dealing with their skin cancers.
You think you are being helpful by telling people to go to the doctor and that what they are using is hazardous. People aren't stupid and they are weighing up the information available to them and deciding what to do in their own individual case. They know perfectly well that they can see a doctor and, in many cases, already have. |
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julypanda
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Posted - 08/23/2013 : 01:59:17
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| WELL SAID CHERYL21 !!!! |
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cheryl21
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Posted - 08/23/2013 : 03:13:35
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| Thanks Jules! |
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BlondeAmbition3
53 Posts |
Posted - 08/23/2013 : 12:39:32
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Chemotherapy and Radiation are also hazardous; (Some, not all, of the many side effects are listed below.... some even irreversible, including Death);
Chemotherapy Drug Possible Side Effects
(Not all side effects are listed. Some of those listed may be short-term side effects; others are long-term side effects.)
carboplatin (Paraplatin)
› usually given intravenously (IV)
› used for cancers of the ovary, head and neck, and lung
› decrease in blood cell counts
› hair loss (reversible)
› confusion
› nausea, vomiting, and/or diarrhea (usually a › short-term side effect occurring the first 24 to › 72 hours following treatment)
cisplatin (Platinol, Platinol-AQ)
› usually given intravenously (IV)
› used for cancers of the bladder, ovary, and testicles
› decrease in blood cell counts
› allergic reaction, including a rash and/or labored breathing
› nausea and vomiting that usually occurs for 24 hours or longer
› ringing in ears and hearing loss
› fluctuations in blood electrolytes
› kidney damage
cyclophosphamide (Cytoxan, Neosar)
› can be given intravenously (IV) or orally
› used for lymphoma, breast cancer, and ovarian carcinoma
› decrease in blood cell counts
› nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain
› decreased appetite
› hair loss (reversible)
› bladder damage
› fertility impairment
› lung or heart damage (with high doses)
› secondary malignancies (rare)
doxorubicin (Adriamycin)
› given intravenously (IV)
› used for breast cancer, lymphoma, and multiple myeloma
› decrease in blood cell counts
› mouth ulcers
› hair loss (reversible)
› nausea and vomiting
› heart damage
etoposide (VePesid)
› can be given intravenously (IV) or orally
› used for cancers of the lung, testicles, leukemia, and lymphoma
› decrease in blood cell counts
› hair loss (reversible)
› nausea and vomiting
› allergic reaction
› mouth ulcers
› low blood pressure (during administration)
› decreased appetite
› diarrhea and abdominal pain
› bronchospasm
› flu-like symptoms
fluorouracil (5-FU)
› given intravenously (IV)
› used for cancers of the colon, breast, stomach, and head and neck
› decrease in blood cell counts
› diarrhea
› mouth ulcers
› photosensitivity
› dry skin
gemcitabine (Gemzar)
› given intravenously (IV)
› used for cancers of the pancreas, breast, ovary, and lung
› decrease in blood cell counts
› nausea and vomiting
› fever and flu-like symptoms
› rash
irinotecan (Camptosar)
› given intravenously (IV)
› used for cancers of the colon and rectum
› decrease in blood cell counts
› diarrhea
› hair loss (reversible)
methotrexate
(Folex, Mexate, Amethopterin)
› may be given intravenously (IV), intrathecally (into the spinal column), or orally
› used for cancers of the breast, lung, blood, bone, and lymph system
› decrease in blood cell counts
› nausea and vomiting
› mouth ulcers
› skin rashes and photosensitivity
› dizziness, headache, or drowsiness
› kidney damage (with a high-dose therapy)
› liver damage
› hair loss (reversible)
› seizures
paclitaxel (Taxol)
› given intravenously (IV)
› used with cancers of the breast, ovary, and lung
› decrease in blood cell counts
› allergic reaction
› nausea and vomiting
› loss of appetite
› change in taste
› thin or brittle hair
› joint pain (short term)
› numbness or tingling in the fingers or toes
topotecan (Hycamtin)
› given intravenously (IV)
› used for cancers of the ovary and lung
› decrease in blood cell counts
› diarrhea
› hair loss (reversible)
› nausea and vomiting
vincristine
(Oncovin, Vincasar PFS)
› usually given intravenously (IV)
› used for leukemia and lymphoma
› numbness or tingling in the fingers or toes
› weakness
› loss of reflexes
› jaw pain
› hair loss (reversible)
› constipation or abdominal cramping
vinblastine (Velban)
› given intravenously (IV)
› used for lymphoma and cancers of the testis and head and neck
› decrease in blood cell counts
› hair loss (reversible)
› constipation or abdominal cramping
› jaw pain
› numbness or tingling in the fingers or toes
* Since I copied and pasted the above information, it may not view correctly... please use the following link;
Stanford Medicine » School of Medicine » Stanford Cancer Center » Understanding Cancer » Cancer Treatment » Methods
http://cancer.stanford.edu/information/cancerTreatment/methods/chemotherapy.html
"Properly prepared" Bloodroot Salve/Paste w/Zinc Chloride (Recipes are within this Web Site that have been implemented and are known to be safe)...is NOT hazardous to healthy tissue at all. Period.. Tens of thousands of Cancer Survivors (Including myself), can attest to this. Here's is only one of thousands of great articles about the healing Properties of Bloodroot; www.naturalnews.com/039803_indian_black_salve_cancer_cure_herb.html
The WHO (World Health Organization) acknowledges that many Chemotherapy CAUSES Cancers; www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/chemo-and-radiation-actually-make-cancer-more-malignant" target="_blank">http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/chemo-and-radiation-actually-make-cancer-more-malignant
GOD has provided each and every one of us with a wonderful mechanism called the Immune System.... and He's populated the Earth with every thing we need for the healing of that Immune System which ultimately brings about the Cure. (Not a single Product on the Earth CURES or HEALS us.... they just enable the Immune System to kick back in and do it's Job... the restored/repaired Immune System is what brings us to healing/cures)... it's up to each and every one of us to individually decide WHICH path is right for us. Doctors are that path for most, but for some of us Doctors are not an option, so we turn to GOD, Nature, and one another for the support and encouragement that we require once we've made our choices. Not every one of us will have a great outcome..... (Regardless of whether we choose the traditional Medical Route or the Holistic/Natural one)....
I pray over this Forum and it's Members. I pray GOD leads many to their healing paths that lay within these walls. "Amen"
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BlondeAmbition3
53 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2013 : 17:43:20
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Romans 12:9
Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
Psalm 7:10
My shield is God Most High, who saves the upright in heart.
Psalm 12:7
You, LORD, will keep the needy safe and will protect us forever from the wicked,
Psalm 31:23
Love the LORD, all his faithful people! The LORD preserves those who are true to him, but the proud he pays back in full.
Psalm 34:14
Turn from evil and do good; seek peace and pursue it.
Psalm 37:40
The LORD helps them and delivers them; he delivers them from the wicked and saves them, because they take refuge in him.
Psalm 145:20
The LORD watches over all who love him, but all the wicked he will destroy. |
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BlondeAmbition3
53 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2013 : 17:50:54
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Psalm 97:10
"Ye that love the Lord, hate evil." For he hates it, his fire consumes it, his lightnings blast it, his presence shakes it out of its place, and his glory confounds all the lovers of it. We cannot love God without hating that which he hates. We are not only to avoid evil, and to refuse to countenance it, but we must be in arms against it, and bear towards it a hearty indignation. "He preserveth the souls of his saints." Therefore they need not be afraid of proclaiming war with the party which favours sin. The saints are the safe ones: they have been saved and shall be saved. God keeps those who keep his law. Those who love the Lord shall see his love manifested to them in their preservation from their enemies, and as they keep far from evil so shall evil be kept far from them. "He delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked." It is not consistent with the glory of his name to give over to the power of his foes those whom his grace has made his friends. He may leave the bodies of his persecuted saints in the hand of the wicked, but not their souls, these are very dear to him, and he preserves them safe in his bosom. This foretells for the church a season of battling with the powers of darkness, but the Lord will preserve it and bring it forth to the light. |
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Dave2001
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Posted - 08/28/2013 : 15:05:42
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A massive thread that opens lot of questions, but after all, we do not need to be too biased in final conclusions, independently of our core beliefs what is right.
I saw too may deaths of friends and relatives after 3rd/4th stage cancers treated coventionally. Noone actually survived for any substantial period (3+ years).
I know personally 3 cancer survivors, after conventional medicine's verdict was that remaining time to live is 2-3 months and stopped any further attempts, except prescribing pain killers. All well documented.
I didn't study what exactly helped those people and all of them didn't publicize their healing miracles (being older people without Internet literacy etc.).
I have no experience with black salve in particular and cannot vauch for or against it, but I believe and hope that some credible foundation or fund will recognize a need and trigger (read-finance) scientific trial under impartial medical supervision to find out the truth behind claims, what may indeed be of help for millions suffering from similar conditions.
There are many reasons not to trust some doctors (I had few very nasty experiences), but of course not to all of them. Big Pharma and many MDs share similar professional interests, which may conflict (to extent) with interest of patients.
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BlondeAmbition3
53 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2013 : 15:55:37
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave2001
I believe and hope that some credible foundation or fund will recognize a need and trigger (read-finance) scientific trial under impartial medical supervision to find out the truth behind claims, what may indeed be of help for millions suffering from similar conditions.
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bonder
186 Posts |
Posted - 09/01/2013 : 15:24:07
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Y'know Hmatt843...
Folks like you make me sick !!
Hi Horrux,
(I understand you are likely trying to save money and that you are trying to keep high hopes, but I would encourage you to please reconsider your route of treatment and seek truly professional care. Your health should be of utmost concern and is not something to be toyed or experimented with. Please consider my words more seriously than you may be initially inclined to.)
Who is paying you to come here and down-play one of the common-man's only choices left to treat cancer without huge expense???
Cave-Man-Like tools that simply cut into and spew-open the disease and spread cancer more widely due to the harshly ignorant process of exposing your bloodstream to the disease is ineffective, then calling the surgery a success until the next time when they say ...
" Well, we could not see this part of the disease" ?
The American medical community has made billions of dollars from cancer and so I imagine it is pretty scary to see that natural ingredients like Blood Root AND Cannabis are costing so much less to cure such a terrible disease like this.
But, the time has finally come where enough humans are able to compare notes like only doctors could easily do beforehand and then come up with good solutions rather than the heartless and cruel pretenses of the American medical process that jacked the cost of care past the levels of millions of working Americans due to Republican efforts to maximize profits for their clients...
We would all love to be able to just hop in the convertible and let our qualified and experienced doctor cure our simple skin problems but, you know what? THEY CAN'T DO IT !
All that ever happens is people I know or are in my family get butchered and go through tremendous pain and maybe if they are lucky, their very own immune system kicks in for them and they quit drinking or smoking for a while so that their bodies can catch up.
Too many Americans are too ignorant of the fact that the crap that is in fast food or sugar sodas damages our insides so much that we don't stand a chance from illness after a while and that because of this, something is bound to give sometime...
And now the sun is beating down upon us like never before so that a poor old man with no hair left is bound to get skin cancer even if he lives in Alaska !!
I wont go to a doctor for my skin cancer until I know without a doubt that I cant change my diet, apply a salve or cream or perhaps ingest a liquid immune system enhancer to do the job first.
Because I can afford it, I have faith in this process and I wont have chemical-pills shoved down my throat every time I need help.
These poisons usually tell me right on the bag how the crap may make me ill in the future. How stupid should I be ????
Freaking Criminals...
Be Well Always,
Bonder
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momnson
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Posted - 09/01/2013 : 21:51:54
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I have decided because of the pain of my most recent mycosis fundoides removal 2" x 3" x 1 1/4" deep that I will not put my poor body through that again.
I am now using HERBAL PLUS Black Salve from Support 4 Heath, internally. I still have several skin spots I need to do; however now that I know I have CK/T-Cell Lymphoma I am going to do the major cleanse and hopefully kill my EBV and HHV-6 viruses along the way. It will pull ALL irregular cells from your body, break down any tumors and your body eliminates it through the normal cleansing process.
DO RESEARCH, but I won't have any more huge scars, painful and bedridden for months at a time and hopefully help with my other health issues.
I will try to post some pictures of my latest removal. Having a hard time getting them to upload
quote:
Originally posted by Horrux
OK so I have been using Black salve to successfully cure my skin cancer. 3 of my most prominent cancerous lesions fell out exactly 2 weeks after initial application. Here is my youtube playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLd5ZAHbQyq3OyZY7Jt-OAQmjTiSHGjyJi
After the success of the initial application, and the fairly low pain experienced, I decided to move ahead with a more ambitious plan. This time, I am covering an area between 3 and 4 times the size of a quarter. Also, I am targeting cancer which is deeper than the first time around.
And this time, boy, am I ever in pain. In my initial round, I would rate my pain about a 3 on a scale of 1 to 10, with occasional spikes to 4. During the second round, I have experienced days on end with a solid 8, with some rare spikes to a 9, where moaning and writhing from it becomes unavoidable. I had some codeine, and I ran through it quickly. I went to my doc for more, and luckily he was willing to comply, with the caveat that regulations prevented him from prescribing any more painkillers.
Now though, my cancer is halfway out, not detached all around, so clearly there is still work that needs doing, and I just took my last 3 codeine pills. I have been supplementing them with Advil and Aspirin, but I fear my liver cannot take too much more of that, and certainly not enough to treat this degree of pain.
Are there any tips as to how to be rid of this pain?
If it matters, I am located near Montreal, in Eastern Canada.
Thanks
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Carole
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Posted - 10/13/2013 : 21:39:57
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(Hoping some of you who are using Black Salve are still reading the forum as this is my first post on this thread.) Have known about Black Salve for many years and we used it on a bad looking mole on my back years ago and it worked beautifully. I've had a BCC cancer, finally diagnosed more than a year ago, on the left side of my nose for probably more than five years but couldn't deal with it for a long time as I had kidney cancer and afterwards simply couldn't get my health back, losing more than 50 pounds afterwards. More than a year ago I began treating with iodine and posted on that thread for months. I have worked on it off an on for more than a year and it is still there and maybe worse. Must try something else.
I haven't wanted to use black salve on my face but absolutely will never go the medical route again as "the experts" destroyed my health with and the surgeries and treatments. For one, I was prescribed the antibiotic Levaquin, leaving me with many devastating, lifelong symptoms to live with as hundreds of others also describe on the internet. I'm past 70 now so figure I couldn't do worse myself using natural things than "the experts" did with their treatments.
I read almost all of the previous posts but the many attack posts throughout the summer I've just skimmed through as it is too much dirt-slinging to wade through. Obviously, most are aware that there is no guarantee of how one's cancer treatment will turn out (whether choosing the natural way OR the medical way. I can say without a doubt that I would never have gone the medical route with my kidney cancer IF I'd known how bad it would turn out) and I want to say how much I admire many here such as Hoxey, and others who have gone through such a lot taking responsibility for their own health. I still don't know what I'll do yet about my nose BCC but I'm sure there may very well be much more under the surface even than it appears and it does look bad. I am still struggling with other issues but must decide what I want to try soon.
I'd be interested to know what brands of Black Salve others are using that have had success. The brand I used years ago is "Herbal Plus" and it has the four normal herbs and also zinc, I believe.
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BlondeAmbition3
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Posted - 10/14/2013 : 01:15:54
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quote:
Originally posted by Carole
(Hoping some of you who are using Black Salve are still reading the forum as this is my first post on this thread.) Have known about Black Salve for many years and we used it on a bad looking mole on my back years ago and it worked beautifully. I've had a BCC cancer, finally diagnosed more than a year ago, on the left side of my nose for probably more than five years but couldn't deal with it for a long time as I had kidney cancer and afterwards simply couldn't get my health back, losing more than 50 pounds afterwards. More than a year ago I began treating with iodine and posted on that thread for months. I have worked on it off an on for more than a year and it is still there and maybe worse. Must try something else.
I haven't wanted to use black salve on my face but absolutely will never go the medical route again as "the experts" destroyed my health with and the surgeries and treatments. For one, I was prescribed the antibiotic Levaquin, leaving me with many devastating, lifelong symptoms to live with as hundreds of others also describe on the internet. I'm past 70 now so figure I couldn't do worse myself using natural things than "the experts" did with their treatments.
I read almost all of the previous posts but the many attack posts throughout the summer I've just skimmed through as it is too much dirt-slinging to wade through. Obviously, most are aware that there is no guarantee of how one's cancer treatment will turn out (whether choosing the natural way OR the medical way. I can say without a doubt that I would never have gone the medical route with my kidney cancer IF I'd known how bad it would turn out) and I want to say how much I admire many here such as Hoxey, and others who have gone through such a lot taking responsibility for their own health. I still don't know what I'll do yet about my nose BCC but I'm sure there may very well be much more under the surface even than it appears and it does look bad. I am still struggling with other issues but must decide what I want to try soon.
I'd be interested to know what brands of Black Salve others are using that have had success. The brand I used years ago is "Herbal Plus" and it has the four normal herbs and also zinc, I believe.
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anivoc
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Posted - 10/15/2013 : 22:38:09
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To Dave and Blonde Ambition....The fact is the testing, the studies have already been done by the inventor of Mohs surgery. Bloodroot paste's efficacy has already been professionally medically studied and the results are quite clear it is an excellent anti cancer compound. I started a new thread and made it a sticky in regards to the TRUTH about bloodroot paste / AKA Zinc Chloride paste..HERE
Based upon the information I have shared there...IMO it is almost criminal, certainly negligent of the medical community and the schools that educate them that the average dermatologist and worse yet plastic surgeons doing Mohs surgery are not properly educated on Bloodroot paste.
If you take the time to go through and read the articles and information I've provided...I'm pretty certain you will find yourself asking how in the world can this be?
How can medical doctors, the people who are licensed and are supposed to know better than us, be unaware of the power and efficacy of this chemical compound and the history of it's use by Dr. Mohs himself?
One has to step back and ask...how much more critical knowledge / valuable information are they not being taught during their extensive and rigorous medical training and education. The education that allows them to be called a doctor and that the average lay person then puts his or her's life's trust and well being into?
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robbiethegood
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Posted - 10/27/2013 : 23:07:28
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Agreed with Anivoc. Not much more to add currently.
Except to say that the paste will tend in my experience, to react on precancerous tissue, as well as cancerous. It will not react on normal tissue, providing you've gotten it from reputable sources. There are also several differing strengths of the paste too. It's a question of learning a bit of skill, like how and where to apply it. |
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BlondeAmbition3
53 Posts |
Posted - 10/28/2013 : 00:37:49
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quote:
Originally posted by anivoc
To Dave and Blonde Ambition....The fact is the testing, the studies have already been done by the inventor of Mohs surgery. Bloodroot paste's efficacy has already been professionally medically studied and the results are quite clear it is an excellent anti cancer compound. I started a new thread and made it a sticky in regards to the TRUTH about bloodroot paste / AKA Zinc Chloride paste..HERE
Based upon the information I have shared there...IMO it is almost criminal, certainly negligent of the medical community and the schools that educate them that the average dermatologist and worse yet plastic surgeons doing Mohs surgery are not properly educated on Bloodroot paste.
If you take the time to go through and read the articles and information I've provided...I'm pretty certain you will find yourself asking how in the world can this be?
How can medical doctors, the people who are licensed and are supposed to know better than us, be unaware of the power and efficacy of this chemical compound and the history of it's use by Dr. Mohs himself?
One has to step back and ask...how much more critical knowledge / valuable information are they not being taught during their extensive and rigorous medical training and education. The education that allows them to be called a doctor and that the average lay person then puts his or her's life's trust and well being into?
Frustrating indeed..
It's beyond frustrating! ... It's criminal. |
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BlondeAmbition3
53 Posts |
Posted - 10/28/2013 : 00:40:49
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Originally posted by robbiethegood
Agreed with Anivoc. Not much more to add currently.
Except to say that the paste will tend in my experience, to react on precancerous tissue, as well as cancerous. It will not react on normal tissue, providing you've gotten it from reputable sources. There are also several differing strengths of the paste too. It's a question of learning a bit of skill, like how and where to apply it.
Thank you robbiethegood for reinforcing these facts with us. |
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aehinkley
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Posted - 11/20/2013 : 18:07:28
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| Do you have any updates of improvement from the surgeries, Hoxsey? Please let us see. |
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saved1978
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Posted - 11/23/2013 : 01:37:24
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Yes so good Gods Word, even in these days after YOLANDA (my wifes Filipino)we need to be unshakeable!These are days of shaking, "And this word, yet once more, signifies the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain" Hebrews 12:27 Keep up the good work Bro/sis!quote:
Originally posted by BlondeAmbition3
Psalm 97:10
"Ye that love the Lord, hate evil." For he hates it, his fire consumes it, his lightnings blast it, his presence shakes it out of its place, and his glory confounds all the lovers of it. We cannot love God without hating that which he hates. We are not only to avoid evil, and to refuse to countenance it, but we must be in arms against it, and bear towards it a hearty indignation. "He preserveth the souls of his saints." Therefore they need not be afraid of proclaiming war with the party which favours sin. The saints are the safe ones: they have been saved and shall be saved. God keeps those who keep his law. Those who love the Lord shall see his love manifested to them in their preservation from their enemies, and as they keep far from evil so shall evil be kept far from them. "He delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked." It is not consistent with the glory of his name to give over to the power of his foes those whom his grace has made his friends. He may leave the bodies of his persecuted saints in the hand of the wicked, but not their souls, these are very dear to him, and he preserves them safe in his bosom. This foretells for the church a season of battling with the powers of darkness, but the Lord will preserve it and bring it forth to the light.
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Bloodroot / Zinc Chloride Paste / Black Salve
