That description sounds like the typical progression. My general rule of thumb is three to five days of application, then give it a rest and see how it heals up. You can always go back and hit it again.
Congrats on finding PS growing wild in SoCal. Several years ago when I first got into this, I actually hiked into various areas around here where PS had been observed, according to a map of SoCal rare plants. Never could find any in the wild at the time, so I gave up and ordered seeds from AUS. Later, I was doing some work at a house up in the hills during a cold, rainy February. In the backyard (among lots of weeds and discarded junk) there was practically a forest of petty spurge growing. So, you never know ....
I have a few petty spurge in my garden, and one scrawny plant inside. Suddenly, I'm not getting milky sap out of any of them. All I get is a little clear fluid, not enough to harvest. Why would this be?
I harvested some for several days, ending about 3 days ago. We had a cold spell after that, though it's not the first cold spell of the season. My plants are still green, though the stalks on the outdoor plants are starting to turn a little reddish. The indoor plants are not nearly as mature as the outdoor plants -- just starting to flower -- and, obviously, are in a more temperate enviroment.
Has anyone seen this before? If so, is this a seasonal thing, or related to the lifecycle of the plants?
I associate that clear fluid with a plant that's in the end stage of its life cycle. I don't know how old your PS plants are, but in the past whenever mine have entered the terminal phase they have that clear liquid instead of milky sap and then they die. Here in CA, PS is definitely a winter annual and doesn't stand the summer heat well. Now is the beginning of the optimum growing season. I have a couple of really beautiful new PS plants taking off. However, several others that I planted too early sprouted during the heat of the summer—then hit an extreme heat wave in Sept.—and now they appear very stunted. I doubt they will thrive.
One thing you can do with a PS plant that's past its prime and you expect to lose is cut up the leaves and stalk and put them all together into a small glass bottle with just a little distilled water. Then use something to pulverize the leaves and stalk and water together into a tincture of smashed-up plant and watery residual sap that leeches out of the leaves and plant fibers. Leave the mixture together in the bottle to "brew" and keep it in the refrigerator. Tincture is unpredictable: I have made some that came out extremely strong and had great results while another batch was only semi-potent. The tincture process is well described by others earlier in this thread. Only other thing I can advise is to plant some more now if you're in N. America as this is the best season. If you get hard freezes you may have to keep it indoors.
Thanks for the thoughtful, informative reply waverider. Sorry for not responding sooner.
I am going to try the tincture idea as the condition of the plants doesn't seem to be changing. I would like to plant some more, but I'm out of my Australian seeds, and my plants aren't quite mature enough yet for the seeds to viable, so it will be a week or two until I plant some. I'm in southern illinois, we usually get a few days of really cold weather (<10 Fahrenheit) every year, so I'll probably have to grow them indoors.
The Petty Spurge plant that I transplanted from the wild on November 10 is still surviving. The spot on my arm that I treated with PS sap has healed and the skin at that location looks normal. It has no reaction to orange oil, whereas it stung a bit when I put orange oil on it prior to using the PS sap on it.
Thanks for updating. Another score for PS. When people say "I'm trying this or that" and then are never heard from again here, the assumption is often that the treatment did not work. It's important to hear when it does work (as well as when it doesn't.)
Since May this year I have used PS again twice on the offending item on my scalp. It always reacts and I always give it three days of once a day treatment, then a week or so later the scab comes off and each time it has looked better but always seems to keep itching and scabs again, albeit smaller a week or so later.
I had it diagnosed by a derm but there was never a biopsy done and I'm at a bit of a loss with it now. Should I keep using PS until it stops coming back? I actually made an appointment with another Dr I'm that fed up with it but I'm reluctant to go because I don't trust them!
The only way to know for sure what you have is to have a biopsy. I would see another derm and ask for a biopsy. Don't know why that would an issue unless he feels he's not going to get paid.
Thanks Bob - it's NHS so payment isn't an issue. The last one I saw stuck his thumb nail into it to diagnose it as AK. Hesitant to return because he actually made it worse!
I'm now with a different Dr so hopefully will be a better outcome.
I was following your journey with Iodine...you quit posting in that thread..
Please share your final thoughts on Iodine and what your end result was with the one you were treating...if you took pictures that would be great for you to share also..
No picture that I can find I'm afraid but it was a messy time. Luckily the patch of skin was on the back of my neck so I could hide it to some extent. The iodine didn't work for me although I did give it a good go, treating plenty of times each day for the recommended periods. It did scan as described but never disappeared.
For this reason, and the fact we have it growing wild in our garden, I decided to try Petty Spurge. The results with PS are much faster but after time the patch of skin has flared up again, then I treat it again for 3 days and it goes away for another couple of months.
Obviously I want to be rid of these things if possible and I'm a firm believer that what we put into our bodies has a big effect overall. With the lack of permanent solution from the topical therapies, I have decided to see a Naturopath next week to have my diet looked at and my vitamin levels, amongst other things checked. I believe I have a systemic yeast infection/candida and I am aware that this can mimic all sorts of other conditions, so if I can get this under control then I might be on the right track.
I'll report back and let everyone know how I get on. Best of luck with your own treatments.
Hi, I'm new here, but have been reading this topic with great interest. I am wondering if there is anyone out there that has been able to find petty spurge in southern Louisiana. The map that someone provided shows that it grows in Terrebonne Parish, but I am wondering if anyone has had any luck finding PS in Louisiana. Any help would be much appreciated! I have a friend with a very large BCC on his face that I am trying to help...
Hi There, I am new to this forum so if this has been covered before, apologies. There are several suppliers of Petty Spurge in Australia and I know they will happily ship to the U.S. I'm an avid user of the sap from the plant and have successfully treated myself for several years now. Here are some links. Hope this helps. http://www.bodyplantsaus.com/ *Also sell on ebay & amazon http://fairdinkumseeds.com/ http://www.radiumweed.com.au/ *Have written an ebook on the plant
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If anyone has seeds that they could send me, please email me so we can make arrangements. Thanks!
Thanks for the info IanL. Someone is sending me seeds...
Hi Madame, How did you go growing the seeds? One thing I have found (and, hopefully your seed supplier warned you) is watch where you use the sap. I was careless enough to treat a basal cell carcinoma above my eyebrow over summer and the sweat on my brow managed to move some of the sap to top of my eye (albeit somewhat diluted at that stage). Apart from the immediate pain, I risked the threat of temporary blindness, not a particularly smart move on my part. I will be rethinking how I use this treatment when it comes to facial lesions. The carcinoma is gone by the way!
My yard in Northern CA is full of plants but I never have much luck in transplanting them and growing in pots. I'm curios to hear from others their experience. I wish I knew a way to get live plants to people, I literally have hundreds.
Regarding facial lesions: I strongly recommend treating once per day, right before bedtime, for 3 days. That will prevent sweating into other areas and your eyes are closed as well. Any longer than 3 days and you risk the IM attacking normal cells that are rapidly dividing healthy cells to heal the dead cells created by the IM.
My yard in Northern CA is full of plants but I never have much luck in transplanting them and growing in pots. I'm curios to hear from others their experience. I wish I knew a way to get live plants to people, I literally have hundreds.
Regarding facial lesions: I strongly recommend treating once per day, right before bedtime, for 3 days. That will prevent sweating into other areas and your eyes are closed as well. Any longer than 3 days and you risk the IM attacking normal cells that are rapidly dividing healthy cells to heal the dead cells created by the IM.
All the best.
Thanks for that BobCA. Yes, I have also found that 3 treatments (one per day) is max and have never had to go beyond that. I'll take your advice on the late evening schedule. That would definitely be a safer approach.
I've had mixed results transplanting from garden to pot. Find that they tend to suffer from shock initially but then come good after a few days. I take 2-3 plants together and as much of the root and surrounding dirt as possible (usually use an old spoon as garden spades too big for the job) and then leave them in the exact same area for a few days (in the pots). Also use the widest vessels I can find to allow for self seeding. Have probably only had about a 50% survival rate with this approach which is not great, but something at least.
Thanks for the info IanL. Someone is sending me seeds...
Hi Madame, How did you go growing the seeds? One thing I have found (and, hopefully your seed supplier warned you) is watch where you use the sap. I was careless enough to treat a basal cell carcinoma above my eyebrow over summer and the sweat on my brow managed to move some of the sap to top of my eye (albeit somewhat diluted at that stage). Apart from the immediate pain, I risked the threat of temporary blindness, not a particularly smart move on my part. I will be rethinking how I use this treatment when it comes to facial lesions. The carcinoma is gone by the way!
IanL, funny you should ask. My seeds grew well, and just started treatment on my friend yesterday. Ironically, his BCC is just above the eyebrow like yours. Actually starts a bit below the eyebrow and extends back to his temple. It's very large. He did not put much sap on yesterday, and did not have much of a reaction. Today, he put a large dose on, so we shall see what happens. I had already warned him about getting any in his eye, but I passed along your warning as well. Thanks! I'll keep you posted...
Good luck with that Madame. That method (and approach) that BobCA suggested in his last post seems to be the best way to deal with treating facial lesions. Getting this stuff in the eye is a truly painful experience. Despite the risks involved I'm a firm believer that Petty Spurge sap has kept my BCC's under control and sure beats the surgical alternative! I still have those scars all over my body and don't wish to go down that path again!
I've been away from the forum for a few months, but back in circulation now. My Petty Spurge plants are doing well and I've saved enough seed to provide for anyone who needs some. I've had a BCC about the size of a nickel on my nose for over a year. Another one the size of a quarter on my RH forehead for over two years. Nothing I've tried has had much effect on either of these until now. My nose is completely cleared up, (praise the Lord!) and my forehead is well on the way to being cleared up. I thank God for His wisdom in leading to me to this wonderful answer to a terrible scourge and I recommend it for anyone with BCC. It simply works! The seeds themselves are very tiny. Once germinated, they don't seem to need much care. The plants do not like extreme heat or cold. When mature, they form tiny flowers and seed pods. I will always keep some seed available for this remarkable plant which has done so much for me.
I am new and this site wouldn't allow me to email you so I'm posting to see if you still have any PS seeds available??? If so please send me an email and I will send you my address. Thanks in advance!
I haven't received a reply from mikE1 to my request for some Petty Spurge seeds so I am adding this request: If anyone has any extra Petty Spurge seeds that they can send me I would appreciate it if they would either reply to this post or send me a private email and I will reply with my address. Thanks ever so much!
Hi KMWS: It seems like you've already read thru this thread but... just in case you missed it: You can buy seeds from Australian sources that are listed above in the thread. They don't take all that long to get here to the US, two to three weeks. Just wanted to make sure you're aware of this so you don't feel like there aren't any alternatives.
Hi KMWS: It seems like you've already read thru this thread but... just in case you missed it: You can buy seeds from Australian sources that are listed above in the thread. They don't take all that long to get here to the US, two to three weeks. Just wanted to make sure you're aware of this so you don't feel like there aren't any alternatives.
I did order some seeds but the Post Office smashed them with their machines so they are totally worthless??? I was hoping that someone on this website would have some seeds and would package them in a padded envelope (as someone else suggested because of the same problem) for me so they don't get destroyed. I didn't want to spend more money ordering from Australia and have the same thing happen wasting my money.
Hi KMWS, These guys were one of the suppliers I previously listed and they claim to send their seeds in padded envelopes so they shouldn't suffer from Post Office mishandling. See: http://www.bodyplantsaus.com/order-seed-seedlings.html I have a friend in Florida that ordered through them and the seeds arrived in good order. Hoping that's not who you used originally? Failing that, are there any suppliers in the US? I saw one recently advertising on ebay though I'm not sure if that was an individual or a business but they should be the same thing as the plant is obviously not native to Australia. I would send you some from here but not sure how to package safely and fear they may suffer the same fate!
Native to Europe but specifically believed to have originated in the British Isles. When you grow it here in US you can see how it likes that UK-type climate -- long cool seasons, damp, partly cloudy type weather, etc. Probably got to Australia via large waves of immigration from Britain.
Also, KMWS, are you familiar with how tiny those PS seeds actually are -- even intact? Most photos online are greatly magnified. If you still have your smashed shipment you might want to examine what's left to see if some of them are actually intact. You would probably need a magnifying glass (I would, at least!) to examine the tiny pieces and tell if it's a broken fragment .... or still a viable, intact seed. They're so small some of them might have survived the smashing machine at the P.O.
I did look as my smashed seeds with a magnifying glass and all of them were so close together that all of them were obviously smashed, but I still tried planting just in-case and none of them germinated??? I have a green thumb so I figured that the seeds were destroyed during shipping.
I was hoping that someone on this site will have some extra seeds to help me get started with my own Petty Spurge plants.
KMWS you live in So Cal like me...Petty Spurge grows all over So Cal..just become familiar with what the plant looks like and then go to the local nature preserve...you're pretty sure to find it...
Hi KMWS, Yes, definitely not native to Australia as Waverider suggested and also pretty sure they came to Australia from the UK via immigration as the early settlers were already using the plant to cure corns & warts back then (read that somewhere). Hopefully you can find them in the local nature reserve. I tried that here but didn't have a very good idea of how to recognize them so ordered seeds to be safe. Now that I've successfully grown a few I think it would be easy to spot them. That PO smashing machine must have been lethal to do such a great job on such small seeds. I wonder if even a padded envelope would have been much help!
Using Petty Spurge to get rid of "corns & warts" seems to be contradictory to what some people are saying that Petty Spurge only attacks 'cancer cells' and leaves other cells alone???
The active ingredient in Petty Spurge is Imgenol mebutate. It works on cells that are rapidly dividing. It actually causes cell death (necrosis) and the stimulates the body's own immune system to clean up the dead cells. This is why the scab forms. Unless a corn has rapidly dividing calls, and they may, petty spurge won't do its thing. When the immune system is repairing the dead cells it is also generating new healthy cells that are also rapidly dividing. This is why it is recommended to only apply petty spurge once a day for 3 days. You will read here at times that someone will use it for an extended period and the hole gets bigger and never heals. That is the spurge killing healthy cells that are rapidly dividing.
KMWS you live in So Cal like me...Petty Spurge grows all over So Cal..just become familiar with what the plant looks like and then go to the local nature preserve...you're pretty sure to find it...
ANIVOC, can you please tell me which local nature preserve you found Petty Spurge at because I printed the photos found on this forum and took them to the Santa Ana River trail and couldn't find any Petty Spurge? Thanks!
I haven't looked this year as I am not using the petty spurge but I have seen it growing along the Pete Schabarum equestrian trail in the past in Rowland heights..I have it growing in my yard in Covina...Once you know what it looks like you'll see it everywhere...MY daughter lives in Orange and I saw it growing in her yard a few years back.,
I haven't looked this year as I am not using the petty spurge but I have seen it growing along the Pete Schabarum equestrian trail in the past in Rowland heights..I have it growing in my yard in Covina...Once you know what it looks like you'll see it everywhere...MY daughter lives in Orange and I saw it growing in her yard a few years back.,
Thanks Anivoc! When you were in a ‘nature preserve’ did you find Petty Spurge in the open sun or in the shade? About how large were the Petty Spurge plants you saw in the wild? I’m just trying to find it somewhere locally while the seeds I received from a kind person on this forum grow so I can start using it now rather than later.
The plants grow in shaded areas with very little sun..They don't seem to fare well in direct sunlight in my experience...They range in size with big ones being maybe a foot wide and tall to smaller like the ones in the link below. It's to a PDF of pictures I took this morning of the two that happened to sprout up in my back yard this spring.
KMWS: Calflora.org is an online database for locating wild plants in CA. I've used it before. You can go to the site and register with a email and password. Then go back to the home page, enter Euphorbia peplus in the Plant Search box and click Search. Click thru the next page and it will bring up an interactive map of CA and then you just click on L.A. county (or whatever county you want.) A directory of sightings of Petty Spurge in that specific county contributed by volunteer wild plant enthusiasts will come up. For ex, there are now 118 Petty Spurge sightings listed in L.A. county. There is some info in the accompanying table about each location -- some is very vague and some are more specific, like an actual street address. Also some sightings are very recent (2016) while some are decades ago and no doubt long out of date. If you click on the link at each sighting on the list it brings up the location on a google map insert.
Caveat: Back when I was getting into this 8 years ago, I utilized Calflora site to try to find PS growing in the wild, like you are doing. I was unable to find any using the info on Calflora. I climbed way up in the Glendale hills one early a.m. to a listed sighting and even bushwhacked in Griffith Park. Also went to a site on the PCH near Zuma Beach. In some cases, location details on Calflora included GPS coordinates where PS was verified to be growing. But even going to the exact spot with a GPS in my hand, I couldn't find any. However, it's important to note that I was searching in August -- after a hot SoCal summer which typically nukes PS into oblivion. It might be different at this time of year, I don't know. I just remember that I didn't have any luck. As fall rolled around, I sent off to Aus for seeds instead and got a crop growing in cool weather.
Just an idea...on the basis that some of us believe these lesions are down to an underlying fungal infection, has anyone on here ever tried taking a prescription anti-fungal such as Itraconazole? I read an article on Medscape recently that suggested it could be useful for BCC's.
I'm not a fan of any drugs but if it might help to rid yourself of the cause, maybe it's useful.
If you google itraconazole bcc medscape, it should be the first link.
The study patients were treated for a month and reduced tumour areas were reported. If anyone has had a fungal nail infection and had it treated with drugs then you'll know how long it takes to eradicate the fungus. Potentially if one was treated for longer than a month, the tumour area would reduce further.
I might be barking up the wrong tree but I wanted to mention it to some like minded people.
Judo, I think you may be barking up the wrong tree. The most common fungal infections in humans are nail and ringworm (tinea corporis). Both of these can be treated with a topical fungicide. Ringworm will resolve fairly quickly but toenail fungus takes a while. Why?, because you have to 1) get to the fungus to kill it, 2) wait for a new healthy nail to grow in (which can take up to a year), 3) keep the fungus from coming back. It is a process. FWIW, I have found tea tree oil used religiously to be better than any fungicide. But we digress from the subject of this forum. I have seen no research that demonstrates ingenol mebutate in Petty Spurge will react with fungi and fungicides do not work on AKs and surface BCCs and SCC.
Thanks Bob, as I said just thought I'd mention it.
Well the lesion on my head has never really gone away, it still scabs, pusses and bleeds a little, then the scab comes off and it does it all again. I treated it with PS twice (gap of around 2-3 months in between) and whilst it reacted quite angrily, it never really went away. I have therefore booked an appointment with my doctor next Tuesday. Initially he said he would do a 4mm biopsy to find out exactly what it is I then asked him, the lesion itself is probably only around 5mm diameter, can we remove the whole thing? He said he would take a look when I go next week and decided from there but didn't see that as an issue.
What do you guys think, should I go for the smaller biopsy or, if he agrees, remove the whole thing?
Just my opinion but a biopsy is only to tell the derm that cancer cells are present and what type. Without knowing that information I doubt the derm coukd get all the cancer. Therefore, I don't beleive a 4 or 5 cm would matter because if it is cancer the chances of you not having to go back to him would be very skim.
He first needs to know what hecis dealing with. Keep us posted because tge strong reaction to the sourge certainly indicates something is there. Hopefully not, but it may be deeper than we would like. let us know and best of luck.
I was thinking about this a little more and if the lesion is not on your face, usually requiring MOH surgery, the derm could certainly be agressive and take more tissue than he needs with the intent on getting everything in the first pass. He would then need to check the margins during pathology to insure he indeed did get everything but at least you'd most likely only need to be there for one visit. Did the derm go over options with you?
Thanks Bob. It's actually on my scalp, I went through the options and he said he'd prefer to do a biopsy for the time being and refer me to a plastic surgeon for further treatment if required - he wasn't comfortable taking any more himself. Had it done yesterday, stings and aches quite a bit now, stitches out next week, results in around 3-4 weeks.
You have to respect a man with a knife who knows his limitations. Let's hope it's nothing but if it is cancer I would expect you should hear in 3 or 4 days. At least that has been my experience. Best of luck, keep us posted, the more we share real world experiences the most educated we become on the effectiveness and possible limitations of the treatments.
Does anyone know how long the PS is supposed to live? BobCA said he had a huge bloom in his yard this Spring in Northern Cal. BobCA also said he has lots of plants but they are starting to die off. I dug up some PS I found in a friends yard in the middle of May and planted them in pots. I kept them in partial sunlight, as some recommended, eventhough I found them in my friends yard in direct sunlight. They were doing good until last week??? They started turning yellow and losing their leaves??? I was wondering if I was watering too much or did I use the wrong dirt mixture for planting??? Any ideas?
PS is classified a winter annual, not a summer plant, so I think they are just genetically programmed to die off in summer. Personally, I've never successfully kept a crop growing thru the hot summer months (in socal we've had enough of heat already.) Even if I protected them from direct sunlight just the ambient heat in the air seems to give the plant the signal to falter and die. However, I think way back in this thread somewhere there are some mentions of keeping them indoors in A/C in summer and getting results.
Judo, you had a biopsy on 6/22 after multiple PS attempts. I have had 100% success rate with PS in identifying cancers and AKs. The fact that you had a strong reaction to the PS leads me to believe there might have been something present. WHat did your biopsy reveal?
Hi James, it's been awhile since anyone had posted. I am not sure where to purchase seeds, there was a company in Australia that was selling them. In northern CA the rains have caused an explosion of spurge in my yard. I expect the entire west coast is popping.
I received some seeds from Catherine Bonadio <cathib5@gmail.com>! [She was very helpful, I hope she doesn't mind me posting her email address] I have found that the recommended 3-7 days treatment with Petty Surge wasn't enough for my Basal Cell Carcinoma because it came back several month later. I have found that you must keep applying the Petty Surge sap until it noticeably stops reacting, because then all the cancer should be gone, but instead it starts healing. You will probably have a small crater where the Petty Surge sap has killed the cancer [See some of the photos on this site], but it will heal with very little scaring. Good luck!
I have also found the the Petty Surge sap won't reach the cancer cells if a scab has formed. The scab is a protective barrier for any sore to prevent infection. Therefore, one must remove the scab which can be painful to just pull it off. To easily remove the scab one can use hot compresses until the scab is loose enough to be easily removed. I prefer a concoction of coconut-oil and baking soda to form a paste to dissolve the scab without any pain, only a little tingling. Baking soda treats cancer by alkalizing the area to kill the cancer cells. This change in pH also helps reverse the growth of cancerous cells and heals your body.
I'm not going to dispute how you personally wish to use Euphorbia Peplus but please keep in mind that Ingenol Mebutate works by killing rapidly dividing cells. This is what differentiates normal cells from cancel cells but be aware the new cells, the ones that are replacing the killed cells, are also rapidly dividing. Continued use of spurge will kill the new cells and you'll end up with a lot of cell death. Clinically, Ingeniol Mebutate is used for surface actinic keratosis or surface squamous cell cancers. Asking it to go deep to root out non-surface basal cell carcinoma may be asking a bit much. Just my opinion.
I'm with Bob on this one. I once treated a growth for over a week and still have a small scar to prove it. I find that if a scab forms after 3 days of treatment then the sap has done its job. I have had a handful of stubborn basal cell carcinomas return so I treat them again. Haven't had to treat them more than twice.
Someone was looking for that contact in Australia that sells the seeds? Here's two sources for you. One is in Queensland, the other in Western Australia.
I guess it depends how large one's Basal Cell Carcinoma is on how long one needs to treat it. My Basal Cell Carcinoma was about a half inch in diameter on my chin. That is a lot larger than some of the Basal Cell Carcinomas shown in the photos on this site, so it probably needed more time to treat it. I was determined to get rid of it so I didn't have to go under the knife because I saw the damage Dermatologist did on some of my friends. After my Basal Cell Carcinoma came back 5 times I treated it with everything natural I got my hands on: Petty Surge until it stopped reacting; a concoction of coconut-oil + baking soda + vitamin D3 to remove the scab so the Petty Surge could reach the BCC; and than eggplant + organic apple cider vinegar + Aloe Vera Sap all blended up to help the sore created to heal. So far so good, but since I really knocked down the BCC this time it might take awhile for it to come back. Only time will tell???
Of course possible recurrence of BCC is not limited to treatments like petty spurge. It's also a frequent result after going the conventional surgery route, too. Recurrence is not unknown even after Mohs surgery. There's really no guaranteed single knock-out punch where you can just forget about it forever. In my opinion ...
In northern CA the rains have caused an explosion of spurge in my yard. I expect the entire west coast is popping.
Down here in SoCal, as well. I was recently tempted to post a message just telling everyone on the west coast: If you've ever wanted to grow petty spurge, this is the year to do it! Plant now. Cool weather, frequent rain and only partial sun, this is what it loves. As opposed to recent sunny drought years where it was very difficult to get it growing and keeping it growing for any length of time was almost impossible.
Hi.. Does anyone have experience with dealing with an scc on their lip with radium weed? I have been reading mine for 7 months and about 70% has gone in first two months but last few months nothing has changed. Any advise?
Thought this might help. You can see that Petty SPurge can work well on AKs and some surface Basal and Squamous cell carcinomas. If the cancer gets too invasive a pro should probably handle it. AKs so come back and repeated hitting with PS will help keep them from developing into cancers.
Thought this might help. You can see that Petty SPurge can work well on AKs and some surface Basal and Squamous cell carcinomas. If the cancer gets too invasive a pro should probably handle it. AKs so come back and repeated hitting with PS will help keep them from developing into cancers.
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BOB, could you please post the link to your image because I can't read the captions it is so small and when I enlarge the image it becomes too blurry to read? Thanks!
I encourage all users of Petty Spurge to Google this article: "FDA Warns About Safety Risks for Ingenol Mebutate". It provides some excellent guidance and warnings.
It appears firstly the FDA is only approving this for Actenic Keratosis AK's which is a pre cancer ...I have read many reports of success with Basal Carcinoma.
AK's are pretty easy to knock out with some of the topicals we use here including Vinegar , cymillium and orange oil.
One very important point mentioned in the article suggested by BobCA and linked by anivoc is that PS shouldn't be applied on an area more than 2 inches by 2 inches and more than one area at a time. Also BobCA told me that PS strength is strongest in the Spring. I had a very severe reaction with just one application of Spring PS to both of my earlobes to test for any reaction for for the indication of BCC. My earlobes turned very red like a bad sunburn and felt like they were on fire. The skin peeled like a sunburn but healed in a week. I have been successful in curing small BCC's, but larger Bcc's should be taken care of by a Dermatologist.
I wonder how the listed concentration of Ingenol Mebutate in Picato compares to what one gets from a drop of freshly cut, natural Petty Spurge sap? If the plants are robust and healthy I wonder if its a much more potent dose than what's in Picato RX. Or not? I tend to think the natural stuff straight from the source is more powerful but I could be wrong. Just wondering...
I tried to find some research papers quantifying the potency of IM in PS but didn't have much luck. The advantage of Picato is that we know it is always the optimal clinical strength for the area of application and that it is purified. Picato is stronger for application cation sites on the body and less concentrated for the face. The downside is that it that Picato can cost $700 per treatment and is usually not covered by insurance, yet. I would say the PS sap is probably more concentrated and I've also found, just by trial and error, that spring time plants appear to be more concentrated. Go slowly when using PS, stick to small areas until you know how you'll react and lint the use to three days. If you need a second application then let the area heal and hit it again until the reaction is only slightly red. Even with Picato some people have reported a strong reaction so everyone is different.
Just to report another success. This time a basal cell carcinoma in the middle of my back. In previous posts I recommended applying the sap three days in a row, then after a month doing the same thing again. Because I couldn't reach my back and had to rely on my wife, I did not follow up after a month. The only thing I did differently was apply tea tree oil cream after the petty spurge sap because I thought it would keep the sap in place and enable it to penetrate better, and the tea tree oil might assist since studies with tea-tree oil and DMSO have been shown to be effective for treatment. The downside of this was that on the third day, adding the cream was very painful. Both BCCs that I have successfully treated were a good 2 inches by 2 inches. My doctor approved of what I was doing (although he did not approve using the sap with a nodular BCC on my face). The doctor said that if an operation were required, the BCCs were so big the treatment would require skin grafts. Anyway, after 8 months my skin is completely clear.
Super! Another success story. PS has literally always worked for me on BCC. Glad to add Tea Tree Cream to the arsenal, too. Eventually, the most effective combo will be refined through trial-and-error DIY experience. Based on yours, mine and other's reports, I think the three-day treatment is pretty much the current standard of care for PS ... unless or until somebody gives persuasive evidence for going beyond that. More is apparently not better.
agare, I am happy to see another success story too! In order to help others that may be following, can you describe the pain you experienced? Did the pain persist beyond a half hour, a day, a week? Can you also provide a brand name for the tea tree oil cream? And just to be certain, can you confirm that DMSO was not part of the remedy? Congrats and thanks!
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Petty Spurge Herb sap for skin cancers
Posted - 11/14/2015 : 08:41:35
