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bright1
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 Posted - 10/05/2012 : 03:23:02
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| Hi, I wanted to come back here a year after successful treatment of a bcc on my face to say how grateful I am to the many posters on this thread. Your shared experiences gave me such great courage at a time when I felt terribly alone and scared. I have as yet had no re-occurrence of the bcc and my dermatologist was pretty confident that it had been completely excised by the petty spurge applications. I now have a permanent (slight and irregular shaped)depression in my skin leading away from the original site of the nodule right across my cheek just under my cheek bone about three inches long. I believe this was the extent of the cancer as it was the area that 'lit up' a bright beetroot red with the original application. I am so happy to have found petty spurge which is now allowed to grow wantonly in my garden and which I address lovingly every time I see a new seedling appear. Thanks again to everyone who responded to my original mail and to all who have experimented with PS and added their success stories for others to benefit. God bless. |
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2012 : 08:41:31
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Tom I am finding this stuff growing all over the San Gabriel Valley and saw some down in Encinitas last week. I had several nice ones growing in a patch behind my garage but too direct exposure to sun so summer killed them..
Yesterday I was across the street talking to my neighbor and there several growing in his front yard planter.
Point being for us here in Cali the gettin is good all over the place.
To date only the sap has been used as a treatment..I am curious/ suspect there may be other ways to get the active ingredient out of the plant.. certainly if the plant dies the active ingredient is still in the plant...( maybe the ingredient becomes ineffective by I doubt it) just my thoughts on it. I have a dozen or so dried up plants in the back yard to experiment with...
At this time I am trying a few other protocols ( vitamin c) ( the caffeine and red clover mix that a poster spoke of having remakable results with)...for me...so far.. not near the good results of petty spurge or blood root paste |
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Thomas Haugen
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Posted - 10/05/2012 : 09:10:32
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Anivoc, I too found this weed growing without care and just a little water now and then, plus part sun and afternoon shade. In Spokane, WA. The most mature plants are turning yellow and finally have started throwing seeds. Since there is plenty I am offering still green plants to registered users of this site, paying it forward.
I'm not certain about collecting seeds, will know soon if my seed collecting method is working. I don't quite understand why people have to order seeds from Australia when the seeds are readily available for collecting here in The US.
An anonymous person in Florida sent me seeds but I had the usual problems germinating and growing up the seedlings. Finally got one mature plant. |
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2012 : 09:30:53
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Bright1...what an awesome report back..
Don't know if you did but Pictures are SOOOOO helpful in giving others coming here the proof and thus the courage to try something other than what their doctors will tell them to do..I am noticing more derms are coming to be more open to other methods but there are still many that will actually use scare tactics (Very possibly in sincere concern that you would be making a mistake using these alternative) to get you not to try these other ways to treat.
I know it's weird putting pictures of an ugly wound on your face on the internet..If it wasn't for the brave people before me, I probably would have never tried the bloodroot paste that I used. Because of that I took pictures and posted mine and have been thanked hundreds of times since for doing so.
If you did take pictures post them.. |
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bright1
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Posted - 10/05/2012 : 10:33:39
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| Hi Anivoc, sorry I didn't take any pictures. I wish I had now but at the time I was too scared to even look in the mirror much less commit what I saw to permanent record. It looked horrific but fortunately I was treating in the summer and a pair of oversized sunglasses covered it nicely. |
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BBirdz
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Posted - 10/11/2012 : 15:15:03
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I haven't posted in a while- been taking a break after unsuccessfully treating with petty spurge two times. I now have a window to try again with either PS (or Vit. C ) and wondered if I could get some feedback from those with experience with PS.
I started with a small raised bump, just above and touching the edge of my lip. It bled a couple times when washing my face so I was pretty sure it was basel cell though never biopsied. I originally treated it a year ago this past August with PS for 3 days. It seemed to go textbook, excavating a small hole which I then let heal, eventually leaving a flat pink, then white scar that was bigger than the original lesion.
However within months it began to grow a raised surface again. So I treated again this past February. This time I was much more aggressive and went a full 10 days, one or two applications a day. Again, I left the area covered with a bandaid during treatment so it never developed a scab. There was a huge reaction like last time but covering an even bigger area into my lip, with more pus and draining. However, it never seemed to go very deep. After 10 days I let the spot heal over and scab. But when the scab fell off, unlike last time, the bump was still there, unchanged. Since then it is slowly growing but is no larger than the first time I treated-about 3mm. I saw my dermatologist in July and he thinks it's a basel cell and wants to biopsy it in December if it gets larger. (I was glad but surprised as all my other derms have been extremely aggressive and would have done it right then.)
So my questions are:
Has anyone else had PS not work in this way?
I was having other health issues and recovering from surgery the last time which may have affected my immune system. Could this have been the problem?
Should I have left the wound uncovered during treatment? (like the instructions are with Picata?) I'm squeemish about removing scabs during treatment so that's why I went the other route.
Any other ideas or input welcome. I don't have a lot of time to try both PS and Vit. C and I don't know if trying the PS again makes sense. I have also considered bloodroot but I'm scared about trying that for the first time on my face, so close to the lip. I'm worried that this may have spread deeper or into my lip after all this time and I've not found much info about lip tissue being treated with either PS or black salve.
THANKS for any insights anyone can offer!!! |
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dolfan
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Posted - 11/05/2012 : 18:19:11
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| I just used PS for the first time and had the same reaction as BBirdz. The bump was like a pimple and stung when I put orange oil on it, so I assumed that it was a new BC. In the middle of the night, the pain and pus that was coming out woke me up. The next day the pus continued and now I'm afraid to put any more on it. I don't know what to do now, the spot has doubled in size and has a small blister it the middle of it. I need advice also |
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Thomas Haugen
94 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2012 : 21:02:04
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I recently used PS for the first time with a similar reaction. I do not have to appear in public so appearance was not a concern. Even so, it was difficult to clean off the wounds every day and re-apply the PS once a day. I did so for 3 days and got good results. My face was a mess with the wounds, redness and swelling but it killed all but my oldest BCs, some being 20 years old. I believe I might have gotten complete results if I had re-applied twice a day to the open wounds as others have recommended.
I plan to do another course of PS twice a day for 3 days on the remaining BCs.
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Jilly
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Posted - 11/05/2012 : 23:16:13
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Hi there,
What I did was apply once a day in the morning and leave on until the night. I did NOT sleep with it on for fear it may rub off in my eyes. After the 4th day the immuno response kicked in. I of course thought I had a massive infection. The pain was an intense throbbing which I took as my signal to stop applying. It was just too painful. I was also pretty freaked out that I thought it might be infected so I applied antibiotic ointment and burn cream (for 2nd degree burns silverdeen or something like that) at night. It cleared up pretty quick. I then did reapplications every six weeks for a total of 3 or 4 more times following the same protocol. On the 4th day of applying the PS the tumor did fall off leaving a oozing large area which I thought to be infected though it wasnt. Hope that helps. quote:
Originally posted by dolfan
I just used PS for the first time and had the same reaction as BBirdz. The bump was like a pimple and stung when I put orange oil on it, so I assumed that it was a new BC. In the middle of the night, the pain and pus that was coming out woke me up. The next day the pus continued and now I'm afraid to put any more on it. I don't know what to do now, the spot has doubled in size and has a small blister it the middle of it. I need advice also
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sunni
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Posted - 11/08/2012 : 06:09:16
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Originally posted by Thomas Haugen
I also hope to soon have seeds to send to those who need them.
Tom
Hi Tom,
How can I contact you about the seeds?
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Jilly
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Posted - 11/08/2012 : 13:37:58
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Hi there,
I have seeds if you need them.
Cheers,
Jilly
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Originally posted by sunni
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Originally posted by Thomas Haugen
I also hope to soon have seeds to send to those who need them.
Tom
Hi Tom,
How can I contact you about the seeds?
Thanks
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Mr Pig
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Posted - 11/12/2012 : 16:54:21
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| HI there, I just wanted to tell you my story, I have a BCC that I have had on my nose for many years approx 15 had it looked at by several DRs, as it kept scabbing up not that you could ever see it much as it was kind of clear and flaky and would leave a very small red pin dot when it came off, But the Drs never told me it was a BCC It was my reasearch. Anyway I tried the PS and straight away it reddend up like sunburn I applied it x2 a day for 3 - 4 days and it scabbed up and eventually came off, ( hated going to work like that lol) and hey it went for the first time in many years went for about two months and now its come back so I am now trying round two. I welcome your comments. :) |
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Mr Pig
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Posted - 11/12/2012 : 16:56:39
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| By the way It grows like a weed here, very easy to find. |
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rhall85286
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Posted - 02/20/2013 : 22:09:54
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Originally posted by janagain
I wanted to give my take on growing Petty Spurge, as some have indicated trouble getting it to germinate/grow. I initially got some seeds from a very nice person on this site and couldn't get them to germinate at all. So I bought them from the Aussie website. I live in the Phoenix area where it is very hot in the summer. I have a north facing patio where I started the seeds last summer when it was VERY hot--over 110 degrees for weeks. The seeds came up, I watered them daily and with some benign neglect they prospered. I haven't had a bcc to use them on, but offered to try to get rid of a wart on the toe of a friend which was the size of a small pea! He had this growth for years. After three or four applications he went for a pedicure and when it was rubbed with a file, the wart completely fell off. Gone! The plants continue to thrive with little care, even though the temperatures are now in the 30s and my patio is getting no direct sunlight at all. So, the PS seems to grow with little effort in hot, cold, sunny, shady climate. The one thing I do is make sure the soil never completely dries out, and I amended the soil with the granule things that hold water. After six months, I have yet to see any flowers or seeds and am wondering why not....? I do not have a green thumb yet am living proof the PS can be grown with little effort.
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rhall85286
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Posted - 02/20/2013 : 22:19:06
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| I would like to know who in the Phoenix area is growing the Petty Spurge plant. I contacted the AZ extension service at the UofA but they have little or no experience with this weed. Is there a source of this plant in Arizona? |
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LindsayLondon
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Posted - 02/25/2013 : 08:24:09
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Hello,
I'm so encouraged to read about petty splurge. I've got a suspected bcc that's been there for over ten years, so surgery would be hideous. Consequently I want to try this first.
However, I'm in London and I can't find anyone in the Uk who sells the plant or the seeds. I know it's a common weed but I don't trust myself to just go out and identify it (plus I live in London, limited green spaces.)
Can someone help me please? I'd be so grateful. Is there anyone in the Uk who could mail me some seeds? I'd pay for the postage and be so so grateful! |
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LindsayLondon
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Posted - 02/28/2013 : 07:00:42
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Hello again.
So I'm scheduled for a biopsy on my chin for suspected bcc on the 5th. I'm so sure that it's bcc that I'm almost reluctant to go, as I'm collecting a petty spurge off a gardener friend on Friday and I'm tempted to just start treating it.
But I imagine this is the right thing to do, to get absolute confirmation from the doctors first?
Any opinions from those who have had biopsies? Has anyone just started treating without a biopsy?
Many thanks,
Lindsay |
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LindsayLondon
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Posted - 02/28/2013 : 07:49:56
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| By the way, I'm based in London, so if there are any UK sufferers who need help getting seeds, I should be able to help soon. I get my plant on Friday from my gardener friend, and assuming my non-green fingers don't kill it too quickly, I' will see what I can do with regards to harvesting seeds. This forum has certainly reassured me a lot, and am happy to help others. |
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llfrog
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Posted - 03/01/2013 : 21:36:25
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Hello Mike,
I know it has been a long time since you posted the offer for the seeds. If you still have some please let me know. I would like to get some from you. I live in East Tenn. So you can let me know what you have to have for them.
Thanks!
Bobby
My e-mail is b-mp@juno.com (Thanks Again)
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Originally posted by mikE1
Hi All:
Just to update eveyone on my Petty Surge results, my nose and forehead are just about cleared up. If anyone needs seeds, let me know. Also, you who have grown plants to maturity will notice the tiny flowers and seed pods that form. If you will put a large sheet of white cloth or paper under your pot, you can catch the tiny seeds which 'explode' from the pods at muturity. They are about 1/16 to 3/16 inch long, greyish and oblong - like a tiny watermelon. I have to use tweezers to pick them up. They have now seeded the floor of my greenhouse and plants are coming up everywhere. (It turns out this plant is not only a blessing for skin cancer - it's also a pest!)
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Brigid
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Posted - 03/02/2013 : 07:08:45
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Originally posted by BBirdz
I haven't posted in a while- been taking a break after unsuccessfully treating with petty spurge two times. I now have a window to try again with either PS (or Vit. C ) and wondered if I could get some feedback from those with experience with PS.
I started with a small raised bump, just above and touching the edge of my lip. It bled a couple times when washing my face so I was pretty sure it was basel cell though never biopsied. I originally treated it a year ago this past August with PS for 3 days. It seemed to go textbook, excavating a small hole which I then let heal, eventually leaving a flat pink, then white scar that was bigger than the original lesion.
However within months it began to grow a raised surface again. So I treated again this past February. This time I was much more aggressive and went a full 10 days, one or two applications a day. Again, I left the area covered with a bandaid during treatment so it never developed a scab. There was a huge reaction like last time but covering an even bigger area into my lip, with more pus and draining. However, it never seemed to go very deep. After 10 days I let the spot heal over and scab. But when the scab fell off, unlike last time, the bump was still there, unchanged. Since then it is slowly growing but is no larger than the first time I treated-about 3mm. I saw my dermatologist in July and he thinks it's a basel cell and wants to biopsy it in December if it gets larger. (I was glad but surprised as all my other derms have been extremely aggressive and would have done it right then.)
So my questions are:
Has anyone else had PS not work in this way?
I was having other health issues and recovering from surgery the last time which may have affected my immune system. Could this have been the problem?
Should I have left the wound uncovered during treatment? (like the instructions are with Picata?) I'm squeemish about removing scabs during treatment so that's why I went the other route.
Any other ideas or input welcome. I don't have a lot of time to try both PS and Vit. C and I don't know if trying the PS again makes sense. I have also considered bloodroot but I'm scared about trying that for the first time on my face, so close to the lip. I'm worried that this may have spread deeper or into my lip after all this time and I've not found much info about lip tissue being treated with either PS or black salve.
THANKS for any insights anyone can offer!!!
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Brigid
68 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2013 : 07:32:06
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I've treated 3 X with PS and have felt a little under the weather each time. Being weak from surgery and then using the PS might have taxed your system--you would have had fewer reserves to throw off the bcc. And I think the type that's called invasive BCC can come back. For that reason, I'm a believer in biopsies, although it may (or may not) be true that biopsies spread the cancer.
I feel sqeamish about pulling scabs off too. Wonder if there's a homeopathic remedy or herb for sqeamishness. Probably! (But many herbs take 6 weeks to work.) Also if you have burning pain from the PS, homeopathic belladonna from a health store helps. Maybe, less pain, less sqeamishness? In my experience so far (diagnosed about 6 years ago) building up immunity has helped to keep the cancer in check. And I apply topical coconut and neem oil when it flares up.
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Originally posted by Brigid
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Originally posted by BBirdz
I haven't posted in a while- been taking a break after unsuccessfully treating with petty spurge two times. I now have a window to try again with either PS (or Vit. C ) and wondered if I could get some feedback from those with experience with PS.
I started with a small raised bump, just above and touching the edge of my lip. It bled a couple times when washing my face so I was pretty sure it was basel cell though never biopsied. I originally treated it a year ago this past August with PS for 3 days. It seemed to go textbook, excavating a small hole which I then let heal, eventually leaving a flat pink, then white scar that was bigger than the original lesion.
However within months it began to grow a raised surface again. So I treated again this past February. This time I was much more aggressive and went a full 10 days, one or two applications a day. Again, I left the area covered with a bandaid during treatment so it never developed a scab. There was a huge reaction like last time but covering an even bigger area into my lip, with more pus and draining. However, it never seemed to go very deep. After 10 days I let the spot heal over and scab. But when the scab fell off, unlike last time, the bump was still there, unchanged. Since then it is slowly growing but is no larger than the first time I treated-about 3mm. I saw my dermatologist in July and he thinks it's a basel cell and wants to biopsy it in December if it gets larger. (I was glad but surprised as all my other derms have been extremely aggressive and would have done it right then.)
So my questions are:
Has anyone else had PS not work in this way?
I was having other health issues and recovering from surgery the last time which may have affected my immune system. Could this have been the problem?
Should I have left the wound uncovered during treatment? (like the instructions are with Picata?) I'm squeemish about removing scabs during treatment so that's why I went the other route.
Any other ideas or input welcome. I don't have a lot of time to try both PS and Vit. C and I don't know if trying the PS again makes sense. I have also considered bloodroot but I'm scared about trying that for the first time on my face, so close to the lip. I'm worried that this may have spread deeper or into my lip after all this time and I've not found much info about lip tissue being treated with either PS or black salve.
THANKS for any insights anyone can offer!!!
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susanc
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Posted - 03/12/2013 : 00:55:21
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I would like to say that I got some seeds, grew the seeds into plants, and I made my first application to a biopsied BCC that was returning after surgery.
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LindsayLondon
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Posted - 03/19/2013 : 08:31:02
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Hello. Writing to update on my progress.
My petty spurge plants are very small at the moment. I got a bit impatient so crushed up a vt C tablet and applied to my chin where the bcc is. The bcc is superficial, flaky and never-healing and about 9mm by 2mm.
Anyway, the next day it had turned black, was about 20% larger than before, weeping liquid that was a bit black/red, my chin had swollen up, and my left 'jowl' had swollen too. The swelling had even pushed my lower lip up on one side, so that i looked a bit fed up (which was pretty accurate.) The gland under my chin was sore as well.
I got most of the black off my chin, which wasn't easy because it was flush with my face, it wasn't sticking out like a scab. I put vt C on again and it stung like mad and turned black again.
So then I decided to use my tiny petty spurge plants, as the stinging and ever-growing black area was getting alarming and I thought petty spurge might sting less.
The area was now about as big as a ten pence piece (about 2cm diameter) and the inflammation was very circular, although the black area was more raggedy shaped amd ovoid. I got off as much of the black as possible (which wasn't at all like a scab, as what I pulled off felt like slightly harder skin, sort of like toughened elastic, so I believe it was necrotic flesh), and I applied a tiny amount of petty spurge sap. Literally the size of about four pin-heads of sap. I then put the leaves on the wound and a bandage over the top. At this point, I was still swollen, and the area was tender and weeping.
So, the petty spurge certainly didn't hurt, not like the vit C. When I took the bandage off the next day, the top half of the circle had turned white and was very wet looking. The lower area was scabbed, like a normal wound.
i pulled off the scab and the white area was attached, so that came with it. This was a bit sore, amd a couple of small areas bled slightly. the flesh underneath is pink raw with loads of little white heads visible. Absolutely loads of them, covering almost the whole of the 10 pence piece sized area. Does anyone know what these are?
The raw area has a couple of slight dents where it looks like the vit C / sap has eaten away, but at the moment it's not very deep. I'm surprised, as my bcc is over ten years old. I applied more tiny amounts of sap and covered with a bandaid.
I'm halfway through day 4 of treatment (2 days of vit C, two days of sap), so I wonder if it'll go deeper.
Can anyone give me their opinion on the white dots, and why there are so many of them? Also any advice on what I can expect next?
Thanks everyone, this forum has been a godsend. |
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ruby
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Posted - 03/19/2013 : 16:34:25
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My diagnosed basal cell looked like white dots when I took the scab off.
So its one good guess that you are seeing the BCC.
When I use orange oil on BCC, it does sting alot and gets very red. I would let it alone for some days before adding another treatment to give it time to do some work.
Also, back a few years, I had a spot on my face biopsied and confirmed as BCC. It started to grow back after the biopsy and got raised and pearl- like, so I hit it with Petty Spurge which made it go away- now going on 2.5 years. I mentioned to another dermatologist that I had some BCC but did a natural treatment. He pressed me on what I did and I finally told him about the Petty Spurge. He insisted that it was the biopsy that got rid of it. I just didn't bother to argue. |
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LindsayLondon
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Posted - 03/20/2013 : 03:57:34
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Thanks for the quick reply Ruby. Where was your bcc? How long did it take fr the white dots to disappear?
I just wondered if they might be pores that get filled with pjs because of the healing process. But you think it's the bcc itself? Should I pick them out, do you think? |
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ruby
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Posted - 03/22/2013 : 11:57:13
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As far as I understand, those white dots are the bcc itself. Not filled pores. The bcc has roots, so you are just seeing the visible top part. The oetty spurge will aim to follow the bcc all the way down. I didn't get all of mine on the first round of treatment, But its OK to wait a while and try again (meaning if you see something growing back). Or as this forum has educated me, you can apply orange oil and the skin will light up showing the white areas where there is bcc present.
I really wouldn't pick at anything there. |
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kate
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Posted - 04/22/2013 : 06:53:48
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| HI. HAVING READ THE FORUM i DECIDED TO HAVE A GO TREATING A SMALL PATCH OF SUPERFICIAL BCC ON MY LOWER LEG. I TREATED IT WITH SAP FOR 3 DAYS. LEAVING IT UNCOVERED (BUT WAS WEARING TROUSERS). THE AREA BECAME RED BUT WAS NOT NOTICEABLY PAINFUL. IT DID NOT BLISTER OR BLEED OR SEEM TO REACT VERY STRONGLY. A VERY LIGHT SCAB THEN FORMED OVER THE AREA. 3 WEEKS LATER THE SCAB HAS COME AWAY BY THE LOOK OF IT, EXPOSING PINK SKIN UNDERNEATH THAT LOOKS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS THE SPOT BEFORE APPLYING THE SAP. ANY SUGGESTIONS? SHOULD I WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS? DO PEOPLE RE APPLY SAP TO THE SAME SPOT TWICE IF IT DOESNT WORK FIRST TIME? TRY A PLANT FROM ANOTHER AREA? OR GO TELL DOC THE STORY AND SEE WHAT THEY OFFER (I TURNED DOWN THE CHEMO BREAM OFFERED HAVING READ HORROR STORIES ON THE INTERNET ABOUT IT) I LIVE IN THE UK BUT INFACT USED SAP FROM A PLANT IN SPAIN WHILE ON A TRIP THERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ANY ADVICE / SUGGESTIONS! |
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Brigid
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Posted - 04/26/2013 : 06:21:12
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I also treated a spot on my leg. In the morning applied the sap by cutting a leaf right at the tiny stem that joins it to a small branch. I put that on the tip of a metal nail file and applied it to the leg. Then because trousers would have rubbed away and absorbed the sap that I want to stay on, I covered it with a bit of gauze and tape until the evening, then applied sap again and covered it again for the night. After about a week of this, the spot was gone and never came back. It took months for the pink skin to become the same color as the rest of my leg. Bt it did. You can re-apply the sap again, but I like to wait til the skin is healed to re-apply.
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Originally posted by kate
HI. HAVING READ THE FORUM i DECIDED TO HAVE A GO TREATING A SMALL PATCH OF SUPERFICIAL BCC ON MY LOWER LEG. I TREATED IT WITH SAP FOR 3 DAYS. LEAVING IT UNCOVERED (BUT WAS WEARING TROUSERS). THE AREA BECAME RED BUT WAS NOT NOTICEABLY PAINFUL. IT DID NOT BLISTER OR BLEED OR SEEM TO REACT VERY STRONGLY. A VERY LIGHT SCAB THEN FORMED OVER THE AREA. 3 WEEKS LATER THE SCAB HAS COME AWAY BY THE LOOK OF IT, EXPOSING PINK SKIN UNDERNEATH THAT LOOKS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS THE SPOT BEFORE APPLYING THE SAP. ANY SUGGESTIONS? SHOULD I WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS? DO PEOPLE RE APPLY SAP TO THE SAME SPOT TWICE IF IT DOESNT WORK FIRST TIME? TRY A PLANT FROM ANOTHER AREA? OR GO TELL DOC THE STORY AND SEE WHAT THEY OFFER (I TURNED DOWN THE CHEMO BREAM OFFERED HAVING READ HORROR STORIES ON THE INTERNET ABOUT IT) I LIVE IN THE UK BUT INFACT USED SAP FROM A PLANT IN SPAIN WHILE ON A TRIP THERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ANY ADVICE / SUGGESTIONS!
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mrosen
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Posted - 05/01/2013 : 22:19:33
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Originally posted by susanc
I would like to say that I got some seeds, grew the seeds into plants, and I made my first application to a biopsied BCC that was returning after surgery.
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mrosen
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Posted - 05/01/2013 : 22:22:01
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Originally posted by susanc
I would like to say that I got some seeds, grew the seeds into plants, and I made my first application to a biopsied BCC that was returning after surgery.
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mrosen
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Posted - 05/01/2013 : 22:55:27
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| Hi, Susan ...I am a new member and am grateful for all the info from so many people... I am dealing with Hypertrophic actinic keratosis and what looks like BCC (according to the derm doc)right next to my nose left side. Doc wants Mohs...not being a big surgery fan. And i dont see how they could find any borders without chopping into my nose..After reading postings on PS i ordered seeds but am concerened about the time frame to grow(no green thumb)plus i live in maryland which is headed for warm humid weather. It sounds like u got your seeds and things went smoothly. Did u get seeds from australia? Also,what part of the country do u live in(climate)did u grow indoors? Hows treatment going now? Thanks for any input its appreciated ...Mark |
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Thomas Haugen
94 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2013 : 23:43:23
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Mark, better than growing to look for weeds that will be growing in your neighborhood, wet shady areas more likely. I can send you some seeds from USA but it takes months for them to germinate and grow, maybe September before you can pick off them.
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mrosen
20 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2013 : 07:21:47
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Thanks for your response Tom and thank u for all the great info u have shared!! I went to the local big plant garden shop (with pics and info)to see if anyone was familiar with PS,and no luck...also spent some time calling around here.Not sure i will find any around here but will look today...Under some pressure from family to move forward (MOHS)as this has been going on for awhile... BE BACK LATER have to go now....THANKS again for your input....Markquote:
Originally posted by Thomas Haugen
Mark, better than growing to look for weeds that will be growing in your neighborhood, wet shady areas more likely. I can send you some seeds from USA but it takes months for them to germinate and grow, maybe September before you can pick off them.
Tom
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mrosen
20 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2013 : 14:24:12
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mrosen
20 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2013 : 15:30:24
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| Just got call from Derm and the biopsy is BCC...Guess i already new that but am still very upset. Its kind of ironic he called while i was out driving around everywhere looking for Petty Spurge. He said he is sending my file over to the MOHS clinic he recommended and wants me to call his office bk to confirm when my app. is. When he did the biopsy He told me if it came bk BCC i needed to get MOHS...Little history here: He biopsied this spot 2yrs ago which indicated Hypertrophic Actinic Keratosis(i was told a very deep keratosis/now i think there must have been BCC there also)and wanted to try MOHS or topical chemo cremes(i was afraid of the possible systemic issues)..I told him i was trying Curaderm(he wasnt interested).Did Curaderm for several weeks 8-12..This is a really hard place to treat(right up against my nose/left side around nostrel) with creme/tape...Thought i had cleared the area(obviously not). Anyway, can talk about BEC5 later...Sorry i am rambling here...guess i am venting or just upset...Pretty sure this Derm wont see me anymore if i dont follow his recommendations.In the recent past i lost both partents(not cancer related).But in the last few years 2 sisters and one brother got cancer(one terminal)none were skin cancers...I guess this is why i am getting extra pressure from family...I need to find a faster way to get PS? |
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TIsmalltown
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Posted - 05/02/2013 : 15:35:50
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Is there no one in Maryland who can connect with you mrosen?
I looked all over for petty spurge and literally found it growing in my backyard a few years ago ... I am in upstate NY. But I think it is too early for it to grow here. I am guessing another month or so, it's a very tender plant. |
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mrosen
20 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2013 : 15:50:10
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Did u use any plants u found to treat(BCCorSCC,Keratosis)and were u succesful.. I do need to do some more looking on this site to see if there is anyone relativily close that might have many plants? Thanks for your thoughts...Mark quote:
Originally posted by TIsmalltown
Is there no one in Maryland who can connect with you mrosen?
I looked all over for petty spurge and literally found it growing in my backyard a few years ago ... I am in upstate NY. But I think it is too early for it to grow here. I am guessing another month or so, it's a very tender plant.
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willwill
9 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2013 : 17:36:03
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I have petty spurge plants and seedlings. I wintered them over in a terrarium and they have reseeded themselves like crazy.
As soon as the weather warms a bit I will be giving them their own raised bed garden.
I live about 20 miles north of NYC. Please contact me if you need some, I am happy to share, free of charge. (I am fond of all things Irish, Guinness, Jamesons, etc, hint hint). |
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mrosen
20 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2013 : 19:48:07
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Hey, WillWill i sent some info and my contact info thru your email address...Markquote:
Originally posted by willwill
I have petty spurge plants and seedlings. I wintered them over in a terrarium and they have reseeded themselves like crazy.
As soon as the weather warms a bit I will be giving them their own raised bed garden.
I live about 20 miles north of NYC. Please contact me if you need some, I am happy to share, free of charge. (I am fond of all things Irish, Guinness, Jamesons, etc, hint hint).
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Thomas Haugen
94 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2013 : 23:17:02
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Willwill, please let us know your results with transplanting. I have a theory that cultivated (non-wild) plants don't like to be transplanted so that may be the reason they often languish at about 2" to 4" tall for many months. I'm starting my seeds in 10" tall pots so they won't need to be transplanted or disturbed.
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willwill
9 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2013 : 03:03:34
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Willwill, please let us know your results with transplanting. I have a theory that cultivated (non-wild) plants don't like to be transplanted so that may be the reason they often languish at about 2" to 4" tall for many months. I'm starting my seeds in 10" tall pots so they won't need to be transplanted or disturbed.
Hmmm, hadn't heard that before. That would be a shame, I have hundreds of them. Will post transplanting results. |
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mrosen
20 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2013 : 12:02:16
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| Does anyone know of anyone who was biopsied and diagnosed with BCC then treated with Petty Spurge (PS)and biopsied to check results? |
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Thomas Haugen
94 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2013 : 21:08:22
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| Mark, not me, but think about it. Maybe your doc has a better method to biopsy, but several of mine have done biopsies, mostly by surgically removing tissue (is that a duh?) Therefore, if the petty spurge works and your skin heals up with only a red area and maybe a minor depression where the cancer cells died, why would you let a doctor cut up that area to see if anything remains? I got rid of several lesions with spurge and seven months later the skin is like it never happened, a doc would have a hard time telling that anything was there. So a doc would have no indications to warrant a biopsy. |
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mrosen
20 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2013 : 11:00:42
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dfi...if your still out can u update us your treatment areas as more time has past...Thanks Markquote:
Originally posted by dfi
News flash!!! LEO Pharma which acquired Peplin Biotech several months ago has just obtained FDA approval to market a new product called Picato. The active ingredient in this product is Ingenol Mebutate which is the same ingredient found in the sap of the petty spurge weed. The product should be out by late March. Unfortunately, they only got approval of the product as a quick and effective treatment for actinic keratosis and not for superficial basal cell or squamous cell skin cancers for which we all know petty spurge successfully treats as well. Picato comes in two strengths 0.015% Ingenol Mebutate for facial application and 0.05% for other body areas. Time will tell to see if any brave dermatologists will write prescriptions for the higher strength Picato and tell their patients to try it on their facial basal or squamous cell cancers. At the very least the FDA approval is a start and it validates the effectiveness that most people in this forum (including myself) have experienced using the sap from the Petty Spurge weed. Here is the link to the announcement:
http://www.biospace.com/news_story.aspx?StoryID=247271&full=1
Thanks to this forum and especially the entries by SoFl and Waverider for giving me the courage and knowledge to try the sap from the Petty Spurge weed which I serendipitously had been removing from my back yard the day before I discovered the forum. Fortunately, I had not removed all of it and am now treating it like the gold that it is. Starting in March of 2011, I successfully treated both a diagnosed basal cell carcinoma on my forehead and a squamous cell carcinoma on my scalp both of which my doctor wanted to remove via MOHS surgery. Had I had the MOHS surgery on my forehead, it would have easily left a scar the size of a US quarter. Within 4 months of using the petty spurge sap (1 application daily for 3 days on my forehead and 1 application daily for 5 days on my scalp), you could not tell there was ever any cancer. The skin erupted pretty violently in both locations, but now looks and feels completely normal.
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mrosen
20 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2013 : 11:29:02
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Hi,thanks for response!My question could have been stated diferrently!! As i tried something 2 years ago that didnt work its understandable that i am getting more pressure (wife,family)on the MOHS...Interesting post by JILLY on 2/9/12 about info she got from Australian Doc who was part of Peplin trials... that there are 3 types of Carcinomas that require MOHS where nothing will work. She thinks he said that the BCC subtypes that need to be operated on are Morpheic/Infiltrating and Micronodular,Perineural Invasion? After reading this i called derm bk to get more specific analysis of my BCC biopsy report and they said it just says BCC? He said they will find out and tell me when i have the MOHS? Pretty frustating... Mark
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Originally posted by Thomas Haugen
Mark, not me, but think about it. Maybe your doc has a better method to biopsy, but several of mine have done biopsies, mostly by surgically removing tissue (is that a duh?) Therefore, if the petty spurge works and your skin heals up with only a red area and maybe a minor depression where the cancer cells died, why would you let a doctor cut up that area to see if anything remains? I got rid of several lesions with spurge and seven months later the skin is like it never happened, a doc would have a hard time telling that anything was there. So a doc would have no indications to warrant a biopsy.
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2013 : 12:38:13
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Mrosen,
You bring up a VERY overlooked and important topic....There are many different types of basal cell carcinoma...and that is scary..
I went into this thinking there were three types of skin cancer. This was from my dermatologist years ago...Basal, Squamous and Melanoma with Basal being the least likely to be deadly..Well recently I have been learning there are several different types of Basal Cell Carcinoma...and that probably holds true for Squamous and Melanoma..
After reading your post I did a quick google and came up with this on Basal cell ... There are 12 different types! Yikes... No wonder some of the things that work for some people don't work for others...I have never had a biopsy that detailed what type of basal cell carcinoma I had...I am curious to see what your lab report comes back with...
Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Typically found on the head, neck, and torso basal-cell carcinomas, small, solid elevations of the skin that grow into eroding, crusting, and bleeding craters, are considered malignant diseases because they can cause significant destruction of affected body parts, especially nerves, disfigurement, and invade surrounding tissues, however, basal-cell carcinomas rarely metastasize or kill the patient, and fair-skinned people with a family history of the disease are at a much higher risk for contracting basal-cell carcinoma than non-fair-skinned people are.
Aberrant Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Basal-cell carcinoma can be divided into twelve types including Aberrant basal-cell carcinoma, a cutaneous condition that generally occurs in the axilla, armpits, nipples, scrotum, vulva, and perineum, and may lack any apparant carcinogenic factors.
Nodular Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Nodular basal-cell carcinoma, the Classic example of the disease, is a cutaneous condition that occurs most commonly on the head, neck, and other sun-exposed body areas.
Cystic Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Cystic basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with dome-shaped, blue-gray cystic nodules.
Pore-Like Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Pore-like basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with carcinomas that look like enlarged pores.
Polypoid Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Polypoid basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with polyp-like structures generally found on the head or neck.
Cicatrical Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Cicatrical basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition that is aggressive with unique histologic and clinical appearances.
Fibroepithelioma of Pinkus:
Fibroepithelioma of Pinkus is a cutaneous condition commonly found on the patient's lower back.
Infiltrative Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Infiltrative basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with aggressive deep infiltration of tissues.
Rodent Ulcer:
Also known as Jacobi's Ulcer this nodular basal-cell carcinoma is characterized by central necrosis.
Micronodular Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Micronodular basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with micronodular growth patterns.
Pigmented Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Pigmented basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with increased melanization.
Superficial Basal-Cell Carcinoma:
Superficial basal-cell carcinoma is a cutaneous condition with erythematous red patches that commonly occurs on the patient's trunk.
Basal-Cell Carcinoma Groups:
Basal-cell carcinomas can be subdivided into three main groups including Infiltrative Basal-Cell Carcinomas that contain micronodular and morphea forms of the disease, Superficial Basal-Cell Carcinomas that are the only forms of the disease effectively treated with topical chemotherapies, and Nodular Basal-Cell Carcinomas that cover all other forms of the disease and may have multiple morphologic features of many variants of basal-cell carcinomas in the same tumor.
Causes:
Typically presenting as a shiny, pearly nodule, a red patch, thickened skin, or scar tissue basal-cell carcinoma is caused by mutations in the cell's DNA that leads to the formation of molecular lesions known as thymine or cytosine dimers that make skin cells reproduce rapidly and continue growing, instead of being pushed to the surface of the skin by newly formed skin cells, and dying like they normally would. Other possible causes of basal-cell carcinoma include ultraviolet radiation from sunlight or tanning beds, commercial tanning lamps, exposure to various toxic substances, genetic mutations in the protein patched homolog-one gene that inhibits the hedgehog signaling pathway from providing information to embryotic cells on how to properly develop, and Smoothened-G protein-coupled receptor genes that help prevent abnormalities of physiological developments. Additionally, radiation therapy treatments and immune suppression therapies may also cause the disease.
Symptoms:
The symptoms of basal-cell carcinoma may include such things as sores that do not heal or repeatedly bleed, waxy white bumps with blood vessels in or around them, a reddish patch that may itch, hurt, crust, or have no discomfort at all, a smooth elevated growth with a rolled border and an indented center, a pearly, transluscent, red, pink, white, black, brown, or tan nodule, and yellow, white, or waxy scar-like areas on the skin that have poorly defined borders.
Diagnosis:
Basal-cell carcinomas may be diagnosed through such means as a family history of the disease, physical examinations, and skin biopsies performed under local anesthesia.
Treatment Options:
Based on the location of the tumor, the size of the tumor, the age of the patient, and other contributing factors, cryosurgery with a temperature probe and cryotherapy instruments that typically produce a very successful cure rate, repeated electrodesiccation and curettage that may include up to five cycles, photodynamic therapy with the application of photosensitizers such as methyl aminolevulinate, immunotherapy using euphorbia peplus, or imiquimod cream, for the treatment of superficial basal-cell carcinomas, radiation therapy to eradicate the disease through internal brachytherapy or radiotherapy, chemotherapy with such medications as 5-flurouracil, microscopically-controlled Mohs surgery that produces up to a 99 percent cure rate of primary basal-cell carcinomas, Johns surgery that may remove several layers of skin until there are no signs of the cancer left, and surgeries with frozen section histologies, or parrafin-implanted fixed tissue pathologies, are available treatment options for basal-cell carcinomas.
Risk Factors:
Common risk factors for basal-cell carcinomas include long term daily exposure to the sun, having had several severe sunburns early in life, family members with a history of the disease, having many moles on the patient's body, overexposure to x-rays or radiation, red or blonde hair, freckled skin, light-colored skin, and gray, green, or blue eyes.
Prognosis:
The progosis for basal-cell carcinoma typically depends on how early the disease was diagnosed, and patients with the ailment should receive regularly scheduled check-ups, and perform monthly self-examinations, to ensure the cancer has not returned.
Sources:
This Article was compiled from several websites that provide much more information about basal-cell carcinoma including:
http://.www.cancercenter.com/basal-cell-carcinoma/basal-cell-carcinoma-symptoms.cfm
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/basal-cell-carcinoma/DS00925/DSECTION=causes
http://www.healthscout.com/ency/1/199/main.html
http://www.basalcellmohs.com/basal_cell_3.html
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medicineplus/article/000824.htm |
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mrosen
20 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2013 : 14:38:02
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| anivoc, Thanks for info...greatly appreciated...Pretty scary stuff and i used a different word then Yikes! Superficial Basal Cell Carcinoma is the only one listed where Euphorbia Peplus is indicated...? The Australian Doc(from the Peplin trial) that talked to Jilly mentioned those 3 that wouldnt work with PS and would need MOHS...does that mean all those others would(i dont think so?)...theres so many. Theres no way of Knowing what kind of BCC people who post here and were succesful(unless indicated) have? Some of the posts on this forum that looked succesful(i hope they still are) using PS werent just superfiscial,atleast according to the discriptions of the twelve? Very frustating for sure... anivoc,you mentioned you wanted to see my BCC lab report,did u mean from the biopsy i already had or if get MOHS? Mark |
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mrosen
20 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2013 : 15:16:06
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| anivoc...i should have read info u sent more closely. The part: Basal Cell Carsinoma Groups talks about the 3 subtypes which corosponds with Jilly info...Mark |
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2013 : 20:41:29
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Mrosen...I was a referring to what the Doc told you..that he would find out what type you had before the Mohs surgery..
I wonder how many dermatologist actually know all of the varieties and sub species..
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mrosen
20 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2013 : 09:19:03
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| anivoc...Actually let me clarify, the derm doc said my biopsy report just says BCC and when i go for the MOHS they will find out what kind it is? I am going to go to derms office monday to get report anyway and call lab directly to see what info they have? anivoc..you had some MOHS done? Around nose area? Thanks for info Mark |
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mrosen
20 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2013 : 12:49:48
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anivoc, i wanted to let u know i was able to pick up lab report from DErms office today...Diagnosis: SKIN BIOPSY,Left Nasolabial Fold- Basal Cell Carsinoma...thats all it says? There is no BCC type listed. I tried calling the lab directly but they refered me back to DErm Doc. So in terms of finding out if i have one of the BCC subtypes that the PEPLIN TRIAL doc mentioned Petty Spurge wouldnt work on ...I dont know? Maybe the trials were set up and conducted to market a product for only superfiscial issues at this point? People are using the sap directly here and some for longer or more frequently with some success on what assume are not all superfiscial BCC but go deeper? Anyones thoughts on this would be appreciated...Thanks Mrosen quote:
Originally posted by mrosen
anivoc...Actually let me clarify, the derm doc said my biopsy report just says BCC and when i go for the MOHS they will find out what kind it is? I am going to go to derms office monday to get report anyway and call lab directly to see what info they have? anivoc..you had some MOHS done? Around nose area? Thanks for info Mark
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redman9
1 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2013 : 13:44:16
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Just found forum thread today. Joined up. Have used PS (found after much googling) found growing in mother's backyard by the ton, in Petaluma, CA. I live in Hollywood. I have not found it locally ...yet. I brought back a large shallow pot that I packed full of mature PS plants on my last visit to see my mom. I have used the sap on quadrants of my face. One section at a time. I heal very quickly and one week is all it takes from application to new skin. Maybe 8 days... I LOVE this plant! I have LOTS of ruined skin from living in Mexico for 8 years, young and dumb, without any sunscreen etc. I am of Irish descent. 'Nuff said. My plants have now gone to seed, turning yellow, getting gangly, etc. I will attempt to repot with some of the same soil and see if I can get them to regrow here in the LA heat/summer. Guess I'll snap some pics to help others as I am always so appreciative when others do so.
Note: Some of my worst areas bubbled up a lot, and had whitish raised "spots" or odd little shaped areas. I can only guess that these areas were the most cancerous as they reacted the most and took the longest to heal, revealing much deeper damage than the surrounding skin, which seemed to be just "turniing over" like a skin peel. Anyway, I have done left cheek, left side above that, left half of forehead, and am on third day and application on right side of forehead. My plants are about sapless now so I will have to wait to continue. I plan on doing my neck, shoulders, and forearms, as sap permits. I also just bought 90 seeds from Beautanicals. Why not? Will keep posting as time and updates occur.
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mrosen
20 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2013 : 11:37:40
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| Just following up on some of my previous posts wondering if anyone out there knows of anyone succesfully using PS on Basal Cell Carcinoma that was a more infiltrative type? I noticed that svanip had success and his was multifocal superfiscial BCC,My BCC area looks different and covers a larger area maybe the size of a nickle where there is AK and now BCC.Also i believe Waverider has had success on superfiscial BCC?Its hard to get info as some have left forum and i dont know what outcomes were and weather they new if they were treating a more invasive BCC with the PS? MY BCC area is very angry right now i think all this stress and anxiety is making it worse...i need to start moving forward on some type of treatment and may start VITC paste(dmso?)at least i think it may hold BCC area till i can get some PS or get MOHS (which i am trying to avoid)The iodine looks interesting also...My BCC goes around my left nasolabial fold which is under left nostral(and against)and wraps around left side. Mrosen |
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D23
3 Posts |
Posted - 05/19/2013 : 12:41:43
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quote:
Originally posted by willwill
I have petty spurge plants and seedlings. I wintered them over in a terrarium and they have reseeded themselves like crazy.
As soon as the weather warms a bit I will be giving them their own raised bed garden.
I live about 20 miles north of NYC. Please contact me if you need some, I am happy to share, free of charge. (I am fond of all things Irish, Guinness, Jamesons, etc, hint hint).
I would love to get some Petty Spurge seed if still available.
Please let me know.
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D23
3 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2013 : 03:33:48
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I guess willwill only has plants.
Would anyone be able to send me some Petty Spurge seed?
Will send SASE right away.
Can also send some herb / garden seed along with if you like.
Please let me know.
Thanks
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Thomas Haugen
94 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2013 : 09:04:43
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To get seeds, email me through this forum (click on my name).
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D23
3 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2013 : 09:55:00
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quote:
Originally posted by Thomas Haugen
To get seeds, email me through this forum (click on my name).
Tom
Hey Tom,
That was actually the first thing I tried, but there is no contact link in your profile.
"My Contact Info
No info specified..."
So hopefully you can click on the contact link in my profile.
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Thomas Haugen
94 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2013 : 10:37:36
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Sorry, now set to receive email.
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trueson
44 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2013 : 08:12:09
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I have just started using Petty Spurge on a Nodular BCC on the top edge of my lower eyelid. After 4 weeks of using a 5% iodine solution and then 2 weeks using a 28% solution with disappointing results I thought it was time to try something else.
10 hours after my first application of Petty Spurge sap the whole lower eyelid area swelled up. I was very careful to only apply the sap to the very lowest edge of the suspect area in order to keep it away from the eye.
It is now day 2 and the eye looks frightening with the previously described "peperonie" skin, and areas of pus have formed. In addition the BCC itself has become painful to the touch. Three pics below show before starting iodine, after 6 weeks of iodine and on day 2 of Petty Spurge.
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trueson
44 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2013 : 08:19:42
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| I forgot to mention that I have been experiencing a slight nausea since starting the Petty Spurge, as if my stomach has been upset and with frequent burping. I think I read earlier in this thread of someone else experiencing this too. |
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mrosen
20 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2013 : 08:42:43
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Trueson...Great pics thanks for posting this...it cetainly helps others trumendously..Is the 3rd pic the petty spurge?I am also very interested in that you said you have had some naseau or stomach issues? Please continue to update...Thanks !quote:
Originally posted by trueson
I forgot to mention that I have been experiencing a slight nausea since starting the Petty Spurge, as if my stomach has been upset and with frequent burping. I think I read earlier in this thread of someone else experiencing this too.
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trueson
44 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2013 : 04:45:35
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Yes third pic is Petty Spurge.
I applied another dose last night and it has really gone to work today! It is getting a bit painful actually, like a small bullant bit me on the eyelid. Its even jumped over to the upper eyelid, probably while I was sleeping and the eyelids were together. As long as it does what it is supposed to I am not complaining though. It has travelled right up to the edge of the lower eyelid now. Amazing stuff!
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mrosen
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Posted - 06/06/2013 : 05:50:05
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trueson...your probably right about eyelids touching...PLEASE BE CAREFUL. Are u done treating with sap? Also, are u still experiencing naseau and stomach(or other)issues in regards to sap use? Thanks for the continued updates. quote:
Originally posted by trueson
Yes third pic is Petty Spurge.
I applied another dose last night and it has really gone to work today! It is getting a bit painful actually, like a small bullant bit me on the eyelid. Its even jumped over to the upper eyelid, probably while I was sleeping and the eyelids were together. As long as it does what it is supposed to I am not complaining though. It has travelled right up to the edge of the lower eyelid now. Amazing stuff!
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trueson
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Posted - 06/06/2013 : 06:11:55
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Thanks mrosen-yes I will be careful. I think I'll stop any further applications now and see how it progresses. It's so vigorous at the moment that I don't think it needs any further encouragement.
The nausea is most intense just after I apply the sap. But it's not really bad at all, it's just that I am aware it's there. At the moment I can feel it a tiny bit if I focus but nothing to worry about. |
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trueson
44 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 07:56:05
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A strange thing happened today. For the last few years I have noticed that when I go out to walk in a cold wind my right eye starts tearing up from the cold. My left eye stays dry.
Well today I went for a walk and after a while my right eye started to tear up again and it just kept on going and going and going. And it started to sting like crazy. I sat down and covered my eye to protect it but nothing would help so I had to walk home and it continued to tear up and sting for the next 3 1/2 hours. Very strange and painful. It felt like the eye was being irritated which caused it to tear up but the tears themselves rather than soothe the irritation, only caused further irritation-like my tears themselves were irritating.
Its settled down alot but still not perfect 6 hours later. I have no idea why this happened but I wonder if the Petty Spurge has found it's way into the tear ducts and 'polluted' them. Or, even more scarey, maybe the PS found some cancer in my tear ducts. Or maybe my eye went through some sort of healing crisis.
Pic below is from day four (sorry it's scarey). The PS seems to have found cancer in my top eyelid where I had no idea I had it. If I had gone ahead with having it cut out it looks like alot of it would have been left behind and required further surgery in the near future. Also it has gone all the way to the very top edge of my lower eyelid. All in all it's travelled about 1 inch from where I applied it.
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anivoc
668 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 15:56:40
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Trueson...
Brave soldier dude... I am curious about the upper eye lid....It really doesn't make sense to me that you would have skin cancer there. IF I am looking at the pictures right this is in an area where the fold is and the part that is white is in the middle of that fold...That area would get very little UV exposure unless you fell asleep in the sun and got a really bad burn...guess that could have happened but that area seems suspicious to me...
I am wondering if while you are asleep you might be rubbing your eyes because they hurt or itch and transferring the petty spurge up to the upper eye lid...
The next question is will petty spurge have an effect on your healthy skin....
The only way to know is to try it on an area that never gets sun and for sure is healthy skin...I usually do this on my upper thigh..
I would suggest seeing if petty spurge give you a reaction on healthy skin...
You could just be more sensitive to it than others...kind of like poison oak effects some people and has no effect on others ( like me)
Just hate seeing you going through the pain if all it is is a allergic reaction. If you do get a reaction on the known healthy skin area I would cover the area on the lower eyelid at night so you can't spread it around...
Just my thoughts on your situation...take it for what it's worth...
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trueson
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 17:19:08
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Hi Anivoc, thanks for your thoughts. You make a good point. I have assumed that anywhere that pus has formed is a pocket of cancer, and believe from previous posts that PS seeks out cancer areas and attacks them which I thought would cause pus. Perhaps I am wrong to assume this but I thought this is how PS works. An area of pus has also now formed right on the edge of my lower eyelid at the little 'V' in my eyelid which is the top edge of the BCC. I guess the end result will tell me if this is correct.
Re the possibility I am having an alergic reaction: this is possible but when I first brought my plant home I applied a drop of sap to an area on my face between my eye and my ear, an area my doctor said was pre-cancerous. I left it overnight and there was absolutely no reaction-I couldn't even see where I had applied it. This gave me the green light to try it on my eyelid.
After I first applied the PS to an area at the lowest edge of what is now the main scab, the PS quickly travelled 'North' towards my eye and created a big area of pus just under my eye at the exact place of the BCC and under it but nowhere else. It could have travelled 'South' or 'East' or 'West' but it made a bee-line for my eye. This has led me to believe that it 'seeks out' cancerous tissue.
Your other point about why I would have cancer on my top eyelid: good call - I can only think that as a child and teenager I would lie in the sun for hours with my eyes closed, sometimes on the flat tin roof of our house and received many burns that way as my skin is fair. Maybe this was enough to produce cancer in my later years, I don't know (my doctor believes this is so). My eye is normally not so puffy and my top eyelid would have got a fair amount of sun this way. But I would be happy if this is not so.
I agree that the PS was probably transfered to my top eyelid while I was sleeping by being in contact with my lower eyelid or maybe by me rubbing my eye.
By the way all tearing up from my right eye has now stopped but I won't be taking any more walks in the cool evening air any time soon! :) |
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willwill
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 18:43:57
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| It is my understanding that Petty Spurge can cause blindness if you get it in your eye. I would be very careful about getiing it anywhere near there. |
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trueson
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 22:20:27
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Thanks Willwill. Yes I have been very careful not to get any of the actual sap into my eye and thats why I applied it 1/2 inch or so from the eye. It has travelled itself inside the skin up to the edge of my eye and so far (apart from the strange experience yesterday)does not seem to have irritated the eye.
I am heartened by the earlier posts by SoFl who also used it carefully near his/her eye without ill effect. In the future I would use no more than one part-drop of sap per day on my face as this seems to be plenty to get a reaction happening. |
Edited by - trueson on 06/08/2013 22:23:23 |
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trueson
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Posted - 06/11/2013 : 17:16:38
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Just a quick update: my eyelid is healing nicely and I am hopeful that the PS has found and addressed all of the BCC but I won't know for sure for a few more days. No more problems with the eye itself being effected by the PS either. Will post again soon.
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anivoc
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Posted - 06/11/2013 : 19:12:19
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Looking REAL promising   
Fingers crossed! |
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casunlover
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Posted - 06/16/2013 : 18:45:55
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How do I get undamaged petty spurge seeds, in the mail? Is there some place I could order where I'd have a better chance? Thanks |
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trueson
44 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2013 : 08:24:29
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Thanks anivoc. Unfortunately the Petty Spurge hasn't really worked. The face is all healed up now and the PS has done some good but has not removed the whole of the BCC on the very edge of the eyelid.
There seems to be two parts to my BCC-the outer Nodular part and the inner BCC which is white and pearl-like and like a hard lump. The PS has done a reasonable job on the outer but hasn't touched the inner.
I'm running out of options now. I will do another round of PS but I have also booked in to see an Anthroposophical doctor with a view to getting some Iscador or misletoe injections which create a fever in the body which helps to attack the cancer. I have also booked in for the eyelid surgery but will cancel or postpone this if something else works. I might also see a homeopath. It's late here now so I will post some pictures later. |
Edited by - trueson on 06/18/2013 08:25:57 |
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anivoc
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Posted - 06/18/2013 : 08:39:11
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Hi Trueson
Sorry to hear the bad news....
It's coincidental that we have two people treating eyelids at the same time..
Nunga48's experience is worth looking at as an option....gutsy..scary... but an option
Bloodroot is NOT for the faint of heart but....
here's a link check it out for consideration.....
http://topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1573 |
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trueson
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Posted - 06/19/2013 : 04:11:57
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| thanks for the information anivoc. Much appreciated! I had lost touch with what others were doing on the forum being absorbed by my own trials. I have just posted a question over there. Thanks again. |
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Petty Spurge Herb sap for skin cancers
