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mikE1
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 Posted - 08/29/2009 : 18:34:33
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 Have good news to report. Was finally able to germinate 3x of the seeds, (thanks to an angel on this forum who sent me some of her last seeds). The little seedlings are about an inch high. The only way I have been able to germinate them is to put some between layers of wet paper towel in a sandwich bag, (to keep them from drying out) and leaving in refrigerator. After about a week, the seed splits open and a tiny white root peeked out. Then I transferred them to peat pots with "Jiffy Mix" starting mix (a king of potting soil) and put them in a protected spot outdoors. (Not in direct sun.) Seems to work pretty good. Anxiously awaiting the day when they are mature enough to provide some sap. If these will grow to maturity, may be able to get some seeds and make them available to whomever needs them. |
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mikE1
USA
10 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2009 : 18:38:12
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| Forgot to mention: If anyone on this forum wants to mail seeds. be sure to either out them in a box or use padded mailer like with bubble wrap. Reason is, the postal authorities have automated mail handling machinery that passes envelopes through rollers. The result is, (if you just send seeds in a flat envelope) seeds aresmashed to a pulp. Don't say I didn't warn you - happened to me three different times! |
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pollopool
Australia
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marsha
USA
75 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2009 : 01:42:34
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| SOFI, I am still using curaderm. I took a short break, after 2 years. Then started up again. I have three open lesions on my nose. Basically the whole top of my nose and a spot on the side, witch may or may not be starting to heal. The tip of my nose and the side are fairly deep. my question to you is if it was your nose would you start using petty spurge at this stage? |
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dlm
New Zealand
12 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2009 : 02:15:50
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I have been apply Milkweed (Petty Spurge / Euphorbia peplus) to my nose and to two moles above my lip that I was meant to have burnt off. A student of mine mentioned the Milkweed so I thought I would try it. I applied it to two small areas on my nose and was amazed that it spread to nearly the whole of my nose! My nose swelled up to almost double the size and then I had puss type bubbles all over my nose. The same sort of thing happened to above my lip although it didn't spread like the nose one. I have felt really unwell of and on, and I can only imagine it is all the kill off. I have taken photos as a reference. It is day 7 now and I am still in a bit of a mess. I can not go out in public and lucky for me I am on holiday. My husband who started a couple of moles a day before me has just had one scab fall off. I am applying the Milkweed as suggested above, every day, even over the scabs. I find, funny enough, that after a shower they all really sting. Its like severe sunburn. I am really looking forward to the results. A couple of times I have thought..what have I done? ...but I am keeping with it and will keep taking photos as reference.
Can someone tell me..once the scab falls off..do you keep applying the Milkweed or at that point, you just let it heal itself?
I certainly have a new respect for Milkweed. It now is welcome to grow where ever it likes in our garden |
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RidgebackDogs
USA
103 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2009 : 00:31:08
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Hi dim!
Check further back in this thread there are posts from SoFl who talks about how he (she?) used the petty spurge - also there was someone from OZ that SoFl was in contact with about how to use it (by email on this forum i assume).
Any pix you could post of your treatment with Petty Spurge could only be a tremendous help to others! Thanks for your post and your contribution. Hope the info above helps - you will have to go back to June posts and a little further or even use the search engine on the forum.
Good luck! you are in my prayers!
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anivoc
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Posted - 10/04/2009 : 19:32:19
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Hi DLM
I have to say that it seems milkweed causes a very similar reaction to bloodroot paste. If it were me, based on this assumption ( and that is all it is) after the scab fell off I would let the area heal up and watch to see if it seems OK. If it seemed that there is still problems I'd reapply the next time I was able to stay home for a few weeks again.
I have found a company in Arizona called Phytomedx that is selling a diluted to 5% solution of milkweed sap. They are selling it for dealing with genital warts, actinic keratosis and ringworm.
Rather than hijack this thread I am going to start a new one with my results to date.
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thanks01
USA
141 Posts |
Posted - 10/04/2009 : 20:15:27
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Anivoc,
Thanks for this. Can you post us the information on how to get this petty spurge solution so that we can try some? I am one of the ones who ordered seeds from Australia and had poor luck in growing them. As MiKe1 pointed out somewhere, the seeds appear to have suffered from radiation going through customs. My plants grew very poorly for a WEED and I consider this season lost on that count. However, I am interested to try this spurge. Thx. |
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dlm
New Zealand
12 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2009 : 01:55:44
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Ok...no laughing at these photos! It took 3 weeks from my first application of milkweed till I was completely healed up. My nose and upper lip are still slightly pink(just over 3 weeks) but I must say I am very impressed with the results.
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 /Final results Day 20 |
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dlm
New Zealand
12 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2009 : 01:57:54
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I am now using aloe vera straight from the plant on my nose and upper lip while they are still abit pink and sensitive.
I used the Milkweed (Euphorbia Peplus) once a day until the scabs came off. Do not pick at the scabs or be tempted to take them off as you will scar. |
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dan
440 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2009 : 01:29:31
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| Well done, dlm! There ought to be an animated fireworks gif for these results. Thanks, it was great that you included the photos. |
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dlm
New Zealand
12 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2009 : 02:55:49
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| Thanks:) My nose is looking amazing now. I am now applying to dodgy moles on my legs and they have started to react already. But the moles on my hands haven't reacted..so I am guessing that the milkweed only reacts on precancerous or cancerous cells..or perhaps abnormal skin cells. As it doesn't react on some spots and they can be right next door to each other. |
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anivoc
286 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2009 : 19:08:25
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Woo Hoo!
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dlm
New Zealand
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RidgebackDogs
USA
103 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2009 : 15:51:05
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DLM,
Wahoooooo!
Thank you so very, very much for the pix!!!!
Did you cover the areas with a bandage of any kind or tape? How did you keep your hair out it???
Did you wash it off at any time after applying it - like at bedtime?
Thanks for your info. It is SO VERY appreciated with much gratitude!!!! |
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RidgebackDogs
USA
103 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2009 : 15:58:29
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Anivoc,
Thanks for the fireworks!!! 
Nice touch for dlm! |
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dlm
New Zealand
12 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2009 : 02:57:10
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Did you cover the areas with a bandage of any kind or tape? How did you keep your hair out it???
Did you wash it off at any time after applying it - like at bedtime?
Hi there..no I didn't cover with any bandage...I did try once but they just didn't work with my nose or my upper lip...odd shapes..
I have short hair so it didn't come into contact with the areas.
I didn't purposely wash it off ever...normally I would apply it after a shower.
I did make sure I applied it every day, even when it was scabbing, only stopping once the scabs came off.
Good luck. Diana |
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RidgebackDogs
USA
103 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2009 : 22:05:38
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Diana Hi!
Thanks for the info. Did the sap dry out and not tend to go anywhere else on your face? Did you wash down area where you applied it like SoFl did (sink, counter top etc?). Again, thanks for sharing the pix and the info!!!
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dlm
New Zealand
12 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2009 : 00:59:47
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| Yes the sap does dry out or it is absorbed into the mole or skin, usually straight away...but sometimes it would take up to a minute to absorb. I always applied it in the bathroon and I must admit didn't wash down the area. You do have to be careful when you snap a bit off the plant as the milky sap can flick off the plant...so watch your eyes. I always had my glasses on when doing this. I am now doing my legs, one mole isn't doing much but another one is alot like the ones above my lips. When we go away, we put the milkweed with its roots in a plastic bag with a little water for the roots to sit in. It lasts for quite a few days doing this. |
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clearlake
USA
15 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2009 : 13:27:12
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| Hello first time poster - I purchased some seeds from the url on this list and have been growing some petty spurge. I have them going in 2 different windowsills to see which one does better. They are both thriving. Wondering when I will be able to use sap/leaves. They are 3 weeks old now/approx. I would post a photo, which I have prepared per instructions, but there is no "paper clip" icon at the bottom of the edit window next to the text "Insert an Image File". I'm on a mac, not a pc. Using Safari and Firefox. Please advise. Clearlake |
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thanks01
USA
141 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2009 : 16:15:48
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Clearlake,
My seeds did so poorly. 3 of 4 plants that got started are still alive, indoors now in NE, and only about two inches tall, after the whole summer. I got a couple of seedpods and am hoping for stronger plants next year. I grew them in ordinary potting soil, where I thought they would do well. My thinking is that possible radiation during passing through customs from Australia weakened the seeds and stock. That's why I hope for next year. However, I'm glad to hear that someone is succeeding with this. You give us hope. |
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dlm
New Zealand
12 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2009 : 21:09:18
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| Hi Clearlake, You can use the petty surge as soon as it is big enough. The stems should look reasonably fleshy. You need to make sure the plant gets plenty of water to assist in the fleshy stems. The only trouble is, you want enough of the plant to last you for your whole treatement. I was going through quite abit with mine. We have it growing as a weed in the garden so we have plenty of it. Instead of pulling it out, we now protect and bless it :) |
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clearlake
USA
15 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2009 : 11:11:54
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Thanks for the feedback DIM and THANKS1
I've uploaded my little plant photos online so you can see how they are doing (there is a spoon in the photo to show scale). These are two sets of seedlings in 2 different windowsills.
http://www.ptecwebdesigners.com/esimmons/petty_spurge/petty_spurge.html
Also, I followed the advice on sprouting the seeds from the info on this site as well as referencing a good article titled "How to Grow Plants From Seed" that I found online - but the url is too long to copy here, just google it. Clearlake |
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dan
440 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2009 : 21:22:18
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| Hi Clearlake, thanks for noticing the "insert an image file" paperclip thing was broken (and for being resourceful in posting the link to the pictures!). I think the inline image mechanism is working again. I feel bad, it must have been broken for quite a while. |
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dlm
New Zealand
12 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 01:53:01
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| Hi Clearlake, I would wait until the plants are much bigger. With alot more stems. But they are looking great. |
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clearlake
USA
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 17:44:51
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| Thanks DIM - that's exactly what I needed to know. I have been looking closer at the photos of mature petty spurge online (having never seen it in person) and the plants do seem MUCH bigger. The stalks are thick. I'm trying to be patient, but I'm just kind of desperate to be hitting some spots on my face, similar to yours on upper lip. I've been using bloodroot in the meantime, and you know how much fun that is . . . Clearlake |
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janagain
USA
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Posted - 11/16/2009 : 16:13:07
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| All you who have sprouted petty spurge seeds, could you please tell me what the seeds look like: size, shape, color? I have a US contact who may be able to get seeds from plants in his yard but wants to be sure what he is gathering is petty spurge. Does anybody know if the plant changes color in the fall? If I am successful in getting the plant to grow, I will be happy to share the bounty. I have not been able to find seeds anywhere in the US, which I find hard to believe since it is a weed! Please, growers, help! |
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SoFl
USA
61 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 12:03:36
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Originally posted by janagain
All you who have sprouted petty spurge seeds, could you please tell me what the seeds look like: size, shape, color? I have a US contact who may be able to get seeds from plants in his yard but wants to be sure what he is gathering is petty spurge. Does anybody know if the plant changes color in the fall? If I am successful in getting the plant to grow, I will be happy to share the bounty. I have not been able to find seeds anywhere in the US, which I find hard to believe since it is a weed! Please, growers, help!
The seeds are extremely small, on the order of 1mm or smaller. You can get the seeds in Australia from a link posted earlier in the thread and they aren't expensive.
There are a lot of very similar looking weeds. Petty Spurge propagates by the seed pods exploding when they reach a certain temperature and one plant makes a whole lot of seeds. Save yourself some aggravation and make sure you're getting the real thing.
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SoFl
USA
61 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 12:07:37
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SoFl here just logging in to say that although it's only been a 3-6 months since I treated a total of 6 areas with Petty Spurge, lip (confirmed SCC and almost 20 years of pain, issues and treatments), shoulder, leg (2 spots), face (confirmed BCC) and Arm (confirmed SCC) I have had no recurrence and I don't think I'm going to. As far as I'm concerned, this is THE cure. After years of going to the dermatologist every 3 months, I have no use for him now unless I see something I think is melanoma (already had one of those too).
I am currently always keeping at least one live plant growing all the time, and I have made an extract by taking live leaves and their stems and putting them in distilled water then crushing the plant material. I keep a reserve of that in the refrigerator. It seems that is almost as strong as the pure white sap but not quite. It seems to keep well in the refrigerator, I have some now about 6 months old.
Best of luck to everyone trying this weed (be careful not to get it in your eye).
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SoFl
USA
61 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 12:18:17
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Originally posted by marsha
SOFI, I am still using curaderm. I took a short break, after 2 years. Then started up again. I have three open lesions on my nose. Basically the whole top of my nose and a spot on the side, witch may or may not be starting to heal. The tip of my nose and the side are fairly deep. my question to you is if it was your nose would you start using petty spurge at this stage?
All I can say is that it worked wonders wherever I used it. The Petty Spurge seems to go directly for the cancer and leave the other tissue pretty much alone. The most severe reaction I had was on my forehead on a large BCC which was only partially removed by biopsy. When I used the PS, it ate away the skin in an irregular area which was not apparent prior to treatment. It knew where to go. Now it's been around 6 months and I have no visible scar, whereas I did have a biopsy scar prior to the treatment, so I'm thrilled with the result.
Also, the recommended treatment (MOHS surgery) I doubt would have been effective due to the irregular shape. In other words, there was one area where they would have had a free margin and yet more cancer a few mm away.
Also, for me, it works very fast. It's done doing it's work in 5 days or less when you use the pure white sap and it doesn't take much, probably about 1/5 the size of a water droplet.
Since I considered my use of it experimenting on my own body, I'm not in a position to say what you should or shouldn't do. I can say I was hesitant to use it on my lip but it was painless compared to efudex and appears to have permanently cured what was an ongoing problem for years. I had used everything on my lip, efudex, solaraze, imoquad, everything.
In the future I'll use it anywhere. I'm not scared of it any more and know what to expect. |
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SoFl
USA
61 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 12:26:47
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Originally posted by clearlake
Hello first time poster - I purchased some seeds from the url on this list and have been growing some petty spurge. I have them going in 2 different windowsills to see which one does better. They are both thriving. Wondering when I will be able to use sap/leaves. They are 3 weeks old now/approx. I would post a photo, which I have prepared per instructions, but there is no "paper clip" icon at the bottom of the edit window next to the text "Insert an Image File". I'm on a mac, not a pc. Using Safari and Firefox. Please advise. Clearlake
You can use it at any time but if you start clipping off a really small plant, there is only so much plant. One thing I found is that if you hit it with a little bit of miracle gro liquid plant food in water, that can cause a major growth spike and really kick the plant into gear. Without that I have had some that stay in dwarf mode(2[3 inches high). Also, cool weather (40-60 degrees) causes them to grow and hot weather makes them want to stay dwarves. You will get the best growth in partial sun 50-60 or so degrees and using the plant food.
To directly answer your question, here is what I do (my evolved approach).
I use a stainless steel flat blade dental tool that is clean and dry.
Clip a leaf and a little bit of the milky sap will come out of the leaf and out of the stem. Touch the dental tool to each to get a small amount of sap, then apply it from that directly to the area you want to treat. You can also use a small artists paintbrush to get it off the dental tool. It DOES NOT take a lot of the sap. For an area 1/4 inch round, I would estimate that it takes about 1/5 the size of a water droplet of the pure sap per treatment. I have treated either once or twice a day depending on the area. |
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SoFl
USA
61 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2009 : 12:35:41
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Originally posted by dlm
I have been apply Milkweed (Petty Spurge / Euphorbia peplus) to my nose and to two moles above my lip that I was meant to have burnt off. A student of mine mentioned the Milkweed so I thought I would try it. I applied it to two small areas on my nose and was amazed that it spread to nearly the whole of my nose! My nose swelled up to almost double the size and then I had puss type bubbles all over my nose. The same sort of thing happened to above my lip although it didn't spread like the nose one. I have felt really unwell of and on, and I can only imagine it is all the kill off. I have taken photos as a reference. It is day 7 now and I am still in a bit of a mess. I can not go out in public and lucky for me I am on holiday. My husband who started a couple of moles a day before me has just had one scab fall off. I am applying the Milkweed as suggested above, every day, even over the scabs. I find, funny enough, that after a shower they all really sting. Its like severe sunburn. I am really looking forward to the results. A couple of times I have thought..what have I done? ...but I am keeping with it and will keep taking photos as reference.
Can someone tell me..once the scab falls off..do you keep applying the Milkweed or at that point, you just let it heal itself?
I certainly have a new respect for Milkweed. It now is welcome to grow where ever it likes in our garden
Just to clarify, here in the US, there is an entirely different plant called milkweed. This is NOT petty Spurge (Euphorbia peplus). What they call milkweed in the US is completely unrelated to Petty Spurge.
So for anyone in the US, just be aware of this. This confused me for a while when I was getting into it. |
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mikE1
USA
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Posted - 11/29/2009 : 20:07:42
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Hi All:
Just an update on my efforts to grow petty spurge. A lady on this board sent me some seeds after I failed in several attempts to get good seed thru the post. I now have two large plants which are both putting out seed. Also,there are numerous small seedlings growing in the soil under the plants where the seeds have fallen. As soon as I have a supply of seed, I'll be happy to send a few to anyone who would like to try them. These seeds are good and will germinate. Because the postal people run envelopes thu rollers which crush the seeds, it is necessary to mail in small box.(Now that I have a supply, I am going to try the treatment for myself.) Also, if anyone wants to postitively identify the plant and seed, let me know and I'll post photographs. |
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joybell
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Posted - 12/08/2009 : 23:33:34
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Hi
Firstly thanks to all of you for putting this info here on the web. I too am waiting for the Peplin product to be made available but the last info from the company was that it will be at least 2011 before we can obtain it. In the meantime, there are many of us that will develop skin cancers.
I have used petty spurge on myself for over 10 years now and have used it on many different areas the most recent being my inside elbow ie the crook of my arm, my jaw, arm and leg. I want to say it is the most efficient plant for getting rid of skin problems.
Yes it can blister but I have always taken this as meaning that it is attacking the potential skin cells that are precancerous as if you put it on skin generally, it doesn't react. It only reacts where there are 'bad' cells.
It can be a scary experience but so is having surgery. I have found that generally it clears within 10-14 days and it is scar free. Not only that, the cancer doesn't seem to come back in that area. I have had one repeat under my eye (yes I have put it near the eye socket but not in the eye!) and I always wash my hands as if you rub your eyes then it is potentially nasty.
I have taken a couple of images this week to show what happens as I think this might help.
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joybell
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Posted - 12/08/2009 : 23:38:14
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I'll try and get back in a couple of days when it's all clear to show what happens after 10-14 days.
I wish I had taken shots of the one on my arm as it was awesome ..... very scary indeed but I didn't. I would encourage some of you who are thinking of trying petty spurge to take some photos to show people what to expect.
It will help them through the process I am sure.
Great plant though! Amazing results but not for the faint hearted.
Joybell
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joybell
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Posted - 12/08/2009 : 23:43:42
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Hi
After scabs come off, don't worry about applying the petty spurge anymore. The cancer is all clear.
Just do it again when you find another suspicious spot.
Put some of your photos up so others can see.
Also perhaps you are using Petty Spurge and not Milkweed which is a different plan. I'd be interested to see a photo of the weed you're using.
Joybell
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Originally posted by dlm
I have been apply Milkweed (Petty Spurge / Euphorbia peplus) to my nose and to two moles above my lip that I was meant to have burnt off. A student of mine mentioned the Milkweed so I thought I would try it. I applied it to two small areas on my nose and was amazed that it spread to nearly the whole of my nose! My nose swelled up to almost double the size and then I had puss type bubbles all over my nose. The same sort of thing happened to above my lip although it didn't spread like the nose one. I have felt really unwell of and on, and I can only imagine it is all the kill off. I have taken photos as a reference. It is day 7 now and I am still in a bit of a mess. I can not go out in public and lucky for me I am on holiday. My husband who started a couple of moles a day before me has just had one scab fall off. I am applying the Milkweed as suggested above, every day, even over the scabs. I find, funny enough, that after a shower they all really sting. Its like severe sunburn. I am really looking forward to the results. A couple of times I have thought..what have I done? ...but I am keeping with it and will keep taking photos as reference.
Can someone tell me..once the scab falls off..do you keep applying the Milkweed or at that point, you just let it heal itself?
I certainly have a new respect for Milkweed. It now is welcome to grow where ever it likes in our garden
Just to clarify, here in the US, there is an entirely different plant called milkweed. This is NOT petty Spurge (Euphorbia peplus). What they call milkweed in the US is completely unrelated to Petty Spurge.
So for anyone in the US, just be aware of this. This confused me for a while when I was getting into it.
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clearlake
USA
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 11:16:19
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Questions for Joybell:
I have questions regarding the application of the petty spurge.
Are you using just sap or a combo of sap and crushed leaves as per Sofi?
I have some small plants and I'm testing on my arm using small pinhead size sap and crushed leaves mixed with distilled water. I don't have access to unlimited plants.
Do you apply every day?
How much do you apply? How long do you leave it on?
When you wash it off do you put antibiotic cream or anything on it?
How does it react with deeper or more serious bccs/sccs?
Any info on details of what you've noticed would be helpful as I'm trying it right now on my arm. |
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SoFl
USA
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 13:23:02
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I have attempted to upload a photo of my latest treatment. This was a raised hard lump between the bridge of my nose and my eye about 1/8 inch in diameter and recently it developed a smaller twin about a mm from the original site that would occasionally bleed and scab over. I had this area frozen twice at the dermatologists office and both times it came back. This has been growing for a period of about 10 years and I think it was a slow growing basil cell based on having BCC before.
I have been hesitant to treat this area since it is so close to my eye, but I figured at this point I was looking at an expensive and maybe disfiguring surgery to excise it.
So, after washing and drying the area thoroughly, I applied an amount of sap roughly equivalent to a grain of sand, using one of those pointed rubber dental tools. I extracted the sap onto a flat blade, then touched the tip of the dental tool to the sap, then touched the dental tool to the treatment area in the morning on day 1.
In the evening of day one the area was swollen but no pain. I was very careful to keep the area dry all day and not let any near my eye. I showered off in the evening and used soap and water and let it run for a long time with my eyes closed to wash off any PS.
By the next morning (day 2) two areas (the two hard lumps) were liquified into a yellow goo and I had two pits instead of the two lumps. I thoroughly cleaned the area and applied two sand grain sized amounts of sap to the area and spread it around the pits to make sure it found everything to be found in the area.
This picture was taken on the morning of day three. The center of the treatment area is a small deep pit where the lesion used to be. I applied a third treatment after this picture was taken, just to make sure it got it all, but based on the look of it, it took care of the whole thing by day 2 and possibly on day 1. It looks better on day three than it did after day 1 and 2 even though I treated it again today on the third day.
So I am now finished treating it. Again, I was hesitant to use it so close to my eye but the alternative of surgery in this area didn't seem like a good one. Based on how it looks right now, I am confident that it got it all. Basically, after day one it had turned both hard lumps into a banana like paste and ate rapidly and deeply into those areas.
So I will post a follow up picture after it heals, but I am very confident that this resolved my problem. The main pit it ate was very deep for this thin skin so close to the eye. I have had no eye symptoms at all, but there was quite a bit of swelling around the treated area on the morning of day 2.
I don't recommend that anyone try this so close to the eye. I was excruciatingly careful.
The most interesting thing about this treatment is that the amount of sap I used was so small, and the huge result I had from it. The sap seemed to migrate throught the area about 3/8 inch in diameter and was very selective in eating two pits out (and a smaller third pit) while leaving the rest of the treatment area irritated but undamaged. There has been no pain at all.
Day 3, last day of treatment
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Three days after last treatment, photo is a little blurry but it shows a nearly round pit with a scab on it, which is all that is left from the treatment. The two smaller pitted areas have already healed to the point where they don't show in the photo.
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SoFl
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 13:41:24
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Originally posted by clearlake
Questions for Joybell:
I have questions regarding the application of the petty spurge.
Are you using just sap or a combo of sap and crushed leaves as per Sofi?
I have some small plants and I'm testing on my arm using small pinhead size sap and crushed leaves mixed with distilled water. I don't have access to unlimited plants.
Do you apply every day?
How much do you apply? How long do you leave it on?
When you wash it off do you put antibiotic cream or anything on it?
How does it react with deeper or more serious bccs/sccs?
Any info on details of what you've noticed would be helpful as I'm trying it right now on my arm.
I'll take a crack at this if you don't mind.
I have settled on a method of once or twice a day, morning and afternoon, and then a shower in the evening to wash it all off so it doesn't migrate anywhere I don't want it.
With deep lesions, it seems to go as deep as it needs to go to get it all. What I do is if it gets a scab by the second or third day, pull the scab off, wash out the pit, and treat again to make sure it gets it all the way to the bottom. In most cases I think it's done in three days but it depends on the area. I treat legs the longest followed by arms and torso, then anywhere on the face it seems to work very fast.
Also, if you cover the area fairly tightly with a band aid, this greatly enhances the potency, I think because it keeps the sap from drying out and in it's liquid active state. The sap seems to migrate very quickly (instantly) through the skin almost as if it has some sort of solvent in it.
I think the sap is the strongest but the crushed leaves are almost as strong so long as you don't have a dilute solution. My crushed leaf solution is mostly leaves.
Also, there is a variation in plants. The strongest plant I've used was a plant that was raised in a window sill and had to be propped up with a bamboo skewer. It was spindly and homely looking about 8 inches tall (not a full height plant), not healthy looking at all, with some seed pods but with dark green leaves. The sap in this plant is very, very strong compared to healthier looking plants with the more usual lighter green leaves. I'm going to post a picture of it later. |
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SoFl
USA
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Posted - 12/12/2009 : 14:02:05
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Pictures of an angry plant. This is the strongest plant I've encountered. It is being supported by a bamboo skewer because the stalk is too small and spindly to support the plant on it's own.
I had the pot inside a copper pot with no hole and the water built up inside the outer pot and soaked the soil for a couple of weeks. I think that has something to do with why the plant looks half diseased and angry.
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Grace2Go
USA
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Posted - 12/13/2009 : 08:48:56
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I just ordered a batch of the Euphorbia peplus seeds. I'm looking forward to getting a plant started at the first of the year.
Thanks for all the info and pics everyone has posted, it's been very helpful for deciding my next step in killing the bcc.
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clearlake
USA
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Posted - 12/15/2009 : 11:52:52
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Sofi maybe you can help me out. By the way, thanks much for the photos you posted.
I am posting a picture of my upper arm on day 9 of application of petty spurge sap/leaves concotion. The angle I took the photo is looking down at my own upper arm.
History: I treated a small spot about the size of a quarter a while ago with bloodroot paste. I didn't feel I got it all, and during treatment the whole area got so irritated, as if it was allergic to the bandaid. One time when I had a BC removed from my leg at the dermatologist it acted that same way on recovery. It turned out to have lots more cancer in the area, I know because I followed up with bloodroot. So anyway, I figure that's what is going on here with the arm, that the bloodroot treatment just stirred up more areas around the small spot that was itchy and bleeding a little.
The original spot is to the left of the big red blister, and is not very noticable now.
At the beginning of the petty spurge treatment (to the small spot), I noticed these areas near it becoming active, so I began to apply the spurge to a wider area. A few days ago, some of the areas merged into the large blister spot and then the next day started to bleed. Today it is healing over more.
The round spot that is closest to the camera seems to be reacting the way Sofi described, a pepperoni pizza type scab.
My questions are: I did not scab over quickly as per Sofi. I just want to ask Sofi if there's a chance this is all an allergic reaction to - the spurge? the tape/bandaid? Is my system just sluggish? If you can tell in the photo, the area is widening still with small red spots, as if I should treat them also. Any advice here? Is it possible to put too much of the spurge on, and if so, what happens?
Sorry for all the questions, this is my first experiment with petty spurge. See my photo next post. |
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clearlake
USA
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SoFl
USA
61 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2009 : 18:28:24
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quote:
Originally posted by clearlake
Sofi maybe you can help me out. By the way, thanks much for the photos you posted.
I am posting a picture of my upper arm on day 9 of application of petty spurge sap/leaves concotion. The angle I took the photo is looking down at my own upper arm.
History: I treated a small spot about the size of a quarter a while ago with bloodroot paste. I didn't feel I got it all, and during treatment the whole area got so irritated, as if it was allergic to the bandaid. One time when I had a BC removed from my leg at the dermatologist it acted that same way on recovery. It turned out to have lots more cancer in the area, I know because I followed up with bloodroot. So anyway, I figure that's what is going on here with the arm, that the bloodroot treatment just stirred up more areas around the small spot that was itchy and bleeding a little.
The original spot is to the left of the big red blister, and is not very noticable now.
At the beginning of the petty spurge treatment (to the small spot), I noticed these areas near it becoming active, so I began to apply the spurge to a wider area. A few days ago, some of the areas merged into the large blister spot and then the next day started to bleed. Today it is healing over more.
The round spot that is closest to the camera seems to be reacting the way Sofi described, a pepperoni pizza type scab.
My questions are: I did not scab over quickly as per Sofi. I just want to ask Sofi if there's a chance this is all an allergic reaction to - the spurge? the tape/bandaid? Is my system just sluggish? If you can tell in the photo, the area is widening still with small red spots, as if I should treat them also. Any advice here? Is it possible to put too much of the spurge on, and if so, what happens?
Sorry for all the questions, this is my first experiment with petty spurge. See my photo next post.
The largest area I have treated myself was a biopsied BCC which was about 1/4 inch in diameter. During that treatment, the PS did seem to agitate some skin in the surrounding area and I did the same thing, applied it to the larger area, maybe a quarter in size. It reacted on some of the area and didn't react on some, leaving me to believe that the actual cancer although not visible prior to the treatment was larger than I suspected and very irregular and discontinuous in shape.
I seem to have fast healing skin maybe because I have a fast metabolism, I don't know. As you can see from the pictures I've posted, with only 3 days after treatment from a small but deep lesion it's almost healed except for the smallest deepest part of the crater.
As to whether it's possible to put too much on, I don't know. Some people in this thread and in other places I've read about continue to treat until the area heals while under treatment. I have done that myself in 2 cases. There just became less and less of a reaction until I said enough. In fact, if you apply it to a bloody pit, it seems to act to stop the bleeding and the whole area looks neat and clean although pitted.
My thinking just based on my own trial and error is that if I'm still getting a reaction, there is still something there. I have never used it on an area visible as large as a quarter, but I would suspect that something that large could probably also be deep. I treated an area by my ankle that I didn't think was much of anything and the PS made a crater so deep I didn't even know my skin was that thick. It subsequently healed up with a little bit of scarring but nothing bad, it looks like the scars I have from chigger bites.
I have had bleeding during the treatment on every lesion I've used it on that had any depth to it. I always try to make sure to let it eat as deep as it wants to go because I don't want to cure everything except the deep cells only to have it return from a deep spot later. I believe this is one of the main differences between PS and other experimental treatments, the PS goes deep with enthusiasm into a lesion whereas other surface treatments may cause you to think you cured something only to have it come back. On me, the PS is very selective. It leaves good skin alone. It might get a little red and irritated, but that's it.
I am by no means a dermatologist, but I have done a lot of reading, and from my understanding skin cells migrate from the lowest layers up to the top and the whole process takes about 28 days. So if you don't go deep enough and the base cancer layer remains, about a month later it's going to be back at the surface again. I have also read cautions that you want to get those deep layers, because if you don't, when it returns it could be from an even deeper level.
Anyway, maybe someone else with some experience with PS can throw their two cents in, although I have a fair amount of experience with it now, I'm still learning how to used it most effectively myself.
I can say that I am very pleased with the results regarding scarring even after a deep bloody treatment. The only really visible scars I have are from being hacked up by the dermatologist (and some of those returned after his slash and burn). To date, none of my PS treatments have returned. |
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san1313
USA
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Posted - 01/01/2010 : 18:01:59
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First I want to thank everyone for their posts and pictures on this site, I have been living with skin cancer for a little over one year now and I have tried so many things to clear it up. I have been using baking soda for the past 6 months, and while it does keep it a bay, it does not kill the cancer. I have ordered the seeds from AUS. And I am hopeful the do not arrived crushed like mikE1 was. I just joined the board and tried to send him an Email but was not allowed (I wanted a backup for seeds) and he has offered and lives close by me (I am in Charlotte NC) mikE1, if you see this I would greatly appreciate a contact.
Thank you
Scott A. Neil
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Grace2Go
USA
50 Posts |
Posted - 01/01/2010 : 19:05:34
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My seeds came in and were in a padded envelope, so they are intact. I'm germinating a few next week to get started on growing the plants.
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Originally posted by san1313
First I want to thank everyone for their posts and pictures on this site, I have been living with skin cancer for a little over one year now and I have tried so many things to clear it up. I have been using baking soda for the past 6 months, and while it does keep it a bay, it does not kill the cancer. I have ordered the seeds from AUS. And I am hopeful the do not arrived crushed like mikE1 was. I just joined the board and tried to send him an Email but was not allowed (I wanted a backup for seeds) and he has offered and lives close by me (I am in Charlotte NC) mikE1, if you see this I would greatly appreciate a contact.
Thank you
Scott A. Neil
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gpz
Australia
4 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2010 : 22:10:24
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Hi everyone,
thank you to all who have provided their personal stories here regarding petty spurge. I have had a BCC on my right cheek cut out 3 years ago, which returned within 12 months. A second treatment via curette and local photodynamic therapy cleared it up, but the area seemed to turn red and shiny again after 12 months. I tried the vinegar/eggplant mix without much success, so I read with interest about peoples' success with PS. I received seeds from the Beautanicals website about 4 months ago and planted some. They were slow to grow and were struggling, so I gave some seeds to my parents to grow (they have very green thumbs! :) ). They produced 2 large plants in half the time that mine took and am very pleased with their efforts.
I have started to apply the PS as a crushed leaf liquid last night, and see how it goes. I will provide feedback as best as I can.
cheers,
George. |
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Mike
3 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2010 : 17:39:19
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SOFL,
I also live in SOFL...would love to get my hands on some petty spurge sap. Any chance you can sell some? |
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dan
440 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2010 : 00:50:02
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| san1313, I'm not looking to wreck the focus here on petty spurge, but I'm curious about what else besides baking soda that you tried and found not to work. |
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san1313
USA
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Posted - 01/08/2010 : 21:24:33
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I started with Bob Beck protocol (bought the equipment) but never used it, Ive been a smoker for 20 some years and you cannot smoke on that treatment. second was the Iodine.While I think it could work, it ate the skin from my nose so bad I could not continue (this works great for atheletes foot!!) I have also used VIT C and it worked about the same as the baking soda but the soda is easier to apply. I guess when I said I tried so many things, I probably should have said I have looked at so many things, I have only tried 3. There is alot on hype on the internet, and when I see something that interest me I try to find out as much as possible. When I came across topicalinfo and found the PS thread I felt really good about it, you know, like a gut feeling. It also helped that soo many people here have posted pics and results, and I promise I will do the same for the next person.
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Originally posted by dan
san1313, I'm not looking to wreck the focus here on petty spurge, but I'm curious about what else besides baking soda that you tried and found not to work.
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dlm
New Zealand
12 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2010 : 03:55:00
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| I have been having lots of fun attacking sunspots all over my face. I get lots of sheer horror looks if I go out in public which I try not to do as I now have spots all over my face. It has been interesting this time around as I have had a couple of areas that have spread over a small area but has just remained on the top layers. Generally when applied to sunspots they go down and deep, sometimes spreading but they go deep too. These ones on my cheek were quite weird. I was making the most of the holidays and have probably gone way over how many you should do at a time..but this should be about it now unless anything else pops up. We have a ton of milkweed, it is a shame i can't send it overseas. |
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ewittman
USA
3 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 18:16:59
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hey gpz, how did the experiment with PS turn out for you?
i've just received seeds myself and am going to plant soon. wanted to see how your test application went. |
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drbeckl2
96 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2010 : 01:44:48
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Hi,
I ran across some new info on a PROTOCOL from Australia on how to use petty spurge with chickweed herb, to treat bcc specicically. It is dated 1992.
you put the chickweed herb on first, for 5 days, to soften up the lesion & get it ready for the petty spurge to do it's work better.
This may be a significant advancement in curing skin cancer using petty spurge. It may make a big difference. Someone thot so.
I have no experience with it., myself.
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http://curezone.com/upload/Newsletter/Hypoglycemic_He/HYPONL9209.pdf
update 1-24-2010
this message has been post-empted by concerns over copywrite laws as applied to internet web page copying to this forum. Doing that could possibly cause a loss of revenue for the Google Corporation; a CIA front group that now appears to own about 75% of the internet spaces and forces annoying their advertisements down your throat. Aparently google can copy everyone's else's website and call it a cache, the wayback machine can copy everone's website and call it a archive, but somehow you & me can not copy stuff off of the internet to show each other. Please go to "screw google" search engine at http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm to help find the information that used to be here. That search engine mite help you keep google from tracking your internet searches. ... drbeckl
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drbeckl2
96 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2010 : 12:49:05
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Hi;
The petty spurge, (Euphorbia peplus), shown in photos on this thread is not the same plant as shown on another website, and used for skin cancer in Australia, by the skin expert Prof. Jim Aylward on this Australian website:
http://blogs.abc.net.au/queensland/2009/05/milkweed-and-sk.html#
update 1-24-2010
this message has been post-empted by concerns over copywrite laws as applied to internet web page copying to this forum. Doing that could possibly cause a loss of revenue for the Google Corporation; a CIA front group that now appears to own about 75% of the internet spaces and forces annoying their advertisements down your throat. Aparently google can copy everyone's else's website and call it a cache, the wayback machine can copy everone's website and call it a archive, but somehow you & me can not copy stuff off of the internet to show each other. Please go to "screw google" search engine at http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm to help find the information that used to be here. That search engine mite help you keep google from tracking your internet searches. ... drbeckl |
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gpz
Australia
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Posted - 01/22/2010 : 07:30:26
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Originally posted by ewittman
hey gpz, how did the experiment with PS turn out for you?
i've just received seeds myself and am going to plant soon. wanted to see how your test application went.
Hi ewittman,
I made 5 applications of PS to my cheek over a period of 9 days. The first was with crushed leaf, the rest were with sap. I found the best way to get a decent amount of sap is to tug gently on a large leaf connected to the main stem of a bushy plant. The leaf came away from the stem right at the base of the leaf, and a drop of sap oozed out of the stem which was about 1 - 1.5mm in diameter each time.
I let the sap drop onto my finger and then rubbed it over the suspect area. The area reacted very strongly on the second day (the first day of sap only application), and by the fourth day, I had an inflamed area of skin about 1.5 cm in diameter with 3 separate spots of pusy looking skin. Two of these spots were exactly where it looked like the BCC had returned, and a third spot which was the smallest, an area I could not see before the application of PS.
The three spots scabbed up after a few days and took another few days to come off. I did not pick them off so there was no bleeding in my case.
It is now 16 days following the first application, and I am still waiting for the redness of the two larger spots to go away before I can make a complete assessment of what has happened. I have a suspicion that I may have stopped the applications too early. If the redness does not go away, I will begin a second course of applications, targeting these spots only. The redness of the surrounding skin has gone and the skin looks normal.
I experienced no pain, just ichiness of the inflamed area.
Cheers.
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drbeckl2
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Posted - 01/22/2010 : 12:10:54
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group;
GPZ has used the petty spurge sap & reported that he had no pain, even tho the lesion got inflamed for several days, the area swelled,, & some flesh/skin died, crusted over.
In reading a few articles & message boards by people who used this stuff; I have not heard anyone bring up that the trearment was pain-full to them. they just didn't report any pain factor being involved. At first, when I saw the on-line photos of redness, swelling. scabs forming; I just assumed that the procedure was painfull. I just assumed that. I assumed it was probably the same level of pai as the hoxsey salves/bloodroot salves. I just assumed they were so glad it worked that they did not focus on any of the pain levels.
Now GPZ's post has made me stop and think. Maybe I assumed wrongly about the pain being there. Maybe none of the other people mentioned any pain being involved because ther was not any.
If this holds true for other users of petty spurge, then the petty spurge treatment would qualify as a KINDER, GENTLER skin cancer treatment, that I have been looking for.
I would like to see other people who have used the petty spurge sap comment on how much pain & irritation that the petty spurge treatment caused them.
I understand that the cashew nut hull oil treatment is also a KINDER, GENTLER, skin cancer therapy. This is a great advancement in natural home treatment of skin cancers if it does cure the cancers as advertised. |
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gpz
Australia
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Posted - 01/22/2010 : 16:33:08
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drbeckl2,
in response to your comments, I must add that my lesion was 2 very small visible areas of redness (returning BCC) on either side of the scar tissue from my previous treatments.
This may have played a large part in why I experienced no pain. I also experienced no swelling.
For others who have large lesions (like Sofl?), their experience may be totally different. I do not have any other suspect areas, so am not able to provide any further information for consideration.
Kind Regards. |
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Skyena
USA
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Posted - 01/22/2010 : 20:26:38
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After reading all your reviews on this plant and doing some research, I am quite excited. Have been battling skin cancer for yrs. now, even had some surgically removed to only come back with a vengence. I ordered some seeds tonight!! I'll be like everyone else starring at the plants everyday with the look of "GROW FASTER" |
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Skyena
USA
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Posted - 01/22/2010 : 20:52:07
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Sorry forgot wanted to ask a couple questions too.
Are those that are having wonderful results putting them on just new areas that are red and scaley? Or are some like mine about a quarter size that are scabby and bleed? One on my upper lip is horrible and becoming extremly painful.
Once they start to scab up with using the plant sap, what about showering and the scab coming off?
Also some are having not so good results in growing the plants, has anyone tried once a plant is dying trying to milk what sap they can out of it and saving it somehow? Maybe mixing it with some real Aloe or something in a airtight container. Just curious if anyone has tried preserving the the milk sap.
All for now, sure I'll have many questions later. |
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drbeckl2
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Posted - 01/22/2010 : 22:44:37
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GPZ;
thanks for the reply.
I have been too occupied the last few months to read much on topicalinfo.com. I still haven't even read both pages of this PETTY SPURGE thread yet. ... But you, SOFI, DLM, [& maybe some others I aint had time to read yet] have said that there is no [or very little] pain when they have been using the sap and it is killing the malignant tissues. I think SOFI said one of her lesions went quite deep, on a ankle, and it also gave her no pain, to speak of. And that it attacks cancerous type tissue, but does not damage healthy tissues next to the cancer.
I am excited to hear this, because I use the hoxsey salve formula, and there is quite a bit of burning pain that you have to endure in order to use it to kill cancers. It is bearable pain, but painfull never the less. The petty spurge seems to have all the traits of the hoxsey salve, except for the burning sensations.
As you probably know, many people who come to this message board desparately looking for help to heal their cancers, won't even consider using the hoxsey salve because they have heard that the burning pains are so hard to endure. Especially those with many lesions on them to work on. .. I guess they have very low pain thresh-holds. They are not willing to endure a few hours of pain to get the prize they say they seek after.
I have noticed that several people on here say they are devastated and desparate for a fix, but won't consider using the hoxsey salve. Petty Spurge sap aparently overcomes this obstacle of pain. And even I can appreciate that.
I am going to get me some of that.
Thanks for putting your experiences on here so that other people can learn this valuable information from them.
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