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ewittman
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 Posted - 01/23/2010 : 19:11:04
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Thanks gpz for the response.
Skyene, I found some good early info on this thread from SoFl regarding care during treatment that you might find valuable particularly in the use of bandaids and using hydrogen peroxide to frequently clean the treated area before re-application of the PS sap. I recommend going back and reading through those postings.
My seeds are now planted. we'll see how well they do in not so sunny san francisco. :) |
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forest01
USA
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Posted - 01/24/2010 : 03:00:19
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Hi Pikirimy!
Thanks for the info! I found chap and look pretty.
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anivoc
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Posted - 02/13/2010 : 12:20:28
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Unbelievable!
I went on a nice early morning run today and took a long course..@ 6 miles I was pooping out around 4 miles and decided to walk for a few hundred feet. Just about ten feet from where I had chosen to start running again I noticed some Dandelions which I have been thinking about grinding up and trying on some of these bigger BCC's I'm STILL fighting...ugh..
Lo and behold right next to them was the elusive PETTY SPURGE! I've been combing the hills in my area for the last few months trying to find this plant to no avail. There it was growing on the hillside between some ivy and dandelions.
I have been using a watered down version of milkweed from Phytomedx. I just ran out a few days ago and was deciding what I was going to try next. In the interm was just applying an orange oil tea tree oil combo. The dilluted milkweed definitely did help reduce and even eliminate some ak's but it is $25 a tube..
Well here I go. I have the plant and I'm going to start experimenting ...wish me luck!
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waverider
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Posted - 02/13/2010 : 22:37:52
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| Yes, this is definitely the PS growing season in North America, at least here on the west coast. I tried without avail to find any last summer, even using GPS coordinates from a California rare plant website that lists over 100 sightings of it in the wild -- some of them relatively close to me. Nothing. As an annual, by then it had timed out and been fried by the summer heat. So I got the seeds from AUS and coaxed about 10 plants up (growing in trays outside) after pre-germinating the seeds. Since then, those have matured and seeded and now I've got new petty spurge seedlings popping up around my yard and patio! I find new ones everyday. Any place I put the trays back in October and November so they could catch sun, there are now PS seedlings growing wild near that spot. Around a drippy outdoor faucet that is constantly moist and shaded, there are about 5 growing there alone. This is a very prolific little plant. |
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thanks01
USA
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Posted - 02/14/2010 : 12:29:08
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clearlake
USA
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Posted - 02/18/2010 : 16:44:41
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I am going to attach a picture in the next post. I am still working on this left upper arm. It has been since Dec 6 - so about 10 weeks. The original area of concern was barely the size of a quarter, peeling and itchy, starting to bleed. Upon application of the spurge, it went after that spot and then lit up areas near it, demanding to be treated. Eventually there was a second, larger area that was vicious and deep. Then another spot on top, closer to top of arm. Now, those first basic areas are gradually getting shallower. They are not resolved, but they no longer look like bottomless pits. I want to add that not all the areas have been treated for 10 weeks. The newer stuff emerged over time.
Amazingly, this is no where near done because one small and one very large blister has exploded more on the inner arm, closer to my body. This is a deep and vicious one also. I keep wondering if the whole area is going to merge into one. Or keep traveling. Or both. It seems to be seeking up the arm, or into the underarm, I'm not sure yet.
I will say this; even if one wanted to throw in the towel and get Mohs surgery, this petty spurge would take all the guessing out of where the edges are. The only question would be how deep an area is. A dermatologist could use this spurge as a tool. No more working "blind". However, if I had gone to the derm for the first quarter size area, there is no way they would have found all this unconnected (as yet) stuff. |
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clearlake
USA
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Posted - 02/18/2010 : 16:49:24
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clearlake
USA
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Posted - 02/18/2010 : 17:31:58
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I want to add that the spurge stings, not so much when you apply it, but over the course of a day, and especially stings in the beginning few days as the spurge is working it's way into skin layers. It's like a blister kind of pain, when you wear new shoes without socks. On these older spots, there is less and less reaction. I keep the area bandaged when I take a shower, because in the beginning, I foolishly let hot water run on it, and I had trouble sleeping.
I noticed that my left hand goes a little numb or tingly at times, and I think the spurge is going deep and affecting some nerves or something. Kind of scary. Also, no matter how many times I apply the spurge to areas nearby that look normal, they do not react. So I know this isn't just upsetting my skin indiscriminatly. It's going after bad cells. It also seems to work gradually on me. Thin yellow scabs form, then they peel off, revealing a slightly shallower area.
I am applying white sap from my plants, also collecting the leaves and stems, and chopping them up in a spoon with some distilled water, then applying these leaves all over the area, covering with a bandage and leaving it all day. At night I remove it. |
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Irene
Canada
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Posted - 03/04/2010 : 21:47:16
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After having one BCC surgically removed from my face by a dermatologist, which left quite a scar, I found this forum and became interested in trying Petty Spurge.
I bought seeds via the net from a place in Australia and grew the seeds. It took a while to get the plants to thrive, but now that they do thrive I am treating all suspect little spots on my face with the sap.
A MINUTE amount will do - and don't get any on any other part of healthy skin or it will cause quite a rash, especially closer to the eye lids. NEVER go near the eyes! This stuff doesn't exactly stay where you put it. You put it on a 2 mm (1/8")spot and its reaction will spread to about a 1 cm radius and gravity seems to affect the direction of the rash. It will look awful for a few days! But I found that in some cases one treatment was enough! Of course it helped that I started before the spot was big enough for the dermatologist to even want to look at it.
Anyway, my plants are doing so well now that I am harvesting seeds from them. I've got about 20 seeds - perhaps I should sell some??
Anyone who wants more information, feel free to email me.
But for all: don't just take one person's word for this; read everything you can before you start experimenting.
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SoFl
USA
79 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2010 : 12:53:54
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Originally posted by ewittman
Thanks gpz for the response.
Skyene, I found some good early info on this thread from SoFl regarding care during treatment that you might find valuable particularly in the use of bandaids and using hydrogen peroxide to frequently clean the treated area before re-application of the PS sap. I recommend going back and reading through those postings.
My seeds are now planted. we'll see how well they do in not so sunny san francisco. :)
Yes, using a band aid intensifies the effect. I suspect this is because it keeps the area from drying out and keeps the sap in a more hydrated active state. I have found that for arms and legs the band aid helps. For the face and head, I have found it is not necessary.
I was just checking in on this thread and reading the new posts, and I have a few things to add.
I have found it's important to treat long enough. I have gained quite a bit of experience with PS, and have now used it successfully on at least 10 different lesions. I have also used it on family members who also have a history of skin cancer and were regulars at the dermatologist. In my mind, there is no remaining question that this treatment works for me and my family. It's now been over a year since my first use on a biopsy confirmed BCC of the forehead and I have no recurrence and no scar.
I have found that in almost all cases, the PS wants to take out an area that is larger and deeper than the visible lesion, and often it takes out very small areas close to the legion which I assume are sub clinical fragments of the original lesion. In some cases it goes very deep, and I wash the scab off down to the pit and re apply to ensure the PS is applied deep enough to get it all. I feel this is very important. I have some small scars on my legs and ankle where I've used it, but it's no big deal at all. I have more prominent scars from old chigger bites.
I have lost my fear of the plant as I have now used it so much. As someone says, it only takes a minute amount of sap applied correctly to do the trick. I always now use it for at least 3 days and sometimes longer. I have a good feel now for how it works and when it's done. If I'm in doubt, I keep using it. I have used it for as long as 10 days on my leg, and experienced no adverse effects from longer use.
Here is the final method I've settled on to extract and apply sap. I use one of those rubber pointy dental tools, and I clipped off the end so it's flat and about 1/32 of an inch in diameter. So I clip off a leaf, and there is a small bubble of white sap at the leaf base and at the stem base. I touch the dental tool to it and there is a small ball of sap now on the dental tool. Then I apply the sap ball to the affected area. There is zero waste doing it this way.
The most amazing effect I have had is on my lip. It was the source of problems for 20 years after removal of a confirmed SCC. I had used everything from big pharma and everything on this board only to have problems keep returning. After using a diluted crushed leaf extract painted on with an artists brush for a week several months ago, it looks and feels like new. I'm not recommending anyone do that, who knows if I could have poisoned myself, but I didn't and my lip is cured. Prior to PS my lip was a lifelong issue of apprehension and pain and trips to the dermatologist. The PS treatment was painless in contrast to efudex which didn't work and ate my lip up like battery acid.
As to seasonality and growing the plant, It is an annual but I have started them at all months of the year. Like most annuals, it likes to come up in the spring. It will be ready to explode it's seed pods by late spring and new seedlings will come up immediately. Also, some seeds will come up the following spring. The plants like cool weather, well drained soil and medium sunlight. Strong all day sun and dry soil will kill them. Many tend to stay small but each plant that reaches maturity makes a lot of seeds. I originally used the Australian source mentioned early in this thread. I will say that for a weed, it is difficult to grow.
I was stressed out about skin cancer, living with something new popping up every few months for years and now I don't give it a second thought. I keep plants growing all the time and as soon as something pops up, it gets the treatment. PS has been a godsend for me. Thank you to this forum where I first found out about it. |
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san1313
USA
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Posted - 03/11/2010 : 07:31:33
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Hello all !!!!
I just wanted to add a few things to the thread I thought may be helpful.
First, my plants did very well and the spurge is doing its job. I treat spots by cutting off a leaf at the end of its steam and waiting about 30 seconds for a drop to form and placing 3-4 drops 3 times a day for 3 days consecutive. my nose is very happy now and the scabs are almost healed.
SECOND.... I think this may add something new to the thread, I used AERO Garden to grow my plants, you know, the little thing people use to grow herbs on the kitchen counter top. You see, I do NOT have a green thumb and these little things are fool proof, trust me on this. 1 week to sprout and 4 weeks later a bush with hundreds of leaves to harvest and all you have to do is add water once a week !!!
Side note... We live in a small world my friends. When I was ordering the aero-garden, I called the customer # to ask which would be best for me. The guy on the other end of the line asked what I was going to grow... I say.... Youre not going to believe this, but Im growing a weed to treat skin cancer, then I hear him laughing as he starts to tell me his father-in-law, a farmer in south africa uses a small plant to treat skin cancer but he doesent know the name of the plant.
I will try to get some pics up of my plants this week, and my Nose sincerely thanks this thread
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Irene
Canada
18 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2010 : 21:12:49
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My plants are doing great now and I have harvested many seeds - let me know if you would like to get some.
ilester@sympatico.ca
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mikE1
USA
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Posted - 03/15/2010 : 12:53:56
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Hi Everyone:
I've been away from the forum for a few months, but back in circulation now. My Petty Spurge plants are doing well and I've saved enough seed to provide for anyone who needs some. I've had a BCC about the size of a nickel on my nose for over a year. Another one the size of a quarter on my RH forehead for over two years. Nothing I've tried has had much effect on either of these until now. My nose is completely cleared up, (praise the Lord!) and my forehead is well on the way to being cleared up. I thank God for His wisdom in leading to me to this wonderful answer to a terrible scourge and I recommend it for anyone with BCC. It simply works! The seeds themselves are very tiny. Once germinated, they don't seem to need much care. The plants do not like extreme heat or cold. When mature, they form tiny flowers and seed pods. I will always keep some seed available for this remarkable plant which has done so much for me. |
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thanks01
USA
170 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2010 : 18:08:00
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MikE1 - great to hear from you and that you have been having success not only with GROWING the seed but also with USING the plant! I hope that with this little standby all your problems are solved.
I have yet to get a good crop of PS, but will be working on it, using the seed that you sent me. I am still interested in Cashew Nut Shell Oil (CNSL)and need to work with it some more. I'll write it all up on the related thread later on. After I finish fooling around with CNSL, I'll be trying the PS. Thanks so much.... |
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mikE1
USA
10 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2010 : 12:21:01
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Grace2Go
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2010 : 15:13:31
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Your plants look great Irene! I just planted my germinated seeds into pots today, and I'm looking forward to seeing mine flourish as yours have.
I live in an area where PS is not a native plant, so I'm growing it in pots on a screened porch. I'm planning to transplant one of the plants outside when they get bigger, just to see how it does.
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Gabby
USA
21 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 21:58:31
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Originally posted by thanks01
MikE1 - great to hear from you and that you have been having success not only with GROWING the seed but also with USING the plant! I hope that with this little standby all your problems are solved.
I have yet to get a good crop of PS, but will be working on it, using the seed that you sent me. I am still interested in Cashew Nut Shell Oil (CNSL)and need to work with it some more. I'll write it all up on the related thread later on. After I finish fooling around with CNSL, I'll be trying the PS. Thanks so much....
MikE1,
I have just joined the forum which I found while researching skin cancer remedies. Been fighting AK's, BCC, and SCC for 25 odd years. PS looks very interesting to me. If you have extra seed, I'd appreciate some. We live just northwest of Atlanta--spurge (the wrong kind) is no stranger to my flower beds (the stuff erupts in my lawn, too) so I think I could get the PS to take off in a nice, moist sequestered spot with morning sun and mid-day and afternoon shade. I would have sent you a private email, but do not have enough posts on the list for the system to allow that (spammers are an inconvenience even when they are not around).
If you see this message and can send me a PM, I'd appreciate it. Happy Easter!  |
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Arrow
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Posted - 04/04/2010 : 12:03:23
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| I live in Idaho and the map that is given on this site for pretty spurge shows that it can be found in Idaho. I recently met a guy who works for the state to control noxious weeds and they spend lots of time trying to control the spurge as it grows everywhere here and it it the cause of blindness in wild animals and lots of other havoc for farmers. It is not pretty spurge or peplus but another very similar variety that is much more toxic called leafy spurge and they look similar but this one grows taller. Just wanted to warn you guys who may be looking for wild harvest. |
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thanks01
USA
170 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2010 : 19:03:39
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Yes, be careful to get the EXACT variety of spurge. I also took interest in a local variety that easily grows wild here, called Cypress Spurge. That one also causes blindness if it gets in the eye and no one seems to making claims about it helping with skin cancer.
So, be sure to get the RIGHT KIND of the spurge plant, called Petty Spurge, Euphorbia Peplus, even if you have to send away for it. Thanks for your informative post. |
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bccinsc
USA
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Posted - 04/08/2010 : 12:32:58
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Hi, I am new and tried to email you Mike, to see if I could get a few petty surge seeds. It wouldn't allow me to email as I'm new on the board. If you are still here reading, I would so appreciate it. I'd be glad to send a SASE. Please let me know.
Edited to add, after posting this it allowed me to email you Mike. I hope you don't mind. I was diagnosed with a BCC and given Aldara which is making me sick and giving intense headaches. I hope you can send me some petty seeds. Thanks in advance. |
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anemone
USA
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Posted - 04/08/2010 : 21:19:59
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svanip, I am so glad you are posting pictures of your treatment with Petty Spurge. Thank you! I have a SCC on my upper lip so your pictures are of great interest!
Also, I want to extend my gratitude to all of you who have shared their knowledge and experiences with Petty Spurge. Although this is my first post, I have been reading for quite a while. I ordered the seeds fom Australis from the website posted on this board. I got somewhere between 60-75% germination rate. Instead of culling, I separated the seedling and repotted the "extras" in their own pots. So far, I have only lost 1 seedling. Hopefully they will continue to do well. Once they are large enough, I will begin my treatment and hope it works for me.
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thanks01
USA
170 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2010 : 19:35:10
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To svanip,
Your day-by-day pictures are useful. Hope you keep it up until the spot is healed, so that we can see how really good the results are. Thanks. |
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Grace2Go
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2010 : 13:13:05
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Thanks for posting the pics of your progress. I'm very interested in how the process goes to use Petty Spurge, and seeing a picture diary of the progress helps know what to expect. I ordered seeds from Beautanicals also, and was very pleased with the price and service.
I'm currently waiting on my plants to grow big enough to use the sap on my bcc, they're in the baby stage now, and have a total of four tiny leaves.
Wishing you great results.
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Hi just thought I would put into action a live treatment for your information if anyone would like to see the results....
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Skyena
USA
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Posted - 04/14/2010 : 23:24:21
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Glad to hear all the good reports. I've had my seeds a couple months now, been busy, and time seems to go by so fast didn't get them planted right away. I planted all 30 little seeds 4 days ago in 3 jiffy starter pots, with jiffy seed starter soil, been watering them every day, went in the kitchen this morning and I have a whole mess of seedlings that came up in all 3 pots. They came up quick, wasn't expecting anything for at least 10 days. Now just hope and pray they make it. Will hit them with some plant food in a couple days since they are so tiny right now. Fingers crossed. If for some reason they don't make it I'll just order some more. |
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mikE1
USA
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Posted - 04/16/2010 : 19:15:36
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Hi All:
Just to update eveyone on my Petty Surge results, my nose and forehead are just about cleared up. If anyone needs seeds, let me know. Also, you who have grown plants to maturity will notice the tiny flowers and seed pods that form. If you will put a large sheet of white cloth or paper under your pot, you can catch the tiny seeds which 'explode' from the pods at muturity. They are about 1/16 to 3/16 inch long, greyish and oblong - like a tiny watermelon. I have to use tweezers to pick them up. They have now seeded the floor of my greenhouse and plants are coming up everywhere. (It turns out this plant is not only a blessing for skin cancer - it's also a pest!) |
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thanks01
USA
170 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2010 : 20:58:38
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| svanip,now is the time for you to hang in there and keep us posted. It's this kind of questionable period that we never hear the end of and it will help us to keep track if you follow this through, with pictures, until the end. It's quite possible that Petty Spurge has done its work and that the spot just needs to settle down after being so disturbed. I certainly don't know the answer. Maybe you will just have to try another round of Petty Spurge. We have had such enthusiastic reports about Petty Spurge that it seems very important to get the end results of your very careful posting. We are grateful for that. Thx |
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waverider
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Posted - 04/19/2010 : 23:17:02
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Svanip, many thanks for the effort you put into your excellent series. I'm intending to post my results, also with superficial BCC (on the back of my scalp) but haven't had the time. But here's my two cents for what it's worth. You've done a great job and have, perhaps, knocked it out. Too soon to tell. In my case, I had the classic sBCC, which originated at one focal point -- I assume this is where it started, and dug pretty deep -- then spread out from there in the typical superficial way, never producing any vertical growth, just etching into the skin and skipping around in little "hot spots" in a circle about 1/2 inch maximum. After growing petty spurge from the Australian seeds last fall, I first did a 5-day application of PS. A scab formed after the first day or so, but I kept putting it on anyway. The scab did the normal thing: got very thick and gnarly and took almost 10 days or more to flake off. What I saw when it did flake off was a mixed bag -- the PS totally obliterated all the superficial spread, replacing it with clear healthy skin. Great success there. However, at the focal point, the deepest point, it still looked a bit "iffy." Reading back over the posts on this topic, I noticed this same issue addressed by SoFl (another to whom we should all be indebted for such a detailed, definitive account of his experience -- he's a pioneer!) SoFl described an enhanced approach for dealing with those very deep "entrenched" focal spots: that is, to NOT let them scab over, but to wash the scab off daily and reapply the PS directly into the deep "bloody pit" (as I believe he descriptively called it.) This made sense to me as I never thought the PS was getting down in there after the first or second application because the scab had pretty much closed it off. After observing the questionable area for a month or so, I decided to hit it again. The PS totally ignored the previously treated area -- nothing of interest there anymore. But, it lit up a small area where the deep stuff had been and started excavating into it. I found it easy to dislodge the scab that resulted in the hot steamy shower every a.m. and, afterwards, to bomb it right down into the depths with petty spurge fresh from my patio "crop." I did that for 5 days straight, once a day, filling up the little crater with a blob of milky sap. Then after the fifth day I discontinued and let it go ahead and scab over and heal up. It formed a *really* thick scab, almost like scar tissue, which took a full two weeks to break up. The results were far superior this second time around and I have no visual evidence of any remaining sBCC anywhere, even at that stubborn deepest point. Just smooth new skin and a slight indentation, which is normal for a tissue deficit wound like this where flesh has been removed. Of course, only time will tell, but so far so good.
So, for those dealing with the deeply dug in stuff, instead of letting it scab over, it may be worth washing it off so you can keep delivering the PS into the bloody, oozing deepest parts! The function of a scab is of course to seal off a wound. But, for my purpose at least, I think that may have been the flaw in my first attempt. Given how thick these typical PS scabs are, I have great doubts that repeated applications were penetrating during the first course of treatment once it scabbed over.
As an aside: soon after this I also discovered a little hot spot slightly removed from the previous treatment area. I think I just physically missed it the first time around. It was literally smaller than the head of a pin but the PS did it's thing and totally wiped it out. Made a little scab which I removed during application for two or three days, then let it heal up. No sign of it now.
I guess the bottom line is that this stuff can be used for multiple attacks. It seems to be just as potent the second and even third time around, while leaving previously treated areas totally undisturbed. And, as SoFl noted, as you continue to use it you become more comfortable, less wary that it's going to do anything extreme on you, etc. So I will keep watching for recurrences and/or new stuff. But if anything shows up, instead of heading for an appointment with the scalpel, I'll head out onto my patio with my little scissors. |
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waverider
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Posted - 04/20/2010 : 09:13:49
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For myself (and I can only speak for myself as I'm not an MD) I didn't see any downside to waiting about a month after the first application to let the smoke clear and see what was happening. That was my personal "guinea pig" experiment, but it might be too long for some to wait. I know from reading some of the references in the Peplin patent that it's common to have inflammation, etc, persisting after the treatment, so it might be difficult to differentiate between that and any leftover BCC. Dan has written on some other threads that there is a point where it's advantageous to stop treatment and let normal healing + the status quo get re-established. Then you can better determine what you've got. Most BCC is slow to grow anyway, so I reasoned that it probably wasn't likely to go wild on me if I backed off for just a few weeks. It doesn't seem to have made any difference to the PS, as it worked just as well the second time around. But we're all experimenters here, and exactly how intensive and how long the course of treatment should be is one of the X factors in all of this.
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Thanks mate - I am a little concerned myself that I got it all in this round, it is little hard to tell from the images and I don't know what I am looking at - I am considering to wait a little longer for healing before I smash the leftovers again if any - what are your thoughts ??
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anemone
USA
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Posted - 04/20/2010 : 12:43:15
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Fascinating photo diary, svanip. Thanks for sharing your journey! Please continue to keep us posted on your progress. It is very interesting.
Just wondering whether there would be any reaction to the petty spurge if the BCC is truly gone? I believe someone said that it never affected their "normal" skin. Would that include inflammed skin? What is the petty spurge really going after? So much to learn. I guess we are all just the guinea pigs here.
My plants are almost large enough. Just to be on the safe side (and after seeing that hole and scab on svanip's lip), I think I am going to start on a suspect area on my body first to see how I react before I go after the one on my lip. |
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svanip
Australia
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Posted - 04/20/2010 : 19:52:01
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Thanks for your interest - FYI the deeper area is only in the area from where the Shave Biopsy was taken by the Doctor, in the surrounding area there were no craters.....
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Fascinating photo diary, svanip. Thanks for sharing your journey! Please continue to keep us posted on your progress. It is very interesting.
Just wondering whether there would be any reaction to the petty spurge if the BCC is truly gone? I believe someone said that it never affected their "normal" skin. Would that include inflammed skin? What is the petty spurge really going after? So much to learn. I guess we are all just the guinea pigs here.
My plants are almost large enough. Just to be on the safe side (and after seeing that hole and scab on svanip's lip), I think I am going to start on a suspect area on my body first to see how I react before I go after the one on my lip.
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Gabby
USA
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Posted - 04/20/2010 : 20:16:14
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Waverider,
Thanks for sharing your protocol. It makes sense to me, too. I have some seeds on the way, and will keep it in mind when going after my own 'crusty patches'. 
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Grace2Go
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 04/22/2010 : 01:18:17
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Your bcc area looks great svanip! Thanks for posting the regular pictures of your progress.
My 3 little plants are growing very slowly, but as soon as one is big enough I'll be starting the sap treatment on my bcc.
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Hi just thought I would put into action a live treatment for your information if anyone would like to see the results....
So far - 24th of March 2010 - I went for a Skin Check with my local GP I pointed out a legion I was concerned about "not seen by Dr" - A Shave biopsy taken following day of a 7 x 4 mm legion on Upper Left Lip region....
9 Days Pass 
Biopsy / Histology result was of a multifocal superficial BCC..
GP referred to plastic surgeon for surgical removal - surgeon not available to see me 12 weeks.....
After much deliberation and investigation I decided to try Petty Spurge treatment - it pretty much grows in every garden as a pest weed here......
6 April Image shows – Start "2 weeks post shave biopsy" - Then the following morning after initial application of the Milk/Sap.
Euphorbia Peplus - Petty Spurge - Radium Weed - Cancer Weed
SEEDS - try here www.beautanicals.com.au ( Service was very good )
WARNINGS:
This substance contains known carcinogens....  Try it at your own risk !!!
You may need to copy and paste this link.....
http://www.wildflowerfinder.org.uk/Flowers/S/Spurge(Petty)/Spurge(Petty).htm
Treatment:
What does the active ingredient do:
Basically the Sap starts to kill the Cancer Cells (Cell Necrosis) within hours of the application then the active components in the sap induce a secondary inflammatory response at the site of the application within 24-48 Hrs, which in turn generates tumor-specific antibodies to hopefully get rid of the balance of the nasty cells.... Something like that anyway - in very simple terms....
My treatment plan 12 Days twice a day application.....
Pre Treatment Image - 2 Weeks Post BCC Shave Biopsy
Me: svanip@hotmail.com
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First Day of Treatment !
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Day 2 approx 36 Hrs Post Euphorbia Peplus Sap/Latex Application - it is growing
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Day 2 Afternoon Update - Its drying out and not stinging so much..... 
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Day Six - Morning Image - sorry re the lack of weekend images. It was a very painful weekend but not unbearable - the scab had completely covered the inflamed areas and came off on several occasions. I do quite a bit of sport - ie cycling and swimming so with the sweating and being in the water for several hours the area was scab free. The area seems to have stopped growing and feels like it is calming down somewhat ie: less pain and less blistering scabbing etc -I am opting for a review after the 12 Day x twice a day application period which is a little more than most I have read about online using Euphorbia Peplus raw sap only - I will continue to apply until the scabbing has been resolved then rest and recovery. I do not wash the sap off and I have not covered the area -unless showering etc then I re apply and let it dry on the treatment area - The amount of sap I use is quite small - a tiny drop - maybe the size of a pin head or two. This seems to be an ample quantity to soak into the treatment area - the sap is quite watery and not very viscous - it flows very willingly and spreads out over the area rapidly - the activity of the sap appears to radiate out and around the original treatment area without any need to cover it completely be careful this is a very strong substance indeed - as you can see from the images. I noted that several people had stated the the treatment was not painful - well on the face it is quite painful and it burns for several hours, if you can imagine a mild acid or caustic burn - that is what it is similar too - for me anyway.... enjoy
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Day 6 of treatment....
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Day 7 Images - The area appears to be healing and feeling OK the scabbing is very thick and firm now - the treatment area has some skin flaking around the margin - I am still applying the raw sap to the top of the scab after showering etc - it is still burning, so I guess the treatment is still working......
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This afternoons shot of the crusty demon - was a mild burning sensation all day "as usual" no great change today !
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Morning of Day 8 - Feeling similar scab is quite thick still some mild stinging after application of raw sap - not unbearable though.
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Afternoon Day 8 - Its Itchy and annoying !
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Morning Day 9 went for a hard twilight bike ride last night a lot of sweating etc - so in the middle of the scab the dark area is a crater about 3mm deep which obviously washed out with the fluids. this was the location of the original BCC Site - Ewwwwww Gross .....
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Afternoon Day 9 - Not much to report - its very crusty itchy and annoying - the scab is huge and very thick, you cant see it on the image really...
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Morning Day 10 - Went for a 2K swim last night - scab is still mainly intact due to attached beard I think - not much change to the area, it is tender and a little itchy quite a bit of new pink skin is visible - I use a prescription antibacterial cream called Bactroban 2% at night over the entire area - want to minimize any secondary infection after swimming etc.
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Afternoon Day 10 - Feeling OK at the moment not much pain at all today, scab is shrinking "with help" if it wasn't in such a prominent position you would barley know it was there
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Morning Day 13 after some sporting activities and shaving the large scabs came of with a smaller center piece from the original BCC site still remains... have stopped the application of the raw sap and am covering the area with Bactroban 2% to aid in healing the area... lets hope that the BCC is dead and gone !!! 
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Afternoon Day 13
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Day 14 Scab came off and left area visible......Second image is a close up shot - not sure if the BCC is gone or still alive.....
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Afternoon Day 14
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Morning Day 15 Healing well.....
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thanks01
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Posted - 04/22/2010 : 18:18:48
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ewittman
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Posted - 04/22/2010 : 22:08:11
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My plants finally grew large enough and I've been applying PS to the suspected area on the side of my nose. I plan to do a pictorial as svanip did. Very interesting process. I will say that not only did the PS sap aggressively go after my confirmed BC spot (via biopsy), but went to a much larger area including suspected spots I had in other small spots on my nose and on my check. It's almost as if the PS sap attacks the network where BC has grown.
The biggest question I have of others who have tried is both when to stop and what are proven after treatment solutions (e.g. Vitamin E vs. Neosporin, etc.) I'm also trying on other spots and it appears that there is a reaction but more of a swelling of the skin vs. the aggressive deep attack on the proven BC areas. So my personal theory is that even "good" skin has a reaction but it's more like a blistering reaction vs. an attack on the underlying skin where BC has dug in. Again, we are all playing MDs on this forum and we've all got our personal theories but this is my current feeling given skin reactions after the past 10 days of using the PS sap.
More to report as I progress...
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svanip
Australia
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Posted - 04/24/2010 : 23:20:13
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Most of the reports i could find and the raw sap studies - refer to the original trials that were 3 applications per day for twelve days - and yep i would recommend keeping the area scab free where possible so the sap can be applied into the main area of the bcc site "only" remembering that it spreads very well...:-)
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Originally posted by ewittman
My plants finally grew large enough and I've been applying PS to the suspected area on the side of my nose. I plan to do a pictorial as svanip did. Very interesting process. I will say that not only did the PS sap aggressively go after my confirmed BC spot (via biopsy), but went to a much larger area including suspected spots I had in other small spots on my nose and on my check. It's almost as if the PS sap attacks the network where BC has grown.
The biggest question I have of others who have tried is both when to stop and what are proven after treatment solutions (e.g. Vitamin E vs. Neosporin, etc.) I'm also trying on other spots and it appears that there is a reaction but more of a swelling of the skin vs. the aggressive deep attack on the proven BC areas. So my personal theory is that even "good" skin has a reaction but it's more like a blistering reaction vs. an attack on the underlying skin where BC has dug in. Again, we are all playing MDs on this forum and we've all got our personal theories but this is my current feeling given skin reactions after the past 10 days of using the PS sap.
More to report as I progress...
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svanip
Australia
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Posted - 04/27/2010 : 02:34:12
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Treatment using Petty Spurge for BCC
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svanip
Australia
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Posted - 04/27/2010 : 02:54:05
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Hi just thought I would put into action a live treatment for your information if anyone would like to see the results....
So far - 24th of March 2010 - I went for a Skin Check with my local GP I pointed out a legion I was concerned about "not seen by Dr" - A Shave biopsy taken following day of a 7 x 4 mm legion on Upper Left Lip region....
9 Days Pass
Biopsy / Histology result was of a multifocal superficial BCC..
GP referred to plastic surgeon for surgical removal - surgeon not available to see me 12 weeks.....
After much deliberation and investigation I decided to try Petty Spurge treatment - it pretty much grows in every garden as a pest weed here......
6 April Image shows – Start "2 weeks post shave biopsy" - Then the following morning after initial application of the Milk/Sap.
Euphorbia Peplus - Petty Spurge - Radium Weed - Cancer Weed
SEEDS - try here www.beautanicals.com.au ( Service was very good )
WARNINGS:
This substance contains known carcinogens.... Try it at your own risk !!!
You may need to copy and paste this link.....
http://www.wildflowerfinder.org.uk/Flowers/S/Spurge(Petty)/Spurge(Petty).htm
Treatment:
What does the active ingredient do:
Basically the Sap starts to kill the Cancer Cells (Cell Necrosis) within hours of the application then the active components in the sap induce a secondary inflammatory response at the site of the application within 24-48 Hrs, which in turn generates tumor-specific antibodies to hopefully get rid of the balance of the nasty cells.... Something like that anyway - in very simple terms....
My treatment plan 12 Days twice a day application.....
Me: svanip@hotmail.com
Pre Treatment Image - 2 Weeks Post BCC Shave Biopsy
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Day 2 approx 36 Hrs Post Euphorbia Peplus Sap/Latex Application - it is growing
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Day 2 Afternoon Update - Its drying out and not stinging so much.....
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Day Six - Morning Image - sorry re the lack of weekend images. It was a very painful weekend but not unbearable - the scab had completely covered the inflamed areas and came off on several occasions. I do quite a bit of sport - ie cycling and swimming so with the sweating and being in the water for several hours the area was scab free. The area seems to have stopped growing and feels like it is calming down somewhat ie: less pain and less blistering scabbing etc -I am opting for a review after the 12 Day x twice a day application period which is a little more than most I have read about online using Euphorbia Peplus raw sap only - I will continue to apply until the scabbing has been resolved then rest and recovery. I do not wash the sap off and I have not covered the area -unless showering etc then I re apply and let it dry on the treatment area - The amount of sap I use is quite small - a tiny drop - maybe the size of a pin head or two. This seems to be an ample quantity to soak into the treatment area - the sap is quite watery and not very viscous - it flows very willingly and spreads out over the area rapidly - the activity of the sap appears to radiate out and around the original treatment area without any need to cover it completely be careful this is a very strong substance indeed - as you can see from the images. I noted that several people had stated the the treatment was not painful - well on the face it is quite painful and it burns for several hours, if you can imagine a mild acid or caustic burn - that is what it is similar too - for me anyway.... enjoy
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Day 7 Images - The area appears to be healing and feeling OK the scabbing is very thick and firm now - the treatment area has some skin flaking around the margin - I am still applying the raw sap to the top of the scab after showering etc - it is still burning, so I guess the treatment is still working......
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This afternoons shot of the crusty demon - was a mild burning sensation all day "as usual" no great change today !
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Morning of Day 8 - Feeling similar scab is quite thick still some mild stinging after application of raw sap - not unbearable though.
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Afternoon Day 8 - Its Itchy and annoying !
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Morning Day 9 went for a hard twilight bike ride last night a lot of sweating etc - so in the middle of the scab the dark area is a crater about 3mm deep which obviously washed out with the fluids. this was the location of the original BCC Site - Ewwwwww Gross .....
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Afternoon Day 9 - Not much to report - its very crusty itchy and annoying - the scab is huge and very thick, you cant see it on the image really...
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Morning Day 10 - Went for a 2K swim last night - scab is still mainly intact due to attached beard I think - not much change to the area, it is tender and a little itchy quite a bit of new pink skin is visible - I use a prescription antibacterial cream called Bactroban 2% at night over the entire area - want to minimize any secondary infection after swimming etc.
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Afternoon Day 10 - Feeling OK at the moment not much pain at all today, scab is shrinking "with help" if it wasn't in such a prominent position you would barley know it was there
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Morning Day 13 after some sporting activities and shaving the large scabs came of with a smaller center piece from the original BCC site still remains... have stopped the application of the raw sap and am covering the area with Bactroban 2% to aid in healing the area... lets hope that the BCC is dead and gone !!!
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Afternoon Day 13
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This is a close up of the site morning Day 13 v's Day 1 pre application..
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Day 14 Scab came off and left area visible......Second image is a close up shot - not sure if the BCC is gone or still alive.....
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adfecteau
USA
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Posted - 05/02/2010 : 12:33:16
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Originally posted by mikE1
Hi Everyone:
I've been away from the forum for a few months, but back in circulation now. My Petty Spurge plants are doing well and I've saved enough seed to provide for anyone who needs some. I've had a BCC about the size of a nickel on my nose for over a year. Another one the size of a quarter on my RH forehead for over two years. Nothing I've tried has had much effect on either of these until now. My nose is completely cleared up, (praise the Lord!) and my forehead is well on the way to being cleared up. I thank God for His wisdom in leading to me to this wonderful answer to a terrible scourge and I recommend it for anyone with BCC. It simply works! The seeds themselves are very tiny. Once germinated, they don't seem to need much care. The plants do not like extreme heat or cold. When mature, they form tiny flowers and seed pods. I will always keep some seed available for this remarkable plant which has done so much for me.
Hi Mike,
I am interested in some seeds and or a plant to use - large basal cell carcinoma on my forehead. This forum won't let me email you since I don't have enough posts or something. I'm fairly new to this forum. IS there a way for you to email me? My email is adfecteau@hotmail.com if this allows it to go through. I would like to try this after my scheduled mohs surgery and on another suspect spot. Thank you very much
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dan
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Posted - 05/04/2010 : 00:47:30
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| Sorry for the frustration for Alexis and others with the email problem. You need at least one post to be able to send an email. You can delete your post immediately and still send emails I think. But hopefully you will stay with us. |
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Grace2Go
USA
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Posted - 05/04/2010 : 11:59:23
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Does anyone know about how long the plants take to grow big enough to have useable sap? I have mine growing in clay pots with organic soil, in a sunny spot, watering with mostly rain water. I germinated 7 seeds, but only 3 came up in the starter soil. Now each plant has six tiny leaves on a spindly stem about 1-3/4 inches tall, but it's taken them almost 8 weeks to get to this size. The plants look healthy, they just aren't growing very fast.
I have more seeds, so I'm thinking about doing another batch going by the Farmer's Almanac gardening guide for best days to plant. I didn't think to check it before starting my PS seeds, but more than half of them did die in the soil, and FA says seeds die in the soil if you plant at the wrong time. I've known many farmers to go by the almanac for planting their crops, and my grandparents always planted their gardens by the almanac. Then it was just a small book that came out once a year that they consulted for everything from planting to fishing, weather and weaning. Now some parts of it are available online too, and it's interesting to see what's in the "Best Days" section for various things.
http://www.farmersalmanac.com/calendar/gardening/
Sorry for the ramble, this bcc has been tormenting me day and night and I'm wanting it to be gone.  I don't want to start more plants if the other ones will be ready soon, since they probably wouldn't last in the ground here (I'm in a zone where they don't naturally grow, and apparently they know it!!) and I don't have enough room for an abundance of PS house plants.
Having a kind of day,
Grace2Go
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Originally posted by svanip
Hi just thought I would put into action a live treatment for your information if anyone would like to see the results....
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Gabby
USA
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Posted - 05/04/2010 : 22:19:28
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quote:
Originally posted by adfecteau
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Originally posted by mikE1
Hi Everyone:
I've been away from the forum for a few months, but back in circulation now. My Petty Spurge plants are doing well and I've saved enough seed to provide for anyone who needs some. I've had a BCC about the size of a nickel on my nose for over a year. Another one the size of a quarter on my RH forehead for over two years. Nothing I've tried has had much effect on either of these until now. My nose is completely cleared up, (praise the Lord!) and my forehead is well on the way to being cleared up. I thank God for His wisdom in leading to me to this wonderful answer to a terrible scourge and I recommend it for anyone with BCC. It simply works! The seeds themselves are very tiny. Once germinated, they don't seem to need much care. The plants do not like extreme heat or cold. When mature, they form tiny flowers and seed pods. I will always keep some seed available for this remarkable plant which has done so much for me.
Hi Mike,
I am interested in some seeds and or a plant to use - large basal cell carcinoma on my forehead. This forum won't let me email you since I don't have enough posts or something. I'm fairly new to this forum. IS there a way for you to email me? My email is adfecteau@hotmail.com if this allows it to go through. I would like to try this after my scheduled mohs surgery and on another suspect spot. Thank you very much
Alexis
Alexis,
I didn't have enough activity to be able to use the direct email feature either. Mike saw my post and promptly got in touch with me. I bet he responds quickly to you as well.
All the best, kiddo!
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adfecteau
USA
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Posted - 05/05/2010 : 00:55:04
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Originally posted by Gabby
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Originally posted by adfecteau
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Originally posted by mikE1
Hi Everyone:
I've been away from the forum for a few months, but back in circulation now. My Petty Spurge plants are doing well and I've saved enough seed to provide for anyone who needs some. I've had a BCC about the size of a nickel on my nose for over a year. Another one the size of a quarter on my RH forehead for over two years. Nothing I've tried has had much effect on either of these until now. My nose is completely cleared up, (praise the Lord!) and my forehead is well on the way to being cleared up. I thank God for His wisdom in leading to me to this wonderful answer to a terrible scourge and I recommend it for anyone with BCC. It simply works! The seeds themselves are very tiny. Once germinated, they don't seem to need much care. The plants do not like extreme heat or cold. When mature, they form tiny flowers and seed pods. I will always keep some seed available for this remarkable plant which has done so much for me.
Hi Mike,
I am interested in some seeds and or a plant to use - large basal cell carcinoma on my forehead. This forum won't let me email you since I don't have enough posts or something. I'm fairly new to this forum. IS there a way for you to email me? My email is adfecteau@hotmail.com if this allows it to go through. I would like to try this after my scheduled mohs surgery and on another suspect spot. Thank you very much
Alexis
Alexis,
I didn't have enough activity to be able to use the direct email feature either. Mike saw my post and promptly got in touch with me. I bet he responds quickly to you as well.
All the best, kiddo!
Gabby
Looks like you have to do at least one post to be able to email. I guess we're both good now!
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beecave
USA
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Posted - 05/05/2010 : 15:37:15
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Dear Friends,
I had my first BCC surgically removed from the left side of my forehead back in 1998. Since then I have had four other BCC's removed by surgery from my face/neck and have had many scabby spots on my head and arms frozen or burned off. I recently had two other Bcc's on my face and neck confirmed by biopsy, and am using Imiquimod on my cheeks and neck per my doctors advice to treat those. I am a week into that treatment. Back in March, after reading your posts here, I ordered PS seeds from Australia, and have been growing those since early April 2010. My question is this. The plants should be ready to use around the end of June. How long should I wait before treating any left over spots using PS? I know that you probably aren't MD's, but any personal advice would be much appreciated. |
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adfecteau
USA
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Posted - 05/05/2010 : 19:38:22
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My plants are doing great now and I have harvested many seeds - let me know if you would like to get some.
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Hi -
I just ordered seeds and will be growing them soon, any tips on getting them germinate well and to flourish?
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Dan A
Canada
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Posted - 05/06/2010 : 10:51:07
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adfecteau
USA
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Posted - 05/09/2010 : 14:33:27
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I used a product called "wonder soil" (google it). Just keep them moist and they will germinate in about a week. Once they came up I put them under a grow light, keeping them moist or even wet, don't let them dry out. I started the seeds March 10th and now the bush is about 8" round and had to re-pot it twice and it's due for another now.
Thanks Dan, I'll do that. I hope it works. I had Mohs surgery on Wed, developed a rapid massive staph infection and have been hospitalized on Vancomycin for 2 days now....topical treatment would be preferable... |
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svanip
Australia
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Posted - 05/09/2010 : 19:35:03
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thanks01
USA
170 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2010 : 20:40:43
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Svanip,
I am asking this question sincerely: what difference do you see between Day 31 and Day 1, at which time is your skin in better condition and do you think the cancer is gone by Day 31? The reason I ask is that I see as much if not more inflammation on Day 31, and I find it hard to tell if this is just a residual reaction and you can call it a success. This is why I have previously asked you to keep us posted for some time after the "experiment." Perhaps the pink inflammation still remaining will disappear in the next week or so. I would like to know. Are you planning to get another biopsy to test the success here? I ask because it seems that it is at this stage - the "finish" - that the determination of success becomes questionable. |
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svanip
Australia
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Posted - 05/10/2010 : 20:23:06
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Hi, I hope that the BCC is all gone - the skin is not inflamed really its pink and new' my appointment with the Plastic surgeon is on June 4th, so at that point I will have an informed answer, for which I am looking forward to a positive result. I will have a biopsy if the Plastic Surgeon recommends one - also the images are quite harsh you can see a lot more than is seen by the eye normally - but in general the area feels different and is slowly healing I think it will take quite some time to get back to normal, will keep you up to date !!
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Svanip,
I am asking this question sincerely: what difference do you see between Day 31 and Day 1, at which time is your skin in better condition and do you think the cancer is gone by Day 31? The reason I ask is that I see as much if not more inflammation on Day 31, and I find it hard to tell if this is just a residual reaction and you can call it a success. This is why I have previously asked you to keep us posted for some time after the "experiment." Perhaps the pink inflammation still remaining will disappear in the next week or so. I would like to know. Are you planning to get another biopsy to test the success here? I ask because it seems that it is at this stage - the "finish" - that the determination of success becomes questionable.
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thanks01
USA
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Posted - 05/11/2010 : 10:28:37
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| Thanks, Svanip, I'll be checking in multiple times in the future to discover your follow-up. It's interesting, at least, that the spot "feels better" after treatment, so what the photos show may, in fact, be a difference. My hope for you is that this treatment has been successful. Thanks01 |
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svanip
Australia
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Posted - 05/11/2010 : 20:13:59
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Ok here is a full shot of my ugly dial so you can see the area in a normal image style .
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Thanks, Svanip, I'll be checking in multiple times in the future to discover your follow-up. It's interesting, at least, that the spot "feels better" after treatment, so what the photos show may, in fact, be a difference. My hope for you is that this treatment has been successful. Thanks01
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Grace2Go
USA
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Posted - 05/11/2010 : 20:30:24
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Wow! If I didn't know where the spot was from your previous pics it wouldn't have been easy to find! It looks like it's healing and blending in very well. Congratulations!!
My plants are still taking their sweet time growing, but they look better since I started watering every day, and put the pot in a less sunny spot. They were getting afternoon sun, now they just get a couple of hours of morning sun, and seem to like that better too.
Thanks for the updates!
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Ok here is a full shot of my ugly dial so you can see the area in a normal image style .
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Originally posted by thanks01
Thanks, Svanip, I'll be checking in multiple times in the future to discover your follow-up. It's interesting, at least, that the spot "feels better" after treatment, so what the photos show may, in fact, be a difference. My hope for you is that this treatment has been successful. Thanks01
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Jul
USA
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Posted - 05/18/2010 : 14:52:56
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does anyone have seeds still available? I would be interested in getting some.
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Irene
Canada
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Posted - 05/18/2010 : 17:42:34
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I have fresh seeds - if you wish to purchase some, please contact me at ilester@sympatico.ca
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Petty Spurge is one of the most promising and so far successful home remedy treatments for skin cancer. People use a drop of sap from the plant directly on skin cancers. If you want to try this remedy, it is probably best to obtain the seeds from known good plants and grow your own plants. A source of seeds is http://www.beautanicals.com.au/Petty%20spurge.html The following is part of the original introduction from drbeckl along with a picture of petty spurge from Irene. Be very careful not to get any sap in the eye. I found this link from 2004 in drbeckl's list worthwhile reading http://plantmed.blogspot.com/
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Brigid
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Posted - 05/21/2010 : 17:26:32
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SoFi and Ridgeback,
Thank you for your posts on petty spurge. I'm going to try it. From a quick look at the link one of you (?) posted, the phase 3 trials sounds like it works for AKs on head and face, but you and Pikirny are saying it works for full-blown BCCs, right? Also, has anyone had success with it for SCCs?
Looking forward to hearing from anyone who's had success with it!
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Brigid
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Posted - 05/21/2010 : 17:57:03
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Originally posted by RidgebackDogs
SoFl Hi!
How is the spot on the leg doing? Are all the spots you had gone now???
Please update us! Thank you!
I am very happy to report that so far, every spot I have treated has been cured. When I say cured I mean no visible signs of cancer and a stable area that doesn't look like there is anything active or remaining. So I saved about $4,000 on the confirmed basil cell on my forehead for which he wanted to do more mohs surgery and then plastic surgery, and even more importantly the petty spurge somehow even though it ate very deep, left no visible scar unless you look at it from the exact right angle and from a few inches away. Furthermore, the areas it ate would have never been successfully removed with mohs, because there was unconnected cancer. In other words, they could have got a good margin, but unknown to them there was another area 1 or 2 mm from the main part. The petty spurge found it all.
Leg - cured.
Arm - cured.
I want to say thanks to this board. It took me lot of trial and error, and after trying basically everything with mixed results, I have a skin cancer treatment that works for me, and now I have a garden with petty spurge in it.
I will follow up by saying that in spite of a vigorous initial reaction, I have found that for me the best way to use it is until the entire treatment area looks inflamed but all the same. Basically I just use it until I'm sure it's done doing it's work. On the spot on my leg it ate a hole the size of a pencil eraser about 2mm deep, but then as I kept treating it, it started to heal up while it was still being treated. It wiped out the surrounding suspicious area without going as deep. I still have a small visible scar from the deep area, but the rest of the area looks like fine new skin.
I will do another report back in a year or so or if it returns in any of the spots. In the meantime I have a few AK's that I'm going to wipe out and basically I am done with dermatologists.
I would encourage other people who are messing around with stuff that may or may not work to look into petty spurge.
It's a great feeling to finally be in control of my bad skin and to have basically a free way to treat it instead of seeing Dr Hacker every 3 months. 2 of the 4 spots I was working on were areas that he had already treated and supposedly cured.
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Brigid
60 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2010 : 17:45:09
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Has anyone used petty spurge for *invasive* basal cell carcinoma and also for squamous cell carcinoma? Does it work for these? I have both. Getting a little worried b/c I've had the tumors for 2 years. Want to avoid Mohs.
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Juls
USA
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Posted - 05/28/2010 : 13:35:52
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I ordered some Petty Spurge. Planted all the seeds in some Jiffy seedling potting soil and jiffy starter pots. All the seeds sprouted in 4 days. I was excited. I first had them in a kitchen window and seemed to be doing well. I live in Tx and as the weather is now HOT and the kitchen stays warmer than the rest of the house, and reading the plant like cool conditions, I moved them to my bedroom. I built a little shelf in the window that gets light but not full sun. I also installed a Philips 15 watt plant/aquarium fluorescent light above them for lack of light they may get. They seemed to be doing good but really slow slow growing. It's been 2 months and they only got about 2" high. I water them every other day since the soil seems to stay moist. I did take the little jiffy pots they were growing in and put them in some clay pots with miracle grow potting soil. The last 2 days they have all fallen over, shriveled up except 1 atm. Bottom leaves are falling off it as well. So sure it will fall over here to anytime. I did order 5 more packs of seeds to start over. Just didn't have very good success on this first batch. I'm bummed. Those that have grown with success any tips would be most appreciated. Like I said I live in Galveston, tx so must grow inside. My bedroom has it's own ac unit and I keep the room at 71 so figured that would be the best and coolest place for them.
I also made a list of all the products to buy in the mean time on the "eggplant,orange oil,dmso,sunspot es,etc forum" I got the "Now" orange oil. I put that with some dmso on some of my small facial spots just to see how it would react before putting anything on some of my larger spots. HOLY MOLY lit me up. I was on fire dancing. Left it for about 5 min. all I could stand. Tried like crazy washing it but with the dmso had to endure the "seemed like an hr" 10 min of burn. On the larger ones I'm doing the "egg plant mixture" swapping some h2o2/ammonia/dmso mixture. Also doing Sunspot/dmso when I go to bed. I can do a little Sunspot on the quarter size one on my upper lip mixed with some pure Aloe. Burn is bearable till it ceases. Yes I'm playing around with some of these mixtures till I can ever get some Petty Spurge to grow.
I really love this site. Some very interesting info on here.
Oh yea and I did some vitamin C/h2o2/dmso on the large one on my lip. The space stations almost had company. Yes used the wrong "C". Wasn't pretty seeing me dancing and crying. I'm experimenting here hoping to find something that will work. Had the one on my upper lip removed a few yrs, back and it came back triple it's size. I know this time I'll end up losing half my lip and wherever else it has spread. I'll try anything to avoid that. I have numerous spots now on my face,arms,chest. Thanks to everyone here on this site with your information. My turn to play guinea pig.
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Grace2Go
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2010 : 15:04:14
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Hi Juls,
My experience with growing Petty Spurge has been the same as yours, they germinated really well, but after getting a couple of inches tall and a few leaves, they stopped growing. I've tried more water, less water, more sun, less sun, cooler, warmer, etc. and even rain water (which initially perked them up, then nothing).
I live in the south also where it's too hot to put them outside, but I'm ready to stick them in the ground and let them fend for themselves. In the meantime, my bcc is giving me fits!
One thing I haven't tried yet is Cansema, now called Amazon Salve. What I've read about using bloodroot has made me afraid to try it so far, but at this point my face is already disfigured from the bcc eating away at it, and I'm determined to not let the bcc win!
I hope you have better results with your next ps batch.
Keep us updated,
(Need)Grace 2 (keep)Go(ing)
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Originally posted by Juls
I ordered some Petty Spurge. Planted all the seeds in some Jiffy seedling potting soil and jiffy starter pots. All the seeds sprouted in 4 days. I was excited. I first had them in a kitchen window and seemed to be doing well. I live in Tx and as the weather is now HOT and the kitchen stays warmer than the rest of the house, and reading the plant like cool conditions, I moved them to my bedroom. I built a little shelf in the window that gets light but not full sun. I also installed a Philips 15 watt plant/aquarium fluorescent light above them for lack of light they may get. They seemed to be doing good but really slow slow growing. It's been 2 months and they only got about 2" high. I water them every other day since the soil seems to stay moist. I did take the little jiffy pots they were growing in and put them in some clay pots with miracle grow potting soil. The last 2 days they have all fallen over, shriveled up except 1 atm. Bottom leaves are falling off it as well. So sure it will fall over here to anytime. I did order 5 more packs of seeds to start over. Just didn't have very good success on this first batch. I'm bummed. Those that have grown with success any tips would be most appreciated. Like I said I live in Galveston, tx so must grow inside. My bedroom has it's own ac unit and I keep the room at 71 so figured that would be the best and coolest place for them.
I also made a list of all the products to buy in the mean time on the "eggplant,orange oil,dmso,sunspot es,etc forum" I got the "Now" orange oil. I put that with some dmso on some of my small facial spots just to see how it would react before putting anything on some of my larger spots. HOLY MOLY lit me up. I was on fire dancing. Left it for about 5 min. all I could stand. Tried like crazy washing it but with the dmso had to endure the "seemed like an hr" 10 min of burn. On the larger ones I'm doing the "egg plant mixture" swapping some h2o2/ammonia/dmso mixture. Also doing Sunspot/dmso when I go to bed. I can do a little Sunspot on the quarter size one on my upper lip mixed with some pure Aloe. Burn is bearable till it ceases. Yes I'm playing around with some of these mixtures till I can ever get some Petty Spurge to grow.
I really love this site. Some very interesting info on here.
Oh yea and I did some vitamin C/h2o2/dmso on the large one on my lip. The space stations almost had company. Yes used the wrong "C". Wasn't pretty seeing me dancing and crying. I'm experimenting here hoping to find something that will work. Had the one on my upper lip removed a few yrs, back and it came back triple it's size. I know this time I'll end up losing half my lip and wherever else it has spread. I'll try anything to avoid that. I have numerous spots now on my face,arms,chest. Thanks to everyone here on this site with your information. My turn to play guinea pig.
Juls
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Gabby
USA
21 Posts |
Posted - 05/31/2010 : 11:58:40
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Grace,
Planted twenty-odd seeds in planting mix placed in pressed cardboard egg flats (three nested together so they don't completely rot before the baby seedlings are ready for a transplant into a pot). After a week or 10 days I now have eight or nine half inch sprouts :) so far have just placed the flat in an east window--or out on the back deck which is pretty well shaded. They seemed to come up over-night. I prolly planted them deeper than was optimal for germination. Thanks to Mike on this list for the seeds. His are known good plants.
Will let you know how my progress in growing the plants goes. We are located on the north side of Atlanta, in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mtns.--lots of other "spurge" cousins that happily contaminate my flowerbeds and bare areas around the back side of my house, so I have hope for a good crop! The weather here, particularly in the spring is moderate, and this year we have been blessed with rain at good intervals.
More than one "crusty patch" that get periodic liquid nitrogen treatment courtesy of my Kaiser derm is now awaiting anointing with PS sap as soon as the plants are large enough.
I hope your horticultural efforts bear "fruit".
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Megan Hunter
Ireland
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Posted - 06/01/2010 : 13:23:06
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| Hi guys my mum has basale skin carcinoma on her face and the surgeons keep cutting it out only for it to reappear. I have ordered seeds from Australia and hope to grow the radium weed; euphorbia peplus. Has anyone any advice on how to utilise the milky sap? and does it hurt applying it |
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waverider
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Posted - 06/01/2010 : 13:51:35
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| The previous pages of this thread -- especially pages 1 and 2 -- are a primer for using and applying petty spurge. There's a wealth of info in the posts, particularly those made by the poster "SoFl". It's a lot of reading to do but pretty much the most comprehensive stuff you will find anywhere on the topic. |
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Megan Hunter
Ireland
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Posted - 06/01/2010 : 14:08:31
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| I am going to experiment on my mums face with petty spurge sap and would like as much advice as possible on what to do and how much to put on etc. thank you guys |
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Gabby
USA
21 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2010 : 15:17:52
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Ms. Hunter,
Do read the entire three full pages of this thread, as Waverider offered. You will have most all of your questions answered.
Good luck to you and your Mom. As many posters and Dan have made abundantly clear, it is essential that the petty spurge sap NOT be allowed into the eye. It may result in blindness. |
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txhouston
USA
24 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2010 : 12:59:41
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Originally posted by Juls
I ordered some Petty Spurge. Planted all the seeds in some Jiffy seedling potting soil and jiffy starter pots. All the seeds sprouted in 4 days. I was excited. I first had them in a kitchen window and seemed to be doing well. I live in Tx and as the weather is now HOT and the kitchen stays warmer than the rest of the house, and reading the plant like cool conditions, I moved them to my bedroom. I built a little shelf in the window that gets light but not full sun. I also installed a Philips 15 watt plant/aquarium fluorescent light above them for lack of light they may get. They seemed to be doing good but really slow slow growing. It's been 2 months and they only got about 2" high. I water them every other day since the soil seems to stay moist. I did take the little jiffy pots they were growing in and put them in some clay pots with miracle grow potting soil. The last 2 days they have all fallen over, shriveled up except 1 atm. Bottom leaves are falling off it as well. So sure it will fall over here to anytime. I did order 5 more packs of seeds to start over. Just didn't have very good success on this first batch. I'm bummed. Those that have grown with success any tips would be most appreciated. Like I said I live in Galveston, tx so must grow inside. My bedroom has it's own ac unit and I keep the room at 71 so figured that would be the best and coolest place for them.
I also made a list of all the products to buy in the mean time on the "eggplant,orange oil,dmso,sunspot es,etc forum" I got the "Now" orange oil. I put that with some dmso on some of my small facial spots just to see how it would react before putting anything on some of my larger spots. HOLY MOLY lit me up. I was on fire dancing. Left it for about 5 min. all I could stand. Tried like crazy washing it but with the dmso had to endure the "seemed like an hr" 10 min of burn. On the larger ones I'm doing the "egg plant mixture" swapping some h2o2/ammonia/dmso mixture. Also doing Sunspot/dmso when I go to bed. I can do a little Sunspot on the quarter size one on my upper lip mixed with some pure Aloe. Burn is bearable till it ceases. Yes I'm playing around with some of these mixtures till I can ever get some Petty Spurge to grow.
I really love this site. Some very interesting info on here.
Oh yea and I did some vitamin C/h2o2/dmso on the large one on my lip. The space stations almost had company. Yes used the wrong "C". Wasn't pretty seeing me dancing and crying. I'm experimenting here hoping to find something that will work. Had the one on my upper lip removed a few yrs, back and it came back triple it's size. I know this time I'll end up losing half my lip and wherever else it has spread. I'll try anything to avoid that. I have numerous spots now on my face,arms,chest. Thanks to everyone here on this site with your information. My turn to play guinea pig.
Juls
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zenitb
USA
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Posted - 06/07/2010 : 18:50:58
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| I have one successful plant going now and want to collect seeds from it. Can anyone explain how to do this? Thanks! |
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Gabby
USA
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Posted - 06/07/2010 : 19:13:08
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I have one successful plant going now and want to collect seeds from it. Can anyone explain how to do this? Thanks!
Put mature plant on a sheet. When seed pods form from the flowers, the pods will eject the seeds onto your drop cloth so you may collect them. Otherwise, you will have the little buggers all over the place! |
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txhouston
USA
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Posted - 06/11/2010 : 13:18:31
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| I am trying to obtain seeds. I am in Texas and have increasing problems with basal cells. |
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Grace2Go
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2010 : 17:27:43
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This seems to be the best place to order from:
http://www.beautanicals.com.au/Petty%20spurge.html
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Originally posted by txhouston
I am trying to obtain seeds. I am in Texas and have increasing problems with basal cells.
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txhouston
USA
24 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2010 : 20:10:07
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I am in the process of obtaining some Petty Spurge seeds. It will be 6-8 weeks until I have grown plants it seems.
I was reading that Dandelion also works against warts as Petty Spurge was used in Europe. So today I tried some Dandelion on my BCC. Only 4 hours later I see an immediate change in the look of the BCC. I did not take a picture before the treatment but just took one. One spot has changed from red to a brown color and is starting a scab. It is spot that was burned with nitrogen by a dermatologist and had started to come back.
I recognize that I am experimenting with myself. I reason with all the dandelions that have been handled by children over the years that I cannot do too much damage.
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Grace2Go
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2010 : 02:16:25
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How did you use the dandelion? Did you apply the sap from the stem, make a tea from stems, or something else?
Dandelion flower tops are good sauteed, and some people add the stems too. Or use the stems in salad, or boil them for tea. They have many good benefits, and it would be great if topical use for skin cancer is one of them.
Please keep us updated on your progress!
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Originally posted by txhouston
I am in the process of obtaining some Petty Spurge seeds. It will be 6-8 weeks until I have grown plants it seems.
I was reading that Dandelion also works against warts as Petty Spurge was used in Europe. So today I tried some Dandelion on my BCC. Only 4 hours later I see an immediate change in the look of the BCC. I did not take a picture before the treatment but just took one. One spot has changed from red to a brown color and is starting a scab. It is spot that was burned with nitrogen by a dermatologist and had started to come back.
I recognize that I am experimenting with myself. I reason with all the dandelions that have been handled by children over the years that I cannot do too much damage.
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txhouston
USA
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Posted - 06/13/2010 : 07:48:05
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This morning the two I treated are both very dark, it is about 16 hours after first application. I believe this is blood. I did have a slight feeling in each of these last night almost a very very very slight burning sensation.
I applied the latex topically. I plucked a flower. Then I waited a bit for the sap to form atop the stem. Pluck the stem which is now a convenient applicator. The second applicator can be plucked from the same stem once it milks over.
I am not sure that I need to make a second application of the latex. Although I probably will.
I would guess from this experiment that there may be a large number of plants that will stop these cancers.
I am also thinking that there may be more to this than simply a topical application. In the past people at all sorts of plants as boiled or unboiled greens. Today we eat comparatively fewer species of plans, most only ones that taste great. Many plants were once or twice boiled with the water thrown out in between to remove poisons. It is possible that remaining poisons, or poisons from eating small amounts of raw greens, had some therapeutic effect. That is possibly eating small doses of compounds that vigorously destroy cancer cells is a way for nature to keep cancer in check within humans. |
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txhouston
USA
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Posted - 06/13/2010 : 07:58:41
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I would caution that with advanced cancers it would seem if a person were to eat some of these compounds that any reaction could be violent as many many cells were destroyed within hours in my test. It could also cause internal bleeding as it appears tumor cells were destroyed leaving blood. While overall this would be a good thing it may create shock.
I would think that a person should only try consumption to stop advanced cancers under the overall supervision of a doctor, possibly in a medical setting (hospital). I would also suggest some advance evaluations in the area of blood clotting for individual patients may be warranted. If it works as fast as it did for me an overnight stay would be more than adequate after eating a dandelion salad.
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Grace2Go
USA
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Posted - 06/13/2010 : 08:40:03
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This website has some great info about benefits of dandelion:
http://www.leaflady.org/health_benefits_of_dandelions.htm
Here are a couple of excerpts from there about dandelion benefits:
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"In 1979 a Japanese patent was filed for a freeze-dried warm water extract of dandelion root for anti-tumor use. It was found that administration of the extract markedly inhibited growth of particular carcinoma cells within one week after treatment;"
Another excerpt:
"There are many testimonials from those who have benefited from the use of dandelions in the treatment of what ailed them.
Robert Stickle, an internationally famous architect, was diagnosed as having a malignant melanoma 21 years ago, and was given, after radical surgery had not halted its spread, less than 2 years to live. He said, in a letter to Jeff Zullo, president of the Society for the Promotion of Dandelions, (June 23, 1986):
" I went on a search for the answer to my mortal problem, and [discovered] that perhaps it was a nutritional dilemma.... To me, cancer is primarily a liver failure manifestation. {Italians are very concerned about problems of the 'fegato']. [I discovered that] the cancer rate in native Italians is very low among the farming population (paesanos). When they get affluent and move to the city, its the same as the rest of civilized man. Paesanos eat dandelions, make brew from the roots, and are healthy, often living to over 100 years."
He states that he began eating dandelion salad every day, and his improvement confounded the doctors. When he wrote the letter in 1986, 18 years had passed and there had been no recurrence of the melanoma."
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I've used dandelion in the past for it's diuretic benefit, but it was several years ago. My grandmother used to cook the flower tops, and use the stems in salad or steep in hot water for tea. I never liked the taste of the greens, but the benefits outweigh the aversion to taste.
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Originally posted by txhouston
I would caution that with advanced cancers it would seem if a person were to eat some of these compounds that any reaction could be violent as many many cells were destroyed within hours in my test. It could also cause internal bleeding as it appears tumor cells were destroyed leaving blood. While overall this would be a good thing it may create shock.
I would think that a person should only try consumption to stop advanced cancers under the overall supervision of a doctor, possibly in a medical setting (hospital). I would also suggest some advance evaluations in the area of blood clotting for individual patients may be warranted. If it works as fast as it did for me an overnight stay would be more than adequate after eating a dandelion salad.
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txhouston
USA
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Posted - 06/13/2010 : 08:59:37
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| After my experience with this and my recent study of nutrition that it is possible the 'cure' for cancer is one of too few natural 'poisons'. However this theory will not gain much research interest as there is little money to be made from recommending people to eat some sprigs of dandelion once diagnosed with breast cancer. Far more profitable to have $500,000 bills to pay. |
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txhouston
USA
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Posted - 06/13/2010 : 10:06:03
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I am about 17 hours into this treatment. The 'scab' came off of one of these and I have a pink area. I think what has happened is that the latex attacked the topmost layers. I am not sure in this particular one the latex penetrated significantly down. It is the BCC that was prior burned off. So I am definitely going to apply more dandelion to this area.
It does seem the penetration was only superficial. So a reasonable concern is whether this is any type of cure or whether it is simply causing the tumor cells to bleed. If it is destroying tumor cells topically this would not be a bad thing but would do little to arrest spread. |
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txhouston
USA
24 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2010 : 16:18:27
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I am about 5 hours after the second application. So far I do not see evidence of dried blood. The scab this time is about the color of a dark freckle. Prior application the scab turned dark after first turning this dark freckle color.
I did deviate from protocol. Dandelions are difficult to find in Houston this time of year. I therefore put on some other latex weed substances, thistle and another common weed that looks like lettuce on a pole but has prickly spines on the end of the leaf. After the application of these other plants I located a source of supply for dandelions that is close to home so I can simply walk there every day and treat the BCC.
I rationalize that the scab that is forming, when not dark, is dead cells. Since these plant secretions do not cause this effect on healthy skin these must be attacking the BCC. |
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txhouston
USA
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Posted - 06/13/2010 : 22:18:15
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Now about 12 hours from second application. The primary location has a reddish brown color. It is not as dark as it was at equivalent time yesterday. The scab is is continuous and no flaking of skin like that I noticed when using Dr. prescribed pharmaceutical product on my lip. I am going to sleep and will report again after the AM.
I am still encouraged that some adverse reaction with the bad cells is going on. What I fear is that this reaction is not sufficiently aggressive to root out the cancer. |
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txhouston
USA
24 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2010 : 13:50:11
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It has been three days now since first application. I just removed the second scab after shower.
The last two days I have been applying only dandelion. So at this writing the primary plant being used is dandelion.
I have not noticed any further bleeding after the first day.
It does seem that progress is being made. There is much less redness in the sites redness has shrunk to about 1/3 the diameter of the original redness. I can only think that the cancer is being disipated. There is not however a large amount of tissue that is flaking off. Much less in comparison to the area on my lip where I used chemotherapy to remove sun damage skin. so it seems that possibly there is less violent reaction than that reported with Petty Spurge. Who knows less violent reaction may indicate less violent side effects, but that is pure speculation.
I can't help but notice that this is helping with visible improvement after three days application. This rate of improvement is much faster than the chemotherapy which took a month to run it's course.
I am going to keep applying the dandelion until which time the redness dissipates. I still have petty spurge coming I intend to grow it and use it in these sites to see if the petty spurge 'finds' anything that the dandelion does not.
The latex is kinda sticky so I guess the latex on the surface blocks access of the new dandelion latex to the underlying cells. So I hope the new application will have a more significant reaction than I got earlier today. |
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Grace2Go
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2010 : 18:02:53
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Thanks for the regular updates txhouston!
Usually dandelions are everywhere and aren't easy to get rid of, considered to be one of the peskiest weeds. Wouldn't you know it, that now that dandelions are very possibly a viable treatment for my aggravating BCC I can't find a single one!
I'm going on a trip to the midwest next week, and I think this is dandelion season there, so I'll try the sap while I'm there.
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It has been three days now since first application. I just removed the second scab after shower.
The last two days I have been applying only dandelion. So at this writing the primary plant being used is dandelion.
I have not noticed any further bleeding after the first day.
It does seem that progress is being made. There is much less redness in the sites redness has shrunk to about 1/3 the diameter of the original redness. I can only think that the cancer is being disipated. There is not however a large amount of tissue that is flaking off. Much less in comparison to the area on my lip where I used chemotherapy to remove sun damage skin. so it seems that possibly there is less violent reaction than that reported with Petty Spurge. Who knows less violent reaction may indicate less violent side effects, but that is pure speculation.
I can't help but notice that this is helping with visible improvement after three days application. This rate of improvement is much faster than the chemotherapy which took a month to run it's course.
I am going to keep applying the dandelion until which time the redness dissipates. I still have petty spurge coming I intend to grow it and use it in these sites to see if the petty spurge 'finds' anything that the dandelion does not.
The latex is kinda sticky so I guess the latex on the surface blocks access of the new dandelion latex to the underlying cells. So I hope the new application will have a more significant reaction than I got earlier today.
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lonewolf1218
USA
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Posted - 06/16/2010 : 02:08:48
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| New o the forums.I was wondering since I live in south florida.I have severes cancers also,all basal cells ,and sqaumous cells.I am ordering the seeds from the site from here in australia.Since the weather is very hot here should I try and grow the plants outside or indoors from my window seal?I have to try other forms of treatment.Tired of getting so many surgeries and they keep coming back.Any help on how to grow them in south florida. |
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Gabby
USA
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Posted - 06/16/2010 : 09:34:21
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Hello LoneWolf,
I have 19 out of 26 seeds planted coming up in an old pulpboard egg flat with the depressions filled with good potting soil. Seedlings sprouted inside, with exposure to sunlight through east and west facing windows. I water every day or so. After about two or three weeks, the sprouts are two inches tall, and are just now putting on their second set of leaves. Will transplant into individual pots before long. I live in N. Georgia on the north side of Atlanta, and I plan to grow mine indoors, or in a greenhouse/screened porch that doesn't get afternoon sun.
If I lived in S. Florida, I would for sure sprout/grow indoors. Don't plant them too deeply--maybe half inch at the most. Remember that these are weeds that normally seed themselves via exploding seed pods that land on the ground and are covered up by the wind and rain. It helps that they are so tiny that they may slip into just about any crack. That also means that they have limited energy reserves to work their way up thru hard packed soil.
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anemone
USA
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 00:02:16
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svanip - I just saw your day 70 pictures. It is looking great! How are you feeling about it?
To others that might be interested - I started treating an actinic keratosis on my leg but not regularly. I think I have applied sap 4 or 5 times in 3 weeks, but it does form a scab which I remove prior to each treatment. So far, no pain whatsoever, just red and scabby. Definitely not a pretty sight.
For those wanting to grow their own petty spurge, this is how I did it. I planted the seeds in Jiffy pots and put them indoors in a SW window. The window is partially blocked by a roof overhang and tall tress so it really only gets mid-afternoon sun. Once the plants got 5-7 inches tall, I repotted them in larger pots using Miracle Grow soil. That has been over a month ago and they continue to do well. Actually, they have seeds developing, so I guess they are happy.
I did make the mistake of putting the plants outside in the sun one day when they were about 3-4 inches high. When I got home that evening, I thought I was going to lose all of them. They looked terrible, even though the soil was still moist. They definitely did not like the strong sun, so indoors they stay. I water them frequently with filtered water and started adding fertilizer when they were a few inches high and had some leaves. So far they have been pretty easy to grow.
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Brigid
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Posted - 06/17/2010 : 11:35:49
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Originally posted by anemone
svanip - I just saw your day 70 pictures. It is looking great! How are you feeling about it?
To others that might be interested - I started treating an actinic keratosis on my leg but not regularly. I think I have applied sap 4 or 5 times in 3 weeks, but it does form a scab which I remove prior to each treatment. So far, no pain whatsoever, just red and scabby. Definitely not a pretty sight.
For those wanting to grow their own petty spurge, this is how I did it. I planted the seeds in Jiffy pots and put them indoors in a SW window. The window is partially blocked by a roof overhang and tall tress so it really only gets mid-afternoon sun. Once the plants got 5-7 inches tall, I repotted them in larger pots using Miracle Grow soil. That has been over a month ago and they continue to do well. Actually, they have seeds developing, so I guess they are happy.
I did make the mistake of putting the plants outside in the sun one day when they were about 3-4 inches high. When I got home that evening, I thought I was going to loose all of them. They looked terrible, even though the soil was still moist. They definitely did not like the strong sun, so indoors they stay. I water them frequently with filtered water and started adding fertilizer when they were a few inches high and had some leaves. So far they have been pretty easy to grow.
Best of luck to all.
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Brigid
60 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2010 : 11:43:19
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These are the tiniest seeds I've ever seen. My fingers are crossed! I planted them in peat pots and hope I didn't dislodge them when I sprayed to keep them moist. They were also by an eastern window, so on day 5 I moved them to a brighter western window.
Has anyone found petty spurge growing wild and if so in what kind of habitat? By a stream? In woods? fields? near paths or away from paths? Any tips welcome.
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thanks01
USA
170 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2010 : 18:18:04
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I would like to suggest to txhouston that we start a forum thread related to dandelion. I am very interested in the reporting on each plant's success and appreciate the detailed logs from txhouston. However, I am of the opinion that the forum works best when each topical cure has its own thread and does not just add onto an existing thread for some other plant. Even though the search function is very helpful, a newcomer might not realize that actually a new topic was started within an existing topic. So, I think that I will copy your info to a new thread. Here it is: http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=733
Thanks for all your postings, though. |
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marsha
USA
122 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2010 : 01:40:05
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| After using curaderm for 2 years, I decided to stop and let things settle down for awhile before starting on petty spurge. I tried curaderm with and without dmso. It seems to work on some things and other things its really slow. I even got up to 7 times a day. After stopping the use of curaderm, I waited about 2 months and one of the places on my nose would not heal. So since petty popped up in my bougainvillea I decided to go for it. I put a drop on the scab, put some tape on it. Day 3 took off the tape with the scab and there was a whole. day 5, still a whole. putting it on twice a day. The pain is nowhere near the pain of the curaderm. Another popped up right below the first one so I'm doing them both. No scabs, a little liquid. hope this works. |
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marsha
USA
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 13:55:13
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this is after 8 mo. of curaderm and i decide to stop.
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6 days into petty. All so after trying garlic,alloe, duct tape, curaderm, I Finally got rid of a wort using petty. That was 6 mo. ago. Dan I can now work the photo thing. Thank You
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thanks01
USA
170 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2010 : 17:58:51
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Marsha,
Thank you for posting the pictures. Your experience with Curaderm helps to illustrate why it is so important that we try to help each other. Sometimes it seems that skin cancer is considered insignificant -- that is, until it's actually on your own face. The attempts here to find gentle cures that work permanently are very worthwhile, in my opinion.
Please post some follow-up pictures, showing how well the skin looks after you have finished applying the medicine and nature's healing has done its best. I wish you the best possible results. |
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Gabby
USA
21 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2010 : 23:53:08
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Marsha,
Wishing you all the best. Let us know how it goes. |
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marsha
USA
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2010 : 10:49:27
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Gabby
USA
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Posted - 07/03/2010 : 10:54:49
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Another 7 days or so of twice daily applications, and you might then think about giving your nose a chance to heal up. Hard to tell from the picture, but it looks like only a couple of spots are really active.
Carry on and keep us informed.
Put on a bandaid and enjoy your 4th of July!
Love to you, Marsha. |
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waverider
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Posted - 07/03/2010 : 13:16:34
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Looks like a pretty typical Petty Spurge excavation project to me. It has connected the dots between the two focal points, probably wiped out some sub-clinical stuff which was on its way to becoming malignant, anyway. That's the good thing about PS: you get a bonus preemptive strike against areas that probably aren't full-blown BCC yet -- but are heading that way.
I'm not a Dr nor a PS expert by any means but after 13 days, personally I'd be inclined to lay off now, let it scab over, heal up, and then see what you've got. Looks pretty clean and like it wants to heal up now if you let it. In reading the patent pdf's at the Peplin website I don't find any reference to these extended treatment periods. Most of the examples there describe 3 to 5 days, if I recall correctly. If it turns out there are still some lingering hot spots later, you can hit them again with PS in a "mopping up" operation and it seems to work just as well the next time around (i.e., I haven't seen any sign that the BCC develops a resistance, or that the PS loses its effectiveness.) It will "find" any leftover residual stuff, target that, and leave the other healed areas alone. Just my two cents. |
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marsha
USA
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2010 : 11:33:15
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Thank you so much for responding.The feed back is really important. I feel so relieved. Im putting in another photo, If you will notice there are now 3 or more white dots at the bottom, where there was one before.
I think those white dots are basil cell root tips. My sc did not have white dots but my basil cell does. I think I probably have both.
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Gabby
USA
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Posted - 07/04/2010 : 16:06:55
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Marsha,
You might want to hit the "white dots" for a few more days. If you have been applying sap for 13 days so far since abandoning the Curaderm. One of the contributors to this thread wrote about continuing until the treatment area was "uniformly inflamed" then stopping. IIRC, after stopping at that point, the healed former lesion site was uniform in appearance. That said, the "white" tissue that is showing may well be killed off, and in the process of sloughing off.
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txhouston
USA
24 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2010 : 12:40:23
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I obtained a petty spurge plant. I took a cutting and put it into an Aerogarden. Within a day the cutting looks better than it did on the plant.
I expect the cutting to take root within a week and the cutting to resume growth. This suggests that Aerogarden indoor hydroponics system will grow Petty Spurge all year around.
I bought my Aerogarden from Bed Bath and Beyond on clearance for $65. I checked craigslist here in Houston and see 6 for sale at prices starting at $35 each. The biggest single cost is replacement bulbs at $15 so this is a cheap way to go. You also get some fresh herbs as well so that will help spice up your life.
On day maybe dermatologists will have a few aerogardens growing petty spurge to treat cancers. |
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txhouston
USA
24 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2010 : 12:49:35
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I also noted in the Dandelion area that I switched to Petty Spurge once I obtained a petty spurge plant. Immediately the area erupted with small blisters. I do think that the Dandelion knocked back the BCC but did not root it out. This may be a systemic problem with Dandelion or it may be due to the fact that I did not get suffcient latex from Dandelion.
I am posting this here as now I am on a Petty spurge treatment regimen rather than a Dandelion regimen. |
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clearlake
USA
23 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2010 : 16:52:14
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| Responding to Marsha's progress with Curaderm and now Petty Spurge; I would continue using the P.S. since you've done a lot of the hard work of getting to the bottom layers of skin and revealing the source of the problem. You have the cancer in your sites, I say keep at it! I've found when I don't use the P.S. long enough, and let it heal over, it's not really gone at all. Then starting all over again and with me, taking several weeks to get to the bottom layer of the problem again. Maybe I just have a slow metabolism, or poor immunity (don't we all on this list), but I think you should use the P.S. until it stops reacting, stops bleeding and pussing, and gets shallower, even if this takes weeks. Just my two cents! |
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marsha
USA
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2010 : 10:14:53
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| clearlake, I was just about ready to stop when i read your post. I thought maybe I was taking it to extremes. On the other hand, I used curaderm on about 5 places that did heal on there own, even while putting on the curaderm. They poured out yellow stuff, then stopped, then healed. I see that my petty spurge site is filled with yellow stuff when I take off the bandage. So I was thinking it wasn't done yet. Did you get any of those white dots? Not around the edges,but inside. |
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txhouston
USA
24 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2010 : 13:39:52
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| I am unable to upload a picture of my leasions. I am getting a different reaction that is more like blisters than scaling I got from chemotherapy. |
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clearlake
USA
23 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2010 : 10:21:32
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Hey Marsha
I've used the Petty Spurge on my arm, and now I'm using it on my face for the second time. On my arm, I think I got one area to clear of Basal Cell, but I still need to go back and do some other areas on the arm that were revealed later during the treatment. The area that seems cleared took about 10 weeks. It's just that those other areas were getting painful to do and I took a break. I guess they are deep, and I did not spend 10 weeks on the newer, revealed spots. I used the PS on my face on a large area for about 3 weeks and it all lit up; however it was too ambitious of an area, and I quit and let it heal up to see if it was gone, but it seems to not have been treated thoroughly enough.
I then got inspired by Svanip on this thread who treated just one small area and was able to carry on with his life during the process. So now I'm treating what I thought was a not-too-severe set of spots forming a swath from bridge of nose to under eye socket on my right side of the face. Imagine where eye glasses rest, those are the spots. I'm working on week 6 on this general area, it all lit up of course, more is being revealed as time goes on and the bridge of my nose is quite raw. I cover it with a few well placed tan pieces of 3M tape listed on this site. The cheek area is doing some scabbing over, don't know if it's done; in my experience with my arm, it will do this for awhile, scab over, be raw, bleed some more, etc. My feeling is that it's not done until the area looks like normal skin, maybe red though, and stops reacting to the PS.
Anyway, this is my summer experiment, I want to see if it works, so I'm a guinea pig just like everyone else. Marsha, your lesion looks deep, so I would give it some more time. Perhaps your spot will respond faster than mine. I think Joybells post on this thread is misleading, because her spots seem like very minor ones, or precancers, so they clear in 8 days. Hers look nothing like yours. Yours is much deeper. I think Joybell jumps on hers at the first sign, whereas we have longstanding issues that are more stubborn. I can't tell you what the white dots are. Maybe if you continue, you can inform us what they do. |
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marsha
USA
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2010 : 11:01:04
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My petty spurg was drying up so I had to go pull some up from my friends yard.It was really scruffy looking. Its in a glass of water. This time I used an eye dropper, works well. The juice from her plant is thicker and stays where I put it. I keep a bandage on my spot all the time, so I dont get any scabbing. Curaderm works really fast for pre cancer and surface spots, I think ps would be the same.Anyway here is todays picture,looks better but who nose,(joke)
I really put alot on this morning. Just to be sure.
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Gabby
USA
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 17:03:09
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Marsha,
It looks like it is already healing from the edges, and the inflammation looks like it is abating. I like Clearlake's protocol, in large part because it is based upon experience in dealing with a known recurring skin cancer. Good luck, kiddo. |
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thanks01
USA
170 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2010 : 17:15:16
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Clearlake, and any others interested,
In May I started a POLL on this forum titled "Eyeglasses and Cancer on Face," @ http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=653 . You might be interested to participate.
I am one of the ones who think Candida colonies are at least partly to blame for skin cancers. Also, in my case, I seem to be at least mildly allergic to the parts used in eyeglasses (allergies to metal, etc. inherited from my mother). My thought was that the (sometimes mild, sometimes severe) allergic reaction to eyeglass parts causes irritation where the Candida colonies then move in, later to be followed by skin cancer in those who are susceptible. I felt I had to question why in particular that area of my face got the cancer spots. They did not seem to be related to sunburn areas. |
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marsha
USA
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2010 : 23:32:12
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| Im on a trip so I can't send a picture, BUT IM FREAKING OUT!!My nose itched all day, when I took the bandage off and rubbed slightly, all the skin came off and the thing is twice as deep. It looks like I can see the muscles or whatever that is cartalage. So Im not putting ps on tonight. Maybe I should just get my nose removed..Maybe Its just to deep. |
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Grace2Go
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2010 : 02:27:03
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Hi Marsha,
I'm not using petty spurge, but I have experienced many extreme itching times with other treatments I've used/am using on my basal cell. I've noticed that every time I have a severe itching phase it is followed by skin peeling off, or white bumps surfacing and coming out. So it seems like the itching is caused by cell die-off and is ultimately a good thing in the long run, even though it has kept me awake many nights.
It might be a good idea to not use the ps for a couple of days, and see how the area looks after resting from treatment. I've had my basal cell for several years, so I have many layers to work through. It's easier for me to deal with the treatment and healing process if I take a break from treatment while the peeling is going on. I put a salve or organic coconut oil on it during that time to help keep it from drying and cracking, and to soothe the inflamed skin.
I hope you get relief soon.
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Im on a trip so I can't send a picture, BUT IM FREAKING OUT!!My nose itched all day, when I took the bandage off and rubbed slightly, all the skin came off and the thing is twice as deep. It looks like I can see the muscles or whatever that is cartalage. So Im not putting ps on tonight. Maybe I should just get my nose removed..Maybe Its just to deep.
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Brigid
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 10:54:29
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Originally posted by marsha
Im on a trip so I can't send a picture, BUT IM FREAKING OUT!!My nose itched all day, when I took the bandage off and rubbed slightly, all the skin came off and the thing is twice as deep. It looks like I can see the muscles or whatever that is cartalage. So Im not putting ps on tonight. Maybe I should just get my nose removed..Maybe Its just to deep.
Marsha,
I've found that an herbal salve with an olive oil base made by Wiseways Herbals is great for itching. It's called Anti-Itch Salve. I've also used their All-Heal Salve for itching, minor cuts, etc. and it's great too. It has no toxic ingredients, another plus for me.
Hope you get relief soon.
Brigid
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Gabby
USA
21 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2010 : 11:20:16
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Originally posted by marsha
Im on a trip so I can't send a picture, BUT IM FREAKING OUT!!My nose itched all day, when I took the bandage off and rubbed slightly, all the skin came off and the thing is twice as deep. It looks like I can see the muscles or whatever that is cartalage. So Im not putting ps on tonight. Maybe I should just get my nose removed..Maybe Its just to deep.
Marsha,
It is because of the deepness of the underlying cancer that it has continued to recur. Hopefully the PS has done what it does, and has gotten to the roots.
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waverider
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 17:09:18
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No answers, just thinking out loud:
My understanding is that the chief mechanism of petty spurge is two-fold: modulates protein kinase to induce cancer cell "suicide," then also instigates strong immune response, flooding area with neutrophils -- white blood cells that attack foreigners -- which is why it produces oozing, gnarly scabs, etc.
However, there is one other dimension to PS and that is it's rich in glycosides, which are chemically caustic. THAT'S why you don't want to get it in your eye.
So what I'm wondering about these extended treatments is this: After two or three weeks of PS application, if I still have a raw, open, oozing crater, what am I actually seeing?
Am I seeing the persistence of active BCC which has resisted the PS onslaught and needs a couple of more weeks of treatments?
Or am I simply seeing otherwise normal deep raw wound flesh that is being chemically eaten by daily exposure to the corrosive glycosides in PS and will never heal up as long as I keep putting it on the spot?
One thing we could do: Orange oil is a pretty good "indicator" of BCC presence and we could see what kind of a sting response we get from that to determine if there's still active BCC going on in there.
Say I gouged my knee or cut my finger deeply and dumped daily applications of PS on it for two weeks, would that perhaps be caustic enough to keep it in the raw, open-wound stage instead of allowing it to heal? I don't feel like cutting myself on purpose just to find out but if I did by accident, I'd be tempted to experiment. |
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clearlake
USA
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Posted - 07/10/2010 : 13:40:21
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Marsha, we feel for you and know it takes courage to have gone this far! Whatever you decide to do, we support you. I know this is not a fun place to be! I know someone who got the exact same side of her nose replaced with surgery and some kind of skin graft, and she looks fine, and, lucky for her, the cancer has not returned.
Waverider, thanks for the helpful info in your post on the ingredients of PS. I also wonder about the wisdom of using PS for a long period, but I know from using it on my arm and face for shorter periods of time that the PS simply did not get rid of it and before long the cancer was rearing it's ugly head again. I don't think I'm a typical test case, though. My body system/immune system is very sluggish and slow. Some other, healthier individuals may find that PS works like a charm in 3 days. The skin cancer I'm finding on myself is never just one little spot - it's rooted to other spots now all over the center of my face. I'm just keeping at this section to see if this is going to work for me before giving up. Right now I'm not sure what my alternatives are. |
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anivoc
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Posted - 07/10/2010 : 14:16:02
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Originally posted by waverider
So what I'm wondering about these extended treatments is this: After two or three weeks of PS application, if I still have a raw, open, oozing crater, what am I actually seeing?
Am I seeing the persistence of active BCC which has resisted the PS onslaught and needs a couple of more weeks of treatments?
Or am I simply seeing otherwise normal deep raw wound flesh that is being chemically eaten by daily exposure to the corrosive glycosides in PS and will never heal up as long as I keep putting it on the spot?
One thing we could do: Orange oil is a pretty good "indicator" of BCC presence and we could see what kind of a sting response we get from that to determine if there's still active BCC going on in there.
Say I gouged my knee or cut my finger deeply and dumped daily applications of PS on it for two weeks, would that perhaps be caustic enough to keep it in the raw, open-wound stage instead of allowing it to heal? I don't feel like cutting myself on purpose just to find out but if I did by accident, I'd be tempted to experiment.
With bloodroot if you apply it to healthy skin there is no reaction. I have a feeling it is the same with petty spurge... real simple test. try some in an area where you are sure the skin is healthy. That will give you the answer. |
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waverider
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Posted - 07/10/2010 : 17:08:50
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I get that it doesn't have an effect on healthy, healed skin ... but I'm wondering about the unhealed open wound -- the bloody raw crater -- that is the usual after-effect of the cancer-consuming action of bloodroot and, in a less dramatic way, petty spurge. Is it standard, for example, to continue doggedly applying bloodroot day after day to the open crater that forms after the first application(s)? And if one did so, would it hinder healing?
I'm just thinking that since the action of the two is somewhat similar (though obviously greater in intensity with bloodroot) the protocol for use would probably be similar, too. |
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marsha
USA
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2010 : 02:07:07
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| First of all I want to thank all of you for responding. It makes me cry. I can feel really isolated and then all of a sudden you all answered. Thank you. Back to the nose. The white spots were gone. So I stopped using ps. Gracetogo your right about the itching. I remember that from the curaderm. But the itching was 5 times as bad. (But the pain with curaderm is 5 times as bad)Anyway, the next day the bottom half had totally healed over.The top half is still oozing and itching. I think the ps keeps working for a while after you stop using it. |
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Brigid
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 09:54:35
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Originally posted by waverider
I get that it doesn't have an effect on healthy, healed skin ... but I'm wondering about the unhealed open wound -- the bloody raw crater -- that is the usual after-effect of the cancer-consuming action of bloodroot and, in a less dramatic way, petty spurge. Is it standard, for example, to continue doggedly applying bloodroot day after day to the open crater that forms after the first application(s)? And if one did so, would it hinder healing?
I'm just thinking that since the action of the two is somewhat similar (though obviously greater in intensity with bloodroot) the protocol for use would probably be similar, too.
From reading about PS on the net, my understanding is that it does affect normal skin, is considered "toxic" for that reason. From what I remember it will irritate/redden it but not dig down the way it does where the cancer is. I'm going to try it on healthy skin as well to see what it does.
Has anyone fertilized their little sprouts? If so, at what point ie how tall were they? Mine are about 1 1/2-2" and have no leaves on the stems, only on the top. But I have one plant with 8 leaves which I grew in plain potting soil (as opposed to the soil/sand/vermiculite mix, and it always looked hardier than these spindly little creatures. |
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marsha
USA
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Posted - 07/11/2010 : 21:33:16
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thanks01
USA
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 18:37:32
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Marsha,
I have never yet succeeded with growing Petty Spurge, and also have never yet experienced these deep holes which concern you. (My only procedure so far, really was a Mohs with plastic surgery following).
I would just like to remark that your very good pictures do look like a "clean" process. I can believe this is scary, but to me it looks like you are really cleaning out the problem, and I just hope that these places now heal well for you.
I am just an interested bystander at the moment and can give no weight to my opinions. But I thank you for such clear and detailed sharing. This will definitely be part of the Petty Spurge history as we keep working on the forum here. |
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svanip
Australia
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 19:33:23
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Hey Looks and feels fine however at this stage I am not convinced that the BCC is gone - My derm Dr was not happy that I had taken this cousre of treatment, he called it "Petty Spurge" one of the caustic's and said that all this type of treatment does is drive the cancer below the surface and causes it to spread underneath the skin so - I am still worried its down deep somewhere !!
Lets hope he is wrong !!
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Originally posted by anemone
svanip - I just saw your day 70 pictures. It is looking great! How are you feeling about it?
To others that might be interested - I started treating an actinic keratosis on my leg but not regularly. I think I have applied sap 4 or 5 times in 3 weeks, but it does form a scab which I remove prior to each treatment. So far, no pain whatsoever, just red and scabby. Definitely not a pretty sight.
For those wanting to grow their own petty spurge, this is how I did it. I planted the seeds in Jiffy pots and put them indoors in a SW window. The window is partially blocked by a roof overhang and tall tress so it really only gets mid-afternoon sun. Once the plants got 5-7 inches tall, I repotted them in larger pots using Miracle Grow soil. That has been over a month ago and they continue to do well. Actually, they have seeds developing, so I guess they are happy.
I did make the mistake of putting the plants outside in the sun one day when they were about 3-4 inches high. When I got home that evening, I thought I was going to lose all of them. They looked terrible, even though the soil was still moist. They definitely did not like the strong sun, so indoors they stay. I water them frequently with filtered water and started adding fertilizer when they were a few inches high and had some leaves. So far they have been pretty easy to grow.
Best of luck to all.
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waverider
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 20:36:37
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Marsha, I think it will heal up fine if you let it. It does look very "clean" as Thanks says -- just normal raw flesh. You will be living in Scab City for a while and if I were you, I'd let the scab stay there as long as it wants to. There may be some indentation there for a while after the scab sheds, which you can feel with your finger. That kind of wound is called a "tissue deficit" wound, versus a standard cut or slash, and it takes some time for space left by the eaten-away flesh (sorry, can't think of any less-graphic description) to be replaced with new tissue so that you can't feel any indentation anymore. It's a slow process. I can still detect some indentation on the back of my head where the PS excavated some BCC last year. But its all healed over with smooth clear flesh, so, no problem.
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marsha
USA
122 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 23:55:27
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| waverider, I don't get any scabs because I keep a piece of tape on all the time. I decide that the part of my nose was not finished at the top, It didn't heal like the bottom part and after looking at my picture again I notice one of those white spots. I too am worried about not getting the roots.It seems like it should be like curaderm.When the cancers gone it heals by its self even while you put on the cream. I had moes surgery in the same spot that I am working on now.They took out about a nickel size.Then I came home and went to another Dr. and he said that my nose looked terrible and he would fix it for me. He cut it back open and shaped it like an eye then stitched it up. Well that pulled the nostril up on one side and put a big lump across the bridge of my nose. Oh well. onward, So I'm going to check out the iodine and agrimony. |
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clearlake
USA
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 13:22:15
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| Svanip, thanks for getting back to us with the follow-up information. Interesting that your Derm implies you have done yourself harm by using Petty Spurge. I was curious to hear if your doctors would do another biopsy to see if the spot was clear. Anyway, keep us posted on what happens with your Basal Cell. |
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Petty Spurge Herb sap for skin cancers
