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I thought the "it will drive it deeper" remark by that Doctor was sort of a giveaway, too. I don't believe you can drive cancer deeper. Like, do the little cells say to each other, "whoa, petty spurge up top, better turn around and go deeper so it doesn't get us"? Cancer is where it is. I don't think you can induce cancer cells to flee to some other location in order to evade treatment. Otherwise, wouldn't Aldara, freezing, etc, also "drive it deeper"? I do think that any derm who says that figures he can easily use a scare tactic to discourage non-surgical attempts to deal with it. I'm also surprised (not really, given my experience with dermatologists thus far) that a Dr. in Australia would be so uninformed about it, since PS has already cleared many clinical trials down under, been written up in Australian medical journals, etc. That alone would cause me to question his judgment.

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I see many questions about growing the Petty Spurge plant and I would like to offer some suggestions:
Now that it is summer in North America: grow them outside. My best plant started between the cracks of two walkway stones (accidentally from seeds from my original plants). It is strong and healthy because it has been outdoors and faced the elements.
When it was about 1.5" tall the top got chopped off by mistake - this produced a wonderful, bushy, compact little plant. [See pictures - notice the reddish, thick stems on this one!].
This seedling grew in the cracks in front of my house - so it had full sun exposure. When it was about 3" tall I dug it up and planted in a plastic pot and after a day of sulking, it seems to be happy with the richer soil it now has.
From my experience the rules for this plant are:
1) Don't let the soil dry out.
2) Keep plants in an area where they have plenty of fresh air to avoid moulding.
3) Cut the tip off when it's still quite small - 2 or 3 " max. That way it will branch out and be a more balanced plant.
4) Don't coddle it - it's tough if you let it be.
5) Use liquid fertilizer now and again once it's about 2" tall.

PS I still have plenty of seed if anyone wants to buy some.

Irene
ilester@sympatico.ca

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I see many questions about growing the Petty Spurge plant and I would like to offer some suggestions:
Now that it is summer in North America: grow them outside. My best plant started between the cracks of two walkway stones (accidentally from seeds from my original plants). It is strong and healthy because it has been outdoors and faced the elements.
When it was about 1.5" tall the top got chopped off by mistake - this produced a wonderful, bushy, compact little plant. [See pictures - notice the reddish, thick stems on this one!].
This seedling grew in the cracks in front of my house - so it had full sun exposure. When it was about 3" tall I dug it up and planted in a plastic pot and after a day of sulking, it seems to be happy with the richer soil it now has.
From my experience the rules for this plant are:
1) Don't let the soil dry out.
2) Keep plants in an area where they have plenty of fresh air to avoid moulding.
3) Cut the tip off when it's still quite small - 2 or 3 " max. That way it will branch out and be a more balanced plant.
4) Don't coddle it - it's tough if you let it be.
5) Use liquid fertilizer now and again once it's about 2" tall.

PS I still have plenty of seed if anyone wants to buy some.

Irene
ilester@sympatico.ca

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Irene,

Your plants look really happy. How long did it take them to get to that stage??

I have 20 or so seedlings that are almost at the "top off" stage. I may transplant them into their own pots first, though.

Mine are growing in an eastern window--really hot and humid in the Atlanta area just now.

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Originally posted by marsha

Hi dan!!!! It's called Plantain Goldenseal Salve,by Gaia Herbs. Its a really nice salve if you dont have skin canser. My herblist friend uses it for mild healing. It has some blood root in it.

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> I also noticed that several other suspect spots nearby (flaky skin) to which I had not yet applied any sap also began to redden and become inflamed and in several a small pustule erupted from beneath the skin which burst ...

> Have any other readers using this treatment experienced any similar "remote reactions" in nearby suspect (but not directly treated) skin areas a few days to a week after application of the sap to a treated area?

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svanip, Are you saying you are unhappy with your results? I put some petty spurge on the underside of my for arm and taped it up.I will continue this another 2 days. That will make 4 days, So far I have had no reaction.

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How many times a day did you use the petty spurge on your spots, and did you bandage them when they started to ooze or scab? My plants are almost ready to use, another 3-4 weeks, hopefully. Also, what is paw paw ointment? I don't know if it's available in the US, New England, where I live. Where did you get it?

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Svanip, I dont understand how your dr. can call this caustic. With all the prescription creams they use. Not to mention the burning and freezing and cutting.And I dont think this drives it deeper. I read up on the Iodine site and one thing that stood out was the Dr. was talking about the white spots. I hope I will know when this is done. I hope it will just heal by itself while still using the petty.

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Originally posted by Brigid

Sorry about the blank just now. I sometimes can't access the page with the "post a reply" at the upper right.

Soil mix for seedlings is important too. According to Beautanicals 1/3 potting soil/ 1/3 sand/ and 1/3 vermiculite is best to start them. Put in larger pots once they have 6-8 leaves on them. Can fertilize once every 2 or 3 days with a liquid fert. like fish emulsion even when they're in the little peat pots, but I'm not sure when to start fertilizing. Has anyone done this? How big were the seedlings when you started?
Canada, where you live, Irene, is cooler than some parts of the US. People have posted about losing their plants if they live in Texas, for ex. Even in New England my seedlings were dying inside and outdoors,it's been too hot and humid. Putting an air conditioner in revived some of them. I've tried hardening them off outside in the eastern morning sun, but they have to be brought in before the real heat sets in, even though there's no more direct sun at that point--otherwise they droop. I've been trying to prop up the weaker ones that bend over inside: some have responded well but others were too frail to become upright.

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Looks like a pretty typical Petty Spurge excavation project to me. It has connected the dots between the two focal points, probably wiped out some sub-clinical stuff which was on its way to becoming malignant, anyway. That's the good thing about PS: you get a bonus preemptive strike against areas that probably aren't full-blown BCC yet -- but are heading that way.

I'm not a Dr nor a PS expert by any means but after 13 days, personally I'd be inclined to lay off now, let it scab over, heal up, and then see what you've got. Looks pretty clean and like it wants to heal up now if you let it. In reading the patent pdf's at the Peplin website I don't find any reference to these extended treatment periods. Most of the examples there describe 3 to 5 days, if I recall correctly. If it turns out there are still some lingering hot spots later, you can hit them again with PS in a "mopping up" operation and it seems to work just as well the next time around (i.e., I haven't seen any sign that the BCC develops a resistance, or that the PS loses its effectiveness.) It will "find" any leftover residual stuff, target that, and leave the other healed areas alone. Just my two cents.

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[quote]In terms of duration, I have used it on lesions that went deep, scabbed over and then healed, all while using PS. If I get an early scab, these days what I do is wash it off in the shower and retreat to open skin when I get out. On my body, PS will irritate good skin but that's it. In other words, it won't dig a hole in good skin.....possibly on the nose or forehead it would...on me those are the most sensitive areas to PS. I would imagine everyone is a little bit different in this regard.

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[quote]In terms of duration, I have used it on lesions that went deep, scabbed over and then healed, all while using PS. If I get an early scab, these days what I do is wash it off in the shower and retreat to open skin when I get out. On my body, PS will irritate good skin but that's it. In other words, it won't dig a hole in good skin.....possibly on the nose or forehead it would...on me those are the most sensitive areas to PS. I would imagine everyone is a little bit different in this regard.

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Ah this issue of scabs: I am currently using Petty Spurge on both my nose and forehead. It is not a pretty sight! THe scabs feel very dry and I am tempted to soften them with a cream of some sort, so what do people recommend: leave it alone, or use Vit E cream (tried that today and it stung a lot) or use Pawpaw cream or rosehip oil or what? I am pretty desperate to soothe the rough scabby skin with something and also I still feel I might need to use more petty spurge:

for example on my forehead: above my eyebrow: what began as a tiny indented area turned into a huge swollen circular raised bump after my first application of petty spurge. A few weeks later it had subsided to a flat reddish area but still had the indent. I re-applied petty spurge this time in a wider area (realising that the cancer was larger below the visible surface indentation) and it got swollen and angry again but not as dramatic as the first time.

Now, there is a decent scab. I know not to scratch it off or I will have a scar; but should I soothe it with a topical cream of some kind?

Grateful for help.

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Bridgid,What do you mean known tumors? What do they look like? I'm wondering if I have those? Marsha

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[quote]In terms of duration, I have used it on lesions that went deep, scabbed over and then healed, all while using PS. If I get an early scab, these days what I do is wash it off in the shower and retreat to open skin when I get out. On my body, PS will irritate good skin but that's it. In other words, it won't dig a hole in good skin.....possibly on the nose or forehead it would...on me those are the most sensitive areas to PS. I would imagine everyone is a little bit different in this regard.


I had an area the size of a half dollar that was swollen up on my forehead surrounding the lesion during the first two days of treatment.

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>In terms of duration, I have used it on lesions that went deep, scabbed over and then healed, all while using PS. If I get an early scab, these days what I do is wash it off in the shower and retreat to open skin when I get out. On my body, PS will irritate good skin but that's it. In other words, it won't dig a hole in good skin.....possibly on the nose or forehead it would...on me those are the most sensitive areas to PS

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Originally posted by lonewolf1218

I' hoping someone can help me.I have been trying to grow petty surge without any luck.I was in so.fla now I am in west texas.I have the seeds,I get them to sprout but after they get to be about 2 to 3 inches tall,they start to die.When they get that big,should i water everyday?Get more sunlight?Please help.My cancer sores are getting bigger and I am tired of the surgeries.

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Originally posted by lonewolf1218

I' hoping someone can help me.I have been trying to grow petty surge without any luck.I was in so.fla now I am in west texas.I have the seeds,I get them to sprout but after they get to be about 2 to 3 inches tall,they start to die.When they get that big,should i water everyday?Get more sunlight?Please help.My cancer sores are getting bigger and I am tired of the surgeries.

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Brigid, sounds like you're in the midst of the process! The yellow scabbing sounds so familiar to me. I wonder what that is. If we were dermatologists we could tell you. Sounds like you also have regular scabbing. I know it's upsetting because it's on your face and impacts your life so much. However, if it's any reassurance, know that if you stopped the application of petty spurge tomorrow, it amazingly will heal up and won't leave too much of a trace. The cancer won't be gone, but you will return to your normal state.

As to how long to use it - we are all guinea pigs sharing our experiences here, wish there were more hard data to tell you. I'm glad to hear you are continuing on with the application as I don't think one or two days is going to cut it. I think it works faster on a lesion that's newer and shallower. That would be common sense. That's the line newspaper articles about checking for skin cancer take also. I've used it 2x for 10 weeks straight on large areas, and I saw some improvement, but I got tired of it after awhile and stopped for a break.

I've been thinking of working on my own upper lip area, nose again, and thinking that this time I might attempt 10 days on, 10 days off. Or three days on, three days off. Whatever, just to survive through it because it does get painful and you feel lousy and fatigued with all the die off. Some of my areas are invisible to the eye also, I feel the itch, and then I know it's there.

So anyway, I feel for you Brigid, but keep up the good work, it feels better to be working on it than to ignore it and hope it goes away, and let us know how you proceed.

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Brigid, sounds like you're in the midst of the process! The yellow scabbing sounds so familiar to me. I wonder what that is. If we were dermatologists we could tell you. Sounds like you also have regular scabbing. I know it's upsetting because it's on your face and impacts your life so much. However, if it's any reassurance, know that if you stopped the application of petty spurge tomorrow, it amazingly will heal up and won't leave too much of a trace. The cancer won't be gone, but you will return to your normal state.

As to how long to use it - we are all guinea pigs sharing our experiences here, wish there were more hard data to tell you. I'm glad to hear you are continuing on with the application as I don't think one or two days is going to cut it. I think it works faster on a lesion that's newer and shallower. That would be common sense. That's the line newspaper articles about checking for skin cancer take also. I've used it 2x for 10 weeks straight on large areas, and I saw some improvement, but I got tired of it after awhile and stopped for a break.

I've been thinking of working on my own upper lip area, nose again, and thinking that this time I might attempt 10 days on, 10 days off. Or three days on, three days off. Whatever, just to survive through it because it does get painful and you feel lousy and fatigued with all the die off. Some of my areas are invisible to the eye also, I feel the itch, and then I know it's there.

So anyway, I feel for you Brigid, but keep up the good work, it feels better to be working on it than to ignore it and hope it goes away, and let us know how you proceed.

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Brigid,

Thanks for your posting the progress of your treatment. I have several PS sprouts that I transplanted three weeks ago, and set outside since weather has cooled off. They have really taken off as to putting out new leaves.

We are about to get some frost, so I suppose i will either bring them in or cover them. Do you, or anyone else know about their hardiness in cold weather. They clearly do not mind temps in the 40's or high 30's at night. I have them up against the house on the east side out on the deck behind the house.

Thanks again, B.

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> Also do any users report any other possible side affects of the treatment, as it appears from my observation that substances from the sap can enter the bloodstream and could therefore cause other systemic side effects?

> In particular has any user noted any psychological effects such as acute anxiety, mood alteration, or depression when using the treatment? I appreciate that any such observations may make a very tenuous connection with the treatment, but not a lot is known about the effects of this "drug".

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I was also just reading that Peplin who was working to bring this to market in Australia was acquired by another firm, so I have no idea when the product will actually be in the market. Maybe it's been iced until some patents run out.

SOFL, what do you mean by this? Has Peplin been gobbled up by the competition or Big Pharma in order to make them go away, with the product never going to market?

SOFL, you are such a great healer! You do a great job on yourself. I live in South Florida also.

Hey everyone here, I have a problem, would appreciate some feedback. I've had a history of superficial BCC on area between lip and nose. Treated with Aldara multiple times, didn't work. Had Moh's surgery there which left a scar, then I felt the cancer returning and used more Aldara just to see if something was going on (this was before Petty Spurge). Using the Aldara revealed another bad spot on the other side of area between lip and nose, and this spot was doing a sneaky journey across the upper lip area back to the original spot. I experimented with using bloodroot on both areas; the bloodroot lit up pretty good in both spots and left a significant disfiguring scar on the first spot where it ate into the Moh's scar, pulling my lip up into a sneer in the process. (Sorry, graphic)
I tried petty spurge on these areas, and really the whole center of my face it lit up plenty. I really did too large an area and could not sustain. Also, that original Moh's/disfigurement area just seemed so deep and it was painful. I quit, thinking I would get back to it. But it's just such a visible area to be experimenting on, and too painful, as I said. Meanwhile, my lips are getting flaky and bleed if I pull off the peel.
I decided to break down and go to the dermatologist, a new one. This guy seems top of the line, head of the skin cancer center, went to an ivy league medical school. When I showed him my face, he was very angry that I used topicals and said I couldn't be his patient if I continued to do that because he is against that kind of thing. He wouldn't biopsy 2 places I wanted him to (my arm! remember the pictures of my arm y'all!), but he did do 2 punch biopsies in the area of the original Moh's scar/now disfigurement. I have stitches in 2 places. Adding to my scar collection.
Anyway, they just called me from the clinic with biopsy results. They said they were negative, just scar tissue. What am I to make of this? I will get my stitches out Friday and see this derm, but . . . what about my lips and how I can feel the creepy crawly itchy ever spreading to around my nose, etc? What about the fireworks every time I use a topical? Do I believe them or believe in me? I never expected this negative biopsy result!! Any insight?

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I' hoping someone can help me.I have been trying to grow petty surge without any luck.I was in so.fla now I am in west texas.I have the seeds,I get them to sprout but after they get to be about 2 to 3 inches tall,they start to die.When they get that big,should i water everyday?Get more sunlight?Please help.My cancer sores are getting bigger and I am tired of the surgeries.

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If you’ve used petty spurge, please reply. I'm on day 5 of applying the sap to a 2 1/2 year old twofer one squamous/ basal cell tumor above my upper lip. The area puffed up more from the sap, got a little red and developed a thin scab that I pulled off a few times and kept covered with a poultice of the crushed leaves and a band-aid. The scab was not on the whole puffy area, it was just on 2 tiny red eruptions that popped up 8 months ago. Nor did the whole puffy area turn red. Now it’s red but no oozing yet. There's also a strip of bumpy, non-puffy inflamed skin about the length & width of band-aid adhesive that extends from the original site to the crease at the end of my mouth (smile line.) There's no similar irritated area on the other side, so it’s not from the band-aid adhesive. I guess its either a surface reaction to the spurge or more cancer there that was under the skin. When I tried the spurge on a spot on my hand, nothing happened, so it’s probably not an allergic reaction. I put the crushed leaves poultice on 1 - 3 X/day and sap once or twice a day, but not much is happening other than stinging, redness, scabbing (which I’m trying to keep off) and rash-like stinging area I described. There’s some deeper pain at one of the eruption sites when I put pressure on it.

Where’s the oozing that will get the cancer OUT? Is oozing a sign that the cancer’s leaving, or can it leave without that? I hope someone knows the answer to that...

On the other side of the lip, above it, a new spot I treated blistered up, onto the red skin of the lip and there are some little white bumps, similar to what Marcie described. I also treated one AK on my nose that got red, but no pain there. Yea!

My face is reacting only on the exact spots where I apply the sap: it’s not spreading. Why hasn't it spread over the whole puffy area above my lip since that's clearly from the tumor? (It was a little puffy for some months before I applied the sap.) Wondering if my plants have weak sap? Is it important to take the sap from the main stem? But that reduces the # of times you can use a plant, while if you take it from the smaller branches at the top, you can use the same plant many more times. Still I’ve taken some main stem sap, too.

Like other people, I'm trying to conserve the plants: I have 4 or 5 other spots ony my face to treat. Do you think the sap in the little branches at the top is weaker than the sap in the main stem? Of course there’s less sap in them. Or is it possible that the tumor is somehow partly dead or encased? Also, does anyone know whether the clear watery sap you get from pinching a recently cut stem is potent? I assumed less so than the white sap. Please reply if you have any experience with this or know about apoptosis, etc.....

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I am very eager to try the Petty Spurge. But at the moment my plants are extremely "petty" or SMALL. I planted the seeds in potting soil, rather than just garden dirt, but they are not taking to it the way most plants do. Perhaps it's just the lousy "perpetual spring" weather of gray and rain that we had for 3 months. I'm still hoping for some leaves to pick and some flowers and seeds, before fall.

Petty Spurge, Capsaicin, and also, still, Pancreatin (in skin cream) are my favorite 3 right now. As for Eggplant, I make sure to EAT it, not using it topically right now. My main trouble with myself is that I am back to that "glass of wine," which is bad for the Candida. I am enjoying it and wishing I did not.
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SoFi, I took two plants, some had seeds, and put the whole thing in the juicer. I put the juice in brown bottles and refrigerated them. One small bottle I added a vitamin c, food based. It thickened it up into a nice paste. I just put that on today for testing.But I was wondering how long do you think the sap will stay good in the refrigerator? I thought maybe the vitamin c would help preserve it, but reading up on natural perservitives, it seems like there arn't any, grapefruit seeds are good.Any ideas?

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Thanks for all the invaluable information SoFL! I always always get so upbeat when I read your posts and we appreciate you sticking with it and keeping us informed. I'm going to go back to my lip area after Thanksgiving, you've inspired me!

Question for you: you've mentioned in previous posts about getting on lesions early and right away using the PS. You've mentioned wanting to take care of problems while they are small. Just what is your tip off visually for a possible problem area or lesion (that's still small)?

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Hi dim!
Check further back in this thread there are posts from SoFl who talks about how he (she?) used the petty spurge - also there was someone from OZ that SoFl was in contact with about how to use it (by email on this forum i assume).
Any pix you could post of your treatment with Petty Spurge could only be a tremendous help to others! Thanks for your post and your contribution. Hope the info above helps - you will have to go back to June posts and a little further or even use the search engine on the forum.
Good luck! you are in my prayers!

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Anivoc,
Thanks for this. Can you post us the information on how to get this petty spurge solution so that we can try some? I am one of the ones who ordered seeds from Australia and had poor luck in growing them. As MiKe1 pointed out somewhere, the seeds appear to have suffered from radiation going through customs. My plants grew very poorly for a WEED and I consider this season lost on that count. However, I am interested to try this spurge. Thx.

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I just logged in to give a treatment update and document some new procedures.

First of all, I have now treated 20 or more lesions on myself and my dad, some of which were recurrences of previously biopsied and surgically removed bcc and scc. He is 82 and has a history of skin cancer.

I have had a couple of recurrences of spots treated with PS, and upon re treatment they are now gone. I attribute the recurrence to under treatment. There have been times when enough sap was hard to come by. I am going on about 2 years for the first things I treated with no recurrence.

I have no further need to experiment with other treatments. The PS is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more effective than any other treatment I've used prior to finding PS (from surgery to efudex to solaraze to aldara to almost every treatment on this board). Honestly, I don't know how it could work any better of more effectively. I say that because it's fairly quick, relatively painless and has a good end result on me. I have treated my head, lip, eye socket, nose, arms, legs, torso with it. In particular, my lower lip was a painful problem for YEARS and nothing ever cured it. I bit the bullet about a year ago and tried it on my lip. Since that time I feel like I have a new lip. No problems in a year for the first time in 15 years. Previously my lip had surgery (SCC), efudex several times, and solaraze. None of it worked except briefly (6 months or so). Now it feels and looks great.


So I've settled on a "standard" treatment which is very effective for me. It probably tends more to overtreatment rather than undertreatment. I snip one leaf at the base with sharp scissors and wait for the sap to come out of the still attached stem, and let it flow onto a flat bladed dental tool. It is a very small amount that flows onto the tool. I'd guess about 1/4 the size of an average water droplet. I make sure the skin is clean and dry because it absorbs better that way.

I then apply the sap directly to the suspect area, and I cover the area with the leaf I snipped off and a round band aid to top it off.
If the spot is larger I'll use the sap from 2 leafs or the extract from a large leaf if I have one.

I keep it covered for 24 hours, shower, rub off any dead skin and do it again.

By the third day, usually what happens when using this "turbo" treatment is that the area I suspect is cancer now has a deep irregular pit, while the surrounding skin may be severely irritated or maybe even sloughing off the top layer, the PS has targeted the lesion. So the point here is that I have settled on treating a larger area than is visible. I feel that way it also gets any sub clinical areas that I didn't know were there.

Depending on the area under treatment, on the third or fourth day I may do the leaf/band aid combo or after a good shower and scrubbing I may just apply the sap to the area that is now typically a deeper pit that has been identified and targeted.

If I don't use the leaf I put it in a dropper bottle full of distilled water I keep in the refrigerator. This tincture is like a weakened version of the sap, and sometimes(almost always now) I apply that as insurance as it's healing. I get the tincture so it's almost solid thick with leaves...a lot of leaves, not that much water. I smash the leaves up a little using a tool while inside the bottle. I use an artists paint brush to put the liquid on. If I have a plant that is ready but I have no use for it, I put it in the bottle before it dies because after they shoot off their seeds, they die.

After the third or 4th day, I have enough experience with it now to know if I'm done or if I just want to continue with the sap and no band aid. Using this method, usually the PS has gone deep if it needed to and there is a scab forming. I feel that if the area under treatment forms a quick scab, it's a sign that it's normal tissue and also treating on top of a scab is not effective. I want to be sure I've gotten down as deep as the bad cells go, and after that I'm done. Used in this way with the leaf and band aid, the PS seems to be extremely toxic and fast acting on the suspect cells. The duration depends on where also. Arms and legs longest, head fastest. As a general rule 7-10 days of treatment on the arms and legs and 3-4 on the face and head for me but I've used it enough now that I can tell. I always try to over treat rather than under treat and have used it continuously while an area healed on my leg near my ankle.

I'm currently treating two spots on my arm that recently popped up. I would guess early scc because i've had enough to know what they look and feel like. It has gone deep on one and not as deep on the other smaller one, and the treatment is almost over after 3 days. I'll do one more day of sap with no band aid after a shower, then just use the tincture as it heals up.

I recently experimented with a flat mole on my shoulder (I have a lot of moles) that was starting to spread out some spidery like arms. I didn't like the look of it, I saw a picture of an early melanoma that looked similar. So as an experiment I used the PS on it for a week. My thinking was that if I made it worse or it didn't work, then I'd go see a professional. It didn't look deep or anything and had been that way for a while. I have so many moles and freckles it's impossible to count them all.

So that was about 3 months ago, and today it's the best looking spot on my body. It took out the mole, the spidery look, and it's all clear white skin and you can't even tell anything was ever there. I wish my whole body looked like that. It was an amazing result. My wife works in a dermatologists office and she was amazed. I'm amazed. That was the first and only time so far I've used it on a mole and I know I'm not supposed to do that according to the professionals. All I'm doing is stating what I did, and what happened, in the name of science, or bush doctoring or something.

So I would just like to add a disclaimer that I'm basically experimenting on myself and documenting it here. I'm not suggesting what any one else should do.

I was as desperate and lost as everyone else prior to finding the PS because nothing from the DM worked well and I always had to keep re treating. I'm not claiming to be any kind of doctor or expert either.

I'm a guy that has had a lot of problems with skin cancer and has found a solution that works for me. That said, I can't say enough good about how well PS is working for me. It has literally changed my life. After dreading regular DM visits every six months and a few things cut off every time (I've had melanoma, BCC and SCC) and living in fear, I haven't been there in over 2 years now and I doubt I will ever go again. I'm not suggesting that anyone else do that. I have now successfully treated and resolved (longest non returning about 2 years now) every suspicious area on my body and anytime anything new pops up, it now gets the treatment straight away. Since I keep a stock growing, it's free, it's far more effective on me than anything he had to offer(in my own estimation), relatively painless and no big deal any more. That's no hype, no bs, just my own experience. The PS cures scar free or nearly scar free for me. The only evidence on my body now of skin cancer are stitches and scars from the DM. I make no recommendations and no promises. I don't suggest anyone else experiment on themselves like I'm doing. What you do to yourself is at your own risk, just like me. I could be harming myself in a million different ways I don't even know about, I suppose. I do however feel compelled to share my experience because I know how desperate I was for something that really worked. Maybe it doesn't work this way for everyone, I have no way of knowing. I have never used it on a broad area, only spot treatment. Based on working with it, I would be very hesitant to use it on a broad area. Instead I am ahead of it enough now so I just use in on anything that pops up.

on the plants....

The plants do like cold weather. They are impossible to grow outdoors in south florida in the summer (they sprout but remain in a dwarf state then die) but they do ok in the winter. They like cold weather. Freezing temps (25-30F) and frost are no problem. They actually seem to thrive in that kind of weather of 30 degree mornings and highs in the 60's. I know this because I have grown them or jump started them in pots in a cold climate. They don't like full sun. Full sun will kill them. I have some growing very well right now outside in the shade of a plumeria tree. I jump started them outside with temps below freezing.

They naturally grow in disturbed soil and they like soil that contains a lot of aeration...foam, mulch, etc when grown in a pot. they do not like rich thick compacted soil or sand. They like disturbed soil. I have pretty much confirmed that now by trial and error. My best pot has a lot of foam and a lot of mulch bark mixed in with some potting soil that had foam balls in it. I give them one drop of liquid plant food mixed in with about 20 oz of water when I water them.

Last...I have never felt any systemic effects of any kind....ever. I used it once on a small spot about 3/8 of an inch from my eyeball, and I did feel a little irritation around my eye but no systemic effect. I was very careful not to get any in my eye and used many precautions in that treatment...which was a recurrence of something which had previously been surgically removed. It's gone now. The first time I used it on my forehead I had slight swelling about the size of a silver dollar but no pain and no systemic effect.

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SoFi, I took two plants, some had seeds, and put the whole thing in the juicer. I put the juice in brown bottles and refrigerated them. One small bottle I added a vitamin c, food based. It thickened it up into a nice paste. I just put that on today for testing.But I was wondering how long do you think the sap will stay good in the refrigerator? I thought maybe the vitamin c would help preserve it, but reading up on natural perservitives, it seems like there arn't any, grapefruit seeds are good.Any ideas?

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hi there SoFl... its great to read your posts... i finally found them and they have been really informative reading.

I currently have five bccs that ive dosed once with topical bloodroot on my upper chest. Do you think it would help for me to dose them now with petty surge?? we have copious amounts of it growing here in our garden..we had a gem without realizing it..lol..

Ive already used petty surge on my ear, there is a scaly patch there with slightly swollen tissue around it. ive used the sap about three times in two days. No pain, a little discolouration happening there now as i look at it.

What concerns me now really is the area around my bathers top line.. this is where the sun damage has hit me the greatest..and there are bccs through now as i said. Im currently taking internally bloodroot capsules to clean my system out. I think this is what started the reaction on my chest.

Would it be a good move to put some petty spurge on the bccs that are now showing an inflamed ring around the outside, a white ring and then a black pinhead centre??..one bcc that i have has a large amount of cancer tissue..dead because its white...in one cavity but it wont come out......will petty surge help this one do you think??
I dont know if we are able to put petty surge into a cavity that has formed with cancer inside.

Nothing seems to be straightforward at this point in time for me. I appreciate so much the information that you have shared here...its invaluable, more than you will know......judych

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I just logged in to give a treatment update and document some new procedures.

First of all, I have now treated 20 or more lesions on myself and my dad, some of which were recurrences of previously biopsied and surgically removed bcc and scc. He is 82 and has a history of skin cancer.

I have had a couple of recurrences of spots treated with PS, and upon re treatment they are now gone. I attribute the recurrence to under treatment. There have been times when enough sap was hard to come by. I am going on about 2 years for the first things I treated with no recurrence.

I have no further need to experiment with other treatments. The PS is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more effective than any other treatment I've used prior to finding PS (from surgery to efudex to solaraze to aldara to almost every treatment on this board). Honestly, I don't know how it could work any better of more effectively. I say that because it's fairly quick, relatively painless and has a good end result on me. I have treated my head, lip, eye socket, nose, arms, legs, torso with it. In particular, my lower lip was a painful problem for YEARS and nothing ever cured it. I bit the bullet about a year ago and tried it on my lip. Since that time I feel like I have a new lip. No problems in a year for the first time in 15 years. Previously my lip had surgery (SCC), efudex several times, and solaraze. None of it worked except briefly (6 months or so). Now it feels and looks great.


So I've settled on a "standard" treatment which is very effective for me. It probably tends more to overtreatment rather than undertreatment. I snip one leaf at the base with sharp scissors and wait for the sap to come out of the still attached stem, and let it flow onto a flat bladed dental tool. It is a very small amount that flows onto the tool. I'd guess about 1/4 the size of an average water droplet. I make sure the skin is clean and dry because it absorbs better that way.

I then apply the sap directly to the suspect area, and I cover the area with the leaf I snipped off and a round band aid to top it off.
If the spot is larger I'll use the sap from 2 leafs or the extract from a large leaf if I have one.

I keep it covered for 24 hours, shower, rub off any dead skin and do it again.

By the third day, usually what happens when using this "turbo" treatment is that the area I suspect is cancer now has a deep irregular pit, while the surrounding skin may be severely irritated or maybe even sloughing off the top layer, the PS has targeted the lesion. So the point here is that I have settled on treating a larger area than is visible. I feel that way it also gets any sub clinical areas that I didn't know were there.

Depending on the area under treatment, on the third or fourth day I may do the leaf/band aid combo or after a good shower and scrubbing I may just apply the sap to the area that is now typically a deeper pit that has been identified and targeted.

If I don't use the leaf I put it in a dropper bottle full of distilled water I keep in the refrigerator. This tincture is like a weakened version of the sap, and sometimes(almost always now) I apply that as insurance as it's healing. I get the tincture so it's almost solid thick with leaves...a lot of leaves, not that much water. I smash the leaves up a little using a tool while inside the bottle. I use an artists paint brush to put the liquid on. If I have a plant that is ready but I have no use for it, I put it in the bottle before it dies because after they shoot off their seeds, they die.

After the third or 4th day, I have enough experience with it now to know if I'm done or if I just want to continue with the sap and no band aid. Using this method, usually the PS has gone deep if it needed to and there is a scab forming. I feel that if the area under treatment forms a quick scab, it's a sign that it's normal tissue and also treating on top of a scab is not effective. I want to be sure I've gotten down as deep as the bad cells go, and after that I'm done. Used in this way with the leaf and band aid, the PS seems to be extremely toxic and fast acting on the suspect cells. The duration depends on where also. Arms and legs longest, head fastest. As a general rule 7-10 days of treatment on the arms and legs and 3-4 on the face and head for me but I've used it enough now that I can tell. I always try to over treat rather than under treat and have used it continuously while an area healed on my leg near my ankle.

I'm currently treating two spots on my arm that recently popped up. I would guess early scc because i've had enough to know what they look and feel like. It has gone deep on one and not as deep on the other smaller one, and the treatment is almost over after 3 days. I'll do one more day of sap with no band aid after a shower, then just use the tincture as it heals up.

I recently experimented with a flat mole on my shoulder (I have a lot of moles) that was starting to spread out some spidery like arms. I didn't like the look of it, I saw a picture of an early melanoma that looked similar. So as an experiment I used the PS on it for a week. My thinking was that if I made it worse or it didn't work, then I'd go see a professional. It didn't look deep or anything and had been that way for a while. I have so many moles and freckles it's impossible to count them all.

So that was about 3 months ago, and today it's the best looking spot on my body. It took out the mole, the spidery look, and it's all clear white skin and you can't even tell anything was ever there. I wish my whole body looked like that. It was an amazing result. My wife works in a dermatologists office and she was amazed. I'm amazed. That was the first and only time so far I've used it on a mole and I know I'm not supposed to do that according to the professionals. All I'm doing is stating what I did, and what happened, in the name of science, or bush doctoring or something.

So I would just like to add a disclaimer that I'm basically experimenting on myself and documenting it here. I'm not suggesting what any one else should do.

I was as desperate and lost as everyone else prior to finding the PS because nothing from the DM worked well and I always had to keep re treating. I'm not claiming to be any kind of doctor or expert either.

I'm a guy that has had a lot of problems with skin cancer and has found a solution that works for me. That said, I can't say enough good about how well PS is working for me. It has literally changed my life. After dreading regular DM visits every six months and a few things cut off every time (I've had melanoma, BCC and SCC) and living in fear, I haven't been there in over 2 years now and I doubt I will ever go again. I'm not suggesting that anyone else do that. I have now successfully treated and resolved (longest non returning about 2 years now) every suspicious area on my body and anytime anything new pops up, it now gets the treatment straight away. Since I keep a stock growing, it's free, it's far more effective on me than anything he had to offer(in my own estimation), relatively painless and no big deal any more. That's no hype, no bs, just my own experience. The PS cures scar free or nearly scar free for me. The only evidence on my body now of skin cancer are stitches and scars from the DM. I make no recommendations and no promises. I don't suggest anyone else experiment on themselves like I'm doing. What you do to yourself is at your own risk, just like me. I could be harming myself in a million different ways I don't even know about, I suppose. I do however feel compelled to share my experience because I know how desperate I was for something that really worked. Maybe it doesn't work this way for everyone, I have no way of knowing. I have never used it on a broad area, only spot treatment. Based on working with it, I would be very hesitant to use it on a broad area. Instead I am ahead of it enough now so I just use in on anything that pops up.

on the plants....

The plants do like cold weather. They are impossible to grow outdoors in south florida in the summer (they sprout but remain in a dwarf state then die) but they do ok in the winter. They like cold weather. Freezing temps (25-30F) and frost are no problem. They actually seem to thrive in that kind of weather of 30 degree mornings and highs in the 60's. I know this because I have grown them or jump started them in pots in a cold climate. They don't like full sun. Full sun will kill them. I have some growing very well right now outside in the shade of a plumeria tree. I jump started them outside with temps below freezing.

They naturally grow in disturbed soil and they like soil that contains a lot of aeration...foam, mulch, etc when grown in a pot. they do not like rich thick compacted soil or sand. They like disturbed soil. I have pretty much confirmed that now by trial and error. My best pot has a lot of foam and a lot of mulch bark mixed in with some potting soil that had foam balls in it. I give them one drop of liquid plant food mixed in with about 20 oz of water when I water them.

Last...I have never felt any systemic effects of any kind....ever. I used it once on a small spot about 3/8 of an inch from my eyeball, and I did feel a little irritation around my eye but no systemic effect. I was very careful not to get any in my eye and used many precautions in that treatment...which was a recurrence of something which had previously been surgically removed. It's gone now. The first time I used it on my forehead I had slight swelling about the size of a silver dollar but no pain and no systemic effect.

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i have more questions for you Sofl... You mentioned that petty surge in your experience is better than using many other products...and im thinking of bloodroot paste right now.

Ive used it.. i know that it scarrs a lot. i have scarring on my face that i can do without.. that goes back five years. thats from bcc's being killed off by bloodroot paste.

I want to know a bit more about what happens when the petty spurge kills off the cancer.

AS you know, the bloodroot kills of the cancer cells and then pushes the ischar out of the body... what actually happens to the cancer site with the spurge??... ive not heard anyone mention any ischar or its removal from the site. ...so where does the cancer itself go??......

...Im thinking seriously now of changing over from bloodroot to petty spurge, especially as we have loads of it growing here... and it doesnt sound like it scarrs...

Like i said earlier though, im still on the bloodroot capsules...its a great detox.

Im hoping that the two wont clash..but i dont see how they can.

any info gratefully received. thank you for all your inputs here... its been really good. regards judych

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hi there SoFl... its great to read your posts... i finally found them and they have been really informative reading.

I currently have five bccs that ive dosed once with topical bloodroot on my upper chest. Do you think it would help for me to dose them now with petty surge?? we have copious amounts of it growing here in our garden..we had a gem without realizing it..lol..

Ive already used petty surge on my ear, there is a scaly patch there with slightly swollen tissue around it. ive used the sap about three times in two days. No pain, a little discolouration happening there now as i look at it.

What concerns me now really is the area around my bathers top line.. this is where the sun damage has hit me the greatest..and there are bccs through now as i said. Im currently taking internally bloodroot capsules to clean my system out. I think this is what started the reaction on my chest.

Would it be a good move to put some petty spurge on the bccs that are now showing an inflamed ring around the outside, a white ring and then a black pinhead centre??..one bcc that i have has a large amount of cancer tissue..dead because its white...in one cavity but it wont come out......will petty surge help this one do you think??
I dont know if we are able to put petty surge into a cavity that has formed with cancer inside.

Nothing seems to be straightforward at this point in time for me. I appreciate so much the information that you have shared here...its invaluable, more than you will know......judych

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SoFi, I took two plants, some had seeds, and put the whole thing in the juicer. I put the juice in brown bottles and refrigerated them. One small bottle I added a vitamin c, food based. It thickened it up into a nice paste. I just put that on today for testing.But I was wondering how long do you think the sap will stay good in the refrigerator? I thought maybe the vitamin c would help preserve it, but reading up on natural perservitives, it seems like there arn't any, grapefruit seeds are good.Any ideas?

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Dr. Mercola recommends ASTAXANTHIN to keep olive oil from getting rancid, but it might not work on water based things. I take it for my eyes. It costs about $8 at Swanson Vitamins.

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Judych,
Here's a short version of petty spurge effect on BCC.

Its twofold action against skin cancer cells is pretty ingenious. Almost as though it was specifically designed by nature to do just that. First, PS activates an enzyme called protein kinase that "signals" abnormal (i.e. malignant) cells to kill themselves -- process called apoptosis. Protein kinase actually instructs the cancer cell's own machinery to self-destruct, mainly via initiating rapid internal swelling. Basically, they explode. Their shattered remains are then sloughed off and/or carted away on stretchers by the immune system like any other dead cells in the body. This action happens spontaneously and immediately, on contact. But there is a secondary, longer-term effect, too. Petty spurge incites huge production of neutrophils -- white blood cells of the immune system -- that flood the affected area with a tsunami of tumor-toxic white cells, killing off any residual malignant stragglers over a longer span of time. If you use PS you'll notice oozing of clear fluid, sort of like the stuff that comes out of a blister, and that's what it is. Peplin, the Aus company that had the original patent (now acquired -- unfortunately, perhaps -- by the Dutch pharma giant LEO) did some experiments with mice that were genetically altered so they didn't produce neutrophils. Thus, this secondary action of petty spurge was blocked, though its primary action -- cell suicide -- still worked. These experiments showed that, although the primary action killed the malignancy initially, because the secondary white blood cell response was absent the skin cancer tended to recur. So, this secondary property of PS is very important. All in all, it's a very potent one-two punch against BCC in a single package.
Lots more re this at peplin's site: www.peplin.com Go to Products & Technology > Research

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"PEP005 (ingenol mebutate), or PEP005, ... is a novel compound derived from Euphorbia peplus, or E. peplus, a rapidly growing, readily-available plant, commonly referred to as petty spurge or radium weed."

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I have some updated information based on my continuing research.

- I was initially cutting off a branch and sticking a small paintbrush against the plant side of the branch to extract the sap. I have since found that all I have to do is to cut off a leaf at its base and that is much more efficient and much better. The sap is white but it is fairly viscous. It isn't thick like latex. It's watery like mineral spirits. It absorbs into a brush in an instant. I have also found that the leaves contain the active ingredient and if I don't have enough sap I can mash up a leaf in a teaspoon and add a drop of water and that appears to me to have the same therapeutic effect.

- I have been in contact with someone from Australia who has used it on many occasions, and he told me he used it in a way such that he applied it once a day until the suspect area scabbed over and healed. In other words he used it until there was no more reaction.For me that was important information since I stopped my head treatment after only 3 treatments.

- I have finished off the biopsied bcc on the head. This treatment has had the benefit of removing the biopsy scar and although the area is still peeling (not completely healed) it looks all brand new like nothing ever happened at the site. At this point it looks like an abraision happened. My head seems to heal very fast so I expect within a week there will be no visible evidence of any prior treatment...we'll see.

- I am now using it on what I suspect to be a slow growing SCC on my lower leg. My suspicion is based on having biopsied confirmed ones before. The leg is much less reactive. I have been using it for about a week so far and it has eaten a large crater within the treatment area that now appears to be improving (becoming less reactive). On this one I plan to keep using until there is no more reaction but based on the reaction so far, it has already eaten deeper than my (now ex) dermatologist would have cut out with a knife. It has swollen very slightly but so far it has been completely painless although it looks pretty ugly right now.

-summary...I am ecstatic about this plant. I have at this point abandoned all other treatments and experiments because for me, I believe this is a cure, I just need to do more work to figure out the optimum way to extract and use it. I will continue to post my experience with it.

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Judych,
Here's a short version of petty spurge effect on BCC.

Its twofold action against skin cancer cells is pretty ingenious. Almost as though it was specifically designed by nature to do just that. First, PS activates an enzyme called protein kinase that "signals" abnormal (i.e. malignant) cells to kill themselves -- process called apoptosis. Protein kinase actually instructs the cancer cell's own machinery to self-destruct, mainly via initiating rapid internal swelling. Basically, they explode. Their shattered remains are then sloughed off and/or carted away on stretchers by the immune system like any other dead cells in the body. This action happens spontaneously and immediately, on contact. But there is a secondary, longer-term effect, too. Petty spurge incites huge production of neutrophils -- white blood cells of the immune system -- that flood the affected area with a tsunami of tumor-toxic white cells, killing off any residual malignant stragglers over a longer span of time. If you use PS you'll notice oozing of clear fluid, sort of like the stuff that comes out of a blister, and that's what it is. Peplin, the Aus company that had the original patent (now acquired -- unfortunately, perhaps -- by the Dutch pharma giant LEO) did some experiments with mice that were genetically altered so they didn't produce neutrophils. Thus, this secondary action of petty spurge was blocked, though its primary action -- cell suicide -- still worked. These experiments showed that, although the primary action killed the malignancy initially, because the secondary white blood cell response was absent the skin cancer tended to recur. So, this secondary property of PS is very important. All in all, it's a very potent one-two punch against BCC in a single package.
Lots more re this at peplin's site: www.peplin.com Go to Products & Technology > Research

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Judy, I envy your bumper crop of petty spurge. Here in California you have to coax them up singly out of a pot and even then a lot of them don't thrive.

The best advice I can give is that you are now, like all of us who have tried this, part of the experiment. All you can do is give it a try. I took a "less is more" approach. The full, cumulative reaction of each application is somewhat delayed so, personally, I never used it more than 5 consecutive days. Others have gone longer. And, at some point, you do have to back off and let things heal up so you can evaluate what you've got. After healing, I found no downside to using it again for a second (or third) round if necessary to mop up any leftover hot spots that remained. Works just as well. The good news I think you can derive from posts on this section (if you read back far enough) is that -- as long as you use it sparingly and definitely DO NOT get any in your eyes -- it's not going to go wild on you, or do something drastic like bore a hole down to your bones. It's actually pretty predictable stuff once you start using it. The action of PS does not include ejecting eschars -- it functions as a natural chemotherapeutic which induces the cancer to destroy itself and then be dissolved away by the immune process. So, trying PS after previous use of bloodroot will be a new twist to add to the accumulated knowledge base here.

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Ok, this is not a sales pitch as the product should be avail in your country. We are an registered Australian based biz making and supplying Australian grown neem products to health food shops in Hong Kong. Personally we find that for those stinging little sun cancers, warts and moles and most skin probs either a Neem leaf tincture or a Neem seed oil extract will have a 100% success rate and they will not return. Neem of course has been around for 5000 years or so and its medical uses are well documented.

As previously posted i have a large bcc on the cheek near the ear on the jawbone which is approx 3 yrs old or more. I have tried many things (including PS and including Neem extracts) with limited or zero success.

To be fair, I have young PS plants growing and waiting until they increase in size so i can add more sap more frequently to see if it works.

Talking to a friend who specialises in growing herbs he told me about a friend who had a very large bcc on his scalp. He tried it all including PS without any success. He finally hit the jackpot and cleared this large growth completely using the sap from Euphorbia Tirucalli. Looking on the internet it is dangerous and has caused deaths from ingesting and the sap can be very painful if dropped on the skin.

Just wondered if anyone had or heard of any experiences from this plant.

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Ok, this is not a sales pitch as the product should be avail in your country. We are an registered Australian based biz making and supplying Australian grown neem products to health food shops in Hong Kong. Personally we find that for those stinging little sun cancers, warts and moles and most skin probs either a Neem leaf tincture or a Neem seed oil extract will have a 100% success rate and they will not return. Neem of course has been around for 5000 years or so and its medical uses are well documented.

As previously posted i have a large bcc on the cheek near the ear on the jawbone which is approx 3 yrs old or more. I have tried many things (including PS and including Neem extracts) with limited or zero success.

To be fair, I have young PS plants growing and waiting until they increase in size so i can add more sap more frequently to see if it works.

Talking to a friend who specialises in growing herbs he told me about a friend who had a very large bcc on his scalp. He tried it all including PS without any success. He finally hit the jackpot and cleared this large growth completely using the sap from Euphorbia Tirucalli. Looking on the internet it is dangerous and has caused deaths from ingesting and the sap can be very painful if dropped on the skin.

Just wondered if anyone had or heard of any experiences from this plant.

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I'm confused, what are "stinging little sun cancers"? Are you saying that neem leaf, or neem seed oil will get rid of warts and moles? I have some neem leaf capsules that I have been taking lately, would this work if I make a paste out of it, and apply it to warts and moles?
I started to buy some neem seed oil, but the reviews said it stunk so bad, that I figured I probably wouldn't use it. I was thinking of using it on some AK's that keep reoccurring.
I know this is a petty spurge thread, but I don't have any. I'm a little afraid to try and grow it, because I have 4 cats, and 1 dog, and I'm afraid they might get into it.

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I'm confused, what are "stinging little sun cancers"? Are you saying that neem leaf, or neem seed oil will get rid of warts and moles? I have some neem leaf capsules that I have been taking lately, would this work if I make a paste out of it, and apply it to warts and moles?

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I'm confused, what are "stinging little sun cancers"? Are you saying that neem leaf, or neem seed oil will get rid of warts and moles? I have some neem leaf capsules that I have been taking lately, would this work if I make a paste out of it, and apply it to warts and moles?

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As far as i know they are the little pre-cancerous flakey bits of skin (keratoses) that sometimes sting like hell when touched.

Unfortunately i have no idea of the quality of the neem in your capsules so cannot answer if it would work. Personally i do not stick anything down my throat unless i am 110% sure it is safe and contains no garbage. We have neem trees growing on our property and i take a neem leaf from these every so often and eat them. Very bitter but like most bitter foods extremely good for you. Our neem leaf tincture is extracted into ethanol but you could try making a strong tea out of your capsules and apply to warts and moles. Seems like an expensive way of doing things though. I know there used to be an organic neem plantation based in Florida so perhaps you could check that out.

Regarding Petty Spurge i have only purchased plants recently and am waiting for them to grow big enough and also re-seed so i can take a whole plant out and mash it up to get a decent amount of paste to apply to my bcc and check the results, although i may not need too due to the following.

I think i have made a BIG discovery and hence great progress on getting rid of my bcc. By trying other plants in the same genus as Petty Spurge i found one that seems to have had a dramatic effect on my bcc. It is larger and hence enough sap is extracted from one leaf stem to cover a large area. I applied the sap from (don't know the common or the botanical name) to my bcc. I just let it dribble out over my finger and applied it at about 3pm. I awoke early hours of the morning feeling a wet patch to the area and when i checked the bcc had completely scabbed over. The wet area was where i had rubbed the area on the pillow dislodging some of the scab which caused it to bleed. It had never bled before except when i nicked it while shaving. The scab was black and now three days later it has turned to a sickly yellow so i am waiting patiently to see what is going to happen over the next few days or until the now crusty bits fall off. As i am testing this out i am not adding any other doses until i see what is going on with a single application. No pain or discomfort at all except a little tight where the area has dried.

I also have a small squamous cell on my shoulder and i am now experimenting by adding a few drops of this sap into a natural skin cream that we make which is manuka honey based. It will be interesting to see the results (if any) and how much sap needs to be added to the cream before any results are noted. I applied the first dab a day ago and will wait a couple of days for any changes to appear. If none is apparent i will increase the strength of the mix. Will keep you informed.

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Hi Lilly,

What is the name of the weed / plant you ground up?

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Hi Lilly,

What is the name of the weed / plant you ground up?

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I've just started trying it, and I'm not sure of the results, so I wouldn't want to post that information yet. E-mail me privately with the subject line "cancer forum" and I will give you a link to some information on it.

I've recently started posting on this site, and I wouldn't want anyone to try something I might suggest, for fear they might have a negative result.

If DAN, the owner of this site, would please e-mail me, I would be happy to give him the name of the plant. He could check out the research being done on it for cancer, then he could decide if it's worth posting. Thanks

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Hi Lilly,

What is the name of the weed / plant you ground up?

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I've just started trying it, and I'm not sure of the results, so I wouldn't want to post that information yet. E-mail me privately with the subject line "cancer forum" and I will give you a link to some information on it.

I've recently started posting on this site, and I wouldn't want anyone to try something I might suggest, for fear they might have a negative result.

If DAN, the owner of this site, would please e-mail me, I would be happy to give him the name of the plant. He could check out the research being done on it for cancer, then he could decide if it's worth posting. Thanks

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I spent a coupla hours yesterday trying to identify the euphorbia that seems to be chomping away at my bcc, but as there are over 2000 in the genus it is taking awhile and i haven't hit it yet. I think the thing we have to be careful of is that all euphorbia sap is very toxic and we must be very careful when experimenting, and must not ingest it or accidentaly rub it into our eyes. There have been deaths from ingesting euphorbia sap so make sure that you wash up well.

As i mentioned previously i was told of a person obtaining great success using the sap from euphorbia tirucalli (commonly known as the malabar or pencil tree) on a very large bcc, but it is extremely toxic and will cause great pain for days if accidently dripped on to the skin, and also temporary blindness for a few days if rubbed into the eyes. If you try to shower it off even the diluted sap will cause pain from the parts of the body it touches. I have not used this yet and the sap from the euphorbia i am experimenting with seems mild as it hasn't caused any discomfort which is just as well as i tend to be a slackass and have got the stuff all over my hands when draining from the plant. I have now invested in some plastic gloves!!!!

So, my bcc is now itchy and it looks like one hell of a mess, sort of like a red bloody squishy mash potato mix. I am contemplating putting some t-tree oil on it to dry it up.

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Judy, I envy your bumper crop of petty spurge. Here in California you have to coax them up singly out of a pot and even then a lot of them don't thrive.

The best advice I can give is that you are now, like all of us who have tried this, part of the experiment. All you can do is give it a try. I took a "less is more" approach. The full, cumulative reaction of each application is somewhat delayed so, personally, I never used it more than 5 consecutive days. Others have gone longer. And, at some point, you do have to back off and let things heal up so you can evaluate what you've got. After healing, I found no downside to using it again for a second (or third) round if necessary to mop up any leftover hot spots that remained. Works just as well. The good news I think you can derive from posts on this section (if you read back far enough) is that -- as long as you use it sparingly and definitely DO NOT get any in your eyes -- it's not going to go wild on you, or do something drastic like bore a hole down to your bones. It's actually pretty predictable stuff once you start using it. The action of PS does not include ejecting eschars -- it functions as a natural chemotherapeutic which induces the cancer to destroy itself and then be dissolved away by the immune process. So, trying PS after previous use of bloodroot will be a new twist to add to the accumulated knowledge base here.

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