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Brigid
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 Posted - 11/30/2010 : 23:45:03
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Hi Judych,
Could you say what the five very small cancers that have come through look like? Are they small white bumps? Others, myself included, have noticed those— in my case toward the end of the 3 weeks I treated. I'm not sure whether they're cancer or not. Also, could you say what the zinc cream does and whether there are fragrance chemicals and/or preservatives in it? Thank you!
Good luck with the treatment (and enjoy the break from it.)
Originally posted by judych
hi there waverider and everyone. Well, ive stopped taking bloodroot capsules...stopped about three days ago. Ive used petty spurge about once a day since then.
the cancers are very wet looking, very itchy...but definatley not as inflamed as before. Ive noticed that about five very small cancers have come through, and im imagining that taking the bloodroot capsules have literally pushed even very small amounts of bccs out through my dermal layers.... which is great.(better out than in in my book..lol..)
At the moment i have about 8 bccs, in varying sizes, at least three of them deep, on my upper chest... not nice. anyway, im going away tomorrow so Im just going to have a complete break from any treatment, I will just put zinc cream on them. when i have any more news i will give you an update. judych
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Originally posted by waverider[/i]
Judy, I envy your bumper crop of petty spurge. Here in California you have to coax them up singly out of a pot and even then a lot of them don't thrive.
The best advice I can give is that you are now, like all of us who have tried this, part of the experiment. All you can do is give it a try. I took a "less is more" approach. The full, cumulative reaction of each application is somewhat delayed so, personally, I never used it more than 5 consecutive days. Others have gone longer. And, at some point, you do have to back off and let things heal up so you can evaluate what you've got. After healing, I found no downside to using it again for a second (or third) round if necessary to mop up any leftover hot spots that remained. Works just as well. The good news I think you can derive from posts on this section (if you read back far enough) is that -- as long as you use it sparingly and definitely DO NOT get any in your eyes -- it's not going to go wild on you, or do something drastic like bore a hole down to your bones. It's actually pretty predictable stuff once you start using it. The action of PS does not include ejecting eschars -- it functions as a natural chemotherapeutic which induces the cancer to destroy itself and then be dissolved away by the immune process. So, trying PS after previous use of bloodroot will be a new twist to add to the accumulated knowledge base here.
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Brigid
60 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2010 : 21:50:26
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Here's my update: After 3 weeks of using the PS, the pre-cancer on nose and other side of upper lip from original tumor and what looked like a scaly bcc above eyebrow gone! Or so far anyway. The scaly one was gotten rid of by 6 weeks of coconut oil.
Day 1 of round 2 of the PS today after a month off. Original tumor eruptions still there. Coconut oil lit them up and the areas around my nostrils I suspected were still harboring cells. The oil's a great indicator for me anyway. Hope some others find it useful for that as well.
Big patch of swollen red from nostril to above lip 10 hours after applying the PS sap. 1" wide just above lip. I'm considering running for Miss Spurgiverse. Tumor eruptions less reactive. Last time they took a few days to light up.
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judych
Australia
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Posted - 12/05/2010 : 00:55:40
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hi there Brigid.. sorry for the delay, ive been away. O.k...well, my situation was a little different because i took bloodroot internally, and that caused the cancers to erupt. Bloodroot pushes the cancers into a white mass thats easily seen in whats basically very much like an ulcer. Lots of inflammation around the outside. These white areas, that i knew were cancers, didnt want to come out completely and i had a lot of bother and days and days of trying to keep them moist all the time so they would eventually come out. In the end, because there were so many of them and they were so painful, i used petty spurge to get rid of them. They dissolved but its taken them weeks to do this.
One thing. I took the bloodroot because i wasnt sure just how deep the cancer cells were in my breasts, and wasnt all that confident that the petty spurge would be able to draw it all out. After all, i had no eruptions on the surface to starte with at all. Just itchy in the breast tissue.
The bloodroot capsules worked deep in side the tissue bringing it to the surface so i could put the petty spurge onto it. The whole thing was a painful episode, because all at once five cancers came through, and i had to deal with them all at once.
They are well on the way to healing over now...im just using agrimony on them now twice a day to help with the healing and drying up.
the zinc cream was just a cream taht i had here. Its natural and seems to work really well with most skin eruptions. I believe that zinc is a great healer for the skin.
ive jsut looked at the label on the zinc. Its got zinc oxide, peanut oil, castor oil, cetostearyl alcohol and beeswax white. not sure waht the cetostearyl is....perhaps you could do a search on it??
judych
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Originally posted by Brigid
Hi Judych,
Could you say what the five very small cancers that have come through look like? Are they small white bumps? Others, myself included, have noticed those— in my case toward the end of the 3 weeks I treated. I'm not sure whether they're cancer or not. Also, could you say what the zinc cream does and whether there are fragrance chemicals and/or preservatives in it? Thank you!
Good luck with the treatment (and enjoy the break from it.)
Originally posted by judych
hi there waverider and everyone. Well, ive stopped taking bloodroot capsules...stopped about three days ago. Ive used petty spurge about once a day since then.
the cancers are very wet looking, very itchy...but definatley not as inflamed as before. Ive noticed that about five very small cancers have come through, and im imagining that taking the bloodroot capsules have literally pushed even very small amounts of bccs out through my dermal layers.... which is great.(better out than in in my book..lol..)
At the moment i have about 8 bccs, in varying sizes, at least three of them deep, on my upper chest... not nice. anyway, im going away tomorrow so Im just going to have a complete break from any treatment, I will just put zinc cream on them. when i have any more news i will give you an update. judych
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Originally posted by waverider[/i]
Judy, I envy your bumper crop of petty spurge. Here in California you have to coax them up singly out of a pot and even then a lot of them don't thrive.
The best advice I can give is that you are now, like all of us who have tried this, part of the experiment. All you can do is give it a try. I took a "less is more" approach. The full, cumulative reaction of each application is somewhat delayed so, personally, I never used it more than 5 consecutive days. Others have gone longer. And, at some point, you do have to back off and let things heal up so you can evaluate what you've got. After healing, I found no downside to using it again for a second (or third) round if necessary to mop up any leftover hot spots that remained. Works just as well. The good news I think you can derive from posts on this section (if you read back far enough) is that -- as long as you use it sparingly and definitely DO NOT get any in your eyes -- it's not going to go wild on you, or do something drastic like bore a hole down to your bones. It's actually pretty predictable stuff once you start using it. The action of PS does not include ejecting eschars -- it functions as a natural chemotherapeutic which induces the cancer to destroy itself and then be dissolved away by the immune process. So, trying PS after previous use of bloodroot will be a new twist to add to the accumulated knowledge base here.
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Lily44
USA
38 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2010 : 02:07:50
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Originally posted by Brigid
Here's my update: After 3 weeks of using the PS, the pre-cancer on nose and other side of upper lip from original tumor and what looked like a scaly bcc above eyebrow gone! Or so far anyway. The scaly one was gotten rid of by 6 weeks of coconut oil.
Day 1 of round 2 of the PS today after a month off. Original tumor eruptions still there. Coconut oil lit them up and the areas around my nostrils I suspected were still harboring cells. The oil's a great indicator for me anyway. Hope some others find it useful for that as well.
My 95 year old mother, who has a history of skin cancer, used coconut oil on her face for about 4 months. Her face at times looked blistered. I believe she was getting rid of AK's, she just thought she was allergenic to it. She's still dealing with a cancer, that was about the size of a dime, now it's about half that size.
She looks like she's had a face peel. The people at church call her "pretty woman". She practically has no wrinkles. She won't use coconut oil anymore, she uses olive oil on her face.
She's using HER OWN concoction on her skin cancer. It's a mixture of zinc baby diaper rash cream, white willow bark, vitamin D-3,
vitamin B-12, and some EGGPLANT EXTRACT capsules from Swanson's. She wanted CURADERM, but didn't want to pay over $100 for it.
I've been dealing with skin cancer for about 4 years. I thought I was managing it. I decided to try the new APRICOT KERNEL oil
I had bought. Most people on iherb.com gave it good reviews.
Well, I broke out in what looks like pimples, but only on the side where I had cancer on my face, plus a few pimples behind both ears
and a few on my neck. I believe it is diagnosing cancer. I have the TKO ORANGE OIL, but it has no reaction on these places. This past
week I have used many things on that side of my face. I'm determined to wipe this stuff out. I've tried so many things, that if something
works, I won't know what did work. The right side of my face looks like a burn victim, with a bad case of acne, and one bad crusted over spot.
I've got to try and let my face heal for a few days, enough that maybe I can cover it with bandaids, and make-up. I've got to make a
quick trip to WAL-MART'S, and pick up some necessities. Needless to say I'll probably go about midnight, to try and avoid everybody. Good
luck to you, and I hope we all find the answers we need to solve this awful problem of skin cancer. |
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Brigid
60 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2010 : 12:15:14
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Aloe softened scabs from Petty Spurge
Aloe's a burn remedy, so I bought a big aloe vera branch from supermarket. Cut of the rind and applied strips of the gel to above lip and around nostrils. I got total and immediate relief from burning. Found it stuck to my face. After 20 minutes I took off the aloe and saw that the hard scabs and skin underneath had softened, bubbled and turned white in some areas. It still felt great. I poulticed it (taped it on) and went to bed. I woke up an hour and a half later with burning, took the tape off, and saw that the areas were dry and red again. (For the record, the burning has kept me up on and off the last two nights, so it wasn't the aloe that woke me.) From now on, I"m going to apply aloe first for 20 - 30 minutes to soften the scabs before applying the spurge. I agree with everyone who's posted about scabs that success rests in getting the PS sap through them.
I'm treating a sensitive area of the face near lip and nostrils. I've found that the first few days are just minor stinging but by day 4 or 5, it becomes burning and then on subsequent days there can be occasional deeper pain. What I've found helpful for pain is:
* homeopathic bellaonna
* aloe
* ice
* olive oil
* eating ginger (the last 3 are anti-inflammatory.)
* being outside in the cold! The weather has obliged this week, with temps in the 20s here.
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opalxx
Australia
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Posted - 12/13/2010 : 17:31:35
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Hi Folks. Well my concoction of an unknown euphorbia sap dripped into a natural cream that we make has shown results but i am not sure whether good or bad. I have been applying the mix to the large bcc on my lower cheek with marked results but at the moment not sure if good or bad. Ditto on the scc on my shoulder.
The bcc and scc seems to be breaking down with the mix and the bcc is bleeding all over the place. Something it has not done previously over the 4 years that i have had it. Silly me for not knocking it on the head when it was an infant!! My partner is currently washing pillows and sheets and pillow cases trying to remove the blood stains.
Because it now looks very daggy and messy i will stop treatment and apply t-tree oil on it to dry it up and make it look more presentable around the Christmas dinner table. Certainly do not want to put people off their food.
I was thinking that if this mix works and if a couple of you ladies have a bcc or scc that you can't get rid of then i can post you a little cream to try. Perhaps you may have a positive good result from it but it will have to be at your own risk. You will have to wait though until i see if my treatment has pos or negative results on myself so will be a couple of weeks or so. I have been thinking of jacking things up with a couple of more drops of the sap as of course it is all trial and error.
It seemingly works well on those little flaky pre cancerous stinging spots as mine has gone from my face, but as i mentioned before, neem works well on these as well.
Anyway, mail me if you are interested.
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judych
Australia
31 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2010 : 19:29:34
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well...here is an update on my bccs. I used bloodroot internally with capsules, then used petty spurge on the exposed bccs .. all on my chest.
The five bccs are clearing up now but slow. Ive had an itching sensation further along the top of my right breast, so i put some petty spurge on there as well. There wasnt any new eruptions but the area was very close to previous bccs ..
I came out very red over the whole area...but im not sure whether it was due to a band aid or a petty spurge reaction...so Ive just left it along..
any suggestions as to what i do next?? im not convinced that the bccs are all gone yet.. Because so many came through at once, im reluctant to take more internal bloodroot, especially over christmas and with warmer weather here...but if i have to, i will do that.
Does anyone have any suggestions here?? im a bit confused at the moment. Im confident that the bccs will all be dealt with, i jsut want the most comfy way of doing it.....
Should i try petty spurge again??.. the area that was red and itchy, that im talking about, has lost its scabs now, still red though and dry flaking skin around the outside.
the scarring on the other healed bccs is considerable, but i take it that the bloodroot did that... Im hoping that these will go in time. |
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Lily44
USA
38 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2010 : 01:16:47
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[quote]Originally posted by judych
well...here is an update on my bccs. I used bloodroot internally with capsules, then used petty spurge on the exposed bccs .. all on my chest.
The five bccs are clearing up now but slow. Ive had an itching sensation further along the top of my right breast, so i put some petty spurge on there as well. There wasnt any new eruptions but the area was very close to previous bccs ..
I came out very red over the whole area...but im not sure whether it was due to a band aid or a petty spurge reaction...so Ive just left it along..
any suggestions as to what i do next?? im not convinced that the bccs are all gone yet.. Because so many came through at once, im reluctant to take more internal bloodroot, especially over christmas and with warmer weather here...but if i have to, i will do that.
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I've never taken, or used bloodroot, but was wondering if it pushed the cancers to the surface, why wouldn't it complete the job and push them out?
I would be afraid to take it, afraid it would push some cancers out that I would rather not know about. I'm just going to assume that from the crappy way I've been feeling lately, and the re-occurance of some of my skin cancers, that I probably do have some kind of internal issues. I'm going to AMAZON and order some cancer books, and I've already started taking several things for cancer. |
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Lily44
USA
38 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2010 : 02:17:16
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Originally posted by opalxx
Hi Folks. Well my concoction of an unknown euphorbia sap dripped into a natural cream that we make has shown results but i am not sure whether good or bad. I have been applying the mix to the large bcc on my lower cheek with marked results but at the moment not sure if good or bad. Ditto on the scc on my shoulder.
The bcc and scc seems to be breaking down with the mix and the bcc is bleeding all over the place. Something it has not done previously over the 4 years that i have had it. Silly me for not knocking it on the head when it was an infant!! My partner is currently washing pillows and sheets and pillow cases trying to remove the blood stains.
Because it now looks very daggy and messy i will stop treatment and apply t-tree oil on it to dry it up and make it look more presentable around the Christmas dinner table. Certainly do not want to put people off their food.
I was thinking that if this mix works and if a couple of you ladies have a bcc or scc that you can't get rid of then i can post you a little cream to try. Perhaps you may have a positive good result from it but it will have to be at your own risk. You will have to wait though until i see if my treatment has pos or negative results on myself so will be a couple of weeks or so. I have been thinking of jacking things up with a couple of more drops of the sap as of course it is all trial and error.
It seemingly works well on those little flaky pre cancerous stinging spots as mine has gone from my face, but as i mentioned before, neem works well on these as well.
Anyway, mail me if you are interested.
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I'm glad you're having good results, I may take you up on your offer, for the cream. We need all the help we can get. In answer to the question you asked me.
You have your NEEM trees, we have our MAGNOLIA trees, the state flower of the great state I live in, LOUISIANA.
(My quote from Nov 29, 2010 post)
"I was reading about a new prostate cure, (from a plant). They said it might be good for other cancers as well. It's been used for centuries in China, for other medical conditions. The variety I have in my yard, contains the same 2 main things as the Chinese variety.
The articles I read said it was "non toxic".
There are many articles on the internet about magnolia trees.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3322319/Threat-to-medicines-from-plant-extinctions.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-07/euhs-esf071503.php
http://www.herbalextractsplus.com/magnolia-bark.cfm
The NEW GREEN MIX I was using was from MAGNOLIA GRANDIFLORA. I'm afraid I only had limited results. I think it's like everything else and it can't penetrate the skin deeply enough. I tried something new 2 days ago. I'm not sure if it's eating the cancer up, or just eating my skin, and causing a bad allergic reaction. I will probably start a NEW TOPIC about it, one way or the other.
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judych
Australia
31 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2010 : 02:23:50
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yes, you are right, the bloodroot does push the cancers out... but i had at least five bccs come out along the top of my bust, just where the bra line crosses, and it was very painful.
They would have taken weeks to come out completely so i hurried it along a bit by using spurge. the spurge just dissolved the dead ischars in the ulcers that i had.
it wasnt a pleasant experience, believe me, but only because they all came out at once. This is why i used spurge. I couldnt cope with so many taking weeks to come out completely.
Plus the fact i had to keep each one moist for ages due to the length of time it was taking. This is why i changed my tactics.
I think taking bloodroot is very good. Its not an easy ride but it sure does do the job.
the deepest cancers are dealt with this way.
Also, its a wonderful tonic, very powerful but very good. I tell you, Ive never felt so good as i do now.
Im just waiting for the sores to heal up completely on my bust.
There is one area now that im not real sure about. I may just try petty spurge on a fresh area to see if i react badly to it. If i do, then maybe the last area that i have is only local skin reaction. Im not sure.
Im definately going to take bloodroot capsules at least three times a year.
Im on it again once christmas is over with. So long as i take plenty of water in for the kidneys it should deal very well with any growths that may be deeper inside my body.Dont be scared of it. If there is cancer deep within it needs to come out.
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Originally posted by Lily44
[quote]Originally posted by judych
well...here is an update on my bccs. I used bloodroot internally with capsules, then used petty spurge on the exposed bccs .. all on my chest.
The five bccs are clearing up now but slow. Ive had an itching sensation further along the top of my right breast, so i put some petty spurge on there as well. There wasnt any new eruptions but the area was very close to previous bccs ..
I came out very red over the whole area...but im not sure whether it was due to a band aid or a petty spurge reaction...so Ive just left it along..
any suggestions as to what i do next?? im not convinced that the bccs are all gone yet.. Because so many came through at once, im reluctant to take more internal bloodroot, especially over christmas and with warmer weather here...but if i have to, i will do that.
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I've never taken, or used bloodroot, but was wondering if it pushed the cancers to the surface, why wouldn't it complete the job and push them out?
I would be afraid to take it, afraid it would push some cancers out that I would rather not know about. I'm just going to assume that from the crappy way I've been feeling lately, and the re-occurance of some of my skin cancers, that I probably do have some kind of internal issues. I'm going to AMAZON and order some cancer books, and I've already started taking several things for cancer.
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Houston
USA
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Posted - 12/30/2010 : 02:07:18
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Hi - I'm also in Houston and would like to know where to find dandelions as well as petty spurge. I participated in the Peplin test group here and had excellent results in the test area, and now I'd like to treat the other areas. Thank you.
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I am about 5 hours after the second application. So far I do not see evidence of dried blood. The scab this time is about the color of a dark freckle. Prior application the scab turned dark after first turning this dark freckle color.
I did deviate from protocol. Dandelions are difficult to find in Houston this time of year. I therefore put on some other latex weed substances, thistle and another common weed that looks like lettuce on a pole but has prickly spines on the end of the leaf. After the application of these other plants I located a source of supply for dandelions that is close to home so I can simply walk there every day and treat the BCC.
I rationalize that the scab that is forming, when not dark, is dead cells. Since these plant secretions do not cause this effect on healthy skin these must be attacking the BCC.
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waverider
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Posted - 12/30/2010 : 13:58:25
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Houston,
Most people here in the states end up having to order Petty Spurge seeds from one source, in Australia:
http://www.beautanicals.com.au/Petty%20spurge.html
Takes about two weeks to get them.
On the other hand, it does grow wild in N.A. and you might be lucky enough to stumble into some. A local university botanical dept might host an online rare plant finder, a directory of local sightings of unusual plants, these days often including GPS coordinates of sightings.
Most gardeners consider PS a troublesome weed they'd rather get rid of, so nurseries don't keep it on hand because it seeds and spreads very prolifically.
Recently here in L.A., I visited a home up in the hills in a deep canyon that only gets a few hours of direct sun this time of year. In a sheltered, neglected area on one side of the yard, very moist from all the rain we've had this year, a mother lode of petty spurge was growing wild amidst an assortment of rocks and discarded firewood. By now, I know the plant well and can I.D. it on sight. Fortunately I've got a good crop growing at home this year (from AUS seeds) so I resisted the temptation to ask the homeowner if I could return with a garden trowel and start digging! But it shows that PS does indeed pop up in places here and there, spontaneously. |
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marsha
USA
122 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2010 : 21:10:51
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judych
Australia
31 Posts |
Posted - 12/30/2010 : 21:53:46
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Id like to know about it as well.. thanks judych
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Houston, could you give more detail on your participation in the peplan test group?
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judych
Australia
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Posted - 01/08/2011 : 06:15:47
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I think its about time i did an update. Ive been using petty spurge on bccs that have come through the topside of my breasts.So far Ive treated about seven, they are ranging right across the line where I would have been burnt from the sun.. just about the bikini/bra line.
The first bccs that i treated with spurge have healed, there is quite a bit of scarring. the whole area is very itchy with a tendancy to go into a rash. Ive been using strong spurge, i found some huge spurge in the garden and im assuming that the sap is more toxic. Tonight im itchy between my breats at the top, Ive just put calamine lotion on the area to sooth it. shgould i just give the whole area a break from the spurge do you think??..
One area of bcc that had a large amount of scar tissue has erupted again, with smaller bccs coming out around it.( one of the first areas)
AS well as that, i have another bcc which is now quite large on the other breast. Ive been treating this one for the last week. Im not sure at what point to stop using spurge. Can someone advise me on this one please?? what should i do ??there is a scab, its not messy, in fact its quite dry.Its still very itchy though.
Is the itch normal if the bcc is healed??
.. the other bccs Im treating are a lot smaller. I dont think they will be a problem. Im sure that these came up as a result of the near proximity of the spurge treatment in the same area.. There isnt much room between the bccs really.
Im going to keep using spurge until the small bccs are cleared up... hopefully another week. Then im goign to have a rest from spurge . Is there anything else i could use after stopping spurge??
Im hoping to go back onto another internal course of bloodroot capsules, as my liver could do with a post christmas tonic.. If there is anything deeper in my breast tissue then maybe it will be revealed then??. Im not sure what may be happening deeper inside the breasts... i would like to know. I wont be starting the bloodroot capsules for another couple of weeks.
Anyway, this is me up to date. I will keep you posted. judy
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Id like to know about it as well.. thanks judych
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Houston, could you give more detail on your participation in the peplan test group?
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LookRadiant
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Posted - 01/11/2011 : 12:01:56
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I am new to this site... I have a light red spot that has grown to about an inch. I have had it for about 20 years now. It used to be under my right eyebrow and a scaly patch about the size of a pencil eraser. Only in the last few months did I notice it growing. It's not scaly nor is it dark red nor is it above the skin.
I realize you are not doctors, just wondering if it sounds like cancer. I do not use conventional doctors... so I just ordered the black drawing ointment to apply....
thanks,
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judych
Australia
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Posted - 01/11/2011 : 18:44:46
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hi lookradient. just read your post. How far under your eyebrow is the area you are talking about??..its not near the eyelid is it??
I use bloodroot paste. Is this what you are talking about??.... Ive been using it in various places on my face and on my upper chest for many years now.
Ive also used it in conjunction with other things as well... Im going to email you privately on it... judych
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Originally posted by LookRadiant
I am new to this site... I have a light red spot that has grown to about an inch. I have had it for about 20 years now. It used to be under my right eyebrow and a scaly patch about the size of a pencil eraser. Only in the last few months did I notice it growing. It's not scaly nor is it dark red nor is it above the skin.
I realize you are not doctors, just wondering if it sounds like cancer. I do not use conventional doctors... so I just ordered the black drawing ointment to apply....
thanks,
LookRadiant
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janagain
USA
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 15:56:21
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| I wanted to give my take on growing Petty Spurge, as some have indicated trouble getting it to germinate/grow. I initially got some seeds from a very nice person on this site and couldn't get them to germinate at all. So I bought them from the Aussie website. I live in the Phoenix area where it is very hot in the summer. I have a north facing patio where I started the seeds last summer when it was VERY hot--over 110 degrees for weeks. The seeds came up, I watered them daily and with some benign neglect they prospered. I haven't had a bcc to use them on, but offered to try to get rid of a wart on the toe of a friend which was the size of a small pea! He had this growth for years. After three or four applications he went for a pedicure and when it was rubbed with a file, the wart completely fell off. Gone! The plants continue to thrive with little care, even though the temperatures are now in the 30s and my patio is getting no direct sunlight at all. So, the PS seems to grow with little effort in hot, cold, sunny, shady climate. The one thing I do is make sure the soil never completely dries out, and I amended the soil with the granule things that hold water. After six months, I have yet to see any flowers or seeds and am wondering why not....? I do not have a green thumb yet am living proof the PS can be grown with little effort. |
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waverider
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 21:44:51
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Posted - 01/26/2011 : 21:57:34
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Janagain:
PS is classified as a "winter annual": Grows all winter, seeds in early summer, then rapidly wilts and keels over and dies. I wouldn't expect to see it seed until after May or so, even in PHX. It really spreads those seeds, too. They lie dormant on/in the ground until cool autumn weather and moisture signal them to germinate. With last year's crop, when fall came I had PS popping up all over the place on my patio -- in cracks in the concrete, behind a water heater, in cactus pots -- from seeds that had lodged there back during the summer. I found one sprouting all the way in the front yard, over the house and about 25 yards from where the original plants were growing in back. |
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Jul
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Posted - 02/01/2011 : 21:30:51
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SoFl, I have been following your posts for sometime. I live in S. Florida and I have been having little success in growing ps. I have 10 bcc on my face and I am a young female. I have tried many things with little success and would love to contact you directly. Please email me as I would love to speak with you and get some ps from you if possible. You send me an email under my contact info.
Thanks so much in advance for your time.
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SoFi, I took two plants, some had seeds, and put the whole thing in the juicer. I put the juice in brown bottles and refrigerated them. One small bottle I added a vitamin c, food based. It thickened it up into a nice paste. I just put that on today for testing.But I was wondering how long do you think the sap will stay good in the refrigerator? I thought maybe the vitamin c would help preserve it, but reading up on natural perservitives, it seems like there arn't any, grapefruit seeds are good.Any ideas?
Dr. Mercola recommends ASTAXANTHIN to keep olive oil from getting rancid, but it might not work on water based things. I take it for my eyes. It costs about $8 at Swanson Vitamins.
I have one bottle of the tincture that is about a year old. The leaves inside have turned a darker green but it doesn't smell funny and I'm still using it. I keep it in the refrigerator (in the door so it doesn't freeze). In the mean time, I'm building a new batch how.
The base I used was distilled water with collodial silver added in order to prevent bacteria or spoilage. I do not believe that collodial silver has any action on the cancer (I had experimented with that in the past), it's just used to prevent spoilage. The reason I used it is because I have found that if I spray it on fresh fruit from the store, it doesn't spoil or mold.
I have never tried to use an oil base for the tincture, since the sap is water based. I would think that an alcohol base would be better than an oil base, but I like the water base.
I also used plain distilled water once and kept that for 3 months or so with no problems.
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Posted - 02/02/2011 : 12:08:13
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If your skin is sensitive to chemicals to begin with you might want to avoid alcohol. But I'd probably tincture it in alcohol for a couple of reasons: a) it will last much longer than a water-based mixture b) it's the most powerful process, drawing the most benefit out of the plant, and c) you don't have to preserve it. You can boil the alcohol off before using the tincture.
For a tincture, as opposed to a poultice (which is water-based and has all the plant parts in it), strain the plant material out after however long you tincture it (6 weeks for most tinctures, but I'd google that to be sure) and then just before you use it each time, put the liquid in a small pot at a rolling boil, and boil the alcohol off for about 3 minutes, uncovered. If I'm only using a small amount of any tincture I add a little water to it before boiling it. (You don't want to let the tincture completely evaporate.) This is a fairly common practice for all kinds of herbal tinctures. My guess is that both the water and the alcohol evaporate leaving the medicinal parts alone, as they're heavier. If that's true, there'd be no dilution or reduced effects of the herb's benefits.
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SoFl, I have been following your posts for sometime. I live in S. Florida and I have been having little success in growing ps. I have 10 bcc on my face and I am a young female. I have tried many things with little success and would love to contact you directly. Please email me as I would love to speak with you and get some ps from you if possible. You send me an email under my contact info.
Thanks so much in advance for your time.
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Originally posted by marsha
SoFi, I took two plants, some had seeds, and put the whole thing in the juicer. I put the juice in brown bottles and refrigerated them. One small bottle I added a vitamin c, food based. It thickened it up into a nice paste. I just put that on today for testing.But I was wondering how long do you think the sap will stay good in the refrigerator? I thought maybe the vitamin c would help preserve it, but reading up on natural perservitives, it seems like there arn't any, grapefruit seeds are good.Any ideas?
Dr. Mercola recommends ASTAXANTHIN to keep olive oil from getting rancid, but it might not work on water based things. I take it for my eyes. It costs about $8 at Swanson Vitamins.
I have one bottle of the tincture that is about a year old. The leaves inside have turned a darker green but it doesn't smell funny and I'm still using it. I keep it in the refrigerator (in the door so it doesn't freeze). In the mean time, I'm building a new batch how.
The base I used was distilled water with collodial silver added in order to prevent bacteria or spoilage. I do not believe that collodial silver has any action on the cancer (I had experimented with that in the past), it's just used to prevent spoilage. The reason I used it is because I have found that if I spray it on fresh fruit from the store, it doesn't spoil or mold.
I have never tried to use an oil base for the tincture, since the sap is water based. I would think that an alcohol base would be better than an oil base, but I like the water base.
I also used plain distilled water once and kept that for 3 months or so with no problems.
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Alexis Fecteau
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Posted - 02/03/2011 : 02:16:05
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Hi, I grew and used Euphorbia Peplus last summer for a small bcc on my arm with excellent results. Had a bcc removed from my forehead last year that caused a huge staph infection and I want to now use petty spurge on it to make sure it is all clean.
What is the best way to grow it in winter with limited sunlight like it is up here in Seattle? I have seeds harvested from my plants, which I originally grew from Beautanicals seeds.
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waverider
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Posted - 02/03/2011 : 19:25:49
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Nice to see another positive report added. I don't know how late in the season you can get PS to sprout through normal means because, as a winter annual, they are programmed to drop dead in the summer heat. You might want to plant some without delay, as they need a cold season to germinate. Normally, you'd want to plant PS in the fall. I would probably save some seeds and, if you don't get growth from the regular planting now, pre-germinate the other seeds in baggies in the refrigerator, then plant them in pots after they start to sprout in the 'frig. That's one way to get around planting out of season. It sort of fools the seeds.
My experience (in CA) with PS is that they do best in low sunlight and moist weather/cooler temps. I didn't lose any to the month of heavy rains we had but almost lost a few in just one week of dry, hot sun. |
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Alexis Fecteau
USA
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Posted - 02/05/2011 : 14:19:52
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Mine did really well in the spring and really went crazy once I put them outside, might have been from the nightly dew so I could replicate with misting.
I plan to get them going shortly, and have about 300 seeds I harvested from my plants last time.
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Brigid
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 00:17:00
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Does anyone know what page on the Petty Spurge Forum or what approximate date a few people posted about *combined treatments* with petty spurge and a couple of other substances? I want to go that route but can't locate the posts. I just read through all of pages 6 & 7 on the PS Forum. Thought they were from around December 2010 (maybe November?). The PS Forum has gotten so big, it's hard to read all the posts to find one. Is there a search by subject feature? I haven't seen one, but am not very computer-savvy so might have missed it. If anyone remembers where these posts are, I'd really appreciate hearing! I'm about to start round three of the Petty Spurge, and hoping to combine it with whatever it was.
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Alexis Fecteau
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 00:55:24
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I haven't seen a petty spurge combo with anything else. I saw cymilium and vit C elsewhere but no combos here. The petty spurge seems to work extremely well. Have you tried it and not found good results?
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judych
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 17:54:11
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hi Brigid... it may have been me... well, i was one who tried a mix. I took bloodroot capsules ... then when the bccs started to come through i used petty spurge.. if you want any more info just email me privetly and i will go through it again for you...judy
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Originally posted by Brigid
Does anyone know what page on the Petty Spurge Forum or what approximate date a few people posted about *combined treatments* with petty spurge and a couple of other substances? I want to go that route but can't locate the posts. I just read through all of pages 6 & 7 on the PS Forum. Thought they were from around December 2010 (maybe November?). The PS Forum has gotten so big, it's hard to read all the posts to find one. Is there a search by subject feature? I haven't seen one, but am not very computer-savvy so might have missed it. If anyone remembers where these posts are, I'd really appreciate hearing! I'm about to start round three of the Petty Spurge, and hoping to combine it with whatever it was.
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Posted - 02/06/2011 : 18:06:27
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hi Brigid... it may have been me... well, i was one who tried a mix. I took bloodroot capsules ... then when the bccs started to come through i used petty spurge.. if you want any more info just email me privetly and i will go through it again for you...judy
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Originally posted by Brigid
Does anyone know what page on the Petty Spurge Forum or what approximate date a few people posted about *combined treatments* with petty spurge and a couple of other substances? I want to go that route but can't locate the posts. I just read through all of pages 6 & 7 on the PS Forum. Thought they were from around December 2010 (maybe November?). The PS Forum has gotten so big, it's hard to read all the posts to find one. Is there a search by subject feature? I haven't seen one, but am not very computer-savvy so might have missed it. If anyone remembers where these posts are, I'd really appreciate hearing! I'm about to start round three of the Petty Spurge, and hoping to combine it with whatever it was.
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SoFl
USA
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 09:30:25
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PS cured 41 of 48 skin cancers in a recent clinical trial with 3 days of treatment. This is not pseudo science, it's the cure.
I have three more recent successes bringing my personal total to over 30 successful treatments.
Common weed petty spurge 'could treat' skin cancer
25 January 2011
By Michelle Roberts Health reporter, BBC News
Sap from the common garden weed petty spurge appears to treat non-melanoma skin cancers, experts are reporting in the British Journal of Dermatology.
The study involved 36 of such patients who collectively had a total of 48 non-melanoma lesions. Each was treated with the sap of the petty spurge plant, or Euphorbia peplus, which was applied to the skin once a day for three days. The plant sap has been used for centuries as a traditional medicine, and the researchers wanted to put it through its paces in a proper clinical trial. After a one month, 41 of the 48 cancers had shown a complete clinical response to the treatment, meaning no trace of the tumour could be found on clinical examination.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12275507
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SoFl
USA
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 09:41:20
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Originally posted by Alexis Fecteau
Hi, I grew and used Euphorbia Peplus last summer for a small bcc on my arm with excellent results. Had a bcc removed from my forehead last year that caused a huge staph infection and I want to now use petty spurge on it to make sure it is all clean.
What is the best way to grow it in winter with limited sunlight like it is up here in Seattle? I have seeds harvested from my plants, which I originally grew from Beautanicals seeds.
Alexis Fecteau
Hi Alexis.
My biggest difficulty has been keeping a stock of plants going. I too originally grew from the Beautanicals seeds but now I also have my own seed stockpile. There have been some good posts in this thread about growing, but I have found there are three keys...
-they say it grows naturally in "disturbed soil" I have found that this best translates to aerated soil with a lot of debris in it like foam or wood chips, etc. It doesn't do very well in solid packed dirt.
-the plants don't like a lot of sun. They prefer filtered sun and don't need a huge amount of sun. They can do well in an area that gets shade most of the day and filtered sun part of the day.
-they don't like getting dry. Ideally if you are using well drained soil, water them every day.
-they do not like hot weather. Based on my own limited growing experience, I would say they favor a climate of lows around 30-40F and highs around 60-70F. I would consider that the ideal temperature range and they only thrive when they get the cold nightime temperatures.
-once they get going they like a little bit of liquid plant food. I put one or two drops in about 32 ounces of water once a week or every other week. |
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SoFl
USA
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 10:01:29
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Originally posted by Jul
SoFl, I have been following your posts for sometime. I live in S. Florida and I have been having little success in growing ps.
Growing them in South Florida is problematic but not at all impossible. First read the post I made above about general growing conditions.
In south florida, I have had the best results by germinating seeds around the November time frame. I keep the plants indoors in a window that gets filtered sunlight most of the day. The seeds germinate easily. The first time we get a winter cold front, I move the plants outdoors because they REQUIRE that shot of cold to get growing well.
I can't emphasize enough that they REQUIRE cold weather in the range of 30-60 degrees at night in order to move beyond a useless dwarf state.
So I grow them during the winter. I leave them outdoors under heavy shade if it's cold outside (it will never get too cold for PS in south Florida) and if it gets hot out I bring them inside.
I have successfully kept plants growing year round, but they are very difficult to grow in the summer because there is something about the low nighttime temperatures that signal to the plant to grow. Often without a cold snap, they remain in a dwarf size state about like a clover and never mature, then eventually die.
The longest I have ever kept a single plant alive is about a year. I will typically try to grow 5 or 6 plants in a small six inch plastic pot, and I try to keep 5 or 6 pots growing.
Given that they grow best in the winter here, I have started trying to do wait and do all of a years accumulated treatments in the wintertime.
I have also grown the plants (much more) successfully in North Carolina. They do ok down to about 20-25 degrees f. So they are definitely frost tolerant but below 20 degrees or so, they don't like it and may die.
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Brigid
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 10:16:35
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Thanks for the BBC article link, SoFl. I'll remember not to "try it at home" as I'm starting my third round with it, LOL.
I'm still very interested in hearing whether anyone knows where that "combined treatment" post is---it was at the same time roughly as the post about the Indian dr. prescribing neem oil and coconut oil. Thanks for replying, Judy, it wasn't the bloodroot/PS combo that you're doing.
Thinking back on Dan's early posts about cymillium, I decided to try one of the main ingredients of that minus the toxic chemicals in the product. Instead of using ammonia, I used a bit of my own, early AM urine, after being on a healthy, no-caffeine, no- sugar, vegan diet for a few months. I had been putting coconut oil on the area and one day of neem oil to see what turned red. It's a great "diagnostic tool" for me, since it doesn't hurt but does show where the cancer still is.
One spot on my nose that I thought was cancer-free, turned pink from the oil and bright red from the urine and spurge sap. I had expected the area around both nostrils to turn red but was surprised at the intensity of the response on the right nostril: bright red and to the other side of the smile line. (We're talking about applying one drop of sap!) Even before treating on day #2, which this is for me, the inflamed areas around both nostrils have developed a white raised surface, which I think is the white blood cells flooding in. It was sore and itchy immediately, unlike the times I've used the sap alone----that s.t. took 10 hours to react. I'm rooting for it!
Part of the quick response may be due to sensitizing my skin beforehand with the coconut/neem oils, aside from the urine. I'm not sure I'm going to use the urine again today, maybe just the sap. I also may use fresh aloe from a plant to soften the scabs before applying the sap.
The original tumor seems to have spread over a fairly large surface, and during the past two rounds, I used up to 7 leaves' sap each time to get it all. But that was too much, and I dealt with nausea, extreme coldness (not weather-related),
fatigue and headaches. This time, I'm taking it slow: 3 leaves at a go, and that's it.
The good news: an area that lit up previously no longer lights up (from the coconut oil/neem).
On the other hand: The area surrounding the original tumor and later eruptions is still lit up, and I can't treat it this round....but next time I will.
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SoFl
USA
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 10:19:12
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Originally posted by Alexis Fecteau
I haven't seen a petty spurge combo with anything else. I saw cymilium and vit C elsewhere but no combos here. The petty spurge seems to work extremely well. Have you tried it and not found good results?
Alexis Fecteau
I would like to comment on this since other posters for some reason seem intent on combining it with other treatments.
For me, as well as in the clinical trials that have been conducted, PS works extremely well and produces an outstanding cosmetic result. It makes no sense whatsoever to me to try to combine it with some other treatment that may or may not work. Why would you do that?
After you gain some experience with PS, it works in a very predictable manner used alone. Introducing other variables I see as an entirely counter productive endeavor.
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Alexis Fecteau
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 10:33:37
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I would have to strenuously agree with SoFL on the treatment. I see no reason to combine Euphorbia Peplus with other treatments. It works unbelievably effectively and is proven scientifically. Combinations that dilute the sap aren't and may well reduce the efficacy of the chemicals that produce the results.
Cosmetically results are excellent as well.
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Brigid
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 10:38:41
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I'd appreciate knowing how you collect the seeds. The white paper beneath the pot didn't yield anything, but a couple of seedlings have sprouted in two of my pots.
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Originally posted by Jul
SoFl, I have been following your posts for sometime. I live in S. Florida and I have been having little success in growing ps.
Growing them in South Florida is problematic but not at all impossible. First read the post I made above about general growing conditions.
In south florida, I have had the best results by germinating seeds around the November time frame. I keep the plants indoors in a window that gets filtered sunlight most of the day. The seeds germinate easily. The first time we get a winter cold front, I move the plants outdoors because they REQUIRE that shot of cold to get growing well.
I can't emphasize enough that they REQUIRE cold weather in the range of 30-60 degrees at night in order to move beyond a useless dwarf state.
So I grow them during the winter. I leave them outdoors under heavy shade if it's cold outside (it will never get too cold for PS in south Florida) and if it gets hot out I bring them inside.
I have successfully kept plants growing year round, but they are very difficult to grow in the summer because there is something about the low nighttime temperatures that signal to the plant to grow. Often without a cold snap, they remain in a dwarf size state about like a clover and never mature, then eventually die.
The longest I have ever kept a single plant alive is about a year. I will typically try to grow 5 or 6 plants in a small six inch plastic pot, and I try to keep 5 or 6 pots growing.
Given that they grow best in the winter here, I have started trying to do wait and do all of a years accumulated treatments in the wintertime.
I have also grown the plants (much more) successfully in North Carolina. They do ok down to about 20-25 degrees f. So they are definitely frost tolerant but below 20 degrees or so, they don't like it and may die.
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SoFl
USA
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 11:15:21
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Originally posted by Brigid
I'd appreciate knowing how you collect the seeds. The white paper beneath the pot didn't yield anything, but a couple of seedlings have sprouted in two of my pots.
Seed collection:
This is all from personal experience...
As the plant matures, it will produce extremely small bright yellow buds on the outer leaves. These contain seed pods that each contain three seeds. Warm weather triggers these triplet seed pods to explode, sending the outer soft shell straight to the ground, and sending the seeds hurling as far as six feet or more from the plant. This is the mechanism by which the plant spreads.
My collection method is very low tech but it works. I keep them indoors on a wide windowsill in the kitchen with a white tile floor. When they are spreading the seeds, in between regular floor cleanings, I will crawl around on the floor and pick up each seed individually by pressing my finger down to the floor, and the seed will stick to my finger.
The seeds are very small, probably only 1 mm long. One plant can produce hundreds of seeds. The seeds themselves are a grayish color, and if you look at them under a magnifying glass or a loupe, they have a matrix of holes all over them. The seeds are very hard. I keep them in a small ziplock bag in regular indoor conditions and they remain viable for years.
Whatever method you devise, it's important to understand that the green outer covering drops straight down. That isn't what you want. The seeds themselves are propelled by the explosion of the pod, and can travel a long distance. So simply putting a paper under the plant will probably only yield the useless outer seed coverings.
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SoFl
USA
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 11:47:50
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I have one last post for today.
In the clinical trial I cited above, and in every clinical trial I've seen, the treatment duration was three days. In this last trial, that was good enough to cure 41 out of 48 lesions. Would a longer treatment have cured them all? Based on my experience I think the answer is yes.
I have settled on a somewhat longer treatment, as I posted earlier in this thread and so far I have a 100 percent success rate, having only to re treat 2 lesions where I initially used a short three day treatment.
I have settled on a "standard" treatment whereby anything that looks like it might go deep gets 3 days of the sap, covered by a leaf, covered by a band aid, and then after three days, I remove the band aid and then just use the sap. this treatment includes one and maybe 2 scab removals to get the sap directly on to the tissue below. I think this is overkill however for small or more superficial lesions.
My point in this post is to say that PS is documented to work. So my keen interest now is in optimizing the duration and intensity of the treatment for various lesions so as not to intentionally overtreat, but at the same time to treat to a degree that it does not return.
I have a great interest in this because.....
I have progressed to treating Atypical Moles (Dysplastic Nevus) of which I have several hundred. I have treated two so far with complete erasure and a wonderful almost unbelievable cosmetic result. One had been prominently displayed on my cheek since birth and it was getting bigger. As of today, there is no evidence that I ever had a mole on the cheek except for a slightly reddened area compared to the surrounding skin, but I am only one month after a very deep (est 3 mm deep) and slightly painful treatment. I know I'm not supposed to be doing this according to conventional science and neither are you. Caveat Emptor and stay tuned because I will report back if any of these return.
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clearlake
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Posted - 02/09/2011 : 17:32:02
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Thanks so much for the great news about the Clinical Trial SOFL.
Have a question about your post; are you saying if the petty plants do not get beyond the dwarf stage the sap is useless?
My plants are doing pretty well now, (about the size of clover) and I am in South Florida. They do like it cooler. I hadn't put them outside this winter, will have to try that. In the next post I'm attaching photos. The plant that is underneath the table is the one that is doing the best.
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cause
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Posted - 02/12/2011 : 06:35:50
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Hello, just stumbled upon this forum.
I've been reading about this for a while and now just starting to try and find some of this wonder weed.
However I'm concerned about picking the wrong one, has anyone got a foolproof way of identifying it? Pictures so often look so different from the real thing.
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cause
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Posted - 02/12/2011 : 06:37:48
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Hello, just stumbled upon this forum.
I've been reading about this for a while and now just starting to try and find some of this wonder weed.
However I'm concerned about picking the wrong one, has anyone got a foolproof way of identifying it? Pictures so often look so different from the real thing.
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Alexis Fecteau
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Posted - 02/12/2011 : 12:42:53
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I would highly recommend just buying the seeds from Beautanicals in Australia, they are only $3.50 US plus shipping, then grow it yourself and you know you have the correct plant for sure.
That was my experience and it worked well, no worries about having the wrong plant, especially if you have never seen one up close in person before. I tried finding them wild and they would have been difficult or impossible to definitively identify in my case here in Seattle.
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cause
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/13/2011 : 01:38:50
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Alexis Fecteau
USA
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Posted - 02/13/2011 : 01:48:24
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I agree, you might, but you'll also be sure you have the Euphorbia Peplus and not something close in spelling or sap like Euphorbia Peplis.
With my luck I would end up with the latter and never know it til it didn't work as advertised!
Good luck, I think you made the correct decision.
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waverider
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Posted - 02/13/2011 : 09:03:59
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| Cause, You're right it's hard to identify PS from photos. But once you grow some of your own from the Australian seeds, you'll be able to recognize it in the wild with no problem from then on. It will probably be jumping out at you all over the place in the UK because I know it grows very prolifically there. Just not during the summer. |
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Brigid
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Posted - 02/13/2011 : 12:40:23
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Hi Cause,
I've read that Petty Spurge was used as a Victorian garden border. I can see why. The leaves are delicate, shaped like little tear drops, with a nodding habit from the main stems. They're a bright, yellowy spring green, and when the light falls on them, they're really beautiful.
They're hard to get started, just make sure to keep the soil damp but not soggy. Beautanicals recommends the soil being 1/3 perlite or vermiculite to aerate it, 1/3 sand and 1/3 potting soil. My hardiest plant however was in just potting soil. I propped my tiny seedlings up with tooth picks and forked twigs, and still half died. I started them in a very hot summer and realized I had to keep an air conditioner on to keep them alive. I have two unheated rooms here in New England, and they're thriving at those temps. As others have said, once they get to be about 2 inches (5 cm) tall, you can feed them a dilute plant food. Just be careful that the leaves don't get too big for their little stems from the food: they can flop over and die from that. Some of us have had about a 50% success rate, so plant more than you'll need, and don't worry if some die off. Beautanicals suggested starting them in an eastern or somewhat less-bright window and switching them when they're a couple of inches to a brighter window (but no direct southern sun). I think others haven't done that and have been fine, and of course it depends on your situation.
Good luck!
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Cause, You're right it's hard to identify PS from photos. But once you grow some of your own from the Australian seeds, you'll be able to recognize it in the wild with no problem from then on. It will probably be jumping out at you all over the place in the UK because I know it grows very prolifically there. Just not during the summer.
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cause
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/13/2011 : 14:54:04
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Thanks Waverider and Brigid, I have no doubt that I've been trampling over this plant for years but never knew its merits.
I'm in Devon England and its very fertile with prolific wild strawberries and garlic growing along the roadsides, but to my shame many of the 'weeds' in my garden I would struggle to name.
I do try to identify some but many could be confused with similar ones (which is why I don't pick wild mushrooms), so the correct route will be the seeds.
Thanks for the growing info. If I can get at least one going strong I'll head for the hills to find others. |
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ruby
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 01:54:48
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I am wondering how long the plants need to grow before they produce sap? I planted my Petty Spurge seeds in October and they are now about 4-5" tall (got the seeds from Beautanicals). But I just crushed some leaves and don't see any sap yet.
How long might I have to wait for that?
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Alexis Fecteau
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 11:32:29
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Originally posted by ruby
I am wondering how long the plants need to grow before they produce sap? I planted my Petty Spurge seeds in October and they are now about 4-5" tall (got the seeds from Beautanicals). But I just crushed some leaves and don't see any sap yet.
How long might I have to wait for that?
Hi,
My experience was that I waited til they were about 8" tall, that being said, as long as there are plenty of leaves, I would say at least 60-80 leaves. The way to get the sap is to pluck a leaf off with tweezers. A very small amount of sap will come from the stem, usually - and unfortunately - the most sap comes from the part of the stem that remains on the plant. Just use the tweezers to get that sap and apply.
You only need a very very small amount, the amount that comes out will be enough, just spread it around.
Does that help? Your plants, if grown indoors and not misted a couple times a day may be taking much longer to grow.
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SheilaInAus
Australia
7 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2011 : 21:04:55
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Hi All, I've been reading this thread for a week now. I found it after researching another Euphorbia (The Australian Blushwood tree Hylandia dockrillii from North Queensland) that has an extract being trialed in animals to dissolve skin and solid cancer tumours. It will soon be released to vets in Australia. Phase 1 human trials on skin cancers begin later this year. Tumours are injected with the drug and melt away in a few days to two weeks. Unfortunately there is no indication it acts systemically as a cure so for those with metastasis it will perhaps prolong life if tumours are accessible by injection.
I have a lot of links but don't know how to post them so I'll try to type one or two.
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2011/01/20/145405_local-news.html
On the qbiotics media site go down to the video from "Sunday Night, channel 7" to see this used on dogs, cats and a horse. Brilliant!
http://www.qbiotics.com/?gclid=CIuykNL_nqICFQcYewodnxa8yA#/media/
I have started using PS on an AK on my leg but after 2 days there is no reaction. I normally have lots of PS in my garden but I sprayed the courtyard area a few weeks ago as it was getting overrun with weeds and grass. I'm confused why people say it is a cold climate plant as it is summer here and I have some under the edge of the house and a few weeks ago we had over 40C/105f for over a week. Also the areas where it grows are sheltered from rain so very dry. It seems to like growing next to buildings and among rocks and paving.
I've put some seed trays under some plants hoping to spread it round more. I have looked at many photo's online and it is definitely PS. It has the distinctive seed pods and flowers.
I have a USB microscope and am taking 10x and 60x pics of the skin although nothing is happening yet. |
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Alexis Fecteau
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2011 : 20:59:45
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Hi Sheilainaus
If you're having no reaction either on the suspect area or redness of the surrounding skin, and if the plants are growing in an area that is clearly inhospitable to Euphorbia Peplus, I would presume you are not using the correct petty spurge (Euphorbia Peplus) and suggest you order the known seeds from Beautanicals or another reputable shop.
There are over a hundred types of petty spurge/milkweed, and some look nearly the same as the correct one.
I've never heard of anyone not even getting a reaction of the surrounding skin, especially after 2 days. That is normally enough time to nearly eradicate a good sized bcc.
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SheilaInAus
Australia
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Posted - 03/12/2011 : 23:43:41
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Hi Alexis, I did get redness where I accidentally got some next to the spot. Also I had burning of the tongue and lips after chewing my nails even though I had washed my hands well. I must remember to use tweezers as I'm risking rubbing my eyes and doing damage. I'm aware of Beautanicals and will use them if this doesn't work. I know that legs take longer to react and I'm thinking of trying it on my elbow too but I'm not sure if I can keep using the same few plants as I know they can lose their potency.
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Alexis Fecteau
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2011 : 01:58:39
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Hard to guarantee that you have the correct sap/plant regardless of the possible effects you've had.
I would recommend simply removing that variable from the equation and ensure the correct seeds from the start, then logically proceed from there. I also suggest that when you grow the plant from seed, you allow it to grow 50-60 leaves minimum before harvesting sap, shouldn't take more than 6-8 weeks.
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SheilaInAus
Australia
7 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2011 : 10:05:27
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Thanks for your concern. As I have been out or it's been raining heavily for two days I haven't reapplied the sap. I checked some Australian sites and it does grow year round here. In fact Beautanicals is in a much hotter area in Queensland than where I live south of Sydney, with mild winters there compared to colder ones here. I find it interesting that the Queensland variety from Beautanicals needs cool weather overseas. Very strange. If I can get a photo tomorrow I might try to post it as it's so easily recognisable. If there's anything similar I'd love to see a photo or description that distinguishes between the two. Anyway I only have mild AK's and possibly a tiny BCC on my nose which I want identified before I touch it so there's no urgency.
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Brigid
60 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2011 : 17:08:31
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Hi Sheila,
This is fantastic about the Hylandia. I love it when people post about clinical trial of plants that we can grow ourselves. Thank you!! You might also try posting it on some other part of this large website. A little poking around will give you an idea where.
Please keep us updated on new developments with these trials.
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Originally posted by SheilaInAus
Hi All, I've been reading this thread for a week now. I found it after researching another Euphorbia (The Australian Blushwood tree Hylandia dockrillii from North Queensland) that has an extract being trialed in animals to dissolve skin and solid cancer tumours. It will soon be released to vets in Australia. Phase 1 human trials on skin cancers begin later this year. Tumours are injected with the drug and melt away in a few days to two weeks. Unfortunately there is no indication it acts systemically as a cure so for those with metastasis it will perhaps prolong life if tumours are accessible by injection.
I have a lot of links but don't know how to post them so I'll try to type one or two.
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2011/01/20/145405_local-news.html
On the qbiotics media site go down to the video from "Sunday Night, channel 7" to see this used on dogs, cats and a horse. Brilliant!
http://www.qbiotics.com/?gclid=CIuykNL_nqICFQcYewodnxa8yA#/media/
I have started using PS on an AK on my leg but after 2 days there is no reaction. I normally have lots of PS in my garden but I sprayed the courtyard area a few weeks ago as it was getting overrun with weeds and grass. I'm confused why people say it is a cold climate plant as it is summer here and I have some under the edge of the house and a few weeks ago we had over 40C/105f for over a week. Also the areas where it grows are sheltered from rain so very dry. It seems to like growing next to buildings and among rocks and paving.
I've put some seed trays under some plants hoping to spread it round more. I have looked at many photo's online and it is definitely PS. It has the distinctive seed pods and flowers.
I have a USB microscope and am taking 10x and 60x pics of the skin although nothing is happening yet.
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SheilaInAus
Australia
7 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2011 : 22:21:17
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Hi Brigid,
There is a thread about the Blushwood tree which I added to a few topics under this. Unfortunately it probably won't be a home remedy as they are using just one molecule out of the seed and the tree only grows in a tropical or sub-tropical climate so far. It grows easily from a cutting and takes a couple of years to produce fruit. I doubt it would be allowed to be grown overseas in case it turns into a pest, though if anyone finds out how to extract and use the active ingredient I suspect it will find it's way overseas.
Injecting it into tumours presents all sorts of problems too. Like finding the tumour and sterilizing the extract. I guess if my life was at stake and there was no other viable option I might try anything. |
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ruby
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2011 : 18:50:45
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I did my first time treatment of 2 spots with Petty Spurge - 1x a day, 3 days in a row. I noticed within an hour or two after applying the sap that I felt unusually tired, especially in my eye area. I also felt a heaviness in my forehead.
I treated one spot on my face near my ear lobe and one on my arm and was very careful not to get the sap anywhere near my eye. Also washed my hands a couple times after touching the plant (but never had the sap on my fingers). Each day of treatment I felt this. Its atypical for me, and I wondered why I so tired. I thought it could be the Petty Spurge.
Today I started a second round after the scabs came off to see if there would be any more basal cell left to treat, and again, I felt the tiredness and a 'drawn' feeling around my eyes and forehead. Definitely I attribute it now to the Petty Spurge.
Its good to note it, as it might be something to be cautious about.
quote]Originally posted by annieh
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A post by Kanga re
Euphorbia Peplus - Systemic and or side effects?
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> Also do any users report any other possible side affects of the treatment, as it appears from my observation that substances from the sap can enter the bloodstream and could therefore cause other systemic side effects?
> In particular has any user noted any psychological effects such as acute anxiety, mood alteration, or depression when using the treatment? I appreciate that any such observations may make a very tenuous connection with the treatment, but not a lot is known about the effects of this "drug".
Kanga, after using petty spurge a lot in the past few months, I can say for sure that for me, during the days of using it, I feel very tired.
Perhaps the tiredness is due to all my body's efforts going into my immune system that is working overtime to work on the skin cancers that have been "highlighted" by the petty spurge.
Because of the fatigue I feel when using it, I only use petty spurge for three days at a time, max, and then have some rest days before continuing the treatment. (I learned to do this from reading these forums).
I also wonder if the way I feel is due to other substances in the petty spurge plant, that my body is reacting to as if to a toxin; OR I wonder if it is the variation in sap quality from one plant to another, or the time of day it is picked making the sap stronger/weaker ...
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Alexis Fecteau
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2011 : 18:55:18
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Those are interesting side effects, tell me, how did the sap work on the suspected BCCs?
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ruby
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2011 : 01:14:35
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I had good results topically. The 2 BCC spots (which had been biopsied 6 months earlier) went through the stages many describe here, and ended up with a scab, which then fell off.
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Alexis Fecteau
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2011 : 04:05:13
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Excellent, glad it is working. I plan to grow more plants shortly and retreat where I had Moh's surgery to make sure all the cancer cells are gone.
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SheilaInAus
Australia
7 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2011 : 06:52:13
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I have had some reaction to PS on my elbow but the one on the knee seems to be the same. My elbow AK has become red and inflamed and a little itchy. I've also started to use it on the many small AK's an my left hand.
My main problem is getting enough of the sap as my plants are small. I've received seeds in the post and tomorrow I will plant some in pots where I can have more control of their environment. I guess it will be a couple of months till they are big enough to use.
To save on postage I also bought purple carrot seeds from Beautanicals as their medicinal properties are more powerful than the regular orange variety.
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Alexis Fecteau
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 19:42:21
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Hi Marie, Here is my response to the email again. I'll repost here to make sure you received it:
Hi Marie,
Yes it will scab up and if it's a small spot, only putting sap on it for 3 days or so, 2x a day or so will take care of it. It will scab up if the spot contains any cancer or pre-cancerous cells as far as I understand it, and it appears to also find cells nearby that may be suspect.
Make sure you have the correct plant though, I suggest getting it from that Beautanicals place to ensure you have the absolutely correct Euphorbia Peplus as there are a number of similar plants in both name and appearance.
I think its only $3-4 plus shipping for 30 seeds if I remember correctly. Will take about 6 weeks to germinate them and grow them to reasonable size, depending of course on how much you'll need.
Good Luck
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Grace
5 Posts |
Posted - 04/30/2011 : 19:34:48
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Hello everyone, I have been reading here for a while and finally decided to join and post. I ordered the PS seeds and am trying desperately to get them to sprout here in hot FL. Trying indoors.
Would anyone be able to give advice for dealing with family members who are pounding you with "you have to trust the doctors" stuff? It is so difficult to get them to stop nagging - especially my scientist son. I have a supportive husband thank heavens.
Also, why is it that this is believed to NOT work on melanomas? Any ideas? |
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Brigid
60 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2011 : 00:08:43
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quote:
Originally posted by SheilaInAus
I have had some reaction to PS on my elbow but the one on the knee seems to be the same. My elbow AK has become red and inflamed and a little itchy. I've also started to use it on the many small AK's an my left hand.
My main problem is getting enough of the sap as my plants are small. I've received seeds in the post and tomorrow I will plant some in pots where I can have more control of their environment. I guess it will be a couple of months till they are big enough to use.
To save on postage I also bought purple carrot seeds from Beautanicals as their medicinal properties are more powerful than the regular orange variety.
http://www.purple-carrots.com/
I've been reading about purple carrots, too. Orange carrots are so twentieth century,has the kids say. Seriously, they sound great for anyone with sc. Thanks for the post!
You only need to cut a leaf off a stem to get a drop of white sap. You don't have to cut a branch. (I thought you did.) But if you have to wait a couple of months for new plants, don't worry. These spots for the most part grow slowly. Some people have posted here that spots on the legs take longer to get a reaction.
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anivoc
449 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2011 : 00:13:06
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quote:
Originally posted by Grace
Hello everyone, I have been reading here for a while and finally decided to join and post. I ordered the PS seeds and am trying desperately to get them to sprout here in hot FL. Trying indoors.
Would anyone be able to give advice for dealing with family members who are pounding you with "you have to trust the doctors" stuff? It is so difficult to get them to stop nagging - especially my scientist son. I have a supportive husband thank heavens.
Also, why is it that this is believed to NOT work on melanomas? Any ideas?
Welcome Grace..
First melanoma..
Unlike Basal cell, and Actenic keratosis AK Melanoma is deadly serious .. There are reports of people who claim to have beaten a melanoma with bloodroot paste but unfortunately Melanoma is just much more aggressive so resorting back to traditional methods is probably the best course of action.
Squamous can be deadly but much less than melanoma.
In regards to friends and family worrying about self treating it is tough.
The proof of the pudding is right here on this BBS. Next time someone gives you a hard time, if they are really concerned tell them to come here and spend a few hours reading the post. If they are willing to invest that much time and come away still skeptical then agree to at least see a doctor and get their opinion. Your scientist son may find that he can be of help here.
I have gone both ways, traditional and alternative and it's six of one half dozen of another results. Both have eradicated lesions and in both cases I have had re-occurrences.. no guarantees either way but I feel I ma better off treating these on my own at this juncture.
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waverider
50 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2011 : 18:53:25
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Hi Grace,
If you haven't planted all your seeds yet you might want to germinate some of them indoors first. After I got bad results with my first crop (only three sprouted, I think) I used the method described on this page:
http://www.robsplants.com/seed/baggy.php
I did not find it necessary to put the bags in the refrigerator, just keep them inside at room temp was enough. Now I have no trouble getting PS to grow and have probably 90+% success with the Australian seeds by germinating them indoors. There are other germination methods described elsewhere that are variations on this same theme.
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Grace
5 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2011 : 08:35:57
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Woot! Happy dance! Jumping up and down! Spinning in circles! Uncontrollable happiness! Yippee! Yahoo! High five!!!!
MY SEEDS SPROUTED!!!!!! |
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Grace
5 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2011 : 08:39:18
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| Note: Planted in a clay pot that is enamel coated on the outside, Miracle Gro potting mix, on the wet side of damp, 3 days outside in FL 90 degree heat, moved indoors to kitchen counter (no sun), SPROUTED day 2 of inside!, moved to bedside table East facing morning sun but still in A/C so cool. |
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Trout19
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 09:10:26
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First time poster, but I've been following PS for a while. After Mohs surgery several years ago(BC came back after that ordeal) I was looking for an alternative. I ordered my seeds in February and got started. I live in south Texas, so this environment is not the greatest for growing PS. It's taken several months for my little plants to be servicable, but I finally got a chance to treat a spot on my forehead that was confirmed BC... I treated using SoFlo's method - went 4 days.... and now everything looks much better. There is still a little redness, but all signs of the cancer are gone. I'll work on the nose next.
I found that my plants grew very slowly down here. Even in April, the night time lows are often in the 70s. I started putting my plants in the fridge at night, then moving them to a low-light/non-direct light during the day. I think they still may get too hot, as a few have died, but some are fighting through. The fridge did seem to help a lot.
Thank you for all the info on this board. Right now this seems like a miracle cure. Just a little discomfort and wearing some band-aides for a week or so and the BC is gone. I've got several more to treat, but yea! so far...
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Irene
Canada
18 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2011 : 11:17:00
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Latest batch I am growing: I just threw a bunch of seeds in a 6" diameter pot with indoor potting soil and watered well. Put them near the window with a northern exposure (it's the only window I have that provides enough light). Now 6 weeks later they are 6 - 8 inches tall.
I think they like to grow in larger pots rather than in small containers and in clumps/bunches (supporting each other) rather than alone, and they like to stay fairly wet. In other words, don't let them dry out between waterings, don't make them sit in too much sun (although I had several volunteer plants last year that looked quite happy outside, in the spaces between patio stones in the full sun.)
I've got plenty of seeds for those who need them.
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Grace
5 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2011 : 18:36:50
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Just a note on my condition. Two spots on chest, one BCC, one SCC confirmed by biopsy. Suspicious mole on back - impossible to reach so thank heavens for hubby. A lot of spots suspicious to me - I think a BCC on side of nose. Can't wait to start treating but gotta wait for my babies to grow. I hope it doesn't take 3 months but it looks like that is about the time frame.
Currently using hemp oil ointment - will see how that goes. Itches when put on a known spot, no reaction at all to a healthy one and takes a LONG time to work.
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Alexis Fecteau
USA
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Posted - 05/02/2011 : 19:19:59
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For those growing the spurge, I would recommend misting them every day if indoors, or just putting outside at night. I did a control experiment with one plant indoors and one out and the outdoor one did substantially better and grew much larger. The only difference was that I moved one of them outdoors 3 days sooner, it stayed stronger, grew larger, and flourished. All did well after putting them outside, but the one that went out first was by far the largest and healthiest.
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Brigid
60 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2011 : 23:29:51
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This is PS for giants, judging by the leaves, Irene! LOL I've got at least 10 babies growing in one pot from where the seeds dropped, all pointed in the same direction. 3 that also planted themselves in another pot and a couple that dropped down from the mother plants in the old pots. The plant neonate ward. For anyone growing them for the first time, about 1/2 of mine survived, so plant more than you need. And yes, they really like cool weather, the outdoors, or if indoors in summer heat, an air conditioner.
I started round 4 of treating my face today. One cut leaf yielded a HUGE amount of sap today, and the stinging began for real after 1/2 an hour. (Usually takes much longer.) Maybe b/c the areas from round 3 are still pretty tender and pink. Talking and smiling are challenging for now, but that passes. Fingers crossed.
Treated my leg about 3 weeks ago, 5 consecutive days. Probably a bcc, but it wasn't biopsied. It's still very red with one small darker red spot within the larger red area. Does anyone know what that means?
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Originally posted by Irene
Latest batch I am growing: I just threw a bunch of seeds in a 6" diameter pot with indoor potting soil and watered well. Put them near the window with a northern exposure (it's the only window I have that provides enough light). Now 6 weeks later they are 6 - 8 inches tall.
I think they like to grow in larger pots rather than in small containers and in clumps/bunches (supporting each other) rather than alone, and they like to stay fairly wet. In other words, don't let them dry out between waterings, don't make them sit in too much sun (although I had several volunteer plants last year that looked quite happy outside, in the spaces between patio stones in the full sun.)
I've got plenty of seeds for those who need them.
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Grace
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Posted - 05/05/2011 : 20:28:49
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Thanks for the awesome picture of your PS Irene! I hope mine gets that big! It's about the same size pot and I am misting as recommended on this thread. Only been a few days since I first saw the sprouts and they are about 3" high so far.
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Irene
Canada
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Posted - 05/05/2011 : 20:42:10
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Just for the record Grace, I never mist my Petty Spurge plants.
Just lots of light and good air circulation and not much direct sunlight on them.
I do add a little liquid fertilizer for house plants now and again.
Irene
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Originally posted by Grace
Thanks for the awesome picture of your PS Irene! I hope mine gets that big! It's about the same size pot and I am misting as recommended on this thread. Only been a few days since I first saw the sprouts and they are about 3" high so far.
Drumming fingers on desk waiting, waiting....lol.
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ruby
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2011 : 10:38:34
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I did a second round with the petty spurge and there was more to treat.
Because I'm finding I'm sensitive to the tiny drop of sap, I'm diluting it now so that I don't have as much of a reaction.
By the way, If there's anyone in the Northern AZ or Las Vegas area ( 2 hours away) who needs Petty Spurge to use right away, I have a couple extra plants that I can pass along. |
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Brigid
60 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2011 : 14:21:20
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I can relate to treating an increasingly large area. I've thought about diluting the sap, too. I'd read that it's stronger in spring, and this seems true for one of my plants. (Some cut leaves are yielding a drop the size of 4 normal drops.) I've resisted the urge to dilute the sap, since some previous posters have said not to, but it may work for you. Would you post to the listserv a month after you've finished your treatment and let us know how the diluted sap worked? (Although, I'm pretty sure we shouldn't generalize from one person's experience to another, since there are different kinds of BCCs, and we all have different immune systems, diets, etc.) Still, if it works for you, I'd really like to know: with so many areas to treat, I'd love to dilute the sap.
Happy Mother's Day to all.
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Originally posted by ruby
I did a second round with the petty spurge and there was more to treat.
Because I'm finding I'm sensitive to the tiny drop of sap, I'm diluting it now so that I don't have as much of a reaction.
By the way, If there's anyone in the Northern AZ or Las Vegas area ( 2 hours away) who needs Petty Spurge to use right away, I have a couple extra plants that I can pass along.
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SoFl
USA
79 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2011 : 08:38:47
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quote:
Originally posted by Brigid
This is PS for giants, judging by the leaves, Irene! LOL I've got at least 10 babies growing in one pot from where the seeds dropped, all pointed in the same direction. 3 that also planted themselves in another pot and a couple that dropped down from the mother plants in the old pots. The plant neonate ward. For anyone growing them for the first time, about 1/2 of mine survived, so plant more than you need. And yes, they really like cool weather, the outdoors, or if indoors in summer heat, an air conditioner.
I started round 4 of treating my face today. One cut leaf yielded a HUGE amount of sap today, and the stinging began for real after 1/2 an hour. (Usually takes much longer.) Maybe b/c the areas from round 3 are still pretty tender and pink. Talking and smiling are challenging for now, but that passes. Fingers crossed.
Treated my leg about 3 weeks ago, 5 consecutive days. Probably a bcc, but it wasn't biopsied. It's still very red with one small darker red spot within the larger red area. Does anyone know what that means?
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Originally posted by Irene
Latest batch I am growing: I just threw a bunch of seeds in a 6" diameter pot with indoor potting soil and watered well. Put them near the window with a northern exposure (it's the only window I have that provides enough light). Now 6 weeks later they are 6 - 8 inches tall.
I think they like to grow in larger pots rather than in small containers and in clumps/bunches (supporting each other) rather than alone, and they like to stay fairly wet. In other words, don't let them dry out between waterings, don't make them sit in too much sun (although I had several volunteer plants last year that looked quite happy outside, in the spaces between patio stones in the full sun.)
I've got plenty of seeds for those who need them.
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This is a great looking plant. Do you mind describing the type of soil, and any amendments or fertilizers you used?
Also, regarding diluting the sap, I have found that on most of the things I've treated on myself (well over 30 successful treatments to date now) I definitely don't want to dilute the sap. The only problem whatsoever I've had with this treatment is that a couple of spots required re treatment. After I started treating a little more thoroughly however, I haven't needed to re treat.
I have found PS to be extremely predictable. The only thing about it for me is that is has different levels of activity on different parts of the body. My legs are the least sensitive to it, for example.
Anyway, I use the sap full strength always now. There is a variability in the strength due to individual plants and time of harvest as well. I haven't totally pinned that down. The good news for people having difficulty growing them is that I have found that plants which have had to struggle tend to have the most potent sap.
A big healthy leafy plant like the one in your pic will make a lot of sap, but maybe not quite as strong as one struggling to survive.
Also, they always die so you have to use it or lose it.
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SoFl
USA
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Posted - 05/13/2011 : 08:45:03
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Originally posted by Grace
Thanks for the awesome picture of your PS Irene! I hope mine gets that big! It's about the same size pot and I am misting as recommended on this thread. Only been a few days since I first saw the sprouts and they are about 3" high so far.
Drumming fingers on desk waiting, waiting....lol.
The problem you are going to have in south florida is getting them past that 3 inch high stage. There is something about cold weather which jumps them over that dwarf stage and into full blown maturity.
The only time I have been able to do that in south florida is starting them in nov, dec, jan (dec best), and leaving them outdoors on cold nights.
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SoFl
USA
79 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2011 : 08:54:01
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Originally posted by ruby
I am wondering how long the plants need to grow before they produce sap? I planted my Petty Spurge seeds in October and they are now about 4-5" tall (got the seeds from Beautanicals). But I just crushed some leaves and don't see any sap yet.
How long might I have to wait for that?
please read earlier in the forum. Leaf crushing is not the way to go. If you take a pair of sharp scissors (the sharper the better) and snip off one leaf at it's stem, one drop of sap will come out of the stem. That's what you want. I quickly hold out a flat blade stainless dental tool and let the drop of sap fall onto that. Sometimes after a few more seconds you'll get a little bit more. |
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Grace2Go
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2011 : 13:13:10
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Originally posted by SoFl
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Originally posted by Grace
Thanks for the awesome picture of your PS Irene! I hope mine gets that big! It's about the same size pot and I am misting as recommended on this thread. Only been a few days since I first saw the sprouts and they are about 3" high so far.
Drumming fingers on desk waiting, waiting....lol.
The problem you are going to have in south florida is getting them past that 3 inch high stage. There is something about cold weather which jumps them over that dwarf stage and into full blown maturity.
The only time I have been able to do that in south florida is starting them in nov, dec, jan (dec best), and leaving them outdoors on cold nights.
I live in the south and have had no luck growing the PS plants past about 3". I've thought about trying them indoors near an AC vent, but I don't think they'd get enough light. We have dark screens on the windows, which is great for helping keep the heat out in summer, but not good for letting enough in for plants. Not just the PS plants, but any plants requiring much sunlight.
In retrospect, I suppose it's just as well that the PS plants haven't worked out for me, since my BCC has spread up very close to my eye.
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ruby
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2011 : 13:55:19
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I will have to delay my testing since I will be away from my home for at least a month.
But on my next trial, I will report back.
I feel very cautious now about using full strength sap because I feel the effects in my eyes. I don't know how the sap is circulating in my system- if it gets in the bloodstream, but I feel an irritation in my eyes from full strength sap when I put a small drop on my arm.
Since we are all experimenting with this, for myself alone, I have decided I need to be careful.
On my last round of treatment, always getting the tiredness and some feeling of pricking irritation in my eyes, I also got a silent migraine, which was a disturbance in my visual field (I discovered what this was when I looked up the symptoms). I've never had this before in my life, so I didn't know if it was brought on by the petty spurge, but it was rather coincidental.
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Brigid
60 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2011 : 15:06:56
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SoFl,
Your advice welcome. You recommend bandaging with crushed leaves in water--right after applying full-strength sap or when sap has dried? Location just over upper lip and on nostrils makes bandages hard (talking and eating difficult). I also get a variety of different symptoms each time I treat. On round 4 now. So glad it's worked for you. Hopeful.
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Irene
Canada
18 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2011 : 15:19:56
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Have never heard of crushed leaves being effective! Just the sap - use it fresh. I only ever bandaged to hide the sore, not to treat. At home I'd take the bandages off.
Perhaps the very first day you might want to bandage to keep from touching the spot and spreading the sap.
I tried to stop the sap from touching the 'good' skin by putting polysporin around the spot before treating it - BAD CHOICE! The sap went into the polysporin and a much larger area got affected than need be.
Irene
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Originally posted by Brigid
SoFl,
Your advice welcome. You recommend bandaging with crushed leaves in water--right after applying full-strength sap or when sap has dried? Location just over upper lip and on nostrils makes bandages hard (talking and eating difficult). I also get a variety of different symptoms each time I treat. On round 4 now. So glad it's worked for you. Hopeful.
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Grace
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Posted - 05/13/2011 : 19:59:43
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Just checking in. My seeds are doing well. They have about 4-6 leaves on each plant but they are still little seedling guys. They get bigger everyday and are doing fine. I hope they get past the 3" mark. Question. How does the sap affect healthy skin nearby? I was under the impression that it didn't affect the healthy skin, only the cancer area.
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Alexis Fecteau
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2011 : 21:45:54
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The sap will affect the healthy skin. Healthy skin will get slightly irritated, become pink, and should recover immediately upon completion of the treatment. I overdid the treatment on a spot and was concerned with the skin coming off a healthy area but it immediately recovered when I stopped the treatment, while killing all the cancerous cells.
My understanding of the process, or at least what I've read is that the spurge creates a buildup of hydrogen peroxide in the cells, while healthy cells are able to process and flush the peroxide, cancerous cells don't have the mechanism/enzyme/proteins to do so and therefore cause cell apoptosis or cell death.
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Jul
USA
6 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2011 : 19:40:02
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I have been following the posts and I am ready to try the PS on several spots, but have a few questions. I just realized my plant has already started seeding and I am wondering how long i will have until it dies and there is no more sap ( I live in South FL). I am concerned about starting treatment and running out of plant/sap. Also how much sap will I need to apply each time for a dime size surface area bcc? Also how often should I apply and should I cover or not cover the area with a band-aid or leaf and a band-aid? Also can you treat several spots at once or is it better to treat one at a time?
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Irene
Canada
18 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2011 : 20:33:36
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Pretty much all of this has been covered several times in the forum - just re-read the earlier posts and you will get the benefit of getting answers from quite a few people - all of us have similar, yet different experiences.
I for example don't think you should use anything but fresh sap. I don't cover a treated area as my skin just heals better when it gets lots of air.
My plants continued to grow and flower and throw seeds (Litterally!) through the house for months - so as long as you continue to water it, don't worry about it dying all of a sudden. Not a bad idea to throw a few new seeds in a new pot to always have some nice young plants on hand.
You only need a tiny droplet of sap to treat an area - the size of a match stick head would treat 3 - 4 such large spots as you describe.
Some people experience extreme fatigue when treating themselves with Petty Spurge - hence treating just one spot, or two little spots at a time might be best. For your very first time, I'd never treat more than one tiny spot as you don't know the extend of the reaction you will get.
One thing for sure, I have never read a post of anyone having severe problems with the treatments. Do be very careful around your eyes with the stuff though - reports are that one can go blind if the sap gets into your eye(s), and the sap is quite mobile on the skin. So no eye treatment, no lids, nothing close to the eyes!
Irene
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Originally posted by Jul
I have been following the posts and I am ready to try the PS on several spots, but have a few questions. I just realized my plant has already started seeding and I am wondering how long i will have until it dies and there is no more sap ( I live in South FL). I am concerned about starting treatment and running out of plant/sap. Also how much sap will I need to apply each time for a dime size surface area bcc? Also how often should I apply and should I cover or not cover the area with a band-aid or leaf and a band-aid? Also can you treat several spots at once or is it better to treat one at a time?
Thank you so much
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Jul
USA
6 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2011 : 10:18:06
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Thank you for your help Irene. I started treatment on a dime size spot on my ear just above the ear lobe. I followed the advice of SoFL and treated with sap then covered with the leaf and a bandage. I did this before bed. The spot began itching almost immediately. In the middle of the night the area was very painful and throbbing and I could not sleep so i removed the leaf and just covered with a clean bandage. This morning I applied new sap and leaf and covered again with bandage. I will see how it goes. I would rather use the leaf during the day and not at night so I can sleep. I will definetely treat only one spot at a time because they are mostly all on my face and all my spots are large and I am concerned that they might spread to other areas nearby.
One more question. When the PS spreads and reveals more cancer in areas around the original do you continue to put PS on just the original spot or do you use it on the new spots as well?
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Irene
Canada
18 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2011 : 10:34:44
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Others have reported spontaneous healing of spots near the treated sites. Usually small spots though.
Personally, other than the first spot that was surgically removed, I have only had very small spots and have treated them one or two at a time. I've always let them heal after just two applications three days apart. Some reduced in size rather than disappearing, and I have not retreated those yet. Rather keeping an eye on them to see if they grow at all.
So far there is little change, so I won't treat them until I don't have to work for a week or so.
Sorry I can't answer all your questions...
Irene
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Originally posted by Jul
Thank you for your help Irene. I started treatment on a dime size spot on my ear just above the ear lobe. I followed the advice of SoFL and treated with sap then covered with the leaf and a bandage. I did this before bed. The spot began itching almost immediately. In the middle of the night the area was very painful and throbbing and I could not sleep so i removed the leaf and just covered with a clean bandage. This morning I applied new sap and leaf and covered again with bandage. I will see how it goes. I would rather use the leaf during the day and not at night so I can sleep. I will definetely treat only one spot at a time because they are mostly all on my face and all my spots are large and I am concerned that they might spread to other areas nearby.
One more question. When the PS spreads and reveals more cancer in areas around the original do you continue to put PS on just the original spot or do you use it on the new spots as well?
Julia
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Grace
5 Posts |
Posted - 05/15/2011 : 15:42:24
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Thanks for the information and answers everyone! I will be starting (when my plants get there) with a confirmed by biopsy SCC in the center of my chest but I am worried about the bcc on my left nostril. I think I will wait on the face until I have treated elsewhere on my body and get comfortable with the PS treatments. Have to say this forum got rid of all of my anger and fear caused by "Dr. Hackers" I have been to.
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Jul
USA
6 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2011 : 12:06:07
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Thank you again Irene!
I applied the PS again yesterday for 24 hours and then applied again this morning. This morning was my 3rd application. I did not have much pain yesterday, but the pain today is intense (burning and throbbing). I think this may be because the ear is such a sensitive area? Also this morning the area was a bit bloody and fleshy, no pit had developed. I was wondering will a pit develop in an area with cartilage like the ear? If any one has done a treatment on the ear any info would be helpful. The hardest part is knowing how long to treat for, especially the first time using the PS and if no pit develops.
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Irene
Canada
18 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2011 : 12:57:08
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It always hurts the first day or so after treatment. Bear with it :)
I think the development of a pit depends on the size and edpth of the BCC.
I wish you success!
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Originally posted by Jul
Thank you again Irene!
I applied the PS again yesterday for 24 hours and then applied again this morning. This morning was my 3rd application. I did not have much pain yesterday, but the pain today is intense (burning and throbbing). I think this may be because the ear is such a sensitive area? Also this morning the area was a bit bloody and fleshy, no pit had developed. I was wondering will a pit develop in an area with cartilage like the ear? If any one has done a treatment on the ear any info would be helpful. The hardest part is knowing how long to treat for, especially the first time using the PS and if no pit develops.
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Brigid
60 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2011 : 13:11:11
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For the burning pain, I've found homeopathic belladonna, 30C, helpful. Recommended to me by my homeopath. If you're not familiar with how to take homeopathic remedies, read up on google. It's not enough to follow instructions on the tube. Available at health food stores, no scrip necessary.
For areas that have spread, I definitely put it everywhere it has spread. When these areas are large, it poses a problem: how to not to overload my system w/ too much sap on the one hand and on the other not to dilute the sap. If not diluted, to cover the whole area would mean too many drops of sap for me to tolerate. I've arrived at a compromise---I don't dilute the sap, but decide which of a large area I'm going to treat, knowing that I can come back and do another part of the area later. Generally, but not always, the sap will spread on its own to inflame the whole area. For me, multiple treatments on the same spots and areas have been necessary. And I'm now looking into diet, enzymes and systemic remedies to stop the spread. Dan has written some useful information (long) on the skin cancer topical treatments section of this forum, I think. It's at the beginning of some section, anyway.
Hope this helps.
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Jul
USA
6 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2011 : 17:44:03
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Thank you for your insight! Pleases let us know if you find any diet or internal strategies that have been effective for you.
I have applied PS again today the 4th application and covered with the leaf and a bandage. I did not have any pain until about 6-7 hours after applying and covering. I have noticed on the previous applications that once I remove the bandage and leaf the pain slowly subsides. Is the pain a sign of something? Is it better to leave it covered and suffer through the pain or should I uncover and let the pain subside. Also, is the pain a sign that I should keep treating? I am still confused about how long to treat to make sure to get it all. I would prefer if possible not to not have to retreat because I have so many more spots to treat and this could go on for quite a while if I have to retreat them.
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waverider
50 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2011 : 22:22:46
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| The question of how long to treat is one of the x-factors here. I did 5 days, once a day. Others have gone more than 10 days, I believe. Unfortunately, I think we are each of us an experiment of one, at this point. I would think that after 5 days, particularly if you've been adding the leaf and bandage, it might be a good time to let it heal up and see what you've got. There's really no downside in having to re-treat. The little leftover hot-spots I had after round 1 were smaller than a pinhead and were completely wiped out by the second round. The pain you are getting may be coming from the caustic nature of petty spurge. This caustic property has very little to do with its anti-cancer properties, which are a topical chemotherapy process rather than a "burning" away. Still, you do get some burning with this and it seems unavoidable. Once after crushing a lot of petty spurge leaves and foolishly not washing my hands, I inadvertently wiped an eye with one hand. I spend that afternoon flushing my burning eye with water. It was worse than getting jalapeno juice in your eye. So, yes, petty spurge is caustic. |
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Jul
USA
6 Posts |
Posted - 05/20/2011 : 12:56:39
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| I applied PS again yesterday (6th application )and covered with a leaf and bandage. Yesterday was the first time I was able to leave the bandage and leaf on for 24 hours. The pain/discomfort was much more tolerable yesterday. Yesterday morning and this morning there was an irregular pit formed with yellowish/white surrounding areas. I cannot tell if these surrounding areas are skin or dried oozing or scabbing or more cancer. I cleaned with peroxide and water but the yellowish areas did not go away. I treated with PS again and covered with leaf and bandage. I will see how it goes today. I am still trying to figure out if I should stop yet. Today was my 7th application of the PS. |
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Jul
USA
6 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2011 : 11:05:07
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Originally posted by SoFl
I have never used it on a broad area, only spot treatment. Based on working with it, I would be very hesitant to use it on a broad area. Instead I am ahead of it enough now so I just use in on anything that pops up.
Hi SoFl
Thanks so much for all your posts, they have been very helpful. I have a question regarding the above post. What do you mean by a "broad area"? What would you consider broad? Also, why do you say that based on working with it, you would be hesitant to use it on a broad area?
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Irene
Canada
18 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2011 : 17:44:55
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Yes, I think it's time to stop treating!!
Irene
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Originally posted by Jul
I applied PS again yesterday (6th application )and covered with a leaf and bandage. Yesterday was the first time I was able to leave the bandage and leaf on for 24 hours. The pain/discomfort was much more tolerable yesterday. Yesterday morning and this morning there was an irregular pit formed with yellowish/white surrounding areas. I cannot tell if these surrounding areas are skin or dried oozing or scabbing or more cancer. I cleaned with peroxide and water but the yellowish areas did not go away. I treated with PS again and covered with leaf and bandage. I will see how it goes today. I am still trying to figure out if I should stop yet. Today was my 7th application of the PS.
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cause
United Kingdom
4 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2011 : 10:05:12
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A update that may help some, or maybe not.
I had a dull red spot high on my nose next to my left eye for many years. Over the last year it got larger and started to weep and then scab over. I did what most men did and totally ignored it.
However last year visiting a doctor for a unrelated problem I pointed it out and it was confirmed as a rodent ulcer that must be cut out. I was sent to a plastic surgeon as he was going to be required to graft skin from my forehead or neck to cover the gap and then it all stalled. He was reluctant to operate as I was currently taking pills that prevents clotting and I was put on a lenghty waiting list.
Cue petty spurge. Thankfully at this stage papers in the UK started running stories about this miracle plant. I then discovered this forum and as advised bought the seeds from Australia.
They arrived within one week and about 15 seeds were planted in independent pots indoors. About 60% germination success and all within a week.
On arrival of the spring 6 were planted outdoors but 4 died quickly. Without doubt mine do not like direct sun but are happy in the shade with wet feet.
After about a month they have all reached 5/6 inched in height, so I decided to start treatment.
My ulcer was about a quarter of an inch round, high on the inside of my nose close to the eye. My method was to cut a stem with scissors which immediately gave a large blob of sap which I carefully applied to the centre of the ulcer. After about 2 minutes the sap has soaked in and I got on with the day. Not covered.
Day 2. Ulcer going red. Another dose applied the same way. Day 3. Ulcer angry. Another dose applied. Then I left it alone, washing as normal and never covering. Quickly a very dark scab covered the area but at no time did I feel any pain, any discomfort or any tiredness.
Day 10 scab came off revealed new pink skin, no crater, no scarring, no damage to other areas and more importantly no sign whatsoever of any cancer, just PINK SKIN.
I didn't bleed and die, I didn't blind myself and I'm very grateful to this forum and petty spurge.
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Carolee
United Kingdom
7 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2011 : 13:56:31
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Cause what a good post, really direct and to the point. How long ago was this? Is it still healed?
You say that after the scab came off there was no sign of a crater, does this mean that you had a crater with a ridge around it? If so, was the ridge also completely gone? The reason I ask is because I have now done 2 separate treatments with petty spurge, over 3 days like you but I kept it covered with a bandaid inbetween.
After the first time it came back just the same as before, The second time I finished about 2 weeks ago and its now looking a lot better, but I'm really not sure whether the ridge has gone. Its flatter but I can still see the outline of the ridge. I dont think it's finished healing yet so I'm waiting to see what it looks like in another week or so.
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marsha
USA
122 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2011 : 10:54:38
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| My petty spurge treated spots looked bad after they healed. I treated them for perhaps 21 days. The spot on the tip of my nose became a lump,a raised bump. The side of my nose got several bumps and a blister looking thing. I went to the derm. she said the bump was a small cyst, and I had a bcc on the side. She told me to use efudex. So I decided to treat 4 spots.1 on my lip, one on the tip of my nose, and 2 on the right side of my nose. I started with curaderm, since the ps hadn't started to grow yet. I did that for a month or so until the progress slowed down. Then I hit it 1 time with petty spurge. It really hurt and swelled up and I guess remembering all the bumps I ended up with stopped me from continuing on. So I went back to just the curaderm. 2 places healed while using the curaderm. the one on the side of my nose and the one above my lip. But I think I fell a bump on the one above my lip. The other 2 just kind of stayed the same, not healing not getting bigger. So once a day I washed them with bobs banking soda, then put iodine on them until it dried then put the curaderm back on. Rapid progress. They got wider and deeper. So that's where I am and maybe this should go under the curaderm site, or maybe the iodine site. |
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BigD
Australia
8 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2011 : 22:43:33
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Hello, thought I would add my experience with Petty Spurge as I probably went at it in a slightly different fashion. First of all thanks to the ppl that originally posted (Sofl I believe?) regarding the plant otherwise I would have been trapped using efudex (cosmetic effects of treatment weren't great). Amazing there wasn't much information on the net regarding it's use until recently, being as it is so effective.
I had a few spots on my face that looked suspicious so was principally looking to treat those but guessing that there were probably other areas waiting to spring up I treated the whole face. The sap was applied directly to the more obvious problem areas and then the leaves were crushed up with a tiny drop of distilled water and painted on the rest of the face using a small painters brush. Areas that I knew were an issue scabbed up quickest other areas that also started to scab i applied with sap and then again painted the whole face with the crushed leaves. Suffice to say my whole face went red and large areas scabbed. Continued this treatment for about nine days (twice a day). I was amazed at how quickly the skin seems to heal after the PS treatment. After 3 weeks there was just a slight pinkish tinge and then at 4 weeks I was cruising in the carribean with company and the skin was looking better than it had in a long time.
It has been almost a year and I am looking at growing some more plants and repeating the treatment. I will be interested to see if I get a similar reaction or wether it will be much reduced, I am presuming the latter. I would envisage having to do this several times through the years ahead but that of course will depend on results of the ongoing treatments.
A couple of notes: Within the first 3 weeks of treating be careful about going out in the sun. I live on the beach and after 2.5 weaks couldn't resist the water and ended up going ruby red for a couple of days after only a few minutes in the sun. I did apply crushed leaves near the eyes but had no adverse reaction.
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marsha
USA
122 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2011 : 00:24:02
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| I sure wish you had taken pictures. I was all so wondering if you had any deep,very deep spots?That sounds very brave. Thank you for posting. |
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Irene
Canada
18 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2011 : 06:47:21
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Thank you for detailing your experience. In my opinion, you did go at it with an "over-kill" method that is not necessary, and perhaps even quite unhealthy.
Treating just the spots diagnosed to be, or that you suspect to be, BCC seems to me the better and more prudent approach.
Irene
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Originally posted by BigD
Hello, thought I would add my experience with Petty Spurge as I probably went at it in a slightly different fashion. First of all thanks to the ppl that originally posted (Sofl I believe?) regarding the plant otherwise I would have been trapped using efudex (cosmetic effects of treatment weren't great). Amazing there wasn't much information on the net regarding it's use until recently, being as it is so effective.
I had a few spots on my face that looked suspicious so was principally looking to treat those but guessing that there were probably other areas waiting to spring up I treated the whole face. The sap was applied directly to the more obvious problem areas and then the leaves were crushed up with a tiny drop of distilled water and painted on the rest of the face using a small painters brush. Areas that I knew were an issue scabbed up quickest other areas that also started to scab i applied with sap and then again painted the whole face with the crushed leaves. Suffice to say my whole face went red and large areas scabbed. Continued this treatment for about nine days (twice a day). I was amazed at how quickly the skin seems to heal after the PS treatment. After 3 weeks there was just a slight pinkish tinge and then at 4 weeks I was cruising in the carribean with company and the skin was looking better than it had in a long time.
It has been almost a year and I am looking at growing some more plants and repeating the treatment. I will be interested to see if I get a similar reaction or wether it will be much reduced, I am presuming the latter. I would envisage having to do this several times through the years ahead but that of course will depend on results of the ongoing treatments.
A couple of notes: Within the first 3 weeks of treating be careful about going out in the sun. I live on the beach and after 2.5 weaks couldn't resist the water and ended up going ruby red for a couple of days after only a few minutes in the sun. I did apply crushed leaves near the eyes but had no adverse reaction.
Regards
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BigD
Australia
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Posted - 06/04/2011 : 01:10:17
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Hello Marsha, no I did not have any deep spots just superficial
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I sure wish you had taken pictures. I was all so wondering if you had any deep,very deep spots?That sounds very brave. Thank you for posting.
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BigD
Australia
8 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2011 : 07:46:40
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As users of this plant will know the hardest part is trying to find that 3 week window of opportunity in between work commitments and social commitments where you can get away with having a less than attractive visage. Has anyone been succesful in growing the plant all year round ie. once one lot dies off another is ready to go so you can do the treatments when it suits you best and not just in late spring.
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marsha
USA
122 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2011 : 10:34:00
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| I have the wild seeds + the ordered seeds. The wild seeds produce a smaller leafed plant.They both re-seeded,and grew more plants. the wild one stayed alive all winter, but got really shriveled. To bad I don't like the petty spurge right now, be cause I sure have a lot of it. |
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janagain
USA
16 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2011 : 17:37:28
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| In answer to BigD regarding keeping the plants alive all year long: I live in the Phoenix, Arizona, USA metro area where it gets up to 120 degrees in summer and touches freezing in winter. It's desert climate, meaning it's very dry and sunny all year long. I'm growing my plants on a north-facing patio in shallow planters. This winter my petty spurge got very little direct sun at all. I planted them from the Australian seeds last July. The plants are thriving, re-seeding themselves and now in various stages of growth. All I do is water them once a day. The seeds have blown into other planters and now I am overtaken with petty spurge!! I have no green thumb, so this is definitely a noxious weed, but I am happy to have a future source should any bcc spots recur...have used PS on warts and old-age spots with success. Cannot report, however, on using PS on bcc as I didn't have it when treating my bcc. My conclusion is PS can be grown in a multitude of climates with benign neglect and the plants have great longevity. As others have suggested, use the Australian source--it's very reputable. |
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Irene
Canada
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Posted - 06/06/2011 : 10:42:15
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IMHO The size of the leaves seems to depend on the light, moisture and soil quality, not the origin of the seed.
The new seeds that my plants (from Australian seeds) threw all over the place are growing with wild abandon. Seeds I planted from those I found inside scattered over the floor have resulted in massive growth (see picture I posted a couple of months back).
Irene
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I have the wild seeds + the ordered seeds. The wild seeds produce a smaller leafed plant.They both re-seeded,and grew more plants. the wild one stayed alive all winter, but got really shriveled. To bad I don't like the petty spurge right now, be cause I sure have a lot of it.
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BigD
Australia
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Posted - 06/07/2011 : 07:12:13
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I did actually take photos Marsha or rather my partner did, but they are exactly as you would expect. No reaction where there was no sun damage mostly the chin area, scabbing and redness on areas where there was; mainly nose, cheeks and forehead. The great thing with Petty is that it heals quickly and the look of the scabbing and colouring is natural, as opposed to efudex which seems to go a very unatural bright red colour when it is doing its thing. I have just laid down some new seeds in expectation of a new tretment come spring time
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Hello Marsha, no I did not have any deep spots just superficial
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I sure wish you had taken pictures. I was all so wondering if you had any deep,very deep spots?That sounds very brave. Thank you for posting.
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BigD
Australia
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 00:47:43
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A wild shot here. I live in Perth WA does anyone know of the plants growing in this area?
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Irene
Canada
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 09:39:57
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As per: http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=EUPE6
here is the range map for the USA
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A wild shot here. I live in Perth WA does anyone know of the plants growing in this area?
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Jul
USA
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 09:54:57
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I finished treating my ear and it is still scabbed and healing. I started treating a spot on my nose a couple days ago and it has opened a much larger area surrounding. The area is not deep at all just shallow and spread all around. The pain on my nose so far is much less intense than it was on my ear.
I notice little white specs in the area I have been treating. Does anyone know what these are or what this means? I did not notice these on the ear, but it was harder for me to see and the area was much deeper. Also, should i apply PS to the entire area even though it is large about the size of a silver dollar?
Thanks
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clearlake
USA
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 10:13:26
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| I don't know about the white spots, but if treating that large area doesn't hurt, I would say go for it and get it under control all at the same time. Petty doesn't scar that much, so however upset you or others are at your appearance now, it is temporary. |
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Grace
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Posted - 06/19/2011 : 20:46:26
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Hi everyone! I'm back. My seeds did well and are ready ahead of the schedule I thought I would use. I figured they would be ready about July 4th but there are flowers starting already so I started tonight treating the one spot on my chest, confirmed SCC.
In growing my seeds I followed Irene's advice and my plants look a lot like hers. When I snipped the leaf, I only got a tiny bit of sap from it and was disappointed, then I saw the leaf stem I snipped it from that was still on the plant. There's the sap! Perfect tiny amount, used a dental tool and applied so no touching.
Thank you Irene (and all the others) for the excellent advice. Will keep in touch to update on how it goes.
PS I didn't realize there was another Grace on this forum. Apologies for the similar name. No idea how to change it! |
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Grace
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Posted - 06/19/2011 : 20:51:34
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Hi everyone! I'm back. My seeds did well and are ready ahead of the schedule I thought I would use. I figured they would be ready about July 4th but there are flowers starting already so I started tonight treating the one spot on my chest, confirmed SCC.
In growing my seeds I followed Irene's advice and my plants look a lot like hers. When I snipped the leaf, I only got a tiny bit of sap from it and was disappointed, then I saw the leaf stem I snipped it from that was still on the plant. There's the sap! Perfect tiny amount, used a dental tool and applied so no touching.
Thank you Irene (and all the others) for the excellent advice. Will keep in touch to update on how it goes.
PS I didn't realize there was another Grace on this forum. Apologies for the similar name. No idea how to change it! |
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Grace
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Posted - 06/19/2011 : 20:58:42
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Hi everyone! I'm back. My seeds did well and are ready ahead of the schedule I thought I would use. I figured they would be ready about July 4th but there are flowers starting already so I started tonight treating the one spot on my chest, confirmed SCC.
In growing my seeds I followed Irene's advice and my plants look a lot like hers. When I snipped the leaf, I only got a tiny bit of sap from it and was disappointed, then I saw the leaf stem I snipped it from that was still on the plant. There's the sap! Perfect tiny amount, used a dental tool and applied so no touching.
Thank you Irene (and all the others) for the excellent advice. Will keep in touch to update on how it goes.
PS I didn't realize there was another Grace on this forum. Apologies for the similar name. No idea how to change it! |
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Petty Spurge Herb sap for skin cancers
