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Houston
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 Posted - 06/19/2011 : 23:44:23
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I was a test subject in the 3rd phase of the Peplin study. I was only allowed to treat an area that was approximately 2" x 3" on the side of my face - cheek to the ear. The instructions were to apply once a day for 3 days. The area was not to be covered. The area reacted immediately, first going red and then opening up with fluid and what appeared to be whitehead pimples ... very similar to some of the pictures shown here. The reaction was pretty intense and frightening looking. It did itch, but it wasn't horrible. It scabbed over. About 2 weeks after treatment, most of the reaction had faded. About 2 months after treatment, there really was little indication of treatment. They kept me in the study for an additional 6 months or so to monitor. There was no return of the AKs and BCs in the area. The study was for AKs.
I asked to be called for further studies. I'm currently in the 2nd phase of a 2-phase treatment over the entire facc for a new Zyclara generic. I don't know whether I have the Zyclara or the generic. I definitely do not have the placebo. I started with 7 AKs and BCs on my face. After 2 weeks of applying once daily, there were 21 AKs and BCs. After 2 weeks of rest, there were 3 left. I'm 10 days into the 2nd phase and there are (to my eye) about 7 new inflamed ugly areas. I preferred the Peplin for several reasons. It was applied only for 3 days vs a total of 28. Other than the severe nasty ugly reaction and irritation at the site, I had no other symptoms. With the Zyclara (or the generic if I'm using that), I felt ok for the first 3 days. After that, I had (sorry) nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, cold sores, horrible fatigue. Who'd think a topical could make me feel so badly. The side effects persisted almost 10 days after finishing the 1st phase. The doc advised that I try taking Unisom each evening for the 2nd phase. While still tired and nauseous with some diarrhea, it is not nearly as bad as the first phase.
So now I've purchased some Petty Spurge seeds, and I will attempt to grow them indoors. I have so many areas of concern after years of black-red sunburns on fair skin. Unfortunately, these research studies don't treat the entire problem -- only the areas selected by the doctor.
Correction - the original Peplin study lasted 6-8 months. They added on an additional year. |
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clearlake
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Posted - 06/20/2011 : 10:24:30
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| Wow Houston! Great Post! Everyone here who's tried Petty Spurge already feels like a guinea pig, but now we're hearing from a guinea pig who's gotten guidance! Very interesting that the treatment time is 3 days (for AKs). Interesting they did not have you cover it. I thought Peplin was supposed to come out with their product by now? Do you have any inside info on this? Please keep posting on your continued experimentation with Petty Spurge and let us know if the previously treated area is "cured" or what over time. Your skin sounds so much like mine, with all the problems . . . |
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Houston
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Posted - 06/20/2011 : 10:58:54
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Hi - I am now about 2 years post Peplin treatment. (Just went on a woman's retreat last month and was really ugly for the same retreat 2 years ago!) I've seen nothing returning in the Peplin-treated area. The Zyclara/or Zyclara generic treatment has not pulled up anything new in this area either. Are you in Clear Lake, Texas? or somewhere else? I ask because the doctor is still taking patients for the Zyclara research. They tell me that my side reactions are not common. Nausea today.
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Wow Houston! Great Post! Everyone here who's tried Petty Spurge already feels like a guinea pig, but now we're hearing from a guinea pig who's gotten guidance! Very interesting that the treatment time is 3 days (for AKs). Interesting they did not have you cover it. I thought Peplin was supposed to come out with their product by now? Do you have any inside info on this? Please keep posting on your continued experimentation with Petty Spurge and let us know if the previously treated area is "cured" or what over time. Your skin sounds so much like mine, with all the problems . . .
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clearlake
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Posted - 06/20/2011 : 15:14:12
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| No, I'm located in Florida. I've tried Aldara a few times, which Dan posted is similar to your Z stuff and I reacted strangely also. Aldara made me very hyper, if I applied it at night as they directed, it kept me up all night. If I applied by day it was just a weird day, and I guess it was hyping up my obviously slow immune system. I've read some negative things on this forum about Aldara side effects, and I'd just as soon stay away from it. |
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Houston
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Posted - 06/20/2011 : 17:50:42
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| I also read Dan's Aldara post and was pretty frightened by it. I believe the Zyclara is a lesser strength of the IQ. I can deal with the nausea, headaches, exhaustion, etc., but more than this would be horrible. |
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julielshepard
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Posted - 06/26/2011 : 21:50:00
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OK, I am posting for the first time. Do not try this at home just had to try it. I have put up with AC since last November and now it is almost July. The constant itching, sloughing skin made me scared. Keep in mind my skin is very thin and pale and I avoid sun like crazy, so when I did the 6 mile walk on the hot day with no hat, well I got the AC on my forehead and nose. I tried the route of Apple Cider Vinegar first, with Mother, which is supposed to work, but it did not. So I looked for Petty Spurge and yesterday I sat in my car with a plastic pen lid. The little stick end that holds it to a shirt pocket is a perfect applicator. I slathered 10 plants' sap all over the forehead and nose. I'm sure I did the whole three day treatment in one day.
Day 1- One hour later the jalepeno sensation began and my forehead and nose got very hot. Four hours later the veins and muscles were standing up and throbbing. The throbbing continued all night long and I could not sleep well.
Day 2- Pizza Face comes to mind. Bubbled skin, raw underneath. I won't put more on because this reaction is so over the top already, I can't imagine how people apply it for a week. I would have no skin left.
Now the end of the day and the oozing is very bad. I am so scared for secondary infection that aloe vera went on first to help the intense itching, and now neosporin is my best friend. I have to pick the ooze back to stay at the eyebrow line because I know that will turn into a huge scab, it is already drying into a crust. I am very concerned that I rubbed the skin on my nose and it began to lift off to expose a huge pink skin like an open blister. Thus the concern for secondary infection. I have to lay back and watch my face swell like a huge bee sting. I want to cry because I am so scared, but I am hearing stories of surgeons much scarier than this, so I will trust those who have already been doing this. Here is a pick of day 2 pizza face. The red dots on nose and forehead have all ben replaced by uniform red swelling, oozing, jelly like skin under the initial dermis, and I feel like a clingon with that fat forehead piece on. |
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julielshepard
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Posted - 06/26/2011 : 22:24:05
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I keep trying to insert the image. here goes again for day 2 pizza face... As you will notice, my eyes have also swollen a bit, as has my whole face. I am very sensitive to any medications, which is why I better not put more on. My whole forehead is already a liquid ooze. You can see my nose also inflamed.
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julielshepard
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Posted - 06/26/2011 : 22:35:47
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I am attaching this pic of a petty spurge with my hand behind because I don't think people who look for it realize how tiny this plant really is. I found fully grown ones 8 inches high and fully seeding plants only three inches high.
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Brigid
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Posted - 06/26/2011 : 23:13:41
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Julie,
Sap from 10 plants is waaaaay too much. Where did you make cuts to get the sap? From the main stems?
The way most people apply the sap on this forum is to just get a drop---sometimes a tiny drop smaller than a straight pin head. You can cut a single leaf at the base, on the tiny stem that holds it to the larger stem. No need to cut any of the stems. One drop is enough for a little bump on your face. (For larger areas, one poster here has had a lot of success on himself and family members by crushing up some leaves, putting them on the larger areas and covering them with a bandage.) But glad you're stopping for now.
I understand wanting to get it all out at once. But it's often a process, and better to go slow with it. The max I've used is 7 drops on different areas at one application, and that was too much. (Just to give you some idea.)
It seems hard to believe when you're going through it but your face really will heal. If you look at the posts on this forum, you'll seem some pretty nasty sores and posts where people were scared too. They do heal. Check out the posts from the beginning. There's a lot of helpful info here.
Besides what you're already doing to prevent infection, you could take 2 - 5 grams of vitamin C, and an herbal antibiotic as well, such as echinacea or D-Lenolate, and keep sugar, peanut butter, cream, butter, coffee, colas (inflammatory foods) and any food allergens out of your diet while treating. Eating fresh ginger and raw olive oil helps reduce inflammation. I cooked with a lot of ginger while treating. Onions and mushrooms (or mushroom extract) also strengthen immunity.
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Originally posted by julielshepard
OK, I am posting for the first time. Do not try this at home just had to try it. I have put up with AC since last November and now it is almost July. The constant itching, sloughing skin made me scared. Keep in mind my skin is very thin and pale and I avoid sun like crazy, so when I did the 6 mile walk on the hot day with no hat, well I got the AC on my forehead and nose. I tried the route of Apple Cider Vinegar first, with Mother, which is supposed to work, but it did not. So I looked for Petty Spurge and yesterday I sat in my car with a plastic pen lid. The little stick end that holds it to a shirt pocket is a perfect applicator. I slathered 10 plants' sap all over the forehead and nose. I'm sure I did the whole three day treatment in one day.
Day 1- One hour later the jalepeno sensation began and my forehead and nose got very hot. Four hours later the veins and muscles were standing up and throbbing. The throbbing continued all night long and I could not sleep well.
Day 2- Pizza Face comes to mind. Bubbled skin, raw underneath. I won't put more on because this reaction is so over the top already, I can't imagine how people apply it for a week. I would have no skin left.
Now the end of the day and the oozing is very bad. I am so scared for secondary infection that aloe vera went on first to help the intense itching, and now neosporin is my best friend. I have to pick the ooze back to stay at the eyebrow line because I know that will turn into a huge scab, it is already drying into a crust. I am very concerned that I rubbed the skin on my nose and it began to lift off to expose a huge pink skin like an open blister. Thus the concern for secondary infection. I have to lay back and watch my face swell like a huge bee sting. I want to cry because I am so scared, but I am hearing stories of surgeons much scarier than this, so I will trust those who have already been doing this. Here is a pick of day 2 pizza face. The red dots on nose and forehead have all been replaced by uniform red swelling, oozing, jelly like skin under the initial dermis, and I feel like a clingon with that fat forehead piece on.
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julielshepard
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Posted - 06/27/2011 : 01:31:18
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Well, the itching stopped at the end of day 2. To answer your question, my A.k. had gone on for 8 months now and the itching was getting so intense that I was finally willing to try this. I didn't think it was this potent. I broke the fresh plant off near the top and took the drop of white sap, then another break and sap, and another break and sap until I had gotten down all major stems (IT DRIPS OUT)and gotten all the sap. I used pure sap, not ground leaves, because I had collected lots of plants and was able to give myself a large dose. I now see that the sun damage goes across my whole forehead and down the left side of my face, consistent with the direction we walked on a 6 mile march when the sun was at full noon (very stupid, I might add, while the young people still swear skin cancer is made up by the government, and they do not fear it) Here is a pic of the end of day 2 and the skin all coming off. The oozing has slowed and we are getting ready for a huge scab. I look like a large blister. Keep in mind the ac was across my whole forehead, not one or two dots, so I could not see where one started and the other ended- single dots would not have worked for me.It really was quite severe.
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Juls
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Posted - 06/29/2011 : 17:46:52
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It has been a year since I last posted with my hopes of growing some PS. My first ones that I ordered from Aus. did not have much success. I grew them in the house in a room that was kept between 75 and 72 degrees. Built a ledge on a window for them so they got good light but not direct sunlight. They only got about 2-3 inches high then all wilted. I then ordered 4 more packs from Australia. Finally got around to planting them 8 weeks ago. This time however I have done them all outside. Mind you I live in Galveston,Tx and it is very hot here. Heat index in the 100's. They are on a little table out of direct sun and seem to be doing very well inspite of all I've read they do not like heat. But on the same note as was stated they like air thus not doing so well inside. I keep a very close eye on them and if I see they may not be doing well I will bring them in during the day and put them out at night.
In the big pot I put a whole pack of seeds in with just straight Miracle grow potting soil, In the 2 smaller pots I used a half of a pack in each. Their soil is mixed half with Miracle grow Violet potting soil(which is high in alkaline)and half regular Miracle grow potting soil. Now the big pot with a whole pack only half came up, the 2 small pots with a pack divided with the mixture of soil they ALL came up. Wasn't expecting them to all come up thus in small pots, so need to repot them soon. Hate to disturb them but will watch them on how they are doing if I need to repot. I still have 2 packs of seeds on stand by, but so far these seem to be doing ok outside in this heat.
Also read to pinch the tops which I read to late to do to make them a more bushy plant. Will next time.
Attaching photos I took today of them as the leaves seem so small right now. Wanted to know when you are able to start using them?
Also attaching photos of some of my cancer spots that are rather large and if anyone has used the PS on such large spots. I have numerous smaller places all over my arms,hands,chest, and face. The one on my lip I did have removed years ago. Was very small. They cut my lip in half and was only the size of a large pimple then. Said they got it all. Well it came back and a BAM and exploded. In the last year I am having a explosion of outbreaks coming out all over. Which I believe it is in my system spreading everywhere. Bad sign.
I'm not scared to try this PS because the way I look at it as you see from the photos they are now quite large and very ugly to look at, so what a doctor would do to me I would lose my lip and such with their surgery now. The large ones are extremely painful, one on my lip as you can see now starting to eat my lip and the one on my arm that is in the fold of my arm is very painful as where it is with moment.I am embarrassed to go out anymore. Haven't been fishing in over a year now which is my favorite thing to do. I avoid the sun and have become a prisoner in my own home. I have tried some of the other home treatments on here, from eggplant,vitamin C,amonia,vinager,you name it, was posted on here I tried it. I really don't care about any scaring from the PS as you can see anything would be an Improvement from what I look like now. People look at me like I have something contagious.
So anyway just wanted to share and ask if the plants were big enough and when I start I will keep photos of my progress of such large spots.
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clearlake
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Posted - 07/03/2011 : 16:15:42
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| Juls, are you sure it's cancer? Have you had a biopsy to confirm? Awfully rapid acceleration for Basal Cell - supposedly so slow growing. Looks almost like Eczema. |
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waverider
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Posted - 07/03/2011 : 19:59:34
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Not a doctor and not playing one, but this has a resemblance to superficial basal cell.
http://www.dermapics.com/superficial%20basal%20cell%20carcinoma.html
Superficial BCC is less common than the nodular or ulcerative BCC that most people get. It really likes to spring up on the shoulders and upper back. As the name implies, superficial spreads horizontally just beneath the top of the skin vs. digging down deep vertically like nodular BCC does. It typically covers more real estate than other types but spreads wide, not deep. For what its worth, it is my recollection that superficial BCC is easier to treat with topicals for that reason. For example, if you read the literature, all the early tests of the Peplin petty spurge gel were done on superficial BCC, not on nodular or ulcerative. I think petty spurge is reputed to be effective on superficial because there is less requirement for it to be absorbed so deep into the skin as with other forms of BCC. I would google and research it specifically as "superficial basal cell," because it's distinctly different from more common types of BCC.
I can't tell from the camera angle how tall your PS plants are, Juls. But they look healthy and juicy and, consider that they probably aren't going to get much higher than 12 inches anyway before their life cycle times out. My crop is already dead stalks in this heat. |
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BigD
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Posted - 08/10/2011 : 23:19:15
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Radium weed/Milkweed mentioned on the news in Australia today. A 2 minute piece giving some background on how it has been used as a treatment for years by ppl in the know and then a cut away to a lab in QLD that is continuing with research (getting correct dosage and length of treatment). Quote from the intervewee was "expect the topical cream to be available to the market early next year". Hopefully good news for those that are unable to grow the plant locally.
A note to those that are attempting to grow from seed, I did the same thing myself last year. This year now that I had a good idea on what the plant looked like in the flesh, not just pictures on the net, I had a closer look around where I live. To my surprise the plant is everywhere, prefers slightly shaded conditions, loose soil and loves cleared earth. I live on the coast in Western Australia. |
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Just Turned 50
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Posted - 08/11/2011 : 11:12:05
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| That sounds almost too good to be true. I'm so hopeful. I just ordered the seeds a few days ago. This could be wonderful for all of us. |
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TIsmalltown
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Posted - 08/13/2011 : 22:16:19
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Hi all, I am a rank newbie to PS compared to all of you, although I have done a lot of reading through this forum over past weeks -- what a powerful resource. I've been applying PS to a BCC on my lower leg, and found through trial and error that I really have to apply this stuff strongly to that area to get it to work; also the BCC ended up being much larger than I thought but that's a familiar story.
Anyhow, I somehow missed the fact that PS responds much, much differently on the face, and (being a hopeless experimenter) decided to apply it to my nose, since I've burned the skin there so many times ... just to see if it found something. Well, I'm getting quite a reaction (ouch!), with my entire nose now resembling a puffy tomato.
So my question is, should I take this as evidence that PS found some things it didn't like on my nose, or is this simply how it reacts there? I feel like I understand the process on my leg pretty well, but the face seems to be a whole different animal.
Look forward to your thoughts! |
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marsha
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Posted - 08/14/2011 : 10:26:32
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| waverider, I really think your right on about the differnt types of bc,s and degreas of dephth. |
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marsha
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Posted - 08/14/2011 : 10:29:26
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| waverider, I really think you are "right on" about the differnt types of bc,s and degreas of depth. |
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Alexis Fecteau
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Posted - 08/14/2011 : 18:00:45
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I hope you don't have the pleasure of exploring the infrequent side effects that are found in the clinical trials that some people experience! It works magic in most people, but I would definitely use very little in sensitive areas if the reactions are so severe. I think that if the area recovers rapidly after application is stopped, you should be ok.
That is what happened with mine when I overdid it on a bcc, used so much that the healthy skin surrounding started peeling, but it recovered miraculously fast once the applications stopped.
It is quite powerful medicine, don't underestimate it.
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BigD
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Posted - 08/15/2011 : 00:08:11
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Originally posted by TIsmalltown
In my experience putting the sap onto any area of the face, especially the nose, upper cheeks and forehead has led to redness, scabbing and peeling. Of course if you have already experienced skin cancer there then your initial thought is there must be something there to cause it to react. That may be the case but the sap has a highly corrosive nature as well so the more delicate skin of the face is probably going to react anyway. Something like a strong chemical peel which contributes to the improved appearance of the skin once treatment is finished. As I've posted before I tend to do a whole area instead of isolated spots and have noted that the nose, upper cheeks and forehead will always react and peel. |
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TIsmalltown
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Posted - 08/18/2011 : 20:06:07
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| Thank you Big D, I wondered if it was something like that, I guess there's no way to tell for sure if it "found something" or not, but you can bet I will be more deliberate in the future before applying it to the face. |
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Just Turned 50
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Posted - 08/19/2011 : 00:20:47
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| I just got my seeds in the mail today. I'm so excited to try this! |
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Jack Riggs
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Posted - 08/24/2011 : 17:41:20
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| I am wondering if anyone has tried Perrins Cream Complete for their BCC. I've been using it for about two weeks now and it seems to curtail the size somewhat. I've ordered the Petty Surge seeds and got them today in mail and have sowed the seeds. I've been reading from all the post's about the PS treatment and am anxious to try this plant but in the meantime I'm using the Perrins cream. Has any body had luck with this cream. Jack |
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Overthere
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Posted - 08/25/2011 : 10:26:12
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I'm in eastern Nebraska near Omaha.
I would (desperately) like to purchase a Petty Spurge plant for immediate use.
My seeds just arrived from Australia, but I have an immediate need. I figure the plants are 2-3 months until mature...
If you have an extra plant that's healthy and producing sap now, please let me know. You can email me by clicking on my user name (at left) and sending me an email.
Thanks |
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Irene
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Posted - 08/26/2011 : 13:50:52
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You can "pinch back" your young plants when they have about 6 leaves - that will give you a tiny drop of sap from each plant.
Should not take more than about 4 weeks to get to that stage.
Link to review "pinching back": http://www.gardeningknowhow.com/gardening-how-to/pinching-plant.htm
If you want to come visit Burlington, Ontario, Canada, I can sell you a nice healthy plant! LOL
Irene
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Originally posted by Overthere
I'm in eastern Nebraska near Omaha.
I would (desperately) like to PURCHASE a Petty Spurge plant for immediate use.
My seeds just arrived from Australia, but I have an immediate need. I figure the plants are 2-3 months until mature...
If you have an extra plant that's healthy and producing sap now, please let me know. You can email me by clicking on my user name (at left) and sending me an email.
Thanks
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Alexis Fecteau
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Posted - 08/26/2011 : 14:13:08
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Hi Overthere:
I may have a healthy plant in my garden, I have several that grew wild this year, and a few in a pot. If you can tell me how to send a live plant I might be able to help.
I'll check on them since I just returned from a long trip - and will see if they're still viable and producing sap.
Alexis Fecteau
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Alexis Fecteau
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Posted - 08/27/2011 : 01:51:47
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Hi, I'll repost my email here to make sure you get it:
I germinated the plants within 3 days in moist soil in those little 2" peat planters and put 3 seeds in each of 10 peat starters. 20+ plants came up.
Once they're about 2" tall just take the net off the peat starter and put in the good soil. If it's warm out I recommend letting them live outside, the dew at night makes them grow like gangbusters, on the other hand, a cooler place outside would be good if possible, definitely in the shade, maybe a little sun.
No insights into growing it in winter, other than I suspect it will grow slower based on my indoor/outdoor growing experiences, however, if you mist them a couple times of day.
Alexis
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BBirdz
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Posted - 08/28/2011 : 01:38:23
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Hi All-
After waiting for my little plants to grow and a window of down time I've finally begun my first ever petty spurge treatment of a 1/8" lesion on my upper lip- probably BCC, not biopsied but I've had enough of these to be 95% sure it's what I'm dealing with. I'm documenting with photos and notes and will post at the end in the hope that it will be helpful to other first timers just as so many of the posts here have been for me. I am hugely grateful for the brave pioneering work and sharing done here.
Here's a question for some of you veterans: I have been following SoFl's treatment that he used and I'm nearing the end of Day 4. After the first day when I saw it wasn't going to eat my lip off :-) I started using the "turbo" approach with the leaf and bandaid and have not left the lesion uncovered since. Towards the end of the third day it looked like a clean pit had formed, however the next morning it was all filled in again with soft looking tissue- not a scab. I tried to gently clean it out with peroxide & warm water but it seemed pretty solid and I didn't want to scrub too hard on it in case it was new healed tissue forming. I did a fourth application over this and covered again. This time it REALLY stung and burned for the first time. So my question is how hard do you scrub on these things and how do you know if it's healing over or if I still need to go in and clean it out to get to the bottom? Does the stinging mean there is still some cancer in there? It was virtually painless up until now.
Also I see from most people here that you either allow the wound to be left open and scab from the get go or you remove scabs daily as you go but either way you eventually uncover and let it scab over once the cancer is eaten away. I've read that recent studies show a wound will heal 40% faster if left covered vs exposing it to air and allowing a scab to form. And supposedly it will have less scaring this way. Any thoughts or experience on this? Maybe this kind of treatment wound is different. I noticed that in the clinical trials mentioned above that they did not cover the lesions at any phase of the treatment. Thanks so much for any input you might have! |
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SRM
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Posted - 08/30/2011 : 23:53:45
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A wild shot here. I live in Perth WA does anyone know of the plants growing in this area?
Hi! Just found this forum and have been busy reading up in the last few hours. Did you manage to find where to get this in Perth? Sounds very promising. I too am loathe to go the Efudix route just yet. |
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BigD
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 19:49:53
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Hello SRM, Yes I found the plant, literally all over the place. I live down in Rockingham and I cant walk 50M without spotting the plant growing in either someones garden or along fence lines and footpaths. Best tip I can give is the area needs to be reasonably shaded, not full sun. At the end of this month I would say it will be coming to the end of the growing cycle for this year so you would need to get out now and find some. Take a walk around your neigborhood and check the fencelines and garden beds and you will probably find some.
P.S. Far superior to Efudix as a treatment
Hi! Just found this forum and have been busy reading up in the last few hours. Did you manage to find where to get this in Perth? Sounds very promising. I too am loathe to go the Efudix route just yet.
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SRM
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Posted - 09/03/2011 : 22:48:24
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Hi BigD...Thanks very much. Seems I may actually have some growing in my yard!(Don Burke I ain't).
Yes, I'm going to give this a try. Just need to verify it is the correct plant and get the length and duration of dosage and where to apply it sorted. Seems be some varying ways of using this stuff. I'm slightly cautious about using it, though the very encouraging reports of its effectiveness has me committed to it I think. Thanks again. |
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bright1
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Posted - 11/05/2011 : 08:51:17
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| Hi I found this site a few months ago when I was diagnosed with a bcc on my cheek just under my eye close to the nose. I have been treating the spot with petty spurge on and off (depending on work commitments) since then and although it has shrunk considerably, I believe the underlying problem is still there. I have just discovered a couple small white 'dots' like whiteheads on the upper rim of my eye away the cancer site. I have seen these actually in the treatment area when ps was applied but not spontaneously springing up away from the site. Does anyone have any ideas about this? |
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anivoc
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Posted - 11/05/2011 : 14:15:40
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Originally posted by bright1
I have just discovered a couple small white 'dots' like whiteheads on the upper rim of my eye away the cancer site. I have seen these actually in the treatment area when ps was applied but not spontaneously springing up away from the site. Does anyone have any ideas about this?
Definitely has occurred when I treated with Bloodroot paste 1/4 to 1/2" away from the actual application...Don't really know...maybe root ends from the original? All I can tell you is they went away and were never a real problem later. Definitely connected somehow to the application nearby..maybe just puss from the original site finding its way out via pores in the skin...not sure |
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bright1
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Posted - 11/06/2011 : 05:52:17
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| Thanks anivoc for your kind response. I googled white dots on eye lid and it said something about calcium depositis following conjuctivitis which I have had recently so maybe they are connected to bcc or maybe not. I guess I will have to wait and see. As this cancer is so close to my eye, I am finding the whole experience very unnerving. I have treated it five times now (3/4 days each time)since mid-July and it is still quite active as I can tell from the area of redness and blistering each time I apply ps. I keep re-reading the entries in this topic to give myself some comfort and hope that eventually it will be destroyed totally but negativity is setting in. I am seeing the consultant again at the end of January and am tempted to ask her to sharpen her scalpel.Maybe I am just going through a bit of a low not helped by the fact that everyone in my life thinks I am mad for taking this approach.. BTW where has everyone gone on this topic; it seems I joined just as everyone else was moving on. I could do with the company right now. |
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thanks01
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Posted - 11/06/2011 : 15:08:00
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I have been re-visiting the site recently, spurred on by a friend who had to have a type of medical treatment all over his face. I just want to let Bright1 know that people are often here reading but not necessarily posting.
Actually I have tried Petty Spurge for the FIRST time recently on a small, un-diagnosed spot, and plan to write up the experience, which I would term "positive" in outcome.
For various reasons I am not yet ready to produce the write-up, but yes, this is a favorite website of mine and the Petty Spurge threads are the ones that I always check in on, since so far to me this seems to be one of the most convincing treatments.
I might also note for Bright1 that the location of my original (and diagnosed) BCC was in almost the exact same location as the one Bright1 describes. Even now, so close to the eye, I might not dare to use Petty Spurge there, so it would be interesting to have Bright1 post some more details on experiences and success with treatment.
At that time (nearly 3 years ago)I chose the medical alternative, and it might be worth noting that this included Mohs surgery (expensive) and cosmetic repair by a plastic surgeon (expensive). Luckily we were covered by some insurance plans, but for those who aren't, this is why the forum and its explorations are so important. |
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BigD
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Posted - 11/06/2011 : 18:48:34
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Hello Bright1, having had plenty of experience with using PS on my face plus near the eyes I would like to comment on your statement saying "˙ou are still seeing a reaction", Petty Spurge has a caustic side to its activity and in my experience if applying the sap to the delicate skin of the face, you will always get a reaction even if there is no cancer there. If you have treated for 3-4 days the PS will have done its job. You need to let the site heal and after a few weeks you should be able to judge whether the cancer has gone. In my experience it will have.
Regards BigD
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Originally posted by bright1
Thanks anivoc for your kind response. I googled white dots on eye lid and it said something about calcium depositis following conjuctivitis which I have had recently so maybe they are connected to bcc or maybe not. I guess I will have to wait and see. As this cancer is so close to my eye, I am finding the whole experience very unnerving. I have treated it five times now (3/4 days each time)since mid-July and it is still quite active as I can tell from the area of redness and blistering each time I apply ps. I keep re-reading the
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waverider
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Posted - 11/06/2011 : 22:24:15
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| I want to strongly concur with BigD. I guess it's the natural human impulse to want to knock it out in one concentrated blitz, but I feel that continued use of PS beyond 5 days is probably unnecessary and may be counter-productive. I found that the caustic side effect of PS continues to keep the area in an "open wound" state and not healing as long as you use it. This may be misinterpreted as evidence that there is still BCC present when, in fact, it is long gone. The only way you can find out for sure, however, is to discontinue treatment, allow the area to heal and then see what you've got. If it turns out (as was my experience) that there are still some small hot spots remaining, it is a simple matter to just hit them again with PS. It works just as well the second time around. After it heals you can also use orange oil to test for a sting response which is a pretty accurate indicator of BCC. I think a consensus is developing that "more" is not necessarily "better" with petty spurge. |
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bright1
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Posted - 11/07/2011 : 08:02:16
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| Hi and thanks BigD and Waverider for your advice. I have treated this bcc five time in total since mid-July, each time for between 3 and 5 days only, letting it heal completely in between. Each time the area healed beautifully but still with a little bit of the original lump left, getting smaller each time. I am now questioning whether it would have been better to have treated continuously in the first place and got it over with in one go as I feel it has 'gronw back' each time I stopped treating. I will know for sure in January when I will have a punch biopsy done on the site to see what's happening (my consultant knows what I have been doing). I am a little nervous however because all my plants have now set seed and are dying off so I will be without my medicine chest until they grow back in spring. I did notice this time that there was one 'thread' of inflammation going right up into my eye this time which is what has freaked me out. But yes I agree that the reaction could be just the caustic effect of the PS sap and I am worrying (and treating) unnecessarily. Has anyone got rid of a 1yr old bcc completely as proven by biopsy and if so what was the exact treatment protocol? I so appreciate the replies, makes me feel less crazy. |
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bright1
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Posted - 11/07/2011 : 09:22:14
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| oh and thanks to Thanks1 as well...I missed your post earlier as I was reading from bottom up and didn't quite get that far. I'd be happy to document my experiences treating my BCC if it would be of any help. In retrospect I wonder whether if I had done it continuously for a much longer time, I would have had better results. But it's all experimentation. Thankfully I only have this one lesion; if I had lots I would be very anxious by now. |
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Quercus
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Posted - 11/09/2011 : 18:47:31
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Wow! New to forum. Read thru almost all the posts on PS and it sure looks promising. After spending an entire lifetime in the SoCal sun I have more then just a few spots. Removed several with Skin Answer, but need something a bit stronger for the spots on my arms. I am currently going to try the eggplant remedy on my face, but would like to obtain some PS for my arms and back. Does anyone here in the states have some seeds available or knows of a location in San Bernardino area of Calif where I might find it growing wild?
Thanks Q |
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radiologist
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Posted - 11/11/2011 : 04:42:14
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| Thanks all of you.Previously I am not aware that this remedy treatments for skin cancer now i know this from you people thanks for sharing. |
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waverider
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Posted - 11/11/2011 : 10:03:15
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Originally posted by Quercus
Does anyone here in the states have some seeds available or knows of a location in San Bernardino area of Calif where I might find it growing wild?
You're probably better off just getting it from the Australian source
http://www.beautanicals.com.au/Petty%20spurge.html
Only takes about 10 days to get it to the US. Then about 6 weeks to get a plant to grow large enough to use. If you think you'll need it next year, now's the time to get seeds and plant. PS is a winter annual. Though it's apparently possible to get it to grow in summer under controlled conditions, mine always drop dead by June or July. I am in CA (LA) and have seen it randomly but never while I was looking for it. Usually in sheltered spots that are sort of damp. You will never find it growing wild in CA later than June or July. Last year I was doing some work at a house up in the hills during the winter rainy season. The backyard was untended for years and weedy, sheltered and soggy. Only got about 3 hours of sun a day. There was a small forest of PS growing there, covering half the yard. That's the kind of environment it likes. |
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Quercus
10 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2011 : 11:45:09
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| Thanks I will just order some if I can't find any growing near the mountains. |
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Sundazed
0 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2011 : 16:01:42
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| I have just been diagnosed with a few BCC lesions. Has anyone from south Florida planted PS with success? |
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lonewolf1218
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Posted - 11/23/2011 : 23:39:10
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| I finally got my plants to grow after many attemps.My question is when I put the sap on do I cover with a bandaid?And how many treatments should I do? |
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chicagohit
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Posted - 12/01/2011 : 13:57:49
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Just joined. After 20+ MOHS surgeries I just can't go through any more. I was given imiquimod as the first non-surgical treatment I even heard of. It worked great on a spot on my back that was not nodule. I snuck it in for one on my forehead and it worked great.
Got another spot on my back and one next to my nose. I'm running out of imiquimod and it is really expensive. I just ordered my PS seeds. If nothing else I am very glad to be actively treating, not just passively getting a biopsy and then MOHS.
There is also a Facebook PS page. It has just a few members right now.
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Thomas Haugen
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Petty Spurge Herb sap for skin cancers
